I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.
I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.
Did you try searching (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=13491.msg576039#msg576039) before posting? :roll:
You're attacking this from the wrong angle.
I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.
[sarcasm] Yeah it would be nice to have freedom, except we've got to teach those Muslims a lesson. [/sarcasm]
Fuck you.
I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.
[sarcasm] Yeah it would be nice to have freedom, except we've got to teach those Muslims a lesson. [/sarcasm]
Fuck you.
Yeah. That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves. Screw those people we don't like."
If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
Sorry, that's not how it works. People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't. And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group. I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
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If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
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If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
The way I see it Europe is already conquered by people who generally promote violence.
BTW
Honer Killings: lies, damn lies, and statistics. (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-17122-SF-Muslim-Examiner~y2009m10d23-Honor-Killings-lies-damn-lies-and-statistics)
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
Not on my property :P
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
Not on my property :P
Hey half wit! This isn't about building on your property! I want to know if you "have the balls" to point a gun at me and force me not to build on my property.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
Sorry, that's not how it works. People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't. And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group. I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
Sorry, that's not how it works. People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't. And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group. I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
Who said anything about supporting that group? You're not supporting anybody in particular by refusing to authorize the government to forcefully dictate what they may do with their bodies and property if they're not harming anyone. You're supporting freedom in general. That freedom includes advocacy of ideas you don't like.
Amnesty International and others want to make this about freedom of religion. That’s a red herring in my opinion. This is about property rights.
Hey, have your minaret. You annoy me with the fucking loudspeaker on top for the call to prayer though. Same thing with Catholic church bells. Don't bother me with your religious noise.I feel the same way about the internal combustion engine.
You're attacking this from the wrong angle.
Care to elaborate?
Yeah. That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves. Screw those people we don't like."
If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all.
Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
Don't call yourself a Muslim then. It has the same effect as saying you're an Anarchist.
Yeah. That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves. Screw those people we don't like."
If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all.
yeah, those swiss are a raging pack of far-right, republicans.....
fuckers are THE most liberal, leftists on the planet
[...] how are the property rights doin in pickafuckingislamic country? |
Yeah. That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves. Screw those people we don't like."
If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all.
yeah, those swiss are a raging pack of far-right, republicans.....
fuckers are THE most liberal, leftists on the planet
I wasn't talking about the Swiss.
Strongest in the world (http://www.forbes.com/global/2009/0413/034-tax-misery-reform-index.html), actually.
You're comparing apples to mangosteins here. Western societies are based on the religion of government statism, not Christianity. Islamic societies are based on Islam as their primary social contract and the source of all laws and rights. Building a Catholic Church is an Islamic country is equivalent to not openly not paying taxes (or marrying 14-year-old quadruplets) in a statist one.
You're comparing apples to mangosteins here. Western societies are based on the religion of government statism, not Christianity. Islamic societies are based on Islam as their primary social contract and the source of all laws and rights. Building a Catholic Church is an Islamic country is equivalent to not openly not paying taxes (or marrying 14-year-old quadruplets) in a statist one.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
Sorry, that's not how it works. People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't. And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group. I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
Sorry, that's not how it works. People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't. And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group. I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
Unfortunately, there is NO SUCH THING as "that group". Only individuals exist, can act, and can be held responsible for their actions.
No member of any group has the power to create obligations upon another member without the knowledge and consent of the other. If a bunch of people calling themselves Christians decide to go out and kill gay people, that does not make me responsible for their murders, nor does it give anyone the just power to forbid the construction of steeples, except on their own property.
No member of any group has the power to create obligations upon another member without the knowledge and consent of the other. If a bunch of people calling themselves Christians decide to go out and kill gay people, that does not make me responsible for their murders, nor does it give anyone the just power to forbid the construction of steeples, except on their own property.
how bout all those imams & muslim fanatics that trick/brainwash/connive young muslim men & women to strap bombs to themselves & turn themselves into a grease spot???!!
Then is it not proper to wonder if Muslims seeking Islamic society may be better suited |
in settling in an Islamic society instead of bending incompatible societies to suit them?
Human societies experience perpetual change, with good ideas expanding and bad ideas shrinking and withering away.
I refuse to advocate the freedom of groups which are actively against my freedom.That's a recipe for tyranny. Any group following your principle could not possibly advocate your freedom, since you clearly don't advocate theirs. If we all followed your example there'd be no freedom advocate anywhere.
someone posting on your link hit it spot-on:And Jasons response was spot-on:
...''The Swiss did not ban mosques, they banned minarets. USA and other countries should follow suit. When Saudi Arabia and the other twenty-odd Islamic countries permit church bell towers, or even carrying a Bible, then the issue of building minarets can be revisited. ''......
Unfortunately, there is NO SUCH THING as "that group". Only individuals exist, can act, and can be held responsible for their actions.
in settling in an Islamic society instead of bending incompatible societies to suit them?
That's a very statist way of looking at geopolitics. Human societies experience perpetual change, with good ideas expanding and bad ideas shrinking and withering away. This is how small Saxons tribes managed to expand from a forested slice of northern Germany to Britain, North America, Australia, and beyond. And now, this is how Islam is managing to expand, filling in the economic void created by the West's self-destructive socialist and feminist mistakes.
And I can't think of any major examples of any Islamic minority trying to "bend" society, only act in self-defence. (Taking into account that they consider insulting the foundations of their social contract to be a mind-blowing insult, far more than America's right-wing socialists frown on pot or flag-burning, and far more than America's left-wing socialists frown on guns or the n-word.) I guess the closest example to them trying to "bend" society would be the car burnings in France, but that was more of a socialist / racist riot than a Muslim one.
Try building a synagoge in Tehran.
Yeah, try building a new one.Try building a synagoge in Tehran.
There are like 4 there.
Alex, there's no such thing as a common good. [...] |
[...] just as I don't expect M-Theory to ever be proven true. |
fuck 'em & feed 'em beans
fuck 'em & feed 'em beans
The Swiss? Ill be on duty for the former, you could do the latter.
How can you have freedom under religion?
With all this talk on the show as of late about rights...I would contend that the only truly unalienable right is the right to think for yourself. Why voluntarily give this up to some old guy who wears Halloween costumes all year?