The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights

[Rillion]

Daily Show mocks Switzerland about the minaret thing. 

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

That was pretty funny.

"Easy to take a position on neutrality, but difficult to take a position on Hitler?" lmao.

[hellbilly]

Then is it not proper to wonder if Muslims seeking Islamic society may be better suited in settling in an Islamic society instead of bending incompatible societies to suit them?

That's a very statist way of looking at geopolitics.  Human societies experience perpetual change, with good ideas expanding and bad ideas shrinking and withering away.  This is how small Saxons tribes managed to expand from a forested slice of northern Germany to Britain, North America, Australia, and beyond.   And now, this is how Islam is managing to expand, filling in the economic void created by the West's self-destructive socialist and feminist mistakes.

And I can't think of any major examples of any Islamic minority trying to "bend" society, only act in self-defence.  (Taking into account that they consider insulting the foundations of their social contract to be a mind-blowing insult, far more than America's right-wing socialists frown on pot or flag-burning, and far more than America's left-wing socialists frown on guns or the n-word.)  I guess the closest example to them trying to "bend" society would be the car burnings in France, but that was more of a socialist / racist riot than a Muslim one.

Not altogether so.. big gov. is expanding & that's not a good idea. Making welcome a culture based on kooky ideas also isn't a good thing. I think a better path is the West self correcting it's mistakes rather than remaining passive while the kooks get all comfy. TimeLady has already put it all out there & I agree with her.

The bending doesn't have to be strong. Subtle stuff like this architecture drama for example. Seems obvious that the host country isn't partial to the idea. Whatever though.. I've posted all this shit already.

What I don't get about a lot of people here is their ability to collectively refer to cops and politicians as one and the same without having to provide the disclaimer of "except the good ones", yet when people criticize other groups as a whole it becomes an orgy of PCness with all this shit about discrimination, bigotry, etc.

Cops and politicians are known to have a large portion of assholes in their numbers. So does the "muslim community", "ghetto people", "Republican", "Democrat" ..so if it's fair to call out one group it should be fair to call out others, without the need to preemptively defend your position.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

You have to separate functional effectiveness from [the false construct called] "the common good".  Being a highly contagious (but not lethal) virus is good for that virus.  Big government is good for big government - that is the class of people that benefit from it.  A culture "based on kooky ideas" can still have a functional advantage over a more rationalistic culture if the latter forgets to take care of the fundamentals, like to reproduce. 

[Diogenes The Cynic]

Try building a synagoge in Tehran.

There are like 4 there.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Try building a synagoge in Tehran.

There are like 4 there.

Yeah, try building a new one.

[Level 20 Anklebiter]

Alex, there's no such thing as a common good. Thus, I don't want you or others trying to speak for me. I can speak for myself quite clearly. And here's what I have to say, the fact that the Muslims that have become political in Europe and America isn't a cause for concern by itself, but rather a symptom of a human vice: the wish to involve one's self in other's concerns. It doesn't matter if it deals with the Muslim faith as faith in other religions in the past have resulted in similar discrimination and tyranny. All that matters in this case is whether the reaction will make both sides take religion out of politics (or is it vice versa?) or not. If the answer is not, then expect more retaliation both ways as so long as man's wish to find solace in this world in faith becomes the concern of a perfect stranger (a politician or bureaucrat). The only answer to this problem is the decoupling of culture and faith from the political system. But I don't expect this to happen just as I don't expect M-Theory to ever be proven true.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Alex, there's no such thing as a common good.  [...]

Um, I never said there was - I merely referenced it as a false construct.

(SNIP arguments for individual sovereignty and against democracy / theocracy we all already agree on - I hope.)

[...]   just as I don't expect M-Theory to ever be proven true.

How can there be only 11 dimensions when I can see into the 13?

[The Muslim Agorist]

Of the following structures, which ones are banned?



Answers

[AL the Inconspicuous]

The ones that don't preach Romans 13. 

[Riddler]

fuck 'em & feed 'em beans

[Diogenes The Cynic]

fuck 'em & feed 'em beans

The Swiss? Ill be on duty for the former, you could do the latter.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Mmmmmm... beans...

[Riddler]

fuck 'em & feed 'em beans

The Swiss? Ill be on duty for the former, you could do the latter.

no, i like swiss chocolate & their (used-to-be) secret banks w/ stolen jew money

[Willbert]

How can you have freedom under religion?

With all this talk on the show as of late about rights...I would contend that the only truly unalienable right is the right to think for yourself. Why voluntarily give this up to some old guy who wears Halloween costumes all year?