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The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« on: December 01, 2009, 09:51:16 PM »

"If you make these laws to target Muslims today, you don't know who it's going to be used against tomorrow."
~Sheikh Alauddin El-Bakri - CAIR SV 7th Annual Banquet

On November 29th a referendum banning new minarets passed with 57% of the vote. The campaign included fear mongering posters, repeated vandalism to Geneva's largest mosque, and a vehicle with a loudspeaker mocking the call the prayer.

Amnesty International and others want to make this about freedom of religion. Thatís a red herring in my opinion. This is about property rights. A person has the natural right to build any structure they wish on their own private property. Those who want to utilize the coercive power of the State against Muslims must take heed that the legal precedents they set can and will be used against others in the future. Probably themselves. The Swiss people, in their bigotry, have weakened their own right to private property.

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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 10:01:35 PM »

I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 10:24:53 PM »

Did you try searching before posting?  :roll:

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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 01:37:58 AM »

You're attacking this from the wrong angle.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 08:18:20 AM »

I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.

[sarcasm] Yeah it would be nice to have freedom, except we've got to teach those Muslims a lesson. [/sarcasm]

Fuck you.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 09:44:11 AM »

I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.

Balls? Meaning what, courage? Ha! A bunch of people signed a piece of paper giving a bunch of other people permission to tell another group of people how to decorate their paint factory at gunpoint...

Did you try searching before posting?  :roll:

Yeah, I searched "Switzerland" and saw "Hoplophobes" and didn't piece it together. I move it there.

You're attacking this from the wrong angle.

Care to elaborate?
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 11:21:47 AM »

I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.

[sarcasm] Yeah it would be nice to have freedom, except we've got to teach those Muslims a lesson. [/sarcasm]

Fuck you.

Yeah.  That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves.  Screw those people we don't like." 

If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all. 
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2009, 11:26:25 AM »

I think it's a good idea finally someone in Europe has some balls to stand up to the Muslims.

[sarcasm] Yeah it would be nice to have freedom, except we've got to teach those Muslims a lesson. [/sarcasm]

Fuck you.

Yeah.  That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves.  Screw those people we don't like." 

If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all. 

I support freedom for those who support freedom. I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2009, 11:29:38 AM »

Hey, have your minaret. You annoy me with the fucking loudspeaker on top for the call to prayer though. Same thing with Catholic church bells. Don't bother me with your religious noise.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 11:52:45 AM »

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.

Sorry, that's not how it works.  People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't.   And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group.  I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 12:16:39 PM »

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.

Sorry, that's not how it works.  People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't.   And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group.  I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.

If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 12:42:28 PM »

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
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If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

The way I see it Europe is already conquered by people who generally promote violence.

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Honer Killings: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2009, 12:54:11 PM »

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.
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If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

The way I see it Europe is already conquered by people who generally promote violence.

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Honer Killings: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Yes, we all know how violent the Dutch are. Theo van Gogh was a bloodthirsty maniac.

Also, that link doesn't address at all the honor killings that do go on in Muslim countries.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Locations

This is interesting too. Why does it only seem to be Muslims who usually do this? (Not sure if the Hindu practice of sati still goes on, or if that counts here.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Usage_today

This is related as well; I find it very interesting that stoning today only usually takes place in Muslim countries.

And finally

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Re: The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2009, 01:01:34 PM »

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

Not on my property :P
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