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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: todd on September 17, 2009, 02:18:35 PM
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listening to the flu show was quite painful. plus, all the pseudoscience misinformation that called in made me yell at my ipod.
1. flu is a virus that mutates very fast- that is why you should get a flu shot every year; it is generally a new strain every year
2. the flu shot is a combo of the 3 most likely forms of flu to infect people every year
3. the swine flu shot will be the same thing with the h1n1 form in it (it is NOT a new vaccine)
4. some flu shots contain thimerosol- if you are concerned, get a thimerosol free one- lying on the label is fraud and would cause a drug company to go bankrupt- i have no idea where that lady got her info, but seems nuts to me
5. a pandemic just means that it infects a large number of people, doesn't have to be deadly
6. swine flu is pretty miserable for about a week- yes, very low mortality rate
7. the total number of people with nerve damage from the first swine flu vaccine was about 500- the total number of deaths from swine flu thus far is about 500
8. the influenza virus can cause guillain-barre syndrome (paralysis that is usually temporary) and does so far more often than the vaccine
9. an allergy happens from a hyper-stimulated immune system, not a depressed one; in order for vaccines to work you must have a working immune system
10. crazy people make for entertaining radio callers
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
Either you don't recognize the symptoms, or you live in a bubble.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
Either you don't recognize the symptoms, or you live in a bubble.
Nope I don't live in a bubble. I've had the common cold. Cough, sneezing, but nothing substantial. My parents tried to have me catch the chicken pox by playin with other kids but never caught that either. I actually don't remember the last time I got sick.
It's kinda weird now that I think about it. My mom got sick like every month and I mean really sick. She even caught pneumonia 3 times.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
Either you don't recognize the symptoms, or you live in a bubble.
Nope I don't live in a bubble. I've had the common cold. Cough, sneezing, but nothing substantial. My parents tried to have me catch the chicken pox by playin with other kids but never caught that either. I actually don't remember the last time I got sick.
It's kinda weird now that I think about it. My mom got sick like every month and I mean really sick. She even caught pneumonia 3 times.
Hello Hideaki, I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I too am immune to illness.
Where are you located?
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I have only had the flu once and that was last year. I have only had one flu vaccine and that was back in 1982 as part of visa requirements to travel to Asia at the time. I had virtually every vaccine to get that damn visa. I read the lit. at the time about side effects and was very grateful I didn't have any adverse reactions. I rolled the dice but then again I was an adult and female. Women seem to be better equipped to eliminate toxins. I believe I only had three vaccines in infancy. I received four more when I was seven years old. Nothing like the massive amounts of vaccines they push off on kids today.
I prefer to not get an injection of rotten eggs in the hopes that it will somehow protect me from the latest flu virus mutation. Didn't the flu virus mutate so fast last year that the vaccines where virtually useless?
"The CDC reports this year's flu shot may not protect against a strain of influenza that's hitting the U.S." March 2008 AP.
Actually it was two of the three strains that didn't match the anticipated flu viruses so the headline was misleading, cause it made it sound like only one strain was wrong. Maybe the better headline should have been, "2008 Flu Vaccine only 1/3 as Effective. But Not Available at 1/3 the Price".
If for some unknown reason I should risk the vaccine I will certainly demand the mercury free one and also demand the empty box and vile. I suppose I can seal the package and have the doctor provider sign an affidavit that the seal was affixed in his presences. Then ship it off to Lab Cor for testing immediately just in case there is an adverse reaction. Even if I did all that and had proof positive I doubt first off I could get a lawyer to sue for fraud and two have the finances to successfully sue for fraud.
(Opps, correction I did have the flu vaccine while I was pregnant because I was pressure to do so by my obgyn.)
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I don't see the point in getting vaccinated for last year's flu. I have had the flu once in my life and get the common cold ~2-3 times a year.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
Either you don't recognize the symptoms, or you live in a bubble.
Nope I don't live in a bubble. I've had the common cold. Cough, sneezing, but nothing substantial. My parents tried to have me catch the chicken pox by playin with other kids but never caught that either. I actually don't remember the last time I got sick.
It's kinda weird now that I think about it. My mom got sick like every month and I mean really sick. She even caught pneumonia 3 times.
Hello Hideaki, I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I too am immune to illness.
Where are you located?
I live in stockton ca. I'm not saying I'm immune to illnesses. I just never really got sick. I grew up with alchy parents who cared very little of my upbringing. I played in dirt been around people who were sick and was probably just average with hygiene as any other kid. I've always thought it was weird that I never cought anything from my mom except one thing. This is gross but I got pink eye. I figured if I had her genes I should be getting sick all the time also.
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Hello Hideaki, I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I too am immune to illness.
Where are you located?
I live in stockton ca....
You know that you just gave away your position, right? Well, I suppose it was inevitable....
... there can be only one.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
This.
I'm sure its important for old people though.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
This.
I'm sure its important for old people though.
You should not make the mistake of thinking you are impervious to the flu.
The flu will fuck you up.
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
This.
I'm sure its important for old people though.
You should not make the mistake of thinking you are impervious to the flu.
The flu will fuck you up.
never thought I was impervious to the flu but never went out of my way for a flu shot. I don't think i'm impervious to cancer either but not goin out of my way for any cancer shots if they had em either. although maybe if i started smoking again...
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I don't think it's very common for people to get the flu. I've never had the flu and I only had the flu shot once because I was at Army Basic Training. I usually get a cold 4-7 times a year and got sick much more often as a kid from 8-13 year old.
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Hello Hideaki, I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I too am immune to illness.
Where are you located?
I live in stockton ca....
You know that you just gave away your position, right? Well, I suppose it was inevitable....
... there can be only one.
anyone can bring it. I won't back down I come from the hood. If you know anything about stockton it's one of the top ten worst CITIES in the US as far as crime and murder is concerned.
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I've never had the flu, and don't remember getting any flu shots. But if a clinic were to offer a free one I'd take it (except I dont like shots, so in reality I'd balk most likely).
When I get much older I definitely plan on getting the flu shot, death kinda sucks.
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If I can no longer get it up cuz of age or just cant muster the strength to perform I'm good to go. Bring death and let it end.
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All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.
What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.
http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html
Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist. http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Good luck
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All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.
What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.
http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html
Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist. http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
holy crap! so every time there is a study done on organisms in a petri dish, it is completely made up? all those pictures of viruses from electron microscopes- fakes! we need to go back to the glorious days of blood-letting, phrenology, and extrication of the evil humors. just think yourself well and the tb/hiv/flu/cancer/etc will just go away.... wow. you need to call the show.
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Actually have to agree with Todd on this one. Airborne viruses are outside of the body. People have been catching colds and other viruses for centuries way before modern science could possible manipulate viruses to create biological weapons. There isn't even a smoking gun document on the one blood borne virus which some think might have started out as a biological weapon that being HIV.
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Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.
Perhaps Mark was never as sick as when he had the flu shot. But, that's mild compared to getting the full-blown flu. I guarantee he couldn't say that if he caught the actual disease.
So, I asked my doc what the big deal is with the swine flu. He said that the trouble is that is a rapidly changing sort. It can easily mutate into a much more virulent, 1918-style version. THAT is what the medical community is so concerned about.
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Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.
Perhaps Mark was never as sick as when he had the flu shot. But, that's mild compared to getting the full-blown flu. I guarantee he couldn't say that if he caught the actual disease.
Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that? You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and yet you say it with authority and conviction. People may not know all of the science; but they know what they hear, what they experience and when someone is talking out their ass. You are talking out of your ass and it hurts your case immeasurably.
I can tell you that what had cemented me in place on my stand on vaccines for so long, is jackasses in the medical field that I spoke to about this issue talking like you just did here. Acting like I am a flaming idiot when I know what I experienced or not having an explanation at all for me. Imagine for a moment that someone did that to you. Think about how much weight you would give their opinion when it clearly contradicts your reality.
You can be right in your on mind or you can do some good. The choice is up to you.
BTW: my temperature after the first flu shot got up to 102.7. I was ~24 years old, and when I got out of bed I could only crawl to get water.
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Mark you should know by now. You don't know what's good for you thats why we have regulations and government. Don't make "us" force you to have a shot again. I mean you catch the swine flu then we gotta quarantine and we don't want that buddy.
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I've had the flu a few times before.
My mother always got the flu after she got the flu shots. That's why neither of us get flu shots...
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Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.
You may be right about this, most of us can only go by what the doctor tells us. You know, you go to a doctor, expecting that he has some idea of what is going on, but really they are just guessing based upon symptoms. I mean, this isn't Star Trek where they wave an analyzer over you and detect your exact condition and produce a shot to fight it. The doctor asks questions, listens to answers, says "you have the flu." Then he tells you to get plenty of rest and fluids. My "flu" might be something else, but feels distinct from what I call a "cold" and what I call "food poisoning". I guess we can blame doctors for just guessing.
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Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.
Just to add too there are different strands of the flu and your immune system isn't always at the top of it's game plus not everyone is different. I'm pretty sure the severity can go from bad to worse ranging from each person and each flu.
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All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.
What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.
http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html
Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist. http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Good luck
Yeah I know, there's no such thing as FIV (feline immunodefiency virus), tobacco mosaic virus, etc.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Yes, but your body will still attack the dead flu. So you may get a fever and feel shitty.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Or had an allergic reaction to the flu shot itself. This is far more common with the flu vaccines than childhood vaccines.
When you discount people's experience they cease to listen to you. You might be right, but it doesn't matter if you don't win hearts and minds. Get off the Polo Pony and act like you care about people and you will get alot farther with your message.
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But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
How do they know it is dead? Is it dead in the sense that this particular strain has had its day already and the vast majority of peoples have developed an immune response to it?
What is the difference between an illness and a disease? I noticed your referred to the flu as a disease. From my experience with people labeling common human quirks as diseases, like drinking or shopping to much, that my scepticism alarm goes off when ever some one refers to something as a disease that is not normally referred to as such.
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But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
How do they know it is dead?
Reminds me of why my mother-in-law wouldn't heat coffee in a microwave. "How do I know all the microwaves are really out of it?"
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But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
How do they know it is dead?
Reminds me of why my mother-in-law wouldn't heat coffee in a microwave. "How do I know all the microwaves are really out of it?"
What? Its a valid question. :)
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that is why you should get a flu shot every year
I don't see why I've never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.
Either you don't recognize the symptoms, or you live in a bubble.
or they've never had the flu, or its been so completely insignificant that they didn't even notice. The flu is a joke. Wipe your boogies and get over it. I've had the flu, it wasn't that big of a deal.
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But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
How do they know it is dead?
Reminds me of why my mother-in-law wouldn't heat coffee in a microwave. "How do I know all the microwaves are really out of it?"
Ask her to shine a flashlight onto a bananna, then turn the flashlight off. Then ask her if the bananna still has flashlight-light on it.
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holy crap! so every time there is a study done on organisms in a petri dish, it is completely made up? all those pictures of viruses from electron microscopes- fakes! we need to go back to the glorious days of blood-letting, phrenology, and extrication of the evil humors. just think yourself well and the tb/hiv/flu/cancer/etc will just go away.... wow. you need to call the show.
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The pictures they show you of electron microscopes do not prove that the substance shown is what causes damage in the body called "disease" There are various substances floating in the blood, isolating them and saying, "that's the thing responsible for your sickness" is pretty easy, and obviously people believing it. But if you bring that to court infront of a wise judge, I doubt you'll get the case granted. That is no proof of disease. Dr. Stefan Lanka, virologist, microbiologist of germany has devoted much of his life researching the viruses myth, and has concluded that no known viruses actually cause any disease, in fact, they don't exist at all, and all those electron photos you speak of, they are only photos. If I take a picture of someone and say, he's the killer... is the picture of his face all you need to prove he killed someone and send him to jail the person?
If you believe the government, than you can go ahead and believe they say viruses are real. If you don't believe the government, why do you agree with their information on this?
If anyone says that viruses exist outside the body, that is not the same as saying that disease exists outside the body. I don't ever recall seeing cancer and flu walking together in the street, nor flying in the sky, or swimming in the ocean.
As far as "thinking yourself well", that is not what I am advocating, that's silly. But rather, become wise by understanding the truth, which in turn will Prevent you from being affected by deception. There's a difference between being wise enough to not fall among thieves and have your health taken from you, or to ignorantly wish yourself well not knowing how and why you got sick to begin with.
As far as calling the show, I think I'll stick to talking with people who are genuinely interested to learn a Truth which can prevent them from this worst of all deceptions of humanity, disease and death. If you're looking for a laugh, you picked the wrong subject and the wrong person, however, if you would like to carry an intelligent discussion, let me know.
Anyone who is openly willing to discuss this subject further, I can prove what I say, the rest can enjoy their own opinions. My e mail is: curecode@gmail.com [/color]
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As a senior Biochemistry major I'm gonna have to come out here and call you a complete idiot Kvitka.
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As a senior Biochemistry major I'm gonna have to come out here and call you a complete idiot Kvitka.
I guess biochemistry major doesn't mean intelligent speaker nor conclusive scientist who is willing to prove why someone else is wrong. Instead of resorting to childish name calling, why not prove why I am wrong and show everyone by your act what is your education really worth. :D
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
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As a senior Biochemistry major I'm gonna have to come out here and call you a complete idiot Kvitka.
I guess biochemistry major doesn't mean intelligent speaker nor conclusive scientist who is willing to prove why someone else is wrong. Instead of resorting to childish name calling, why not prove why I am wrong and show everyone by your act what is your education really worth. :D
How can I? You already said that electron microscopes are liars and false science. What do I need to do? Break down the quantum mechanics to explain to you how they work? If I can't show you pictures of viruses, and say "these are viruses" then there's not much I can do. I really don't feel like explaining how e- scopes are not lying to you because that would take me about a years worth of education assuming you already understand the basics.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
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Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
Prove it.
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Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
Prove it.
But the evidence is not allowed.
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Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
Prove it.
What you are doing is being contentious Its not argument. For an argument one side presents facts, then the other presents a rebuttal then evidence to the contrary.
I provided well established evidence. Established to the point I don't think its even necessary to provide sources for. Your rebuttal was for me to "prove it" which is whats called a "misplaced burden of proof". What I said was in of itself a series of facts. Now you want more proof on top of the proofs I presented? If anything, its your job to disprove me, which you can't do.
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What you are doing is being contentious Its not argument. For an argument one side presents facts, then the other presents a rebuttal then evidence to the contrary.
I provided well established evidence. Established to the point I don't think its even necessary to provide sources for. Your rebuttal was for me to "prove it" which is whats called a "misplaced burden of proof". What I said was in of itself a series of facts. Now you want more proof on top of the proofs I presented? If anything, its your job to disprove me, which you can't do.
"An argument is an intellectual process"
"No it isn't"
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As a senior Biochemistry major I'm gonna have to come out here and call you a complete idiot Kvitka.
I guess biochemistry major doesn't mean intelligent speaker nor conclusive scientist who is willing to prove why someone else is wrong. Instead of resorting to childish name calling, why not prove why I am wrong and show everyone by your act what is your education really worth. :D
How can I? You already said that electron microscopes are liars and false science. What do I need to do? Break down the quantum mechanics to explain to you how they work? If I can't show you pictures of viruses, and say "these are viruses" then there's not much I can do. I really don't feel like explaining how e- scopes are not lying to you because that would take me about a years worth of education assuming you already understand the basics.
I never said that electron microscopes lie. You said that.
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Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
Prove it.
What you are doing is being contentious Its not argument. For an argument one side presents facts, then the other presents a rebuttal then evidence to the contrary.
I provided well established evidence. Established to the point I don't think its even necessary to provide sources for. Your rebuttal was for me to "prove it" which is whats called a "misplaced burden of proof". What I said was in of itself a series of facts. Now you want more proof on top of the proofs I presented? If anything, its your job to disprove me, which you can't do.
Where was disease before animals and humans appeared on earth?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
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It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I agree with this statement 100%. Viruses are not alive, they do not think.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
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It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I agree with this statement 100%. Viruses are not alive, they do not think.
Who do you believe created the so called "virus" and who do you believe created man?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
What directs/instructs the RNA to replicate?
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some viruses have trouble living outside of animals (that is why smallpox was nearly eradicated since it could not infect anyone). there are ways to keep viruses alive in a lab. evidence that viruses cause disease? well, i will grant you that germ theory is still a theory in that it can still be tested, but there are studies whereby volunteers have placed rhinovirus into their noses, and guess what, they got a cold! surgeons use sterile technique and infection rates are incredibly low. people have been stuck with hiv contaminated needles and subsequently developed hiv. who knows where viruses first came from- are they damaged bacteria or single celled organisms that can't function without using another hosts cellular machinery? it is not clear, but many of them are very effective at what they do. i will continue to wash my hands and practice good hygiene. flu is very effective in that it can mutate and jump species; this has to do with it being an rna virus that is made up of various segments. what kind of proof do you need that viruses cause disease? you are making an error in attributing human characteristics to a virus. the virus does not think- it attaches to a receptor on a cell, or is engulfed by the immune system. once inside, it does what it does, takes over the cellular machinery and starts to reproduce. if the immune system or antiviral medication kills it, it does not lament, nor do its friends hold a funeral. it is just over. these are bits of genetic material, not upper food chain organisms.
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some viruses have trouble living outside of animals (that is why smallpox was nearly eradicated since it could not infect anyone). there are ways to keep viruses alive in a lab. evidence that viruses cause disease? well, i will grant you that germ theory is still a theory in that it can still be tested, but there are studies whereby volunteers have placed rhinovirus into their noses, and guess what, they got a cold! surgeons use sterile technique and infection rates are incredibly low. people have been stuck with hiv contaminated needles and subsequently developed hiv. who knows where viruses first came from- are they damaged bacteria or single celled organisms that can't function without using another hosts cellular machinery? it is not clear, but many of them are very effective at what they do. i will continue to wash my hands and practice good hygiene. flu is very effective in that it can mutate and jump species; this has to do with it being an rna virus that is made up of various segments. what kind of proof do you need that viruses cause disease? you are making an error in attributing human characteristics to a virus. the virus does not think- it attaches to a receptor on a cell, or is engulfed by the immune system. once inside, it does what it does, takes over the cellular machinery and starts to reproduce. if the immune system or antiviral medication kills it, it does not lament, nor do its friends hold a funeral. it is just over. these are bits of genetic material, not upper food chain organisms.
Are you familiar with the placebo effect phenomenon, if so, how do you explain it?
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explain what? these studies were done to test a drug versus placebo in eradication of the cold. everyone got the cold who got the rhinovirus in the nose- then they tested the meds to see if they worked. people get sick from viruses; they have symptoms from the virus, we can even run a lab test to check for that virus; its presence with patients symptoms verifies infection- we then kill it with an antiviral or the bodies immune system fights it. sometimes the virus wins and we die. herpes causes cold sores (simplex type 1). you can send a swab from the cold sore to a lab who will confirm it has herpes virus in it. disease presence and virus presence are therefore proven to co-exist and this far exceeds post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies- this is as close to proof as you are going to get.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
Since you mentioned you're a MicroBiology Major, I'd like to ask you: have you any proof of any medically relevant virus which has been correctly isolated?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
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explain what? these studies were done to test a drug versus placebo in eradication of the cold. everyone got the cold who got the rhinovirus in the nose- then they tested the meds to see if they worked. people get sick from viruses; they have symptoms from the virus, we can even run a lab test to check for that virus; its presence with patients symptoms verifies infection- we then kill it with an antiviral or the bodies immune system fights it. sometimes the virus wins and we die. herpes causes cold sores (simplex type 1). you can send a swab from the cold sore to a lab who will confirm it has herpes virus in it. disease presence and virus presence are therefore proven to co-exist and this far exceeds post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies- this is as close to proof as you are going to get.
You speak of viruses very highly. You are their counsel of defense it appears, oh how foolish this world is to defend the very ideas that destroy it. Are you aware that not a single medically relevant virus has been isolated?
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
Since you mentioned you're a MicroBiology Major, I'd like to ask you: have you any proof of any medically relevant virus which has been correctly isolated?
I'm a biochem major, if you even were reading my posts. Most known viruses have been isolated and identified. They can be read relatively simply. Here's a suggestion, pick up any textbook on the subject and read a few pages. Chances are you won't understand any of it, so you might want to get more basic textbooks first. If you just want to look at pretty images from electron microscopes then its quite simple to type a search into google.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
You obviously are an idiot who believes in magic instead of science.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
You obviously are an idiot who believes in magic instead of science.
You're a better speaker than I thought. Have you yourself ever isolated a virus or do you depend on other people's opinions through text books? Because if you have no more wisdom than the guy who taught you, what can you prove? :D
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
You obviously are an idiot who believes in magic instead of science.
You're a better speaker than I thought. Have you yourself ever isolated a virus or do you depend on other people's opinions through text books? Because if you have no more wisdom than the guy who taught you, what can you prove? :D
I have worked with isolated viruses although no, I have not personally isolated one myself. I have isolated other biomolecules and am confident that given the opportunity/reason I could use the same principles to isolate small amounts of concentrated virum.
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Mike:
This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?
It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
Hey,
Anyone mind telling me if a virus is responsible for a disease or sickness, what gives this virus life and direction to conduct it's evil act?
Viruses are not technically alive.
Ok, so tell me what gives the virus direction to conduct it's evil act as is believed by you?
It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
You obviously are an idiot who believes in magic instead of science.
You're a better speaker than I thought. Have you yourself ever isolated a virus or do you depend on other people's opinions through text books? Because if you have no more wisdom than the guy who taught you, what can you prove? :D
I have worked with isolated viruses although no, I have not personally isolated one myself. I have isolated other biomolecules and am confident that given the opportunity/reason I could use the same principles to isolate small amounts of concentrated virum.
When you isolate one yourself, let me know how it works out please. I'd be very interested to know from what you isolate the virus and what process you will use. Also, would be interesting to see how an isolated virus is linked to a disease, the proof itself. I doubt anyone has ever followed a "virus" inside the body with a camera to see how it affects the cells, and if that's true, than no one actually has conclusive proof that it is the virus that causes the problem with the body, and not the mind affecting the fluids through a neurotransmission activated by a certain belief or expectation.
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I already explained the basics of how viruses make you sick.
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This is like debating a creationist.
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This is like debating a creationist.
It's worse. At least a creationist will recognize that some form of genetic evolution takes place.
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Basically, virons are wads of RNA that wriggle into the nucleus of a cell and takeover the workings of the nucleus to use the cell to produce as many virons as possible before the cell dies. The new virons go into other cells and do the same thing.
The physical symptoms of sickness from the flu is your body going into overdrive in an effort to wipe out the virus.
Prove it.
What you are doing is being contentious Its not argument. For an argument one side presents facts, then the other presents a rebuttal then evidence to the contrary.
I provided well established evidence. Established to the point I don't think its even necessary to provide sources for. Your rebuttal was for me to "prove it" which is whats called a "misplaced burden of proof". What I said was in of itself a series of facts. Now you want more proof on top of the proofs I presented? If anything, its your job to disprove me, which you can't do.
You didn't provide any evidence, you made a claim. I am asking you to provide evidence for that claim. You presented no proof.
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You speak of viruses very highly. You are their counsel of defense it appears, oh how foolish this world is to defend the very ideas that destroy it. Are you aware that not a single medically relevant virus has been isolated?
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are you aware that hundreds of medically relevant viruses have been isolated? now, you are just making things up. your defense is that since you yourself have never isolated said virus, you then question its very existence. how do you know that you have a brain, or need it to function? you have not seen it. even if you had a ct scan, that could be made up. i would not recommend you take yours out to examine it and see if it prevents you from living. do you think that an inventor needs to recreate everything that has happened before him in order to make an advance? no, you accept the work of others and move on if they are done with sound science. germ theory is quite well established, but in science, we call things a theory when they are testable.
here is the picture you wanted http://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-first-picture-of-the-aids-virus-attacking-the-inside-of-a-living-cell-1132428.html (yes, it happened 10 years ago). but you will argue that they are just lying and have no proof that virus was hiv and that it going into the cell caused any harm.
as for me defending viruses? that is preposterous. i would love to destroy them all. also, do you believe in any disease states at all, or are they all imaginary? do bacteria cause infections? what about parasites? fungi? this is intriguing.
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This is like debating a creationist.
Dude, shut the fuck up.
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It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
No, you really are an idiot. Don't you think a parasite that worms its way into a cell then uses the cell to replicate itself untill the cell dies would be detrimental to the well being of the organism? What if this is done millions of times?
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Someone called in and tossed down the vaccine card just now, if you want to move this to on air.
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I'm tired of all this flu crap. I don't care what people believe is right or wrong. I've never had the flu nor have I ever had the flu shot. I don't ever want a flu shot. If I get the flu and it's as bad as people say it is then i'll learn my lesson the hard way. Otherwise I'm doing just fine as I am. I would rather take an I told you so then a forced vaccination. It's obvious that the flu exists and isn't magic from thinking or placebos whatever that guy was saying. That's just silly.
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
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You speak of viruses very highly. You are their counsel of defense it appears, oh how foolish this world is to defend the very ideas that destroy it. Are you aware that not a single medically relevant virus has been isolated?
are you aware that hundreds of medically relevant viruses have been isolated? now, you are just making things up. your defense is that since you yourself have never isolated said virus, you then question its very existence. how do you know that you have a brain, or need it to function? you have not seen it. even if you had a ct scan, that could be made up. i would not recommend you take yours out to examine it and see if it prevents you from living. do you think that an inventor needs to recreate everything that has happened before him in order to make an advance? no, you accept the work of others and move on if they are done with sound science. germ theory is quite well established, but in science, we call things a theory when they are testable.
here is the picture you wanted http://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-first-picture-of-the-aids-virus-attacking-the-inside-of-a-living-cell-1132428.html (yes, it happened 10 years ago). but you will argue that they are just lying and have no proof that virus was hiv and that it going into the cell caused any harm.
as for me defending viruses? that is preposterous. i would love to destroy them all. also, do you believe in any disease states at all, or are they all imaginary? do bacteria cause infections? what about parasites? fungi? this is intriguing.
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The link you sent me contains no picture, and I am not gullible enough to believe some media information without proof. I do not need to know if I have a brain or not, I know I am a live and that I am a capable thinking being, that proof is in myself, as in each person. Whether there is a substance in the head of my body named "brain" is irrelevant since I conduct acts which prove I am a living intelligent being regardless.
Do you suppose Einstein needed to know what's the name of the substance inside the head in order to conduct his experiments? It's silly to suppose that knowing a name of organs will make one more intelligent. The organ if existed, existed before you ever labeled it.
In response to your questions, I do not believe in any diseases separate from the human mind whatsoever. That does not mean they are imaginary, because to people who are sick and suffering there is nothing imaginary about their pain and misery. The point of difference I am making is that society makes disease independent of the mind, when I make it a lie believed as true and manifested according to the direction given to the mind. Everyone will admit that the mind can be disturbed and cause sensations upon the body and nightmares and hallucinations. Now, this proves the mind can be influenced to manifest creation, for we create ideas every day. If you disagree, than I will leave you to your opinion and continue to speak to those who are interested...
If the mind can be used for creation, for we build our ideas with our hands for the world to see: bridges, inventions, buildings, cars, etc... than the mind is something that can be used to create. Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?
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It doesn't think, all it does is penetrate cells and use their proteins to copy itself. Viruses are pretty simple. They copy themselves and use up all of the resources of a cell until it kills the cell and then they repeat on consecutive cells. The human body attempts to repel the viruses and kill them all off using white blood cells and temperature. The effects that you feel when you're sick are due to the immune system acting to kill the virus. Viruses can be located and killed much quicker if the body already knows what "tags" to look for, and vaccines are just a method of providing your body with that information without actually infecting you with active virus in most cases.
I never said they think. I asked, what directs the actions of the virus?
The RNA is responsible for the replication. The "knowledge" of where to enter the cell from, I do not know.
I already explained that briefly. I'm not going to go into more detail because if he really is interested he would take a class in molecular biology or buy a molecular bio text book. I'm arguing with an idiot.
It appears you're projecting. If you speak of someone as an idiot, does that make you smarter? If words of offense make a person an intelligent one in this world than I will gladly remain an idiot and allow the one speaking to continue the hypocritical projection and by his own words expose himself further. :D
No, you really are an idiot. Don't you think a parasite that worms its way into a cell then uses the cell to replicate itself untill the cell dies would be detrimental to the well being of the organism? What if this is done millions of times?
You can create any hypothetical or commonly accepted statement, but that does not make it true. The world used to believe that Hell was a physical place and Devil ruled it, and that the Earth Stood ontop of Giant Turtles and that different Gods rules seas, sun, love, hate, war etc.
Your statement is nothing short of modern day superstition the likes of the above mentioned ideas of the past. All ideas which tend to cause suffering and misery are the invention of man, and you are supporting the reproduction of this misery through words of ignorance, I will no longer address your responses, you are not open to learn beyond your modern day superstition, which one day will take it's stand among the ranks of sorcery and lies.
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
Yes? I admit that the placebo effect is a deception of the mind which produces a (typically positive) effect upon the body. I do not admit that any specific drug is merely the placebo effect.
Anyone seen the episode of M.A.S.H. where they give placebos instead of morphine?
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
Yes? I admit that the placebo effect is a deception of the mind which produces a (typically positive) effect upon the body. I do not admit that any specific drug is merely the placebo effect.
Anyone seen the episode of M.A.S.H. where they give placebos instead of morphine?
I wish that'd work. I'd be high 24/7.
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Can you cure cancer?
http://endofdiseases.com/file/case_extract_learning_to_heal.html
Now I will illustrate a cure. I sit down by a sick person and you also sit down. I feel her trouble and the state of her mind and find her faint and weary for the want of wisdom. I tell her what she calls this feeling that troubles her and knowing her trouble my words contain food that you know not of. My words are words of wisdom and they strengthen her, while if you should speak the same words and the sound should fall on the natural ear precisely as mine do, they are only empty sounds and the sick derive no nourishment from them.
I will describe this food that you may taste it and be wiser for your meal. In order to prove that food satisfies a person's hunger I must find a person who is hungry, and in order to prove that my words satisfy the sick I must take one who hungers and thirsts for the bread of life or health. The lady I have now in my mind felt an uneasy feeling as though she was hungry. Being weak and faint from exhaustion, she applied to a physician for food to satisfy her desire, for she was famished for the want of wisdom in regard to her trouble. Instead of giving her wisdom that would have satisfied her, he in his ignorance gave her these words full of poison. "Your trouble is a cancer in the breast." As she received these words she grew more faint and exhausted till she became sick at her stomach. She ate of this poisonous food till the seeds of misery began to agitate the matter; the idea began to form and a bunch appeared on the breast. As she attached the name cancer to the bunch, the name and the bunch became one body. The physician's words contained the poison, the poison produced the bunch. Their ignorance associated the name with the bunch and called it cancer.
I was called to see the lady and being perfectly ignorant of her trouble, I felt the faint hungry feeling; and as I felt the effect of the doctor's food or opinion on her, I said the food that you eat does not nourish you, it gives you pain in the heart. This I said in reference to the way she reasoned in regard to her trouble. How do you know, she said. I told her then that she thought her trouble was a cancer and she admitted that it was so. I then told her that she had no cancer except what she made herself. I admit the swelling said I, but it is of your own make. You received the seed from the doctor and he prepared the mind or matter for its growth, but the fruit is the work of the medical faculty.
Let us see how much of the idea cancer exists in truth. The name existed before the bunch, then the bunch before it appeared must have been in the mind, for it was not in sight when the word was first applied to it or when you were first told that you had one. You know that you can be affected by another mind? "Certainly," she said. I wish to show you, said I, that every phenomenon that takes form in the human body is first conceived in the mind. Some sensation is felt which we cannot account for; we then conjure up some idea which we create into a belief; it is soon condensed into a form and a name given to it. Thus every phenomenon taking the name of disease is a pattern of some false idea started without the least foundation in truth. Now this bunch I call a phenomenon, for I cannot call it a cancer because if I do, I admit a thing outside the mind.
The senses are the man independent of flesh. That is one thing; the word cancer is another. Now I want to find the matter that the word is applied to. To say a thing exists and to prove its existence are two different things. If any doctor will tell me where that cancer was before it was in sight, I will ask him how he knows. Let him say it was in the blood, that the state of the blood indicates the presence of cancerous humor. Now do you deny that I told you your feelings? Certainly not, she says. Then have I a cancerous humor? No, then there is no wisdom in that argument.
Again he never knew you had an ill feeling till you told him. Then where did he get his knowledge? Not from you, for you never thought of a cancer. It must have been from what you said about your pain. Suppose I had said that I felt these same pains and you had kept your peace; then according to his theory, I must have a cancerous humor. Now I know that I have no humor nor had I an idea or pain till I sat by you; therefore his story of a cancer is a lie made out of the whole cloth without the least shadow of truth. It is like stories of Sinbad the Sailor or some other fable that have no existence in truth. Then you will say, What is this bunch? It is a bunch of solid matter, not a ghost or any invisible thing, but it was made by yourself and no one else. I will tell you how you made it. You will remember I spoke of your having a heat. This heat contained no good or ill but it was a mere decomposition of the body, brought about by some little excitement.
It troubled you for you say your dress fretted the parts. Then your superstitious fears of disease began to haunt you in your sleep creating an action in the part of your breast where the error had made a stand till finally you called on the doctor and got his opinion of what he knew nothing. You commenced then to form the idea till at last you excited the muscles to such an extent that the bunch has appeared. If now I have proved the cure, I have affected it and the bunch will disappear. Do you wish to know why? Yes. Have I not explained that the doctor's theory is based on a lie? Yes. Can the effect remain when the cause is removed? I presume not. How do you feel? I feel easy. How do you feel in regard to your trouble and in regard to what I have said? I think you are right and that it looks more reasonable than the doctor's story. Then your senses have left his opinion and have come to my wisdom. This is the new birth. You have risen from the dead if you are free from the doctor's ideas. This truth has destroyed death and brought life and health through science. Now I say unto you, Take up your bed or this truth and go your way. And when the night of error comes, spread out the garment of wisdom that enfolded Jesus and wrap yourself in its folds or truth till the sun of life shall shine in upon your body or truth and you rise free from the evils of the old belief.
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
Yes? I admit that the placebo effect is a deception of the mind which produces a (typically positive) effect upon the body. I do not admit that any specific drug is merely the placebo effect.
Anyone seen the episode of M.A.S.H. where they give placebos instead of morphine?
Than if you admit deception on the mind can produce a positive effect on the body, than it doesn't take a long stretch of imagination to see that an effect of negative nature can be produced the same way. It is called a Nocebo effect if you want to look it up. This proves the mind affects the body negatively, this is the cause of disease, an effect of deception upon the mind manifested upon the body.
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Can you cure cancer?
http://endofdiseases.com/file/case_extract_learning_to_heal.html
Now I will illustrate a cure. I sit down by a sick person and you also sit down. I feel her trouble and the state of her mind and find her faint and weary for the want of wisdom. I tell her what she calls this feeling that troubles her and knowing her trouble my words contain food that you know not of. My words are words of wisdom and they strengthen her, while if you should speak the same words and the sound should fall on the natural ear precisely as mine do, they are only empty sounds and the sick derive no nourishment from them.
I will describe this food that you may taste it and be wiser for your meal. In order to prove that food satisfies a person's hunger I must find a person who is hungry, and in order to prove that my words satisfy the sick I must take one who hungers and thirsts for the bread of life or health. The lady I have now in my mind felt an uneasy feeling as though she was hungry. Being weak and faint from exhaustion, she applied to a physician for food to satisfy her desire, for she was famished for the want of wisdom in regard to her trouble. Instead of giving her wisdom that would have satisfied her, he in his ignorance gave her these words full of poison. "Your trouble is a cancer in the breast." As she received these words she grew more faint and exhausted till she became sick at her stomach. She ate of this poisonous food till the seeds of misery began to agitate the matter; the idea began to form and a bunch appeared on the breast. As she attached the name cancer to the bunch, the name and the bunch became one body. The physician's words contained the poison, the poison produced the bunch. Their ignorance associated the name with the bunch and called it cancer.
I was called to see the lady and being perfectly ignorant of her trouble, I felt the faint hungry feeling; and as I felt the effect of the doctor's food or opinion on her, I said the food that you eat does not nourish you, it gives you pain in the heart. This I said in reference to the way she reasoned in regard to her trouble. How do you know, she said. I told her then that she thought her trouble was a cancer and she admitted that it was so. I then told her that she had no cancer except what she made herself. I admit the swelling said I, but it is of your own make. You received the seed from the doctor and he prepared the mind or matter for its growth, but the fruit is the work of the medical faculty.
Let us see how much of the idea cancer exists in truth. The name existed before the bunch, then the bunch before it appeared must have been in the mind, for it was not in sight when the word was first applied to it or when you were first told that you had one. You know that you can be affected by another mind? "Certainly," she said. I wish to show you, said I, that every phenomenon that takes form in the human body is first conceived in the mind. Some sensation is felt which we cannot account for; we then conjure up some idea which we create into a belief; it is soon condensed into a form and a name given to it. Thus every phenomenon taking the name of disease is a pattern of some false idea started without the least foundation in truth. Now this bunch I call a phenomenon, for I cannot call it a cancer because if I do, I admit a thing outside the mind.
The senses are the man independent of flesh. That is one thing; the word cancer is another. Now I want to find the matter that the word is applied to. To say a thing exists and to prove its existence are two different things. If any doctor will tell me where that cancer was before it was in sight, I will ask him how he knows. Let him say it was in the blood, that the state of the blood indicates the presence of cancerous humor. Now do you deny that I told you your feelings? Certainly not, she says. Then have I a cancerous humor? No, then there is no wisdom in that argument.
Again he never knew you had an ill feeling till you told him. Then where did he get his knowledge? Not from you, for you never thought of a cancer. It must have been from what you said about your pain. Suppose I had said that I felt these same pains and you had kept your peace; then according to his theory, I must have a cancerous humor. Now I know that I have no humor nor had I an idea or pain till I sat by you; therefore his story of a cancer is a lie made out of the whole cloth without the least shadow of truth. It is like stories of Sinbad the Sailor or some other fable that have no existence in truth. Then you will say, What is this bunch? It is a bunch of solid matter, not a ghost or any invisible thing, but it was made by yourself and no one else. I will tell you how you made it. You will remember I spoke of your having a heat. This heat contained no good or ill but it was a mere decomposition of the body, brought about by some little excitement.
It troubled you for you say your dress fretted the parts. Then your superstitious fears of disease began to haunt you in your sleep creating an action in the part of your breast where the error had made a stand till finally you called on the doctor and got his opinion of what he knew nothing. You commenced then to form the idea till at last you excited the muscles to such an extent that the bunch has appeared. If now I have proved the cure, I have affected it and the bunch will disappear. Do you wish to know why? Yes. Have I not explained that the doctor's theory is based on a lie? Yes. Can the effect remain when the cause is removed? I presume not. How do you feel? I feel easy. How do you feel in regard to your trouble and in regard to what I have said? I think you are right and that it looks more reasonable than the doctor's story. Then your senses have left his opinion and have come to my wisdom. This is the new birth. You have risen from the dead if you are free from the doctor's ideas. This truth has destroyed death and brought life and health through science. Now I say unto you, Take up your bed or this truth and go your way. And when the night of error comes, spread out the garment of wisdom that enfolded Jesus and wrap yourself in its folds or truth till the sun of life shall shine in upon your body or truth and you rise free from the evils of the old belief.
I don't want to give an opinion, that is worth nothing unless proved, but if you'd like to speak further, feel free to e mail me: curecode@gmail.com
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
Yes? I admit that the placebo effect is a deception of the mind which produces a (typically positive) effect upon the body. I do not admit that any specific drug is merely the placebo effect.
Anyone seen the episode of M.A.S.H. where they give placebos instead of morphine?
Than if you admit deception on the mind can produce a positive effect on the body, than it doesn't take a long stretch of imagination to see that an effect of negative nature can be produced the same way. It is called a Nocebo effect if you want to look it up. This proves the mind affects the body negatively, this is the cause of disease, an effect of deception upon the mind manifested upon the body.
I agree that the deception can put a negative effect on the body, but that is not disease. If that were the case then would amnesia or hypnosis cure your body?
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
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You do have to take a placebo to achieve the placebo affect...
Do you admit that placebo effect is a deception of mind which produces an effect upon the body?
Yes? I admit that the placebo effect is a deception of the mind which produces a (typically positive) effect upon the body. I do not admit that any specific drug is merely the placebo effect.
Anyone seen the episode of M.A.S.H. where they give placebos instead of morphine?
Than if you admit deception on the mind can produce a positive effect on the body, than it doesn't take a long stretch of imagination to see that an effect of negative nature can be produced the same way. It is called a Nocebo effect if you want to look it up. This proves the mind affects the body negatively, this is the cause of disease, an effect of deception upon the mind manifested upon the body.
I agree that the deception can put a negative effect on the body, but that is not disease. If that were the case then would amnesia or hypnosis cure your body?
It very well may cure, if the belief or idea which affects the body to produce a disease is destroyed, than there can be no bad effect from the mind. There have been cures through hypnosis, but it's just a change of mind, but the patient is not wiser from the cure. There are also many "miracle" cures which occurred throughout the ages that can be explained on this principle of false belief being destroyed by changing the mind which in turn normalizes fluids and restores health.
There is however a higher Truth which teaches man that his mind is spiritual or invisible matter capable of change and that any idea you believe you are responsible for to yourself, and that there are two main directions affecting every mind: Truth and Error. The effect determines which influence affected you. The cure is done by a science which corrects the error scientifically by explaining the Truth and exposing the lie, and when the person sees the absurdity of their belief the error is gone and health restored. This process is a true science that can be learned.
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
I was just throwing labels out there as far as shamans go. You believe you're actually coming from sound logic? Amazing...
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
I was just throwing labels out there as far as shamans go. You believe you're actually coming from sound logic? Amazing...
I don't have a belief, I do know that doctors are giving opinions, and that's the Truth. For if the prescription was equal to the disease than there would be no disease.
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
I was just throwing labels out there as far as shamans go. You believe you're actually coming from sound logic? Amazing...
Logical science is being ignored here indeed.
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
I was just throwing labels out there as far as shamans go. You believe you're actually coming from sound logic? Amazing...
Logical science is being ignored here indeed.
Do you suppose a placebo effect has no scientific or logical explanation?
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If thinking could do all that then I don't think we'd have any doctors at all. They'd be replaced with shamans or w/e you want to call them but people who will teach you the ways in this mystical magic.
There is a difference between thinking about something or believing in it. You can think about hell or devil and know it's false, yet you can also believe it and live your life in bondage from the fear of your belief.
Shamans function by deception not sound logic. If doctors give opinions they do not know Truth, than it will take a Truth above that to cure your error. So you don't need to replace doctors with Shamans, they already play that part.
I was just throwing labels out there as far as shamans go. You believe you're actually coming from sound logic? Amazing...
Logical science is being ignored here indeed.
Do you suppose a placebo effect has no scientific or logical explanation?
SRSLY LURN 2 TAWK PROPARHHH
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It very well may cure, if the belief or idea which affects the body to produce a disease is destroyed, than there can be no bad effect from the mind. There have been cures through hypnosis, but it's just a change of mind, but the patient is not wiser from the cure. There are also many "miracle" cures which occurred throughout the ages that can be explained on this principle of false belief being destroyed by changing the mind which in turn normalizes fluids and restores health.
There is however a higher Truth which teaches man that his mind is spiritual or invisible matter capable of change and that any idea you believe you are responsible for to yourself, and that there are two main directions affecting every mind: Truth and Error. The effect determines which influence affected you. The cure is done by a science which corrects the error scientifically by explaining the Truth and exposing the lie, and when the person sees the absurdity of their belief the error is gone and health restored. This process is a true science that can be learned.
How do babies get dis-eases and how do you restore their health?
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It very well may cure, if the belief or idea which affects the body to produce a disease is destroyed, than there can be no bad effect from the mind. There have been cures through hypnosis, but it's just a change of mind, but the patient is not wiser from the cure. There are also many "miracle" cures which occurred throughout the ages that can be explained on this principle of false belief being destroyed by changing the mind which in turn normalizes fluids and restores health.
There is however a higher Truth which teaches man that his mind is spiritual or invisible matter capable of change and that any idea you believe you are responsible for to yourself, and that there are two main directions affecting every mind: Truth and Error. The effect determines which influence affected you. The cure is done by a science which corrects the error scientifically by explaining the Truth and exposing the lie, and when the person sees the absurdity of their belief the error is gone and health restored. This process is a true science that can be learned.
How do babies get dis-eases and how do you restore their health?
Babies if born healthy, get affected by the belief (mind) of the parent, typically the mother, the principle responsible for this is: Mind affects mind. To restore their health means to change the false belief or direction of the mother's mind. If you have skype I can get into more details.
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It very well may cure, if the belief or idea which affects the body to produce a disease is destroyed, than there can be no bad effect from the mind. There have been cures through hypnosis, but it's just a change of mind, but the patient is not wiser from the cure. There are also many "miracle" cures which occurred throughout the ages that can be explained on this principle of false belief being destroyed by changing the mind which in turn normalizes fluids and restores health.
There is however a higher Truth which teaches man that his mind is spiritual or invisible matter capable of change and that any idea you believe you are responsible for to yourself, and that there are two main directions affecting every mind: Truth and Error. The effect determines which influence affected you. The cure is done by a science which corrects the error scientifically by explaining the Truth and exposing the lie, and when the person sees the absurdity of their belief the error is gone and health restored. This process is a true science that can be learned.
How do babies get dis-eases and how do you restore their health?
Babies if born healthy, get affected by the belief (mind) of the parent, typically the mother, the principle responsible for this is: Mind affects mind. To restore their health means to change the false belief or direction of the mother's mind. If you have skype I can get into more details.
wow so now we can control the diseases of other people? thats awesome! no way you could be charged for killing another! =D
These are not the droids you are looking for.
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it is addictive to talk to you since i can't believe that you are sincere. please tell me that you believe congenital anomalies are all made up. babies born without arms or legs actually have them but their mind did not imagine them. a heart defect that never closed at birth is a product of the mother. cerbral palsy and downs syndrome are creations of the parents? what about miscarriages? is trauma real, or just imagined? when a platelet plug gets stuck in an artery in the heart,the person has pain his or her chest, has a heart attack, a cardiologist opens up the vessel and he or she feels better and survives. placebo? you have to understand the limitations of the placebo effect. the human body has its own endorphins and opioids which can alleviate pain. diseases have specific presentations based on the cells they infect and the pathology of the infection. are you suggesting that every person imagines the same symptoms and then can be tested for the infection, and somehow, the physician can get the same result in the lab? sounds made up to me. do you seriously not believe in germ theory? would you go so far as to infect yourself since it is all placebo?
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it is addictive to talk to you since i can't believe that you are sincere. please tell me that you believe congenital anomalies are all made up. babies born without arms or legs actually have them but their mind did not imagine them. a heart defect that never closed at birth is a product of the mother. cerbral palsy and downs syndrome are creations of the parents? what about miscarriages? is trauma real, or just imagined? when a platelet plug gets stuck in an artery in the heart,the person has pain his or her chest, has a heart attack, a cardiologist opens up the vessel and he or she feels better and survives. placebo? you have to understand the limitations of the placebo effect. the human body has its own endorphins and opioids which can alleviate pain. diseases have specific presentations based on the cells they infect and the pathology of the infection. are you suggesting that every person imagines the same symptoms and then can be tested for the infection, and somehow, the physician can get the same result in the lab? sounds made up to me. do you seriously not believe in germ theory? would you go so far as to infect yourself since it is all placebo?
lol...
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It very well may cure, if the belief or idea which affects the body to produce a disease is destroyed, than there can be no bad effect from the mind. There have been cures through hypnosis, but it's just a change of mind, but the patient is not wiser from the cure. There are also many "miracle" cures which occurred throughout the ages that can be explained on this principle of false belief being destroyed by changing the mind which in turn normalizes fluids and restores health.
There is however a higher Truth which teaches man that his mind is spiritual or invisible matter capable of change and that any idea you believe you are responsible for to yourself, and that there are two main directions affecting every mind: Truth and Error. The effect determines which influence affected you. The cure is done by a science which corrects the error scientifically by explaining the Truth and exposing the lie, and when the person sees the absurdity of their belief the error is gone and health restored. This process is a true science that can be learned.
How do babies get dis-eases and how do you restore their health?
Babies if born healthy, get affected by the belief (mind) of the parent, typically the mother, the principle responsible for this is: Mind affects mind. To restore their health means to change the false belief or direction of the mother's mind. If you have skype I can get into more details.
wow so now we can control the diseases of other people? thats awesome! no way you could be charged for killing another! =D
These are not the droids you are looking for.
Well if by control you mean create or destroy yes, just like we are in control of our actions and thoughts. A child is not in control of his mind, the mother by her will guides the child in their early years until the child is wise enough to be guided by his wisdom.
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it is addictive to talk to you since i can't believe that you are sincere. please tell me that you believe congenital anomalies are all made up. babies born without arms or legs actually have them but their mind did not imagine them. a heart defect that never closed at birth is a product of the mother. cerbral palsy and downs syndrome are creations of the parents? what about miscarriages? is trauma real, or just imagined? when a platelet plug gets stuck in an artery in the heart,the person has pain his or her chest, has a heart attack, a cardiologist opens up the vessel and he or she feels better and survives. placebo? you have to understand the limitations of the placebo effect. the human body has its own endorphins and opioids which can alleviate pain. diseases have specific presentations based on the cells they infect and the pathology of the infection. are you suggesting that every person imagines the same symptoms and then can be tested for the infection, and somehow, the physician can get the same result in the lab? sounds made up to me. do you seriously not believe in germ theory? would you go so far as to infect yourself since it is all placebo?
Your statement that "babies being born without arms and legs is imagination" is absurd and has nothing to do with what I am trying to explain to you. I am speaking of cause and effect. What you speak of is the effect, and I speak of the cause. The cause is what needs to be addressed in order to prevent the effect. When an effect as drastic as dense bone change happens it's nearly impossible to reverse. However, on a more rarified level, such as organs, skin, fluids, thoughts... it is very possible to produce cures and reverse disease completely.
Imagination is not belief. When you imagine something you know it's your own imagination and is a fiction. When you believe something, it becomes real to you. If I succeed in convincing you that the devil is real, your belief will be your torment, not the devil independent of your mind. Same with disease.
If you can understand that mind is matter under direction of wisdom and error, you can easily see that a child is under the influence of the will of the mother, so if the mother is deceived to believe the child may be sick, she will affect her chemistry by her thoughts, and the child being part of her will become affected accordingly, hence, children take on the sins or errors of the parents.
If you want to understand one thing well you should stick to one idea/question at a time. This will spare any confusion.
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it is addictive to talk to you since i can't believe that you are sincere. please tell me that you believe congenital anomalies are all made up. babies born without arms or legs actually have them but their mind did not imagine them. a heart defect that never closed at birth is a product of the mother. cerbral palsy and downs syndrome are creations of the parents? what about miscarriages? is trauma real, or just imagined? when a platelet plug gets stuck in an artery in the heart,the person has pain his or her chest, has a heart attack, a cardiologist opens up the vessel and he or she feels better and survives. placebo? you have to understand the limitations of the placebo effect. the human body has its own endorphins and opioids which can alleviate pain. diseases have specific presentations based on the cells they infect and the pathology of the infection. are you suggesting that every person imagines the same symptoms and then can be tested for the infection, and somehow, the physician can get the same result in the lab? sounds made up to me. do you seriously not believe in germ theory? would you go so far as to infect yourself since it is all placebo?
Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
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Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
yes, the mind can create an effect in the body- happiness, sadness, pain, tiredness, hunger, etc. no, the mind cannot create a disease that is the same as most everyone infected with the same organism. now, you answer my question- do you disbelieve in germ theory so much that you are willing to innoculate yourself with a virus?
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Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
yes, the mind can create an effect in the body- happiness, sadness, pain, tiredness, hunger, etc. no, the mind cannot create a disease that is the same as most everyone infected with the same organism. now, you answer my question- do you disbelieve in germ theory so much that you are willing to innoculate yourself with a virus?
You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
If that was so, than we would not be able to invent, build, create ideas in our minds and then shadow them forth into the natural world as material items, artworks, musical pieces, guns, etc... All will admit that the mind can be used to create evil and good ideas outside the body, and all will admit the mind can also affect the body, but why would it not be able to create disease within the body according to some evil idea?
Again, a Virus is a lie, a deception to create fear and disturb the minds, this sells medicine for profits. Just like Church sells heaven to stay out of hell in order to get your support, and the government sells change, hope, and freedom in order to take your security.
It is like saying that I must give up my security to prove to you I am free. You are asking me to believe a lie that viruses are real, and then innoculate myself with this lie in order to prove it is a lie?
I already see that even if I did this and proved It had no effect, people like yourself may turn it around and say my immune system is strong and beat it. So it wouldn't prove anything scientifically.
So tell me, why would I be willing to innoculate myself with nothing?
A better test would be to allow a sick person to determine the Truth of what I say and do, because they are the ones looking for a cure. I am healthy and have not been sick since I understood the absurdity of the beliefs of 9/10th of humanity.
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Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
yes, the mind can create an effect in the body- happiness, sadness, pain, tiredness, hunger, etc. no, the mind cannot create a disease that is the same as most everyone infected with the same organism. now, you answer my question- do you disbelieve in germ theory so much that you are willing to innoculate yourself with a virus?
You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
If that was so, than we would not be able to invent, build, create ideas in our minds and then shadow them forth into the natural world as material items, artworks, musical pieces, guns, etc... All will admit that the mind can be used to create evil and good ideas outside the body, and all will admit the mind can also affect the body, but why would it not be able to create disease within the body according to some evil idea?
Again, a Virus is a lie, a deception to create fear and disturb the minds, this sells medicine for profits. Just like Church sells heaven to stay out of hell in order to get your support, and the government sells change, hope, and freedom in order to take your security.
It is like saying that I must give up my security to prove to you I am free. You are asking me to believe a lie that viruses are real, and then innoculate myself with this lie in order to prove it is a lie?
I already see that even if I did this and proved It had no effect, people like yourself may turn it around and say my immune system is strong and beat it. So it wouldn't prove anything scientifically.
So tell me, why would I be willing to innoculate myself with nothing?
A better test would be to allow a sick person to determine the Truth of what I say and do, because they are the ones looking for a cure. I am healthy and have not been sick since I understood the absurdity of the beliefs of 9/10th of humanity.
So, you don't believe in the tobacco mosiac virus? Its in tbacco plants. How about feline immuno deviciency virus? Where did that come from? maybe it came from the mind of the cat. Or maybe it was made in a lab. Man these lab technicians would have to very extremely prolific to create in secret viruses specific to plants and animals we do not know of yet. Even honeybees have viruses, and other parasites that are specific to them.
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Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
yes, the mind can create an effect in the body- happiness, sadness, pain, tiredness, hunger, etc. no, the mind cannot create a disease that is the same as most everyone infected with the same organism. now, you answer my question- do you disbelieve in germ theory so much that you are willing to innoculate yourself with a virus?
You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
If that was so, than we would not be able to invent, build, create ideas in our minds and then shadow them forth into the natural world as material items, artworks, musical pieces, guns, etc... All will admit that the mind can be used to create evil and good ideas outside the body, and all will admit the mind can also affect the body, but why would it not be able to create disease within the body according to some evil idea?
Again, a Virus is a lie, a deception to create fear and disturb the minds, this sells medicine for profits. Just like Church sells heaven to stay out of hell in order to get your support, and the government sells change, hope, and freedom in order to take your security.
It is like saying that I must give up my security to prove to you I am free. You are asking me to believe a lie that viruses are real, and then innoculate myself with this lie in order to prove it is a lie?
I already see that even if I did this and proved It had no effect, people like yourself may turn it around and say my immune system is strong and beat it. So it wouldn't prove anything scientifically.
So tell me, why would I be willing to innoculate myself with nothing?
A better test would be to allow a sick person to determine the Truth of what I say and do, because they are the ones looking for a cure. I am healthy and have not been sick since I understood the absurdity of the beliefs of 9/10th of humanity.
So, you don't believe in the tobacco mosiac virus? Its in tbacco plants. How about feline immuno deviciency virus? Where did that come from? maybe it came from the mind of the cat. Or maybe it was made in a lab. Man these lab technicians would have to very extremely prolific to create in secret viruses specific to plants and animals we do not know of yet. Even honeybees have viruses, and other parasites that are specific to them.
Dude stop talking trash about magic.
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Do you wish to answer my previous question: "Let me ask you, do you suppose it's not possible for the mind to be used to create some effect within the body or some idea just as we use the mind to create other ideas that are outside the body?"
yes, the mind can create an effect in the body- happiness, sadness, pain, tiredness, hunger, etc. no, the mind cannot create a disease that is the same as most everyone infected with the same organism. now, you answer my question- do you disbelieve in germ theory so much that you are willing to innoculate yourself with a virus?
You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
If that was so, than we would not be able to invent, build, create ideas in our minds and then shadow them forth into the natural world as material items, artworks, musical pieces, guns, etc... All will admit that the mind can be used to create evil and good ideas outside the body, and all will admit the mind can also affect the body, but why would it not be able to create disease within the body according to some evil idea?
Again, a Virus is a lie, a deception to create fear and disturb the minds, this sells medicine for profits. Just like Church sells heaven to stay out of hell in order to get your support, and the government sells change, hope, and freedom in order to take your security.
It is like saying that I must give up my security to prove to you I am free. You are asking me to believe a lie that viruses are real, and then innoculate myself with this lie in order to prove it is a lie?
I already see that even if I did this and proved It had no effect, people like yourself may turn it around and say my immune system is strong and beat it. So it wouldn't prove anything scientifically.
So tell me, why would I be willing to innoculate myself with nothing?
A better test would be to allow a sick person to determine the Truth of what I say and do, because they are the ones looking for a cure. I am healthy and have not been sick since I understood the absurdity of the beliefs of 9/10th of humanity.
So, you don't believe in the tobacco mosiac virus? Its in tbacco plants. How about feline immuno deviciency virus? Where did that come from? maybe it came from the mind of the cat. Or maybe it was made in a lab. Man these lab technicians would have to very extremely prolific to create in secret viruses specific to plants and animals we do not know of yet. Even honeybees have viruses, and other parasites that are specific to them.
All these names and all this information you speak of is all belief you carry in your mind acquired and formed by reading some literature or listening to some people or looking at some pictures. How gullible or foolish is man to believe stories that cause the very suffering he wishes to avoid without any proof? I have never seen any virus itself and have never seen any virus cause any disease. Everything I hear and read means nothing to me as majority is usually wrong in this world and minority is ignored.
In regards to animals being sick, sure, I agree... they are domesticated and controlled by their owners, and if the owner is sick in his belief and believes the animals are bound by the same rules than the animals will be affected by the will of the owner. You ever see how often the dog resembles it's master in some characteristics and traits? How do you suppose this happens? How do you suppose an animal can be trained if they don't speak human language? How do you suppose an animal "smells fear" in other people? Is not fear originated in the mind of a person?
In respect to Feline "virus" this is a belief created by ignorance of man and imposed upon the helpless animal by the will of the owner. So in essence the owner ignorantly "trains" the cat according to the belief. So just like an animal can "smell" fear or joy or anger in the owners mind, same way they can take on the misery of a belief and sickness, it is the effect of sympathy or harmony which brings the animal into harmony with the mind or belief of the owner. This happens to humans every day, we are affected by each others beliefs as much as by various odors in the air, it is the belief in virus and disease that is catching and not a virus independent of belief.
For another example of this effect of mind affecting mind, think of a Tuning Fork in Music, this is used to Tune a Piano according to certain proper vibrations. The Piano must be in harmony with the Tuning Fork. So the principle of sympathy applies here as well. Our minds are the pianos or instruments to be played on by various players or beliefs of this world. If the players or beliefs are ignorant of the science of music or happiness, than they will play in discord and cause misery upon your system. The science I speak of is to the disturbed mind and body as a tuning fork is to a discorded piano.
Many people especially freedom oriented people will agree that government does nothing well except hurt and kill people. Why would this sinister system suddenly become angelic on the subject of viruses being real and tell the Truth?
After all the government does say viruses are real and cause disease.
Will you admit that a person's belief can affect him for better or worse?
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So, you don't believe in the tobacco mosiac virus? Its in tbacco plants. How about feline immuno deficiency virus? Where did that come from? maybe it came from the mind of the cat. Or maybe it was made in a lab. Man these lab technicians would have to very extremely prolific to create in secret viruses specific to plants and animals we do not know of yet. Even honeybees have viruses, and other parasites that are specific to them.
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All these names and all this information you speak of is all belief you carry in your mind acquired and formed by reading some literature or listening to some people or looking at some pictures. How gullible or foolish is man to believe stories that cause the very suffering he wishes to avoid without any proof? I have never seen any virus itself and have never seen any virus cause any disease. Everything I hear and read means nothing to me as majority is usually wrong in this world and minority is ignored.
In regards to animals being sick, sure, I agree... they are domesticated and controlled by their owners, and if the owner is sick in his belief and believes the animals are bound by the same rules than the animals will be affected by the will of the owner. You ever see how often the dog resembles it's master in some characteristics and traits? How do you suppose this happens? How do you suppose an animal can be trained if they don't speak human language? How do you suppose an animal "smells fear" in other people? Is not fear originated in the mind of a person?
In respect to Feline "virus" this is a belief created by ignorance of man and imposed upon the helpless animal by the will of the owner. So in essence the owner ignorantly "trains" the cat according to the belief. So just like an animal can "smell" fear or joy or anger in the owners mind, same way they can take on the misery of a belief and sickness, it is the effect of sympathy or harmony which brings the animal into harmony with the mind or belief of the owner. This happens to humans every day, we are affected by each others beliefs as much as by various odors in the air, it is the belief in virus and disease that is catching and not a virus independent of belief.
For another example of this effect of mind affecting mind, think of a Tuning Fork in Music, this is used to Tune a Piano according to certain proper vibrations. The Piano must be in harmony with the Tuning Fork. So the principle of sympathy applies here as well. Our minds are the pianos or instruments to be played on by various players or beliefs of this world. If the players or beliefs are ignorant of the science of music or happiness, than they will play in discord and cause misery upon your system. The science I speak of is to the disturbed mind and body as a tuning fork is to a discorded piano.
Many people especially freedom oriented people will agree that government does nothing well except hurt and kill people. Why would this sinister system suddenly become angelic on the subject of viruses being real and tell the Truth?
After all the government does say viruses are real and cause disease.
Will you admit that a person's belief can affect him for better or worse?
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What do you think about sound waves? All your knowledge of what a sound wave comes from pictures, graphs, reading literature and listening to people. Have you ever seen a sound wave? Then how do you know it exists?
It would be foolish to believe in a sound wave similarly without any proof. What does the minority say about sound waves?
Continuing your sensory based logic, if I take a stick and put it into water, and it looks bent, does that in reality means it bent? Maybe it does, and it simply unbends when I take it out of the water. I mean, its not like senses could be distorted, right?
How do you train bees to get sick?
I agree that a persons feelings could affect their physical well being.
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What about STDs?
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So, you don't believe in the tobacco mosiac virus? Its in tbacco plants. How about feline immuno deficiency virus? Where did that come from? maybe it came from the mind of the cat. Or maybe it was made in a lab. Man these lab technicians would have to very extremely prolific to create in secret viruses specific to plants and animals we do not know of yet. Even honeybees have viruses, and other parasites that are specific to them.
All these names and all this information you speak of is all belief you carry in your mind acquired and formed by reading some literature or listening to some people or looking at some pictures. How gullible or foolish is man to believe stories that cause the very suffering he wishes to avoid without any proof? I have never seen any virus itself and have never seen any virus cause any disease. Everything I hear and read means nothing to me as majority is usually wrong in this world and minority is ignored.
In regards to animals being sick, sure, I agree... they are domesticated and controlled by their owners, and if the owner is sick in his belief and believes the animals are bound by the same rules than the animals will be affected by the will of the owner. You ever see how often the dog resembles it's master in some characteristics and traits? How do you suppose this happens? How do you suppose an animal can be trained if they don't speak human language? How do you suppose an animal "smells fear" in other people? Is not fear originated in the mind of a person?
In respect to Feline "virus" this is a belief created by ignorance of man and imposed upon the helpless animal by the will of the owner. So in essence the owner ignorantly "trains" the cat according to the belief. So just like an animal can "smell" fear or joy or anger in the owners mind, same way they can take on the misery of a belief and sickness, it is the effect of sympathy or harmony which brings the animal into harmony with the mind or belief of the owner. This happens to humans every day, we are affected by each others beliefs as much as by various odors in the air, it is the belief in virus and disease that is catching and not a virus independent of belief.
For another example of this effect of mind affecting mind, think of a Tuning Fork in Music, this is used to Tune a Piano according to certain proper vibrations. The Piano must be in harmony with the Tuning Fork. So the principle of sympathy applies here as well. Our minds are the pianos or instruments to be played on by various players or beliefs of this world. If the players or beliefs are ignorant of the science of music or happiness, than they will play in discord and cause misery upon your system. The science I speak of is to the disturbed mind and body as a tuning fork is to a discorded piano.
Many people especially freedom oriented people will agree that government does nothing well except hurt and kill people. Why would this sinister system suddenly become angelic on the subject of viruses being real and tell the Truth?
After all the government does say viruses are real and cause disease.
Will you admit that a person's belief can affect him for better or worse?
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What do you think about sound waves? All your knowledge of what a sound wave comes from pictures, graphs, reading literature and listening to people. Have you ever seen a sound wave? Then how do you know it exists?
It would be foolish to believe in a sound wave similarly without any proof. What does the minority say about sound waves?
Continuing your sensory based logic, if I take a stick and put it into water, and it looks bent, does that in reality means it bent? Maybe it does, and it simply unbends when I take it out of the water. I mean, its not like senses could be distorted, right?
How do you train bees to get sick?
I agree that a persons feelings could affect their physical well being.
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Animals have not been educated on sound waves just as much as babies, yet they respond to sound. This suggests that proof of sound is not in knowledge of books, pictures, or information of man, but rather in your own senses. I do not need knowledge to see, hear, taste, smell, feel. Animals do this and ignorant babes as well. There is no belief when it comes to sound, it's a principle impressed directly upon the senses.
The confusion here comes from the general misunderstanding of the difference between mind and the natural senses. Senses are principles without any knowledge, mind is spiritual matter impressed upon by ideas, information, reason, opinion, etc. You can feel/see/smell/touch something without any knowledge, but you can begin to reason about it and this is where most men get into an error. The process of reasoning when guided by opinions and not science is what causes errors, superstitions, disease, misery and suffering.
A stick appearing bent in water is what your senses see, it is bent by the difference in reflection of light, however, your mind now has the task to understand scientifically why this happens. This is called reason. Now if some bravado person decides to account for this effect by his opinions and say that water has magical powers governed by a water God and can bend anything you put into it because it is infinitely powerful. If you believe this, you just created a belief based on an opinion with no science. If someone explains the effect by true science, there can be no error or opinion, just Truth, and this is when the mind is fully satisfied and not mislead into error.
In response to the Bee question, I don't train anyone/thing to get sick, this is an evil act. Rather, I do my best to explain the error of mind or cause which brought on the suffering and free the senses from the deception.
Since you agree that persons feelings or belief can affect his physical well being, then how far can a person's physical well being be affected? Is there a limit? What sets the limit? Why cannot the belief affect a person's physical health all the way to a disease? a "Nocebo" effect so to speak. If a hypochondriac imagines his sickness, why is his torment real? Just some questions to think about.
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What about STDs?
All diseases are the effect of deception upon the mind, which changes the fluids and affects the body. We are creative beings and will create what we believe in the body and outside. The science is to know the Truth so that disease will be as absurd of a lie as witches, black cats, horseshoes over the door, knocking on wood, devil, hell, spiritualism, etc. All these were at one time believed and accepted as real as diseases are now.
Greeks worshipped various gods, until the science of astronomy proved the Truth and destroyed the myths. Until science will put an end to the myths, superstitions and other absurdities man's mind can invent, the world will be blown around by all kinds of deception and suffering will be the result.
And now science is sounding it's trumpet and a wave of Truth is approaching this darkness of disease, death and suffering, and will hew down every opinion that is not rooted in Truth and happiness with the Axe of Science.
I should mention that there are two sciences: 1). Science of man (medical sciences, political sciences, spiritualism etc), these date their beginning to man's ideas. 2). Science of Wisdom of Truth (Science of Health & Happiness, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Mechanics, Music, Astronomy, etc), all these existed before man discovered them and date their existence forever.
Now I ask you, which science would you be more inclined base your life on?
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The science that keeps me alive and creates medicines that cure, heal, and make life more comfortable. Pain meds, etc. Thanks to doctors and studies.
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This has to be a joke. No one can really think like this.
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This has to be a joke. No one can really think like this.
To think that no one can think like that is the real joke :lol:
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The science that keeps me alive and creates medicines that cure, heal, and make life more comfortable. Pain meds, etc. Thanks to doctors and studies.
Pain meds are a cover up, like the bailouts. You suppressing pain, not understanding that the pain is only an effect of a cause, and the cause is what gets ignored. So you have most of the country living on medications for breakfast lunch and dinner until their bodies decompose. This is called living? I consider all such people lost in darkness or dead to the Truth. It is not life.
But this is your choice.
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Ah the Truth, so now I understand you actually do believe in science and viruses and bacterial infection, right?
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You can see a tumor can't you? You can't see muscle unless you cut into the skin so whats the difference if I believed about being stronger and bigger?
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Ah the Truth, so now I understand you actually do believe in science and viruses and bacterial infection, right?
You have not understood anything beyond what you want to understand. You look at my writings with the filters of judgment and opinions on your eyes which means nothing to me. If you sincerely want to understand, contact me directly at curecode@gmail.com, I will no longer respond to your posts on here.
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You can see a tumor can't you? You can't see muscle unless you cut into the skin so whats the difference if I believed about being stronger and bigger?
The the difference is in your belief, for your belief in a tumor will cause misery and suffering and all the horrors of sickness. Whether you see muscles or not will not affect your happiness or misery if you don't attach any belief to them.
Your belief has a lot to do with your strength. Take away a man's motivation and suppress his will power and it will be a difficulty to even raise the body out of bed. But give a man some excitement and motivate him, and he'll jump out of bed as if he weights nothing. So where is the strength, in the muscles or in your will?
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Ah the Truth, so now I understand you actually do believe in science and viruses and bacterial infection, right?
You have not understood anything beyond what you want to understand. You look at my writings with the filters of judgment and opinions on your eyes which means nothing to me. If you sincerely want to understand, contact me directly at curecode@gmail.com, I will no longer respond to your posts on here.
I want to understand the truth, and I want to understand how diseases work so I can help to cure them in the future. That's why I'm a Biochem student instead of a magician's assistant.
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Ah the Truth, so now I understand you actually do believe in science and viruses and bacterial infection, right?
You have not understood anything beyond what you want to understand. You look at my writings with the filters of judgment and opinions on your eyes which means nothing to me. If you sincerely want to understand, contact me directly at curecode@gmail.com, I will no longer respond to your posts on here.
I want to understand the truth, and I want to understand how diseases work so I can help to cure them in the future. That's why I'm a Biochem student instead of a magician's assistant.
You just have to believe my friend. Throw away common sense and logic. Who needs science when you have belief?
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Ah the Truth, so now I understand you actually do believe in science and viruses and bacterial infection, right?
You have not understood anything beyond what you want to understand. You look at my writings with the filters of judgment and opinions on your eyes which means nothing to me. If you sincerely want to understand, contact me directly at curecode@gmail.com, I will no longer respond to your posts on here.
I want to understand the truth, and I want to understand how diseases work so I can help to cure them in the future. That's why I'm a Biochem student instead of a magician's assistant.
You just have to believe my friend. Throw away common sense and logic. Who needs science when you have belief?
A belief is not Truth, you misunderstand me and prove this with your sarcasm.
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You are right a belief is not truth.
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You are right a belief is not truth.
The Truth is Science which can destroy the false belief or disease and restore harmony. This is the Science of Health & Happiness what man has neglected to understand, yet it has been attempted by; Epicurus, Lucretius and other philosophers, but practiced by Jesus on the sick, yet he was murdered before people could understand it, and they mysticized all he said, Quimby has continue the cures same as Jesus in 19th Century, by a science he left for all who are willing to learn. Not Magic, or Sorcery, but a True Science such as Mathematics, which can not only show you where you were in error or deceived, but also correct the mistake and help you stay out of trouble People always tend to ridicule what they don't understand instead of trying to learn.
It is like this: I go back to Ancient Greece and tell the Greeks that their Sun God is a Lie, much like I tell you now that your belief in disease is a lie, and that I can prove how it's a lie by a science they have never known... How do you suppose they would respond to my proposition to "destroy" their God or Belief?
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Does this mean surgeons don't have to sterilize their instruments?
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They would kill you for your blasphemous remarks? hell if i know
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They would kill you for your blasphemous remarks? hell if i know
So now, this science gets stoned by people's words before I am even able to explain it. This is the very error that keeps man from evolving beyond the beast, for a wild beast is more free and healthier than civilized man.
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You are all educated stupid. Please go check out the long, rambling, one-page web site that explains this all clearly to anyone willing to abandon everything they think they know and accept a whole new set of ideas as truth without question.
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You are all educated stupid. Please go check out the long, rambling, one-page web site that explains this all clearly to anyone willing to abandon everything they think they know and accept a whole new set of ideas as truth without question.
If you are intelligent man, why do you resort to calling people's ideas who you do not know stupid for the sake of spreading a message? This is not even a good marketing technique. You can attract more flies with Honey, try a kinder approach and show people why you say they are stupid, where is our error? But if you can only call names without any proof in order to direct us to someone else's words, where does that put you?
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Is there a website I can read about this stuff?
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Is there a website I can read about this stuff?
www.endofdiseases.com
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What is disease?
It is what follows the effect of a false direction given to the mind or spiritual matter.
The body is composed of matter, not mind, but when agitated, that part which is called heat and is
thrown off is mind or spirit. It is not intelligence but a medium to be used according to the direction
given it by a power independent of itself, like that direction given to mechanical power. The effect
of this direction, call it what you please, on the body, is to destroy itself, for its life is its own destruction.
or
A disease or medical condition is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions,
associated with specific symptoms and signs.[1][2][3] It may be caused by external factors, such as
invading organisms, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases.
So do you claim it's only internal dysfunctions that are prevented or do you mean external also?
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What is disease?
It is what follows the effect of a false direction given to the mind or spiritual matter.
The body is composed of matter, not mind, but when agitated, that part which is called heat and is
thrown off is mind or spirit. It is not intelligence but a medium to be used according to the direction
given it by a power independent of itself, like that direction given to mechanical power. The effect
of this direction, call it what you please, on the body, is to destroy itself, for its life is its own destruction.
or
A disease or medical condition is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions,
associated with specific symptoms and signs.[1][2][3] It may be caused by external factors, such as
invading organisms, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases.
So do you claim it's only internal dysfunctions that are prevented or do you mean external also?
I mean that diseases are prevented when you know they are lies invented by man and passed down from generation to generation as common knowledge, and doctors prop up this error, many ignorantly, some knowingly. This is why Jesus denounced them all as blind guides and I do the same. The world is teeming with doctors and medicines and yet diseases are on the rise. There are more and more commercials about medicine and yet more and more diseases. What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
The Mind is capable of being impressed upon with different ideas, if the ideas are believed then the mind will be used by your will to create the idea. Once the disease is created that is proof to you that disease is real, but to me, it is only proof you believed a lie. Some children believe in Monsters, adults know better and are immune or not affected by this lie anymore, but the child suffers from fear, for he creates this monster in his mind and it torments him even in his sleep.
How convenient would it be for me to sell medicine as a profit if I only made the people believe there is an invisible "virus" out there that will get them if they don't do just as I say. How great would my control be and how convenient that the suspect I claim caused your disease is invisible to the eye. Its a diabolical marketing campaign, to create an invisible enemy, disturb people's minds and bodies, and then sell a lifetime of treatment. Sound similar to the Terrorism theory perhaps? Scare you with an indefinite enemy to take your freedom? People who believe are affected accordingly.
The mind is like clay, it can be molded into any idea and affect the body accordingly.
Nothing can affect you unless you know it, and if you know anything then that knowledge is in your mind, whether it is disease or anything else.
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antihistamines that help with allergies and itching? using alcohol to clean a wound? if I get a cut can I just heal it if I believe and leave no scar? If I can biologically modify myself by simply believing then I shouldn't need plastic surgery for that matter if I wanted to change my appearance right? I could be taller and stronger right?
You are speaking of physical trauma, and in such cases there is no dispute about the cause. Disease is not cuts or scrapes, the cause of disease is never seen, and this is where man begins to reason and "guess" himself into errors he cannot correct without Truth.
Does this mean surgeons don't have to sterilize their instruments?
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so then what about animals? they can get sick and they can get diseases.
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
Oh jeez.
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
They are innocent because they committed a crime without knowing it, they were ignorant of the law and therefore did not do it intentionally. If you can prove they did it intentionally, thats a different story. But instead of punishing people for their ignorance, I would educate them and make them wise enough to be immune to the false ideas that affect us and our animals.
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
They are innocent because they committed a crime without knowing it, they were ignorant of the law and therefore did not do it intentionally. If you can prove they did it intentionally, thats a different story. But instead of punishing people for their ignorance, I would educate them and make them wise enough to be immune to the false ideas that affect us and our animals.
What if someone talked about hating their dog constantly or their baby and they get sick and die....
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
They are innocent because they committed a crime without knowing it, they were ignorant of the law and therefore did not do it intentionally. If you can prove they did it intentionally, thats a different story. But instead of punishing people for their ignorance, I would educate them and make them wise enough to be immune to the false ideas that affect us and our animals.
What if someone talked about hating their dog constantly or their baby and they get sick and die....
Yeah we should arrest mothers whose children die of disease because it was obviously their fault, right?
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
They are innocent because they committed a crime without knowing it, they were ignorant of the law and therefore did not do it intentionally. If you can prove they did it intentionally, thats a different story. But instead of punishing people for their ignorance, I would educate them and make them wise enough to be immune to the false ideas that affect us and our animals.
What if someone talked about hating their dog constantly or their baby and they get sick and die....
Yeah we should arrest mothers whose children die of disease because it was obviously their fault, right?
Of course. Mother yellin at her baby to shut up and be quiet cuz it keeps cryin then all of a sudden whadya know... It's got asthma or pneumonia
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What do you suppose gives life to disease if not the human inventive power?
Oh I dunno, THEMSELVES? Bacteria is a living organism. Virum are close but not quite living organisms. Both reproduce. When they reproduce in your body, they cause disease. How is that hard to understand?
But see we invented them by his logic? I'm thinking thats what he's saying. They reproduce and are living organisms cuz we believed them to be.
We invented them by false reasoning or ignorance. We reasoned ourselves into lies by not understanding ourselves.
We give life to whatever we believe, and as far as animals, I answered this one in this post already. Domestic animals get affected by the mind of the owner on the principle of sympathy.
That sucks so how do we arrest those people for killing their animals?
They are innocent because they committed a crime without knowing it, they were ignorant of the law and therefore did not do it intentionally. If you can prove they did it intentionally, thats a different story. But instead of punishing people for their ignorance, I would educate them and make them wise enough to be immune to the false ideas that affect us and our animals.
What if someone talked about hating their dog constantly or their baby and they get sick and die....
Talking about something does not necessarily mean you believe it. The negative state of your mind may disturb the child or animal, they are very sensitive and open to impressions because they are pure and ignorant. But if your baby gets disturbed from your anger and instead of calming yourself and in turn the baby you get more worried and call a doctor and the doctor gives you a belief in the form of an opinion that the child can have such and such syndrome or disease, if you believe it, your belief may affect the child, especially if it is the mother who believes it.
All thats needed is to calm the mind and the storm will be over and nature will resume it's sway, but instead, these blind guides give their opinions and create a blueprint or give false directions which disturb the mind further and manifest disease.
The parents of sick children should not be arrested, because they are ignorant how their belief is affecting their child, but instead they must be shown how to correct the errors, as in mathematics or any other science.
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
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jew flu
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I do believe this Kvitka is having a bit of fun with you. Obviously, no one could actually believe this crap.
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You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
um, no. the mind can create feelings, not diseases. there is a difference.
you are using the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance (since i can't figure out how x happens, it must be false).
let's take a hypothetical: a newborn baby is born and the mother dies in childbirth- no maternal influence. the baby then gets a fever; a spinal tap is performed; pus comes out. a bacteria starts to grow. the child gets sicker. antibiotics are started. the child still is sick. cultures show that the doctors need to use a different antibiotic. the medication is changed and the baby gets better. a repeat spinal tap (generally not done) shows clear, sterile fluid. infection=disease.
pain is real too. when someone gets a cut, it hurts. the doctor puts lidocaine into the wound to anesthetize it and the stitches don't hurt. yes, the mind can help alleviate pain, but so can medications.
do you wash your hands? if so, why? that would be contrary to your whole world view. do you brush your teeth? the bacteria in your mouth cause the cavities, but you don't believe in that. do you bathe? bacteria on your skin contribute to body odor, but they don't exist, right?
would you get surgery with non-sterile instruments and no anesthesia? of course, you would never consent to surgery since they can't prove to you that your excrutiating belly pain is from your infected appendix rupturing.
please stop writing everything in bold text.
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
I already replied to you, I will only address people who are genuine and sincere in understanding what I am saying.
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
I already replied to you, I will only address people who are genuine and sincere in understanding what I am saying.
You are talking about the Law of attraction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction) .Its easy to understand but hard to practice.
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The reason I think you are a crock of shit is that everyone dies.Argument over.
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The reason I think you are a crock of shit is that everyone dies.Argument over.
What you think admits a doubt, because when you truly know something, thinking stops. As long as you need to think, you're still in the process of understanding.
This is where you are wrong. You are dead to this Truth in your ignorance, otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to state: "Argument over", but would investigate further.
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You contradict yourself when you say the mind can create, and then say that mind cannot create disease.
um, no. the mind can create feelings, not diseases. there is a difference.
you are using the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance (since i can't figure out how x happens, it must be false).
let's take a hypothetical: a newborn baby is born and the mother dies in childbirth- no maternal influence. the baby then gets a fever; a spinal tap is performed; pus comes out. a bacteria starts to grow. the child gets sicker. antibiotics are started. the child still is sick. cultures show that the doctors need to use a different antibiotic. the medication is changed and the baby gets better. a repeat spinal tap (generally not done) shows clear, sterile fluid. infection=disease.
pain is real too. when someone gets a cut, it hurts. the doctor puts lidocaine into the wound to anesthetize it and the stitches don't hurt. yes, the mind can help alleviate pain, but so can medications.
do you wash your hands? if so, why? that would be contrary to your whole world view. do you brush your teeth? the bacteria in your mouth cause the cavities, but you don't believe in that. do you bathe? bacteria on your skin contribute to body odor, but they don't exist, right?
would you get surgery with non-sterile instruments and no anesthesia? of course, you would never consent to surgery since they can't prove to you that your excruciating belly pain is from your infected appendix rupturing.
please stop writing everything in bold text.
I will not agree with you saying what I believe and what I don't believe in order to fit your point. In regards to your hypothetical where you say the child gets a fever, and this starts a whole chain of events... let me ask you, what was the cause of the fever?
You speak of effects, I speak of causes. The causes are what is never seen in disease. Cavities are easily cured by fillings. Bacteria serves a purpose to decompose matter, as it must return to dust for new matter to be formed. Your body has the force of decomposition acting on it consistently, it is a constant chemical change going on, however that does not cause disease. There are events where there is no dispute about what caused the pain, the burn, the broken bone, etc. Then there are "diseases" where the cause is never seen because it is spiritual, in the mind.
If you understand how thoughts form into beliefs and affect the mind which in turn affects the neurotransmitters or fluids of the body which in turn affect the physical matter of your body, than you would understand and take responsibility for every word and every thought you will to accept and share with the world. If you can invent things through your mind and shadow them forth into the natural world outside the body, whats stopping you from affecting your body with an invention of the medical faculty called "disease"? Where is the limit on how much the mind can do?
I wash my hands and bathe to clean myself for purpose of being clean, not to prevent any so called "disease". If you clean the outside of your body to prevent disease, why do you not clean your mind of the dirt that affects your happiness?
Take a look at this article in regards to how it may appear that medicine of itself helps when in fact it is the patients belief:
http://endofdiseases.com/file/is_there_any_curative_quality_in_medicine.html
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
I already replied to you, I will only address people who are genuine and sincere in understanding what I am saying.
You are talking about the Law of attraction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction) .Its easy to understand but hard to practice.
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking of mind being matter which is directed by our beliefs (opinions) or wisdom (Science, Truth), and the effect on the body shows which is in control. Disease is a bad effect, it cannot be wisdom, but must be an error. To correct an error one must apply a science. The science is what I speak of, not the law of attraction, but the separation between Truth and Error for happiness of man.
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I think you are using the word "science" wrong.
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I think you are using the word "science" wrong.
How would you define the word science in the right way?
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I think you are using the word "science" wrong.
How would you define the word science in the right way?
1) Observe phenomenon.
2) Formulate hypothesis as to cause and nature of phenomenon.
3) Conduct controlled experiments to confirm or reject hypothesis. Repeat experiments numerous times by others.
4) Set forth theory for the observed phenomenon based on the experimental results.
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
I already replied to you, I will only address people who are genuine and sincere in understanding what I am saying.
You are talking about the Law of attraction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction) .Its easy to understand but hard to practice.
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking of mind being matter which is directed by our beliefs (opinions) or wisdom (Science, Truth), and the effect on the body shows which is in control. Disease is a bad effect, it cannot be wisdom, but must be an error. To correct an error one must apply a science. The science is what I speak of, not the law of attraction, but the separation between Truth and Error for happiness of man.
Death happens .There is no error in this statement.You cannot change the outcome of this no matter how much you love yourself.From the sounds of things you love yourself fairly regulary.
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Kvitka, would you let a surgeon do surgery on you without sterilizing the instruments?
I already replied to you, I will only address people who are genuine and sincere in understanding what I am saying.
But I am pure at heart. Why must my pursuit of knowledge be cut short by you?
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"My son, 11 yr, was diagnosed with swine flu on friday. Started him on Tamiflu about 7 pm and everything was fine. About 11:30 that night, he woke up screaming. He didn't know where he was and thought everyone was dead. He kept saying he was sorry and he didn't want to die. He was also talking like a 3 year old - didn't make any sense. We called the dr and she thought it was just hallucinations from the flu but his fever wasn't high so she wanted to look it up in her book. Called back about 2 minutes late and said it was from the Tamiflu. The very last side affect listed was delirium and self injury especially in children. It was basically like a mental breakdown. It lasted for about an hour and we finally calmed him down and he came out of it. Needless to say, my other boys or myself will be taking Tamiflu or the swine flu vaccination."
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I just learned about an hour ago that my cousin in Texas has been diagnosed with swine flu. :(
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"My son, 11 yr, was diagnosed with swine flu on friday. Started him on Tamiflu about 7 pm and everything was fine. About 11:30 that night, he woke up screaming. He didn't know where he was and thought everyone was dead. He kept saying he was sorry and he didn't want to die. He was also talking like a 3 year old - didn't make any sense. We called the dr and she thought it was just hallucinations from the flu but his fever wasn't high so she wanted to look it up in her book. Called back about 2 minutes late and said it was from the Tamiflu. The very last side affect listed was delirium and self injury especially in children. It was basically like a mental breakdown. It lasted for about an hour and we finally calmed him down and he came out of it. Needless to say, my other boys or myself will be taking Tamiflu or the swine flu vaccination."
BJ, who is this quoting? The last sentence was missing at least one word and was somewhat confusing.
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A forum. And you can fill in the missing obvious words.