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Title: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 08, 2007, 12:18:58 AM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:26:07 AM
Are you a chick?  If yes, I agree completely.  If not, don't be a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 12:31:52 AM
Women are important to libertarianism. As it stands, each libertarian woman could have a harem of fifty or so libertarian men. Makes the wimminfolk a bit of a high demand commodity. (Not in the literal ownership sense, Ok? Don't get all PMS on us.*)






* Aw shit, that's two boo boos.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: mbd on March 08, 2007, 12:32:51 AM
Important to radio, too. Women are more valuable to advertisers.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 08, 2007, 12:33:22 AM
As a big fan of free markets & free association, I applaud your efforts to begin a shrine tailored to your interests. As a non-blue-eyed person, I will be ineligible for your private club. If anyone wants to start an alternative for other eye shades, let me know.

As for all the ethnic/age/sexual orientation/religious versions, should be fun to see the combos.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 12:34:41 AM
Minarchy@hotmail.com... wish I could have grabbed that.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 12:36:34 AM
As a big fan of free markets & free association, I applaud your efforts to begin a shrine tailored to your interests. As a non-blue-eyed person, I will be ineligible for your private club. If anyone wants to start an alternative for other eye shades, let me know.

As for all the ethnic/age/sexual orientation/religious versions, should be fun to see the combos.

What color eyes do you have, Joy?  Because I'm starting the shrine for women with brown eyes. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:36:50 AM
How about a Jew shrine?  Remember what happened last time someone thought my people were special?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 08, 2007, 12:39:02 AM
As a big fan of free markets & free association, I applaud your efforts to begin a shrine tailored to your interests. As a non-blue-eyed person, I will be ineligible for your private club. If anyone wants to start an alternative for other eye shades, let me know.

As for all the ethnic/age/sexual orientation/religious versions, should be fun to see the combos.

What color eyes do you have, Joy?  Because I'm starting the shrine for women with brown eyes. 

You do realize you just posted "brown eyes" on a bbs full of guys. This will end, if not badly, at least in 3rd grade bathroom jokes.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 12:41:35 AM
You do realize you just posted "brown eyes" on a bbs full of guys. This will end, if not badly, at least in 3rd grade bathroom jokes.

What do you mean? I don't understand.






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Poop?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 12:42:51 AM
As a big fan of free markets & free association, I applaud your efforts to begin a shrine tailored to your interests. As a non-blue-eyed person, I will be ineligible for your private club. If anyone wants to start an alternative for other eye shades, let me know.

As for all the ethnic/age/sexual orientation/religious versions, should be fun to see the combos.

What color eyes do you have, Joy?  Because I'm starting the shrine for women with brown eyes. 

You do realize you just posted "brown eyes" on a bbs full of guys. This will end, if not badly, at least in 3rd grade bathroom jokes.

Do you realize that everything I post elicits an out of the ordinary reaction from this BBS full of men? 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 12:44:15 AM
I'd like to add that i was just slapped in the back of the head for my last post.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 08, 2007, 12:45:03 AM
How about a Jew shrine?  Remember what happened last time someone thought my people were special?

We can break it down even further into sects - or those of jewish descent raised in mixed faith households who attended catholic schools, causing them to only be attracted to atheist men/women in adult life.

Wait! We should also specify left/right-handedness, and preference between crunchy or smooth peanut butter.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:45:50 AM
You do realize you just posted "brown eyes" on a bbs full of guys. This will end, if not badly, at least in 3rd grade bathroom jokes.

What do you mean? I don't understand.






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Poop?

You've never had a walk on the brown side?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 12:46:26 AM
People with six or more cats, please.

It would only take a couple levels of extrapolation and we'll be right back to individualism. No harm, no foul.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
You've never had a walk on the brown side?

*Gross stuff ahead*

If I saw a pile of shit on the ground, I wouldn't think of rubbing my penis on it.

When I see a sphincter, where said pile of shit is introduced to the world, I don't think of rubbing my penis there, either.

But I actually understood the post, I was just being feces... Uh, facetious.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:50:44 AM
How about a Jew shrine?  Remember what happened last time someone thought my people were special?

We can break it down even further into sects - or those of jewish descent raised in mixed faith households who attended catholic schools, causing them to only be attracted to atheist men/women in adult life.

Wait! We should also specify left/right-handedness, and preference between crunchy or smooth peanut butter.

Hitler didn't care what "sect" you came from.  Sephardics?  Die.  Ashkenazi?  Die.  Chasidic?  Die.  Those are just ethnic groups.  Reform, Orthodox, Conservative, DIE DIE DIE.  If you came from a mixed faith household, he just killed the other partner for contaminating the race. 

We all got the same special "validation."
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 08, 2007, 01:03:16 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:04:32 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.

Zing!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:11:16 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.

Would the often requested "Shrine of Male Listeners" help?

Frankly, I don't see the issue here. They have the shrine. They want the shrine. It's their shrine. I understand why you could construe sexism and so on, but there are babies on the shrine, for God's sake. Email Ian if you want to get rid of the shrine. I'm sure he'll be really receptive to your request.*




* Don't do this. He'll just be snarky with you.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:13:35 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.

Would the often requested "Shrine of Male Listeners" help?

Frankly, I don't see the issue here. They have the shrine. They want the shrine. It's their shrine. I understand why you could construe sexism and so on, but they're babies on the shrine, for God's sake. Email Ian if you want to get rid of the shrine. I'm sure he'll be really receptive to your request.*




* Don't do this. He'll just be snarky with you.

They're babies?!  Oh, I get it.  You don't understand contractions.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:14:19 AM
No, I just made a typo. Brat. And I've fixed it.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:15:45 AM
No, I just made a typo. Brat. And I've fixed it.

JAP*
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:16:35 AM
Hahahahahhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa, and you still got it wrong.  Priceless!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:17:29 AM
I'm a bit sensitive about typos. I'm one of the self ordained resident grammar Nazi type people around here. I hate the little fuckers and try to stamp them out as often as possible. Bad old typos.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:18:24 AM
Hahahahahhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa, and you still got it wrong.  Priceless!

I have no idea what you're talking about.

*Embarrassed*
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:19:27 AM
I'm a bit sensitive about typos. I'm one of the self ordained resident grammar Nazi type people around here. I hate the little fuckers and try to stamp them out as often as possible. Bad old typos.

But you can't even fix your own!  Come on, man.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:20:08 AM
Are you seriously hassling me, or just ribbing me a bit?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:20:47 AM
Hey, you finally got it!  I feel like I should call you grasshopper or some shit.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:21:23 AM
That was not an answer.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:22:49 AM
Are you seriously hassling me, or just ribbing me a bit?

I like to think of it as mentoring.  I'm strict about grammar.  If you can't type like an adult, I don't treat you like one.

You're a cool guy, but I will not tolerate your typos!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.

First of all, the pictures are not rated.  That would produce a lot of hurt feelings and pissed off women.  Second, nobody forced us to submit our pictures.  We all did it upon our own volition.  Low self-esteem?  Because we submitted pictures to prove that we as women listen to talk radio?  Specifically this talk radio show? 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:23:44 AM
That was not an answer.

Dang!  Give me time to respond.  You're not the only thing I have going on!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:24:45 AM
Are you seriously hassling me, or just ribbing me a bit?

I like to think of it as mentoring.  I'm strict about grammar.  If you can't type like an adult, I don't treat you like one.

You're a cool guy, but I will not tolerate your typos!

Well, it's (Contraction) a damned good thing that your tolerance is not a prerequisite for my continued participation in the conversation, B. Bratticus Brattenstein. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:26:30 AM
Are you seriously hassling me, or just ribbing me a bit?

I like to think of it as mentoring.  I'm strict about grammar.  If you can't type like an adult, I don't treat you like one.

You're a cool guy, but I will not tolerate your typos!

Well, it's (Contraction) a damned good thing that your tolerance is not a prerequisite for my continued participation in the conversation, B. Bratticus Brattenstein. 

Or is it?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:27:17 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:28:45 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.

Oh god, now you're all offended.  What a sensi.  Am I going to have to bust out the neo-nazi/high school story?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 01:30:40 AM
Do you wear a huge sign that says "I'm a Jew" by any chance?   :P
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:31:58 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.

Oh god, now you're all offended.  What a sensi.  Am I going to have to bust out the neo-nazi/high school story?

Um, offended? No. Terse, abrupt, concise. Not offended. Silly rabbit. What do I have to be offended about? You're just picking on me. I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit. And I don't know what these Nazi folk are doing in the conversation, but I'm sure that they're not necessary.

As for high school, It's been fifteen years for me. I'm certain that I can't relate.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: sillyperson on March 08, 2007, 01:33:09 AM
I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit.
:lol:  +1   :lol:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:33:45 AM
I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit.
:lol:  +1   :lol:

I'm just saying is all...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Gordee on March 08, 2007, 01:44:37 AM
Maybe Shrine FAQ can help you understand why Ian started the Shrine of Female listeners
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=369.0

But here is it's purpose:

Much of "traditional" talk radio doesn't have much of an amount of female listeners. On Free Talk Live, we're proud of our female listeners, and simply want to show them off to Program Directors, and other listeners. As you may know, female callers come first on Free Talk Live.

I've also heard, probably on the show, that the Shrine is used for advertisment purposes (whatever that means).

Personally, the Shrine doesn't have any importance to me, and saying that it serves to show off women, it's pretty silly. It reminds me of a rich old guy, who wants to show off his young (probably blond) wife :P I wonder why there is no Shrine of Senior Listeners or of Black Listeners. I also disagree that female callers come first. But, as John Shaw said, "They have the shrine. They want the shrine. It's their shrine." If you don't appreciate that part of FTL, you may simply accept it, because there are other good and more important things about FTL.

What's funny to me is the validation of a shriner (a sign with FTL on it). How does that prove that a woman is really a listener? I seriously doubt all shriners listen to FTL.

However, I don't believe that women who post photos necessarily have low self-esteem.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:47:15 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.

Oh god, now you're all offended.  What a sensi.  Am I going to have to bust out the neo-nazi/high school story?

Um, offended? No. Terse, abrupt, concise. Not offended. Silly rabbit. What do I have to be offended about? You're just picking on me. I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit. And I don't know what these Nazi folk are doing in the conversation, but I'm sure that they're not necessary.

As for high school, It's been fifteen years for me. I'm certain that I can't relate.

No, I use the nazi/high school story on people who get all uppity about dumb things.  Exempli causa, a "lady" with "Property of Ryan" emblazened on her ass got all mad when I said it was stupid.  Her reasons for me being wrong were, a) they were married and b) they owned a tattoo shop together.  After conceding that marriages never end and places never go out of business, I told her about a neo-nazi I went to high school with who had a penchant for writing "toten Jude" on my locker and threatening to kill me.  Then I told her how I didn't kill myself, cry for weeks, transfer to another school or press charges for harrassment.  Rather, I moved on with my life and urged the school to get him for vandalism, because their property rights and his right to hate Jews are more important than my hurt feelings. 

I like to think I'm both a teacher and a bitch.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:53:08 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.

Oh god, now you're all offended.  What a sensi.  Am I going to have to bust out the neo-nazi/high school story?

Um, offended? No. Terse, abrupt, concise. Not offended. Silly rabbit. What do I have to be offended about? You're just picking on me. I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit. And I don't know what these Nazi folk are doing in the conversation, but I'm sure that they're not necessary.

As for high school, It's been fifteen years for me. I'm certain that I can't relate.

No, I use the nazi/high school story on people who get all uppity about dumb things.  Exempli causa, a "lady" with "Property of Ryan" emblazened on her ass got all mad when I said it was stupid.  Her reasons for me being wrong were, a) they were married and b) they owned a tattoo shop together.  After conceding that marriages never end and places never go out of business, I told her about a neo-nazi I went to high school with who had a penchant for writing "toten Jude" on my locker and threatening to kill me.  Then I told her how I didn't kill myself, cry for weeks, transfer to another school or press charges for harrassment.  Rather, I moved on with my life and urged the school to get him for vandalism, because their property rights and his right to hate Jews are more important than my hurt feelings. 

I like to think I'm both a teacher and a bitch.

You got your superiority complex in my peanut butter!
I kid, I kid. The issue here is your mistaken assumption that I was getting "uppity". I was razzing you just as much. While I admit that I can be obtuse, I'd have thought that that was obvious. As for you being the wise and powerful instructor, well, I gave up after my masters and I don't want to learn anything else. I'm totally close minded and will scoff at anything said by a person younger than me. In summation: Get off my lawn!

;-)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:55:47 AM
Or is it?

Pretty sure. Yep.

Oh god, now you're all offended.  What a sensi.  Am I going to have to bust out the neo-nazi/high school story?

Um, offended? No. Terse, abrupt, concise. Not offended. Silly rabbit. What do I have to be offended about? You're just picking on me. I'm married, for fuck's sake. I can handle being picked on a bit. And I don't know what these Nazi folk are doing in the conversation, but I'm sure that they're not necessary.

As for high school, It's been fifteen years for me. I'm certain that I can't relate.

No, I use the nazi/high school story on people who get all uppity about dumb things.  Exempli causa, a "lady" with "Property of Ryan" emblazened on her ass got all mad when I said it was stupid.  Her reasons for me being wrong were, a) they were married and b) they owned a tattoo shop together.  After conceding that marriages never end and places never go out of business, I told her about a neo-nazi I went to high school with who had a penchant for writing "toten Jude" on my locker and threatening to kill me.  Then I told her how I didn't kill myself, cry for weeks, transfer to another school or press charges for harrassment.  Rather, I moved on with my life and urged the school to get him for vandalism, because their property rights and his right to hate Jews are more important than my hurt feelings. 

I like to think I'm both a teacher and a bitch.

You got your superiority complex in my peanut butter!
I kid, I kid. The issue here is your mistaken assumption that I was getting "uppity". I was razzing you just as much. While I admit that I can be obtuse, I'd have thought that that was obvious. As for you being the wise and powerful instructor, well, I gave up after my masters and I don't want to learn anything else. I'm totally close minded and will scoff at anything said by a person younger than me. In summation: Get off my lawn!

;-)

Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 01:59:29 AM
Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)

It's all in good fun. Like electrolysis or body waxing. :-P
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:00:50 AM
You can tell John's offended.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:01:10 AM
Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)

It's all in good fun. Like electrolysis or body waxing. :-P

I don't find body waxing painful or unpleasant.  I have it done every three weeks.  To my butthole.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:02:13 AM
You can tell John's offended.

Aw yeah, I'm all bent outta shape and stuff.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:02:41 AM
Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)

It's all in good fun. Like electrolysis or body waxing. :-P

I don't find body waxing painful or unpleasant.  I have it done every three weeks.  To my butthole.

Is that bleaching thing involved too? Ew.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)

It's all in good fun. Like electrolysis or body waxing. :-P

I don't find body waxing painful or unpleasant.  I have it done every three weeks.  To my butthole.

Is that bleaching thing involved too? Ew.

No, it's just part of a Brazillian.  I have a perfect pink ruby starfruit, thank you.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:03:53 AM
Hahaha, you condescending motherfucker.  (I have a friend who often calls me "Ms. Pot".)

It's all in good fun. Like electrolysis or body waxing. :-P

I don't find body waxing painful or unpleasant.  I have it done every three weeks.  To my butthole.

That is so fucking hot...I've got such an unrelenting hard-on right now.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:04:35 AM
So have we sufficiently broken this thread?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:05:30 AM
From the ills of Free Talk Live to my ass.  Perfect.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:06:16 AM
From the ills of Free Talk Live to my ass.  Perfect.

Pix?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:06:19 AM
Hey, the conversation goes where it goes, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:07:04 AM
From the ills of Free Talk Live to my ass.  Perfect.

Pix?


(http://wwwc.men4sexnow.com/photos/1040k/W/150x150/ahothairyhole4u_600PUB_53156.jpg)


Edit: This is NOT me.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:08:11 AM
From the ills of Free Talk Live to my ass.  Perfect.

Pix?


(http://wwwc.men4sexnow.com/photos/1040k/W/150x150/ahothairyhole4u_600PUB_53156.jpg)


Edit: This is NOT me.

If I ever see you I'm going to punch you right in the jaw for this.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:10:21 AM
If I ever see you I'm going to punch you right in the jaw for this.

Did I break your boner or something? *High five!!*
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:11:27 AM
If I ever see you I'm going to punch you right in the jaw for this.

Did I break your boner or something? *High five!!*

Yes. I don't like losing a boner.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:11:43 AM
There's my cue to leave!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:12:37 AM
If I ever see you I'm going to punch you right in the jaw for this.

Did I break your boner or something? *High five!!*

Yes. I don't like losing a boner.

You can never loose what is always a part of you. ;-)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 02:13:16 AM
There's my cue to leave!

Goodnight, sweet princess! May your rest be interrupted by small language gnomes.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 02:13:54 AM
Hooray.   :x
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:13:59 AM
There's my cue to leave!

No please don't...I'll give you money if you stay.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:20:28 AM
There's my cue to leave!

No please don't...I'll give you money if you stay.

Alright.  My paypal is jane.feet at gmail dot com.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:21:33 AM
There's my cue to leave!

No please don't...I'll give you money if you stay.

Alright.  My paypal is jane.feet at gmail dot com.

Cool, I'll send it in a few.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 02:22:00 AM
There's my cue to leave!

No please don't...I'll give you money if you stay.

Alright.  My paypal is jane.feet at gmail dot com.

Cool, I'll send it in a few.

$300.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 02:38:21 AM
There's my cue to leave!

No please don't...I'll give you money if you stay.

Alright.  My paypal is jane.feet at gmail dot com.

Cool, I'll send it in a few.

$300.

I'm not rich...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 08, 2007, 03:02:39 AM
Oh great, now I'm going to have to go look at naked pictures of Bjork.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 03:07:11 AM
The shrine is cool.  It proves that there are women who think this way.

I think it's definately important to illustrate women belong to this demographic.  Check the ratio of BBS members, its maybe 6:1 in favor of guys.  Thats fucked up, because I would consider women to be approximately half of the population, plus or minus a percentage point.  In reality. 

Then, with the odds stacked against them (and half of them don't even post here anymore, the stats are skewed), women tend to make a lot of sense.  So, you've got maybe a dozen women, and a couple hundred guys, all posting.  Yet the women are consistantly on topic, composed, precise.  And they've got nice things to look at.

I really don't see the problem.

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 03:23:25 AM
The shrine is cool.  It proves that there are women who think this way.

I think it's definately important to illustrate women belong to this demographic.  Check the ratio of BBS members, its maybe 6:1 in favor of guys.  Thats fucked up, because I would consider women to be approximately half of the population, plus or minus a percentage point.  In reality. 

Then, with the odds stacked against them (and half of them don't even post here anymore, the stats are skewed), women tend to make a lot of sense.  So, you've got maybe a dozen women, and a couple hundred guys, all posting.  Yet the women are consistantly on topic, composed, precise.  And they've got nice things to look at.

I really don't see the problem.



I think the testosterone surge that happens every time a female member signs up and posts is enough to turn them off.  I know, women are nice.  I like women too, but there's nothing more creepy than "ZOMFG A FEMALE!  LET'S GET HER!" when you try to engage in actual discussion.  I've pretty much given up on being cerebral here.  Nobody really cares. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 03:30:29 AM
I think the testosterone surge that happens every time a female member signs up and posts is enough to turn them off.  I know, women are nice.  I like women too, but there's nothing more creepy than "ZOMFG A FEMALE!  LET'S GET HER!" when you try to engage in actual discussion.  I've pretty much given up on being cerebral here.  Nobody really cares. 

Bah! Some of us care! We've already had all the sex drive beaten out of us, but we're here alright.

Linzamatic the Banninator! Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A !!!!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 03:35:02 AM
I think the testosterone surge that happens every time a female member signs up and posts is enough to turn them off.  I know, women are nice.  I like women too, but there's nothing more creepy than "ZOMFG A FEMALE!  LET'S GET HER!" when you try to engage in actual discussion.  I've pretty much given up on being cerebral here.  Nobody really cares. 

Bah! Some of us care! We've already had all the sex drive beaten out of us, but we're here alright.

Linzamatic the Banninator! Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A !!!!

Very few get +3|-| B4|\||\|||\|4+|0|\|.  That makes my brain cry, and I think I had a small stroke while typing it. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 03:44:29 AM
I think the testosterone surge that happens every time a female member signs up and posts is enough to turn them off.  I know, women are nice.  I like women too, but there's nothing more creepy than "ZOMFG A FEMALE!  LET'S GET HER!" when you try to engage in actual discussion.  I've pretty much given up on being cerebral here.  Nobody really cares. 

Bah! Some of us care! We've already had all the sex drive beaten out of us, but we're here alright.

Linzamatic the Banninator! Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A !!!!

Very few get +3|-| B4|\||\|||\|4+|0|\|.  That makes my brain cry, and I think I had a small stroke while typing it. 

Yeah, but you ban the right ones. And don't break your brain. It's the sexiest part of you. (The was an esteem building comment.)
But seriously, while a lot of the guys here see a female member, and start playing with their male member, is it really that different than anywhere else on teh intarweb? The only difference I see is that the quality of what few women do come around is much higher.

Another thing that I think makes women scarce, is that not many of them like to fight. My wife is a dyed in the wool, anti gummint gun toting whackjob. She absolutely refuses to talk politics online. She has a lot less stress than I do. Somebody in the equation is a little smarter than someone else here.

In summation: Linz is a badass mama looking for a little justice in an unjust world. That world is about to change! *Cue Linz Soundtrack* Chakka Boom! chakka chakka!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 08, 2007, 03:45:31 AM
So the board's overrun with stupid people who are obsessed with their own asses. So what? :)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 04:00:15 AM
Jesus Christ, John.  You have a wife, we get it! 

Here's every single John Shaw post, in a nutshell:

"Hay guise, politics, rambling, I have a wife, lame jokes, seriously, I have a wife, typo, politics, computer, DAMNIT, I HAVE A WIFE!"
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:01:49 AM
Jesus Christ, John.  You have a wife, we get it! 

Here's every single John Shaw post, in a nutshell:

"Hay guise, politics, rambling, I have a wife, lame jokes, seriously, I have a wife, typo, politics, computer, DAMNIT, I HAVE A WIFE!"

Wow, now you're being a total ass. Congrats on that.

And what shall we say about your posts? "Nasty shit, rudeness, really lame non-jokes, I'm a bitch, fuck you, I'm superior just cuz, let's talk down to people, I think I've just successfully trolled John Sh... Aw shit."
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 04:06:22 AM
Whaddya expect from a dyke jew bitch?

Except for some bangin doggie style?

So what, its not like she doesnt know how to do that.  Every bitch does. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 04:08:06 AM
 :roll:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 04:08:25 AM
That sounded like Gump. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:08:32 AM
Whaddya expect from a dyke jew bitch?

Except for some bangin doggie style?

So what, its not like she doesnt know how to do that.  Every bitch does. 

While I appreciate the support, I don't think throwing around the whole Jew thing is so great. It isn't like she doesn't already do that herself.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 04:09:58 AM
She likes it.  She throws the jew card.  I wouldnt if she didnt. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:11:17 AM
She likes it.  She throws the jew card.  I wouldnt if she didnt. 

I see. Is she the self hating variety, or the forever persecuted, but living in the U.S. and not Israel variety?

Edit: This post is not about Jews. It's about Bratty McBratbrat. Leave the fucking Jews alone already.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 04:20:31 AM
Shes here, ask her.

 

That sounds fucked up, but I'm just communicating right now.

Shes a chick from Ohio.  Likes to rock - roll.  Janepuke.  Shes aight, sometimes.  Except for that jew thing.  And being a douchebag.  But other than that.  dunno. 

There was an emoticon with eyes rolling, so maybe she ditched penis and switched teams completly, and also lost her sense of humor... 

Sometimes its hard to tell. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:24:18 AM
Shes here, ask her.

I find that talking about someone when they're right in front of you pisses them off to no end. So I asked you. ;-)
Seems to me that she likes to pick fights with her not so venomous wit. (Maybe a little venomous, I guess. Should never pick on my love and affection for my wife, just because she's a man hater.)

Figured I'd slip another reference to my wife in there, just for kicks.

:-P

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 04:25:53 AM
I'm not keen on that variety of sex jokes, so I shant be participating.  Sorry.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:27:14 AM
I'm not keen on that variety of sex jokes, so I shant be participating.  Sorry.

Must be talking to Billy. Gotcha. By the way, it's shan't. LEARN YOUR DAMNED CONTRACTIONS!

:-P
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 04:33:31 AM
I'm not keen on that variety of sex jokes, so I shant be participating.  Sorry.

Which variety?

Just so I'm crystal clear. 

I would like to know, because if I've said something offensive, please tell me.  No joke. 

Explain. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 08, 2007, 04:35:27 AM
Oooo....a fight that doesn't involve me.

::grabs some popcorn::

funny, I was talking to someone earlier about this thread. ;)  I'll throw my two cents in for no reason other than to be completely asinine...although after being a total ass to Brasky I don't know if I should:

++[LONG NOVEL - Plenty of fomatting - Multi-colored if possible - here's the noose]++

Japan, Japan, Japan! 

I have a fiance. She's Japanese. My fiance is teh Hawt! ....did I mention I have a fiance and she's japanese?

::tilt to the left::

...next time, Gadget.  Next time.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 04:37:39 AM
I'm not keen on that variety of sex jokes, so I shant be participating.  Sorry.

Which variety?

Just so I'm crystal clear. 

I would like to know, because if I've said something offensive, please tell me.  No joke. 

Explain. 

My I interject? I believe it may have been a reference to your comment about "Banging Doggystyle". Mayhap being of a more, shall we say, masculine temperament, she would prefer a less brutish term.

Some alternatives:

Fake butthumping
Leaping Frog Technique
The Classic
The Beer Can Cradle Method.

I hope this helps.


Edit:
I have a wife.

(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/DaWife2.JPG)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 05:04:41 AM
Oooo....a fight that doesn't involve me.

::grabs some popcorn::

funny, I was talking to someone earlier about this thread. ;)  I'll throw my two cents in for no reason other than to be completely asinine...although after being a total ass to Brasky I don't know if I should:

++[LONG NOVEL - Plenty of fomatting - Multi-colored if possible - here's the noose]++

Japan, Japan, Japan! 

I have a fiance. She's Japanese. My fiance is teh Hawt! ....did I mention I have a fiance and she's japanese?

::tilt to the left::

...next time, Gadget.  Next time.

I'm gonna condense about a million years of days into six words.  Its allright to be an asshole.

I would define "asshole" in the proper context, because when I say "asshole", a few people would say "he called you an asshole?"

Then those few people would talk amongst themselves.  Its all in the timber of the voice.  I'm saying, in person.

You know what the funniest part is?

There are many people who are unworthy of being called an asshole.



Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 05:10:17 AM

I'm gonna condense about a million years of days into six words.  Its allright to be an asshole.

I would define "asshole" in the proper context, because when I say "asshole", a few people would say "he called you an asshole?"

Then those few people would talk amongst themselves.  Its all in the timber of the voice.  I'm saying, in person.

You know what the funniest part is?

There are many people who are unworthy of being called an asshole.


***Ghostofbj***
Shut up asshole.
***End of BJ***

He's not here, so I did it.


Edit: My wife says goodnight.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 08, 2007, 05:12:07 AM
Sure.

So am I an "asshole" or am I an "asshole"?

I can't be a total asshole, though.....I live in Japan, and my fiance is Japanese.

I have pictures.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 05:15:57 AM
Sure.

So am I an "asshole" or am I an "asshole"?

I can't be a total asshole, though.....I live in Japan, and my fiance is Japanese.

I have pictures.

Pictures of your future wife? Interesting. Did you know that I have a... *Door Kicked* Kathud! *Muffled whining* Kwathwack!! *Keys clicking* ...Wife? She's great. The great thing about wives is when they marry you, and you're married and have a wife. Wives are great I tell ya. It's like a woman who lives with you and has sex and stuff. Wow, do I have a great wife. Sometimes I tell her, "Wife, did you know how grateful I am to have you?" and she sez "I'm just glad to be your wife, John."









Wife.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 05:21:01 AM
John is not an asshole.

Celestrian is not an Asshole.

And if you would like to know what BJ is, ask him. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 05:22:09 AM
John is not an asshole.

Ah, but am I unworthy?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 05:24:39 AM
Sure.

So am I an "asshole" or am I an "asshole"?

I can't be a total asshole, though.....I live in Japan, and my fiance is Japanese.

I have pictures.

Pictures of your future wife? Interesting. Did you know that I have a... *Door Kicked* Kathud! *Muffled whining* Kwathwack!! *Keys clicking* ...Wife? She's great. The great thing about wives is when they marry you, and you're married and have a wife. Wives are great I tell ya. It's like a woman who lives with you and has sex and stuff. Wow, do I have a great wife. Sometimes I tell her, "Wife, did you know how grateful I am to have you?" and she sez "I'm just glad to be your wife, John."









Wife.

She didn't do that.

Yer lyin. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 05:28:03 AM
John is not an asshole.

Ah, but am I unworthy?

Just because I said you werent an asshole didnt mean you arent an Asshole. 

Grow some balls dude.  Yeah baby, youre pretty. 

Hold my belt loop. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 05:28:26 AM

She didn't do that.

Yer lyin. 

Nah, it's called "Creating" much cooler word than lying. My wife told me so. Have I mentioned my wife? I think I'll end the wife comments here, not because I don't enjoy them but because I have to sleep. When I wake up I'm sure we'll be able to talk about my wife in more detail.

Goodnight all! May the Wives wifeyness ride into wifedom on the great wife of wifitude!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 08, 2007, 05:29:43 AM
Just because I said you werent an asshole didnt mean you arent an Asshole. 

Grow some balls dude.  Yeah baby, youre pretty. 

Hold my belt loop. 

Now I understand. Sorta like Smurf talk.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 08, 2007, 05:41:19 AM
I donno how we got on the subject of wives, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't on account of me. 

I had a wife once.  Worst goddamn mistake I ever made. 

So, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention "wives" for shits and giggles. 

Asshole. 

And thats in the beginning of a sentance, so don't go trying to figure it out.  Asshole.  Haha.  Did it again. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 08, 2007, 06:02:40 AM
I didn't bring up wives, because in Japan they're not called wives, they're called "tsuma" or the more common, "oku-sans."  Rest assured, had I brought up wives it would have been under the proper cultural references of where I currently live, which is Japan.

I do have a fiance, though, which in Japanese is konyakusha, which sounds and aweful lot like konyaku, which is a kind of japanese food that is famous in Gunma, the part of Japan I live.

My Konyakusha is not Konyaku though.

I have pictures to prove this.

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: YixilTesiphon on March 08, 2007, 08:40:08 AM
Back on topic...the Shrine is around to make advertisers recognize that FTL has female listeners, and they should pay FTL more money because of this. I wish Ian would explain this on the show to make it less awkward-sounding, but whatever. The Shrine is clearly not a "z0mg BOOBIES" thing. This is the INTERNET. If somebody just wanted to see boobies, they could within five seconds.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 08, 2007, 10:34:16 AM
How old are you, again?

FTL has a website with women's pictures, that you then rate and/or discuss ad naseum here on the BBS. This isn't HotRock 99 FM. This isn't the Keene HS Libertarian Club. This is a great show with great potential. But the Shrine will hold it back.

It's immature, it serves no purpose but to tittilate the men and to convey some sense of acceptance for the women who actually submit their picture, meaning she has low self-esteem anyway, and it just perpetuates the low self-esteem. I would rather be judged by my ideas, not my freakin' picture.

Clearly, FTL is a great show, but the cheesy Shrine has got to go. It makes it hard to take anything seriously that is discussed on FTL or the BBS.

Not that all you kids are taking this seriously, anyway.

I'm on the shrine, and I have extremely high self esteem. The Shrine serves a purpose - so program directors know ladies listen to the show. Ladies are rare in both talk radio, and libertarianism; who cares if Free Talk Live wants to show them off. Personally, I sent my picture in because I like FTL.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 08, 2007, 11:39:47 AM
If I were an advertiser, I'd take one look at the Shrine and think..."Hm. Look...all of 30 or 40 female listeners...some covering their tits. Eh. Weelll, I don't think my product will work here."

Please.

The Shrine needs to go if FTL is going to get anywhere as big as Rush and Neil. They don't have shrines. They have female listeners. It's dumb to think that if the Shrine wasn't on the web site that no one would think women listen. OF COURSE they do.

Did any of you graduate from Collidge...er, college? Your business model is flawed if you think half-naked women will appeal to advertisers that buy ads on a political talk show, let alone give your political movement any credibility.

The Shrine itself is self-defeating because it only shows the women that send a photo in, not the thousands that listen to FTL. Who's to say that an advertiser wouldn't think, "Gee, I thought you had more female listeners than this...but if this is it, and hey...some of them are showing tittie, well, I guess they probably don't think too hard about buying stuff, let alone politics."

It doesn't prove anything regarding female demographics for the show. Nothing. It's Ian's little homage to Phil Hendrie, who I love, and who had a really funny show. But this is politics, not prank phone calls.

Perhaps when you all are much older, say 27 or 28, you'll feel differently about this.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theghostofbj on March 08, 2007, 11:48:00 AM

I'm gonna condense about a million years of days into six words.  Its allright to be an asshole.

I would define "asshole" in the proper context, because when I say "asshole", a few people would say "he called you an asshole?"

Then those few people would talk amongst themselves.  Its all in the timber of the voice.  I'm saying, in person.

You know what the funniest part is?

There are many people who are unworthy of being called an asshole.


***Ghostofbj***
Shut up asshole.
***End of BJ***

He's not here, so I did it.


Edit: My wife says goodnight.

I read the bottom of the post first, and didn't think that's how I would reply. But as I read the quote, I was like...whoa.

Although I would have been a bit more polite and said "Be quiet, asshole."
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theghostofbj on March 08, 2007, 11:49:16 AM
I'm not keen on that variety of sex jokes, so I shant be participating.  Sorry.

Don't be a funt.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 08, 2007, 11:56:06 AM
Lookit, people DO "rate" the ladies here...the MOST visited thread in the "shrine" topics is....(drumroll)

FAVORITE SHRINER. Hands down. And somebody posted a POLL right on top.

Oink oink.

"How would I know which one is my favorite? I don't know what their views are...oh...I guess I'm just supposed to rate their physical appearance."

OINK.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theghostofbj on March 08, 2007, 11:59:05 AM
Did I break your boner or something? *High five!!*

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9194/dscf0788lw4.jpg)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 12:11:00 PM

Hitler didn't care what "sect" you came from.  Sephardics?  Die.  Ashkenazi?  Die.  Chasidic?  Die.  Those are just ethnic groups.  Reform, Orthodox, Conservative, DIE DIE DIE.  If you came from a mixed faith household, he just killed the other partner for contaminating the race. 

We all got the same special "validation."
Sorry, but he didn't just kill them all. They made good slave workers.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:15:46 PM
If I were an advertiser, I'd take one look at the Shrine and think..."Hm. Look...all of 30 or 40 female listeners...some covering their tits. Eh. Weelll, I don't think my product will work here."

Please.

The Shrine needs to go if FTL is going to get anywhere as big as Rush and Neil. They don't have shrines. They have female listeners. It's dumb to think that if the Shrine wasn't on the web site that no one would think women listen. OF COURSE they do.

Did any of you graduate from Collidge...er, college? Your business model is flawed if you think half-naked women will appeal to advertisers that buy ads on a political talk show, let alone give your political movement any credibility.

The Shrine itself is self-defeating because it only shows the women that send a photo in, not the thousands that listen to FTL. Who's to say that an advertiser wouldn't think, "Gee, I thought you had more female listeners than this...but if this is it, and hey...some of them are showing tittie, well, I guess they probably don't think too hard about buying stuff, let alone politics."

It doesn't prove anything regarding female demographics for the show. Nothing. It's Ian's little homage to Phil Hendrie, who I love, and who had a really funny show. But this is politics, not prank phone calls.

Perhaps when you all are much older, say 27 or 28, you'll feel differently about this.


loooooool

FTL doesn't have thousands of listeners TOTAL, let alone thousands of FEMALE listeners, you dumb woman.  Don't you have a sammich to make?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:19:48 PM

Hitler didn't care what "sect" you came from.  Sephardics?  Die.  Ashkenazi?  Die.  Chasidic?  Die.  Those are just ethnic groups.  Reform, Orthodox, Conservative, DIE DIE DIE.  If you came from a mixed faith household, he just killed the other partner for contaminating the race. 

We all got the same special "validation."
Sorry, but he didn't just kill them all. They made good slave workers.

Right, the sonderkommando.  You know what kind of work they did?  Killing or otherwise creating horrendous environments for other Jews.  And if they fucked up?  Die.  Whether he used them as slaves or not, he intended to stay in power and kill them all.  That was, after all, the final solution.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 12:24:38 PM


Right, the sonderkommando.  You know what kind of work they did?  Killing or otherwise creating horrendous environments for other Jews.  And if they fucked up?  Die.  Whether he used them as slaves or not, he intended to stay in power and kill them all.  That was, after all, the final solution.

Over 62 million people died during WWII. Jews are only a small percentage of that.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 12:44:53 PM
If I were an advertiser, I'd take one look at the Shrine and think..."Hm. Look...all of 30 or 40 female listeners...some covering their tits. Eh. Weelll, I don't think my product will work here."

Please.

The Shrine needs to go if FTL is going to get anywhere as big as Rush and Neil. They don't have shrines. They have female listeners. It's dumb to think that if the Shrine wasn't on the web site that no one would think women listen. OF COURSE they do.

Did any of you graduate from Collidge...er, college? Your business model is flawed if you think half-naked women will appeal to advertisers that buy ads on a political talk show, let alone give your political movement any credibility.

The Shrine itself is self-defeating because it only shows the women that send a photo in, not the thousands that listen to FTL. Who's to say that an advertiser wouldn't think, "Gee, I thought you had more female listeners than this...but if this is it, and hey...some of them are showing tittie, well, I guess they probably don't think too hard about buying stuff, let alone politics."

It doesn't prove anything regarding female demographics for the show. Nothing. It's Ian's little homage to Phil Hendrie, who I love, and who had a really funny show. But this is politics, not prank phone calls.

Perhaps when you all are much older, say 27 or 28, you'll feel differently about this.


So you're telling us you think Ian is going to turn 26 and have a revelation?  I believe he's 25 now, possibly 26 already.  We should begin preparation for the enlightenment.  And Mark, well...Mark is 35.  The revelation has come and gone.  What exactly do you want Ian, Mark, or us to do about it?  Would you like the shrine taken down?  Would you like women to stop submitting pictures of themselves sans-clothing?  What's the purpose here?  If you feel this strongly about the shrine, I suggest that you not visit the page or this forum on the BBS. 

I will say that I don't disagree with you completely.  You bring up a good question in regards to the advertisers.  I will then go ahead and reiterate that the shrine was started when the show was started - which was on a very low-watt FM station in Venice/Englewood/Sarasota Florida.  Pizza delivery people, locals, and kids from my high school and other surrounding schools listened.  It wasn't the demographic you hear now.  Furthermore, anyone with half a brain cell would realize that the shrine is selective representation of the women who listen to this show, so let's not judge the advertisers here.  It's...well, glaringly obvious that every woman who tunes in to Free Talk Live is not going submit her picture on the internet. 

Moving on, can we get off the fucking Jew thing?  Jews were (still are somewhat) an oppressed people -->  War  -->  Lots of dead Jews -->  No more Jews in concentration camps -->  Hitler dies -->  War over -->  World rebuilding  -->  Jane is a Jew -->  EVERYBODY PANIC!  Wait...what?

We get it.  I have a lot of respect for Jane for many different reasons.  I do not take issue with her in the slightest, save for the part where somebody, if not Jane herself, mentions that she is a Jew almost every time she posts.  Again I say, we get it. 

I'm white. 

Mack XI is black. 

mrapplecastle is some kinda Hispanic motherfucker. 

Cyro is from the UK.

aquabanianskakid is bisexual.

Taors is from Kentucky. 

John Shaw has a wife.

theCelestrian is currently residing in Japan, with his soon-to-be wife.  She has hair, a face, and a name.  She is Japanese.

Things are things most of us are aware of.  There's no need to wear a flashing sign that has a sensor and screams at you when you walk by. 

Everyone proceed with normal posting activity. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 08, 2007, 12:49:52 PM
Hmm....maybe a program director will see that there are good looking women that tend to call in and voice intelligent opinions, keeping more men and women listening, then invite them to the shrine, the mild chauvinism keeping men listening as well?

Duh.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
Hmm....maybe a program director will see that there are good looking women that tend to call in and voice intelligent opinions, keeping more men and women listening, then invite them to the shrine, the mild chauvinism keeping men listening as well?

Duh.

Be careful with that...logic, Ryan.  Someone's brain may asplode due to the overuse of logic by just about everyone in this thread. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 12:54:37 PM


Right, the sonderkommando.  You know what kind of work they did?  Killing or otherwise creating horrendous environments for other Jews.  And if they fucked up?  Die.  Whether he used them as slaves or not, he intended to stay in power and kill them all.  That was, after all, the final solution.

Over 62 million people died during WWII. Jews are only a small percentage of that.

I'm aware of the numbers.  If you are honestly disputing the fact that the Jews were specifically targeted, then you're just a nut.  Sure, Mengele had a midget Gypsy fetish, gays and lesbians had their own badges, but there's no question that the crux of Hitler's spiel was to kill the Jews.  It was a "Jews, etc." situation.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Gordee on March 08, 2007, 12:57:43 PM
Lindsey,
I wish you post more often longer comments like the one a few posts above (and for that one +1). They tend to be more interesting than short posts.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 01:00:59 PM
If you are honestly disputing the fact that the Jews were specifically targeted, then you're just a nut.
I didn't dispute that, but that doesn't mean I'm not a nut.

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but there's no question that the crux of Hitler's spiel was to kill the Jews.  It was a "Jews, etc." situation.
:lol:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:02:15 PM
If I were an advertiser, I'd take one look at the Shrine and think..."Hm. Look...all of 30 or 40 female listeners...some covering their tits. Eh. Weelll, I don't think my product will work here."

Please.

The Shrine needs to go if FTL is going to get anywhere as big as Rush and Neil. They don't have shrines. They have female listeners. It's dumb to think that if the Shrine wasn't on the web site that no one would think women listen. OF COURSE they do.

Did any of you graduate from Collidge...er, college? Your business model is flawed if you think half-naked women will appeal to advertisers that buy ads on a political talk show, let alone give your political movement any credibility.

The Shrine itself is self-defeating because it only shows the women that send a photo in, not the thousands that listen to FTL. Who's to say that an advertiser wouldn't think, "Gee, I thought you had more female listeners than this...but if this is it, and hey...some of them are showing tittie, well, I guess they probably don't think too hard about buying stuff, let alone politics."

It doesn't prove anything regarding female demographics for the show. Nothing. It's Ian's little homage to Phil Hendrie, who I love, and who had a really funny show. But this is politics, not prank phone calls.

Perhaps when you all are much older, say 27 or 28, you'll feel differently about this.


Moving on, can we get off the fucking Jew thing?  Jews were (still are somewhat) an oppressed people -->  War  -->  Lots of dead Jews -->  No more Jews in concentration camps -->  Hitler dies -->  War over -->  World rebuilding  -->  Jane is a Jew -->  EVERYBODY PANIC!  Wait...what?

We get it.  I have a lot of respect for Jane for many different reasons.  I do not take issue with her in the slightest, save for the part where somebody, if not Jane herself, mentions that she is a Jew almost every time she posts.  Again I say, we get it. 


Aww!  Yayyy, flattery.

I was trained to mention the Holocaust at the drop of a hat, Lindsey.  I'm a special kind of Jew, I come from a secular Jew who didn't believe in God or any of the Jewish bullshit and felt really, really guilty about it.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ladyattis on March 08, 2007, 01:09:09 PM
Hitler pwnt j00s.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself for being offensive and dumb at the same time.... :shock:

-- Bridget
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 01:13:04 PM
Lindsey,
I wish you post more often longer comments like the one a few posts above (and for that one +1). They tend to be more interesting than short posts.

Thank you Gordee.  I'm usually pretty short on time, so a large chunk of what is here gets ignored, unfortunately.  Right now I'm sitting here at my desk putting on makeup, because I'm getting ready to go to work here shortly, and reading a few posts.  I'm really going to try to delve back in to this beast and join the debating and such, like I used to. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 08, 2007, 01:18:58 PM
Just never forget, though the nazis wiped out a large segment of the jewish population, jews have carried out their own genocides, presumably commanded by god. Pick up a chumash at any bookstore and read for yourself. Just look at the events leading up to the exodus: god and Moses hatched the first-ever genocidal terrorist conspiracy.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ladyattis on March 08, 2007, 01:22:41 PM
So Moses pwnt Egyptians? :shock:

-- Bridget
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 01:25:08 PM
I believe he's 25 now, possibly 26 already. 
I thought he was 27.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 08, 2007, 01:36:11 PM
I believe he's 25 now, possibly 26 already.
I thought he was 27.


I don't know.  But his big revelation is soon to come, or has passed already.   :shock:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 01:57:02 PM
No, I don't know. He is probably 26.

I don't find body waxing painful or unpleasant.  I have it done every three weeks.  To my butthole.

I trimmed my facial hair for the first time this year the other day.

And I must like jews, cus I have 5 lbs. of matzo bread in my car. It was over half off,  only $4.99. The jew in me took over and had to buy it.
(http://moneydollars.com/images/matzo.JPG)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 01:57:52 PM
Just never forget, though the nazis wiped out a large segment of the jewish population, jews have carried out their own genocides, presumably commanded by god. Pick up a chumash at any bookstore and read for yourself. Just look at the events leading up to the exodus: god and Moses hatched the first-ever genocidal terrorist conspiracy.

That's if you believe crap that was written thousands of years ago. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 08, 2007, 02:07:01 PM
Just pointing out the whole persecution complex, that's all.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: YixilTesiphon on March 08, 2007, 02:13:56 PM
Are we seriously arguing whether the Holocaust was bad? The fuck? We get it, YOU ARE A JEW. Cun grah jew fucking lay shuns.

Do Protestants feel the need to bring up the Spanish Inquisition? Do they need to remind people that burning Protestants at the stake was bad? Do blacks need to bring up slavery all the time? Do we need a reminder that slavery is a bad thing? No, because we can respect people as individuals and do not define them by an event that happened to an ethnic group that they descended from a long time ago. Shut the fuck up. If you want to talk about the Holocaust and remind people that it was bad, make a thread about it. I already know the Holocaust was horrific and won't enter. Goddamn.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 08, 2007, 04:02:05 PM
Just never forget, though the nazis wiped out a large segment of the jewish population, jews have carried out their own genocides, presumably commanded by god. Pick up a chumash at any bookstore and read for yourself. Just look at the events leading up to the exodus: god and Moses hatched the first-ever genocidal terrorist conspiracy.

That's if you believe crap that was written thousands of years ago. 

In a few thousand years people will probably forget or not care that The Holocaust or WWII even happened.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: money dollars on March 08, 2007, 05:03:13 PM
I have a wife.
I have a wifey. And my bitch is my babies's mama.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 08, 2007, 06:30:11 PM
So Moses pwnt Egyptians? :shock:

-- Bridget

Probably not.  Egyptians kept pretty good records of slavery and the like, and so far history has yet to find records of Jewish slaves.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Rillion on March 09, 2007, 07:20:03 AM
Just never forget, though the nazis wiped out a large segment of the jewish population, jews have carried out their own genocides, presumably commanded by god. Pick up a chumash at any bookstore and read for yourself. Just look at the events leading up to the exodus: god and Moses hatched the first-ever genocidal terrorist conspiracy.

That's if you believe crap that was written thousands of years ago. 

...which, you know, was written by Jews.  Honestly, if the Old Testament was written as PR then somebody seriously needs to be fired. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 09, 2007, 08:17:23 AM
Just never forget, though the nazis wiped out a large segment of the jewish population, jews have carried out their own genocides, presumably commanded by god. Pick up a chumash at any bookstore and read for yourself. Just look at the events leading up to the exodus: god and Moses hatched the first-ever genocidal terrorist conspiracy.

That's if you believe crap that was written thousands of years ago. 

...which, you know, was written by Jews.  Honestly, if the Old Testament was written as PR then somebody seriously needs to be fired. 

You think that's bad?   The Talmud is basically a big ol' book of pedophilia.  There's a rule that says something to the effect of "it's ok to bone 9 year old boys."  But as I always say; is the religion that doesn't implement an old rule worse than the religion that actually has sex with 9 year old boys?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Rillion on March 09, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
But as I always say; is the religion that doesn't implement an old rule worse than the religion that actually has sex with 9 year old boys?

I don't know of any religions having sex with young boys....only people who do.  People, for some reason, don't always follow what their religion tells them to do. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 09, 2007, 12:19:03 PM
D-E-A-D.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 09, 2007, 02:24:08 PM
D-E-A-D.

Spells dead...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 09, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
Hey, thats whatcha get for not being born into the perfect race. 

Just out of curiosity, are those of us who are otherwise without flaws supposed to bump ourselves down a notch to make the whiners happy, or is it everyone's responsibility to rise to the pinnacle of their own ability?

 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 09, 2007, 11:56:04 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 12:23:13 AM
The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

And you're a grown ass man who thinks 9/11 was an inside job.  I think you're even.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 10, 2007, 12:31:53 AM
I think you were just pwn3d by Janey.   :lol:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 02:43:31 AM
Yeah, come on.  I deserve some karma for that.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 10, 2007, 02:51:51 AM
Yeah, come on.  I deserve some karma for that.

Absolutely. You deserve more than karma for that.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 02:59:13 AM
Yeah, come on.  I deserve some karma for that.

Absolutely. You deserve more than karma for that.

Maybe a little oral?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 10, 2007, 03:00:55 AM
Yeah, come on.  I deserve some karma for that.

Absolutely. You deserve more than karma for that.

Maybe a little oral?

Sounds delicious.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 10, 2007, 09:54:30 AM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 10, 2007, 10:25:17 AM
Yeah, come on.  I deserve some karma for that.

Absolutely. You deserve more than karma for that.

Maybe a little oral?

If you go to Porcfest will you sit on my face?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theghostofbj on March 10, 2007, 01:44:58 PM
I will be giving mustache rides for 25 cents.

Minus the mustache.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 10, 2007, 02:01:01 PM
I will be giving mustache rides for 25 cents.

Minus the mustache.

Shit, I'll do it for free. Fuck this piece of shit ^.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 10, 2007, 02:05:51 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 10, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
Yes a conscious decision to not bring another child into an overpopulated world is sooooo selfish....

Though I like the gay shrine idea. More for listeners than producers, it could help pull in some lefties....
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 10, 2007, 02:12:08 PM
The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

And you're a grown ass man who thinks 9/11 was an inside job.  I think you're even.


You bet.  The evidence leads me in that direction, and I'm not afraid of the notion that our government could be responsible for such things.  This is nothing but unbiased science.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 10, 2007, 02:15:19 PM
sci·ence      /ˈsaɪəns/ [sahy-uhns] –noun
1.   a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2.   systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3.   any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4.   systematized knowledge in general.
5.   knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6.   a particular branch of knowledge.
7.   skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

Think again, conspiracy boy.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 03:23:52 PM
The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

And you're a grown ass man who thinks 9/11 was an inside job.  I think you're even.


You bet.  The evidence leads me in that direction, and I'm not afraid of the notion that our government could be responsible for such things.  This is nothing but unbiased science.

I'd highly suggest reading this:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

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Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 10, 2007, 03:35:28 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: rah62 on March 10, 2007, 03:59:27 PM
Yes a conscious decision to not bring another child into an overpopulated world is sooooo selfish....

Though I like the gay shrine idea. More for listeners than producers, it could help pull in some lefties....

...and the gay shrine would be tastefully decorated, too.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 10, 2007, 04:07:34 PM
To take an entirely different tack on this subject....

Maybe you're right. Maybe the shrine is dumb.

The shriners however, are not dumb. Intelligent women who will argue capitalism, freedom of speech, drug legalization, and video game consoles should be flaunted.

If flaunting them happens to point out a particular demographic of FTL listeners, who's to complain?

oh. yeah. You are complaining, guerilla_amplifier.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 10, 2007, 04:07:50 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 04:15:03 PM
So why didn't the government kill Dylan Avery, Red?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 10, 2007, 04:18:25 PM
So why didn't the government kill Dylan Avery, Red?

Because that would have proven that the conspiracy exists...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 10, 2007, 04:21:32 PM
So why didn't the government kill Dylan Avery, Red?

Cause none of us matter.  We're perceived as no threat.  Their plans will continue to move forward.  And why are you involving yourself in this?  Your mind is already made up.  No amount of logic and reason is going to persuade you to look elsewhere for answers.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 05:02:58 PM
So why didn't the government kill Dylan Avery, Red?
No amount of logic and reason is going to persuade you to look elsewhere for answers.

Are you fucking serious?  You think you're being logical and reasonable? 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 10, 2007, 06:21:02 PM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 06:24:58 PM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Or is he just smarter than I?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 10, 2007, 06:26:30 PM
Just like Gene Ray.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ILikeMoney on March 10, 2007, 06:29:43 PM
Just like Gene Ray.

Alright, I'm convinced.  The government wouldn't mind killing us all.  *builds bunker*
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theghostofbj on March 10, 2007, 06:31:32 PM
Lesbians!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 10, 2007, 09:42:27 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.

A fair amount of vasectomies can be reversed.  (NOT ALL.  I DID NOT SAY ALL.  DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND TELLING ME THAT I SAID ALL VASECTOMIES CAN BE REVERSED.  THAT IS NOT THE CASE.  ONLY SOME VASECTOMIES CAN BE REVERSED.)

Ian may be one of those people who would rather adopt, and give a child who has already been born a home. 

Maybe he isn't. 

Why do you care? 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 10, 2007, 10:41:12 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.

You are right, people do change, but not everyone changes on every issue. I wanted to get my tubes tied at 18. My feelings haven't changed yet, grant it I'm only 22, but I have never wanted children, and have never had any motherly instinct. If I changed my mind in 10 years, there is always adoption. There are certainly plenty of children who need parents out there. Since you think selfishness is such a bad quality, don't you think it's selfish of people to give birth when there are plenty of unwanted children in the world?

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: rabidfurby on March 10, 2007, 11:43:17 PM
Your mind is already made up.  No amount of logic and reason is going to persuade you to look elsewhere for answers.

Pot, this is Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 10, 2007, 11:44:56 PM
Pot.  Kettle.  Black. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: cerpntaxt on March 11, 2007, 01:58:23 AM
Kettle. Pot. Metal.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:03:30 AM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.

You are right, people do change, but not everyone changes on every issue. I wanted to get my tubes tied at 18. My feelings haven't changed yet, grant it I'm only 22, but I have never wanted children, and have never had any motherly instinct. If I changed my mind in 10 years, there is always adoption. There are certainly plenty of children who need parents out there. Since you think selfishness is such a bad quality, don't you think it's selfish of people to give birth when there are plenty of unwanted children in the world?



Agreed.  I'm coming to my conclusions about him for a variety of reasons.  I think he missed out on a few much needed ass whippings as a child.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 11, 2007, 03:05:52 AM
*Cue discussion on spanking/punishment/beating children...*
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:11:11 AM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: YixilTesiphon on March 11, 2007, 03:33:34 AM
Having RedDelPaPa on ignore is so refreshing...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 11, 2007, 03:35:33 AM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?

and what qualifications do you have that makes you able to differentiate between a controlled blast and an uncontrolled demolition?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 11, 2007, 03:47:50 AM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?

Nah, you're delusional because:

A. No matter what happened on that day, people saw frigging planes hit those frigging buildings. Lots of people. In broad daylight. Including people I know. Relatives. Planes hit those buildings. They did.

B. No one, apart from a minuscule part of a minuscule part of the public believes you. That part that no one else listens to.

C. The only thing you seem to want to actually do about your amazing insights is repeat them, ad nauseum, to people who have clearly demonstrated that they don't care what you think.

D. You think that telling on the bad guys, when the bad guys are in control, is going to get them in trouble. Who's going to save you? What is your best case scenario for a positive result to your crusade? What happens to make the good guys win, in your world?

E. Why haven't you been shut up, if you're so close to the truth? And don't tell me "I'm just a little fish, I don't matter." because that takes the steam out of your crusade. If you're a little fish who doesn't matter, then why bother repeating your theories? No one is listening if you're just the little fish. There's a contradiction here.

That's why you're delusional. 

Notice I didn't say a damned thing about bombs, controlled detonations etc. Because none of that matters.
I challenge you to respond to my points without one mention of bombs or the evil plan. Just address my points. I bet cash money that you will not be capable of it. You are a horse beater. You cannot see beyond your myopic world view, and haven't the courage to take action against the evil oppressors you keep going on about. You are ineffectual, and I think it's a damned shame. Cranking out page after page of speculation (Or even facts, if you are right about your theory.) does nothing unless you have some sort of conclusion, and a course of action at the end of it.

You offer nothing before the eyes of John. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 11, 2007, 03:53:45 AM
The cure for delusional people: (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/Themes/babylon/images/english/ignore.gif) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=ignore;u=2081;topic=12310)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 11, 2007, 04:04:20 AM
The cure for delusional people: (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/Themes/babylon/images/english/ignore.gif) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=ignore;u=2081;topic=12310)

Once in a blue moon the kooks have information that is worth taking a look at. I had never heard of the Bohemian Grove before I saw a kook posting about it. It's interesting stuff. Are they worshiping Moloch out there? Fuck no. But they're acting like total idiots in robes out there. Which is pretty fucking hilarious. Good to know for when one of the Christian Republican friends of my wife starts talking about Republicans. I just walk them over to their computer and pull up that creepy assed "Cremation of Care" video, and a couple of times they've actually started crying. I don't know if that's comedy or tragedy, to see a Christian confronted with the fact that their beloved "Insert Politician Here" is dressing up in robes and chanting in the woods, just like the Wiccans they're so terrified of.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 11, 2007, 09:41:37 AM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.

You are right, people do change, but not everyone changes on every issue. I wanted to get my tubes tied at 18. My feelings haven't changed yet, grant it I'm only 22, but I have never wanted children, and have never had any motherly instinct. If I changed my mind in 10 years, there is always adoption. There are certainly plenty of children who need parents out there. Since you think selfishness is such a bad quality, don't you think it's selfish of people to give birth when there are plenty of unwanted children in the world?



Agreed.  I'm coming to my conclusions about him for a variety of reasons.  I think he missed out on a few much needed ass whippings as a child.

Ass whippings? Ugh. I think you got a few too many ass whippings.  :?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 11, 2007, 11:04:15 AM


Once in a blue moon the kooks have information that is worth taking a look at. I had never heard of the Bohemian Grove before I saw a kook posting about it. It's interesting stuff. Are they worshiping Moloch out there? Fuck no. But they're acting like total idiots in robes out there. Which is pretty fucking hilarious. Good to know for when one of the Christian Republican friends of my wife starts talking about Republicans. I just walk them over to their computer and pull up that creepy assed "Cremation of Care" video, and a couple of times they've actually started crying. I don't know if that's comedy or tragedy, to see a Christian confronted with the fact that their beloved "Insert Politician Here" is dressing up in robes and chanting in the woods, just like the Wiccans they're so terrified of.

LOL @ Bohemians...how did we get here in this thread? Awesome.

Listen...Ian's body is Ian's business. Don't drag his personal decisions about his "boys" into this discussion. That is nobody's business but his--just like my body is my personal business.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 11, 2007, 11:11:32 AM
The cure for delusional people: (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/Themes/babylon/images/english/ignore.gif) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=ignore;u=2081;topic=12310)

Once in a blue moon the kooks have information that is worth taking a look at. I had never heard of the Bohemian Grove before I saw a kook posting about it. It's interesting stuff. Are they worshiping Moloch out there? Fuck no. But they're acting like total idiots in robes out there. Which is pretty fucking hilarious. Good to know for when one of the Christian Republican friends of my wife starts talking about Republicans. I just walk them over to their computer and pull up that creepy assed "Cremation of Care" video, and a couple of times they've actually started crying. I don't know if that's comedy or tragedy, to see a Christian confronted with the fact that their beloved "Insert Politician Here" is dressing up in robes and chanting in the woods, just like the Wiccans they're so terrified of.

LOL @ Bohemians...how did we get here in this thread? Awesome.

Listen...Ian's body is Ian's business. Don't drag his personal decisions about his "boys" into this discussion. That nobody's business but his--just like my body is my personal business.

This person speaks the truth.  Here, anyway. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 11, 2007, 12:24:51 PM
Lindsey, didn't you know? Red knows what's right for everyone.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:02:28 PM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?

Nah, you're delusional because:

A. No matter what happened on that day, people saw frigging planes hit those frigging buildings. Lots of people. In broad daylight. Including people I know. Relatives. Planes hit those buildings. They did.

B. No one, apart from a minuscule part of a minuscule part of the public believes you. That part that no one else listens to.

C. The only thing you seem to want to actually do about your amazing insights is repeat them, ad nauseum, to people who have clearly demonstrated that they don't care what you think.

D. You think that telling on the bad guys, when the bad guys are in control, is going to get them in trouble. Who's going to save you? What is your best case scenario for a positive result to your crusade? What happens to make the good guys win, in your world?

E. Why haven't you been shut up, if you're so close to the truth? And don't tell me "I'm just a little fish, I don't matter." because that takes the steam out of your crusade. If you're a little fish who doesn't matter, then why bother repeating your theories? No one is listening if you're just the little fish. There's a contradiction here.

That's why you're delusional. 

Notice I didn't say a damned thing about bombs, controlled detonations etc. Because none of that matters.
I challenge you to respond to my points without one mention of bombs or the evil plan. Just address my points. I bet cash money that you will not be capable of it. You are a horse beater. You cannot see beyond your myopic world view, and haven't the courage to take action against the evil oppressors you keep going on about. You are ineffectual, and I think it's a damned shame. Cranking out page after page of speculation (Or even facts, if you are right about your theory.) does nothing unless you have some sort of conclusion, and a course of action at the end of it.

You offer nothing before the eyes of John. 

A:  No shit?  WTC7?  Did we forget about that one?  Apparently.  This is why I repeat myself.  Because the obvious doesn't appear to sink in the first 10 times.

B:  84% in scientific poles reject the 9/11 official story.  You were saying?  Do your homework before you tackle me regarding 9/11.

C:  Now you need to explain why people like you keep arguing the issue with me.  You don't care, why are you arguing?

D: A majority public awakening is what's going to give us all a fighting chance.

E: I haven't been shut up because I'm no threat.  The arrogance of these criminals in charge is astounding.  They know they're going to get away with it.  You're not listening?  See A:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:04:08 PM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?

and what qualifications do you have that makes you able to differentiate between a controlled blast and an uncontrolled demolition?

Homework and common sense.  I'm sure you won't like my answer, but try them.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:07:45 PM
Why make women listeners any more special than other listeners? It's dumb and sexist. I thought FTL was into serious matters and issues, not this high school BS.

Starting my own shrine..."The Shrine of Blue-Eyed Listeners." Yep. Blue-eyed listeners are so much more interesting and deserve special recognition for having blue eyes. Will have the web site up, and soon. Or post your blue-eyed listener pic here.

See how ridiculous the "Shrine of Female Listeners" is when you place it in the context of my shrine idea? It's subjugating a group of listeners by some characteristic that they have no control over....they are born female. It's like having a shrine of Asian listeners, or gay listeners...

Women aren't any more or any less important than any other listener. Start treating them that way.

Agreed.  Equality or superiority?

The host of this show is a late bloomer, and only a few years removed from HS drama anyway.

Yes, and you know soooo much about the host. :roll:

I've got a pretty solid feel for him.  From his selfishness in getting himself clipped at such a young age(so "he" can have worry free sex), to the way he feels about his parents and family.  He's clearly a me, me, me kinda person.

If it's selfish for Ian to get fixed at an early age than it's also selfish for you not to get fixed. Oh no, could it be? Red is selfish too? Everyone is selfish; you say it like it's a bad thing.  :lol:

I'm hoping you're following my train of thought.  Such a decision made at a young age.  He may regret it 10 years down the road.  People change.  He won't be the same person(hopefully) 10 years down the road.

You are right, people do change, but not everyone changes on every issue. I wanted to get my tubes tied at 18. My feelings haven't changed yet, grant it I'm only 22, but I have never wanted children, and have never had any motherly instinct. If I changed my mind in 10 years, there is always adoption. There are certainly plenty of children who need parents out there. Since you think selfishness is such a bad quality, don't you think it's selfish of people to give birth when there are plenty of unwanted children in the world?



Agreed.  I'm coming to my conclusions about him for a variety of reasons.  I think he missed out on a few much needed ass whippings as a child.

Ass whippings? Ugh. I think you got a few too many ass whippings.  :?


Na.  I got a few.  But looking back, they were good for me.  I needed them.  I was a hellish child.  I'm thankful to my parents for putting up with me and allowing me to continue living.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 03:09:57 PM
Red can you please keep your 9/11 opinions in 9/11 topics? This is a topic about the shrine of female listeners. At first I though you were just a dedicated truther, now I think you are a troll. There is no reason to post one line responses with 3 miles of quotes.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:10:08 PM
The cure for delusional people: (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/Themes/babylon/images/english/ignore.gif) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=ignore;u=2081;topic=12310)

Once in a blue moon the kooks have information that is worth taking a look at. I had never heard of the Bohemian Grove before I saw a kook posting about it. It's interesting stuff. Are they worshiping Moloch out there? Fuck no. But they're acting like total idiots in robes out there. Which is pretty fucking hilarious. Good to know for when one of the Christian Republican friends of my wife starts talking about Republicans. I just walk them over to their computer and pull up that creepy assed "Cremation of Care" video, and a couple of times they've actually started crying. I don't know if that's comedy or tragedy, to see a Christian confronted with the fact that their beloved "Insert Politician Here" is dressing up in robes and chanting in the woods, just like the Wiccans they're so terrified of.

So everyone that proposes an alternative view to something you don't agree with is a kook?

Maybe we "kooks" think people like you are nothing but brainless 400lb lazy fat asses.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:14:01 PM
Lindsey, didn't you know? Red knows what's right for everyone.

Nope.  I never said that.  All I'm saying is I use some of his personal decisions to shape my opinion about him.  You're all free to be as dumb or smart as you please.  Just don't argue with me on a subject that I'm highly educated in and that you don't care about.  That's not a good way for us to become friends.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Red please find a new fucking subject. It's getting really old listening to you fill up every topic with your same old bullshit. You never talk about any other subjects, just 9/11. Please I AM BEGGING YOU, talk about something else... just for one fucking week PLEASE.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 03:17:11 PM
Red can you please keep your 9/11 opinions in 9/11 topics? This is a topic about the shrine of female listeners. At first I though you were just a dedicated truther, now I think you are a troll. There is no reason to post one line responses with 3 miles of quotes.

Get your hand off me before I twist it off.  Take a look back and see who steered this into a 9/11 topic.  I'll shut up about it when they do.  I came in here on topic.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 03:20:19 PM
What are you, five years old? "He started it mommy", get over it and grow up.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: YixilTesiphon on March 11, 2007, 04:36:35 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/yixil/ah_refreshing.jpg)

See how nice that looks?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 04:48:42 PM
Not nice enough, I would prefer that everything including their name be removed when I put them on ignore. They still take up space even when you can't see what they are saying.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 11, 2007, 04:49:28 PM
B:  84% in scientific poles reject the 9/11 official story.  You were saying?  Do your homework before you tackle me regarding 9/11.

Insert Polack joke here.....
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: John Shaw on March 11, 2007, 04:57:16 PM
So everyone that proposes an alternative view to something you don't agree with is a kook?
Maybe we "kooks" think people like you are nothing but brainless 400lb lazy fat asses.

No, kooks are fucking kooks.

Oh, and apparently you're a fucking asshole kook. Congrats, you are ignore number 2. Fucking prick.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 11, 2007, 05:03:19 PM
Enough of this 9/11 truthiness movement. More Shriners!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 05:04:45 PM
Boo-Bays!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: freeAgent on March 11, 2007, 05:25:51 PM
More dots (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3713)!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on March 11, 2007, 06:14:01 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/yixil/ah_refreshing.jpg)

See how nice that looks?

Ahhh...
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 06:23:21 PM
What are you, five years old? "He started it mommy", get over it and grow up.

Yea, I'm 5.  It's simple, you try to twist my arm, you'll get floored.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 11, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
Mine looks better.

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1126/screenshotcj6.png)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: aquabanianskakid on March 11, 2007, 06:36:27 PM
What are you, five years old? "He started it mommy", get over it and grow up.

Yea, I'm 5.  It's simple, you try to twist my arm, you'll get floored.

Wahahahahaaaaaa *rolls on the floor laughing and hits the ignore button
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: ReverendRyan on March 11, 2007, 06:36:53 PM
http://mordots.com/
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 11, 2007, 07:22:10 PM
Lindsey, didn't you know? Red knows what's right for everyone.

Actually, since I don't like conspiracy theories - and I hear that's his schtick, I just don't read what he posts.  I don't have him on ignore, I don't dislike him for any reason because I disagree with his views on things, I simply do not read past the words "9/11 Truth".  If he knows what's right for everyone, good for him.  He can now call himself equivalent to the government of the United States of America, and that of most other countries, in my book.  Being the equivalent to a government in an anarchist's book isn't a good thing, for those of you who are a little slow. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 11, 2007, 08:23:53 PM
Lindsey, didn't you know? Red knows what's right for everyone.

Nope.  I never said that.  All I'm saying is I use some of his personal decisions to shape my opinion about him.  You're all free to be as dumb or smart as you please.  Just don't argue with me on a subject that I'm highly educated in and that you don't care about.  That's not a good way for us to become friends.

You are highly educated in the subject of Ian? Because that's what we were talking about.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: RedDelPaPa on March 11, 2007, 08:59:15 PM
Lindsey, didn't you know? Red knows what's right for everyone.

Nope.  I never said that.  All I'm saying is I use some of his personal decisions to shape my opinion about him.  You're all free to be as dumb or smart as you please.  Just don't argue with me on a subject that I'm highly educated in and that you don't care about.  That's not a good way for us to become friends.

You are highly educated in the subject of Ian? Because that's what we were talking about.

Oops you're right.  That's what you and I were talking about.

Ian is free to be as selfish and egotistical as he wants.  The standout issue that bothers me about him and his show, is that he is afraid to tackle any subject, whether truth to it or not, that may possibly damage his popularity in his view.  Anything outside of his current belief system is labeled as kook conspiracy theories.  Well, a lot of it is a double edged sword.  It carries potential to boost his popularity.  Anything infowars.com or prisonplanet.com report on are immediately written off as kook script and avoided.  Like he feels threated by their operator, Alex Jones.  Issues such as 9/11, the North American Union, and the New World Order are real issues.  These are not kook script.  And some day, when even Rush Limbaugh is addressing them, Ian will be forced to address them.  And I'm planning to stand firm, that "when" he does, due to his attitude about them now, there will not be room on this "kook" wagon for him.  Ian hasn't done his homework, and he's going to pay for that come exam time.  His close mindedness on the subject now, seals his future fate, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 11, 2007, 10:30:49 PM
Yeah, he's fucking serious. He is too emotionally wrapped up in his delusions to see logic and reason.

The same could be said of many people around here, come to think of it...

Yes, I guess you could say I'm delusional because I know a perfect controlled demolition when I see it.  I don't start my research with a conclusion and work backwards.  The 9/11 deniers here are all people who haven't done their homework, and don't care what the truth is regardless.  So they have no foundation for argument in the first place.  So why do it?

and what qualifications do you have that makes you able to differentiate between a controlled blast and an uncontrolled demolition?

Homework and common sense.  I'm sure you won't like my answer, but try them.

So other than shoving a bottle rocket up your ass you haven't any experience and you think your 'homework' makes you qualified? 

I kind of have to wonder how in the hell this thread got twisted into this subject.  Talk about a one track mind. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: error on March 11, 2007, 11:15:31 PM
So other than shoving a bottle rocket up your ass you haven't any experience and you think your 'homework' makes you qualified? 

That was him? I remember seeing pictures of that from some radio station's website.
Title: Re: The Shrine is STILL Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 31, 2007, 11:45:34 AM
The show could be bigger and better if:

A)The shrine went away
b)The Web site got a total redesign by a professional
c)You guys would stay on topic with politics and freedom issues (what was the whole sex thing last night? So the youngster 20-something year olds could actually talk about something you know? Cuz otherwise, you're pretty boring and obviously really really young...seriously, I expected the next thing out of someone's mouth to be "ow, my balls...")   

It will never be any bigger than it is as long as things never happen.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 31, 2007, 11:51:24 AM
A) Your avatar is a woman in a bra smoking a cigarette
B) Maybe, but Michael Savage instantly refutes this point.
C) Then it wouldn't be "Free Talk Live", it would be "Free Talk Live So Long as it's Politics and Liberty Issues"
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 31, 2007, 11:56:20 AM
My avatar could be anything. So what? I can get any pic out on the internet and use any pic to represent me. What exactly is wrong with the one I have?

Free Talk Live is really good. Could be better. Last night was really boring and uninteresting.



Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 31, 2007, 12:01:44 PM
Anyway, I enjoy seeing how people react to my posts VERY DIFFERENTLY when the woman picture is up, as opposed to no picture. People just can't help it--it's all about our society. I'm pushing the buttons, you bet...start thinking about this stuff.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 31, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
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My avatar could be anything. So what? I can get any pic out on the internet and use any pic to represent me. What exactly is wrong with the one I have?

Indeed.  There's nothing wrong with your avatar, I just find it interesting you're arguing for the shrine to go away, which I'm assuming is because you think it's sexist, and yet you're using an avatar that commands quite a bit of attention using some typical imagery that's, "using sex to sell".... a woman in a bra, smoking a cigarette.... I'm sure you could open any magazine ad and see this same visual language to sell a product.

I just interpret this as you using it to sell your point.  "I'm a woman, I'm sexy and the Shrine still sucks."

...did I get the implied message wrong?

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Free Talk Live is really good. Could be better. Last night was really boring and uninteresting.

Can't please everyone all the time, sometimes show segments lag for me too, but others are really interesting.

(EDIT: just fixed a bunch of grammatical errors and typos....a bit late over here in Japan)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 31, 2007, 12:14:13 PM
My avatar should be of some ugly fat chick, I see...that way the hatred of the shrine would be justified in your eyes. But because it's of an somewhat okay looking woman--well, that makes no Sense! She should be proud of the shrine, she should be IN the shrine!

Wrong. The Shrine is STILL subjugating women to "women" status. Not equal. And in the universe of IDEAS, we are all equal. In my mind, my ideas are EQUAL with yours...not better, not female. Equal.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on March 31, 2007, 12:21:33 PM
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My avatar should be of some ugly fat chick, I see...that way the hatred of the shrine would be justified in your eyes

Hahahahaha.... wow. Way to twist what I said completely out of context and go right into the gender-wars baiting. 

You seem to have added a lot connotation which I niether typed nor implied.  I said it was interesting because your avatar commands attention, and is using some of the same methodologies that you seem to be criticizing....something you yourself have admitted to purposefully doing.

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But because it's of an somewhat okay looking woman--well, that makes no Sense! She should be proud of the shrine, she should be IN the shrine!

You're inserting words into my mouth, which is niether fair nor intellectually honest.

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Wrong. The Shrine is STILL subjugating women to "women" status. Not equal. And in the universe of IDEAS, we are all equal. In my mind, my ideas are EQUAL with yours...not better, not female. Equal.

When did I ever say they weren't?  It makes it very hard to exchange ideas with you on an equal footing when you seem very content to insert and project the points you'd like to respond to in my mouth.

So far, I haven't even given you my position on whether or not the Shrine is A) dumb, or B) should exist, yet here you have completely spun a position for me based upon my questioning of your use of a picture....of a woman in a bra.... smoking a cigarette.

...that's a really nasty habit you might want to consider evaluating, particularly if you want me to consider your ideas equal.

(EDIT: changed "seems" to "seem")
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 31, 2007, 02:16:47 PM
So, again...somebody tell me who's forcing this person to look at the shrine? 

I like the implication that young people are sub-par to their elders.  Stealth, nice.  Especially after the argument that the shrine is reducing women to an old stereotype of being less than a man. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: MobileDigit on March 31, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
in the universe of IDEAS, we are all equal

Why?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 31, 2007, 02:32:35 PM
I think stuff like this is funny, because FTL will never be able to please everyone. Everybody and their mother has suggestions about what would make the show "better" and they're all different.  There's nothing wrong with that of course.  Hey, if you can do it better, do it! The more the merrier! Some people hate the shrine, some people love it. Some people want to hear a three hour show about politics, some don't. Personally, I fit into the "don't" category. If FTL did that, only people who are really interested in politics would want to listen, which is a minority. FTL helps introduce the liberty message to people in an entertaining way that is easy for the average person to understand. Oh, and FTL is getting bigger.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Soundwave on March 31, 2007, 03:02:42 PM
BTW, what's wrong with website?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 31, 2007, 03:04:36 PM
Apparently it sucks because it doesn't sparkle and have other cool graphics effects. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: rabidfurby on March 31, 2007, 03:10:33 PM
It needs more cowbell.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: freeAgent on March 31, 2007, 07:40:03 PM
It needs more dots (http://kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3713).
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on March 31, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
It needs more cowbell.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Laetitia on March 31, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
It needs more dots (http://kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3713).

That. Was. So. Fucking. Funny.
Title: Re: The Web site...the shrine...whippersnappers
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on March 31, 2007, 11:47:55 PM
Don't care about Java...Flash...sparkles...dots...Karma points...yadda yadda. I think content-wise FTL's web site is pretty good. The look is sort of...I don't know...NASCAR? Dark? It has not been updated for a few years...and you need to update just the general look of stuff every year or so. I despise excessive flash/java/graphics/MIDI music...so I think in that regard, and with its content, the site is great. And the podcasts are GOLD. Nobody else, not even the big guys, offers all that. I can't even get cable news shows in their entirety, let alone an archive of past shows. So to me FTL sets the standard for what cable news shows and others should be doing on their web sites.

Soooo....I see I get folks riled up pretty good, looking at the boards. THAT'S THE POINT of being guerilla...is it not? Get people thinking and get people more involved. You are all a feisty bunch.

I think stuff like this is funny, because FTL will never be able to please everyone. Everybody and their mother has suggestions about what would make the show "better" and they're all different.  There's nothing wrong with that of course.  Hey, if you can do it better, do it! The more the merrier! Some people hate the shrine, some people love it. Some people want to hear a three hour show about politics, some don't. Personally, I fit into the "don't" category. If FTL did that, only people who are really interested in politics would want to listen, which is a minority. FTL helps introduce the liberty message to people in an entertaining way that is easy for the average person to understand. Oh, and FTL is getting bigger. -- SOUNDWAVE

No,you cannont make a show/Web site/topic for everybody. I'm sure FTL is growing...someone tried to tell me on this thread that there were only 1000 listeners anyway...I DO NOT believe that for a second. I think there are many, many more. By the way, Julia's comments are the best response to my provocation that has been posted here.

Believe me, I don't look at the shrine...Why do you all care about it so much? LOL...It's not that younger people are sub-par to elders, Lindsay (now who is putting words in whose mouth??), it's just that it's clear to me, anyway, that you guys are younger in your ideas and the way you respond to stuff.

I dunno, maybe FTL is supposed to be like HotRock 99...perhaps that is part of its draw. It gets younger people involved in politics when they wouldn't necessarily have been involved, which is good.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: guerilla_amplifier on April 01, 2007, 12:00:25 AM

So far, I haven't even given you my position on whether or not the Shrine is A) dumb, or B) should exist, yet here you have completely spun a position for me based upon my questioning of your use of a picture....of a woman in a bra.... smoking a cigarette.

...that's a really nasty habit you might want to consider evaluating, particularly if you want me to consider your ideas equal.


I don't smoke.
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on April 01, 2007, 12:03:02 AM
I'm not ignoring the rest of your post or anything, but how am I supposed to seriously respond to what you say if you can't spell my name correctly after it's plainly been displayed here countless times? 

I also didn't put words in your mouth.  This is the internet.  What I said is in plain black and white, so to speak.  Everyone responds to statements differently, and you cannot accurately measure a person's wisdom, experience, intelligence, and certainly not their age by the way they respond to something.  And before you say anything, I understand that what you meant.  I just try to minimize my judgement against others. 

We've all pretty much said the same thing.  I think the end-all is that it isn't your website, and I doubt very seriously that Ian cares much about the fact that you and others think the shrine is dumb, and that some people take issue with the design of his website.  Obviously he's doing something right. 
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on April 01, 2007, 12:07:47 AM
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Get people thinking and get people more involved. You are all a feisty bunch

You haven't really riled me, though I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth and engaging in other intellectually dishonest practices such as fabricating a position which I never made.

....like I said, a little hard for me to take your ideas seriously or even come close to considering them "equal."

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I don't smoke.

hahahahahaha..... re-read my post again and see if you can get it right the next time.

(edit: here's a hint.... it has something to do with what your debating practices)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on April 01, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
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Get people thinking and get people more involved. You are all a feisty bunch

You haven't really riled me, though I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth and engaging in other intellectually dishonest practices such as fabricating a position which I never made.

....like I said, a little hard for me to take your ideas seriously or even come close to considering them "equal."

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I don't smoke.

hahahahahaha..... re-read my post again and see if you can get it right the next time.

Notice that the avatar changed... :shock:
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: theCelestrian on April 01, 2007, 12:22:03 AM
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Notice that the avatar changed...

We'll she's a guerilla, Lindsey.  Don't you understand that she's here to enlighten our simple minds and make us think?  It's obvious our reactions to everything is "younger"...as are our ideas, so she's here to rile us up and get us to question our young (read the implication: immature) minds and ideas.

I'm so glad that she decided to grace us with her astounding intellect and show us what a bunch of simpleton sexists we've been.  If only the women who make conscious choice to join the shrine realized that their choice really isn't an expression of their equal free-will, but is merely an affirmation of their continued subjugation, and therefore their choice to voluntarily participate in something they don't have to is completely invalid.

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EDIT:

Now I've given you a position you can respond to, guerilla, in case it wasn't clear:

"I don't particularly have a problem with the Shrine because the women who join it do so voluntarily, and as somone who respects the equality of their choices and intellect, who am I to say they shouldn't be able to particpate in a voluntary activity?"

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Lindsey on April 01, 2007, 12:26:04 AM
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4424/ohoq9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: MobileDigit on April 01, 2007, 03:48:50 AM
The only thing I think should be fixed with the website are the
(http://freetalklive.com/images/showarchives.png) and (http://freetalklive.com/images/whatsnew.png) images. Why can't they be anti-aliased, or styled text?
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: YixilTesiphon on April 01, 2007, 03:53:28 AM
It needs more dots (http://kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3713).

Bahahahahah!
Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: james on April 12, 2007, 12:14:02 AM
i just would like to say.... the shrine rocks

Title: Re: The Shrine is Dumb.
Post by: Taors on April 12, 2007, 12:26:00 AM
Bree should send in a shrine pic.