Rant to follow:
Libertarians are not atheists are not skeptics are not scientists are not philosophers. This much has been made abundantly clear to me.
I'll talk to someone who believes in all manner of tomfoolery if they seem like a calm, rational, friendly person. Reasonable people can disagree on many things related to any of the above topics, and if you think that their disagreement with you on its own makes them a stupid, irrational, hateful person, then there's something wrong with
you. Everybody is ignorant and irrational about certain things. If, on the whole, they are intelligent and thoughtful, they can be persuaded to believe something else. Or maybe they can persuade you. But the conversation is at least worth it.
I don't especially care that PZ Myers, though a great scientist, skeptic, and atheist, thinks libertarianism is rubbish.
I
do care that a philosopher like
Massimo Pigliucci thinks that we don't have the right to bear arms because such right was acknowledged in the Bill of Rights for a different reason than most people want it today. Let's grant that the Constitution is indeed the law of the land (I know, this may be difficult to do). And let's grant (this might be difficult as well) that the people who wrote the Bill of Rights, Jefferson and Madison, actually knew what they were talking about. Does that mean that our rights are dependent on their intentions? Would they even want that to be the case? Should we even give a fuck what they wanted?
I love how people who would never claim that free speech rights don't include TV or the internet suddenly become originalists when it comes to the right to bear arms. For fuck's sale,
be consistent. If the reason that Madison and Jefferson acknowledged is relevant for one right; it's relevant for another. If it isn't relevant for one, it's not relevant for the rest. Make up your mind. If you think the Bill of Rights is binding but don't like one of the rights acknowledged, introduce a new fucking amendment which negates it (such as the 21st Amendment, which ended Prohibition). Don't pretend that the current amendments say something other than what they say. I know opponents of gun ownership won't do that, because they know it would never fly. But trying to ban gun ownership via any other means is unreasonable and dishonest. If your arguments are so good, bring them. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
</end rant> You were warned.