Mark's Yeshua Problem

[Diogenes The Cynic]

It doesn't matter if the translation issue doesn't bother YOUR sensibilities, it bothers MINE and the question is:

1a would a fair and just god send me to eternal torment,

1b a punishment far worse than the sickest most pedagogic father on earth could ever do to their child, for rejecting his "unerring word" when he couldn't get his savior's name right?  Answer that question, not one you have made up for yourself!

1a. No
1b. Almost nobody gets eternal punishment

[Bill Brasky]

1b. Almost nobody gets eternal punishment

The fact that you believe in eternal punishment means you are fucked up. 

[Diogenes The Cynic]

1b. Almost nobody gets eternal punishment

The fact that you believe in eternal punishment means you are fucked up. 

I am not fucked up, and it only happens to the irredeemably bad.

[yamnuska]

wait a second.
all these years i got yelled at for saying ''jesus christ'' (sometimes, i threw in the ''H'', for added emphasis)
by my mother.....ie: ''taking the lord's name in vain'', when i was actually in the clear?

all these years.....i thought i'd be going to hell

 Does this mean porn stars are going to start saying, "Oh Yeshua!" "Yeshua that's big."

Would I say "Yeshua H Christ," or just "Yeshua?"

[Cognitive Dissident]

I don't understand why this simple situation is so hard for some people to grasp (actually I do, they don't want to grasp it).

Let me run it down again. Jesus's name isn't Jesus, its Yeshua. That is his name. My name is Mark; it isn't Marc, Marco, Marcos, Marcus, Marek, Mario, Marius, Markey, Marko, Markos, Markov, Markus, Marq, Marque, Marques, Marquus, Marik, March, Mirko or Mirek. If you call me one of those things, you are in error.

It doesn't matter if the translation issue doesn't bother YOUR sensibilities, it bothers MINE and the question is: would a fair and just god send me to eternal torment, a punishment far worse than the sickest most pedagogic father on earth could ever do to their child, for rejecting his "unerring word" when he couldn't get his savior's name right?  Answer that question, not one you have made up for yourself!

I'm not here for the purpose of defending your opposition, but I have to say that your claim here is less-than-ideally correct.  My wife constantly uses Chinese versions of names, which are far from the originals.  For example, Los Angeles is "Los-an-gee."  I tell her "that's wrong" (sounding like Mark) and she says, no, that's the "Chinese translation" of the name.  I don't agree either with the idea that a name is "translated" (aka butchered) into other languages, but there is perfectly normal and reasonable precedent for butchering names when writing and/or pronouncing in other languages.  If the language cannot properly reflect the "real" name, it's going to happen.  I'd say in the case of Yeshua, from a language without vowels, that's entirely possible and reasonable.

This is not to defend any other aspect of any biblical translation.

[Riddler]

Someone introduce me to this God fella. Sounds like a Big Man. I know I ALWAYS LOVE THE WAY I FEEL when I discipline my kids.. they step out of line, I make them stand in the fuckin corner while I sit nearby and gloat. I FEEL LIKE AN AWESOME GOD when I do that.. POWERFUL. It works every time too. My kids, who have sinned against me, try to look upon my presence and they weep for I know not their faces during this time of their punishment. Me = GOD, they = foul sinners who have gone astray from my Holy Command.

shit hb, if you could make it rain indoors, or walk on water, you could start your own religion

[Rillion]

I am not fucked up, and it only happens to the irredeemably bad.

You are either fucked up, or you don't understand what "eternal" means.  Qualifying it by saying "it only happens to the irredeemably bad" would be like Daddy Hellbilly saying "I only flayed her alive because she poked her brother with a spoon."  Only not-- no analogy will work, because we're talking about eternity. 

*walks off, shaking her head*

[gibson042]

Would I say "Yeshua H Christ," or just "Yeshua?"

Since "Christ" is synonymous (and cognate, for that matter) with "Messiah", I guess it'd be something like "Yeshua Māshyakḥ!".

[Riddler]

hay-zeus

[BobRobertson]

hay-zeus

I've got the One God!
The Fun God!
The Sun God!
Ra! Ra! Ra!

[Cognitive Dissident]

"Why do you keep calling me Jesus--do I look Puerto Rican to you?"

[davann]

hay-zeus

I've got the One God!
The Fun God!
The Sun God!
Ra! Ra! Ra!

Kinda like Anubus better. Just as fun with a darker sense of humor.

Also, you are all wrong. His name is Obamba. As in Barracks H. Obamba.

[cavalier973]

You win. I would rather go to Hell than live eternally with your sick and twisted god.

Hey! I won an argument with Mark.

He's not sick and twisted to me.  The fact that people He created have the free will to choose to be sick and twisted and evil means that He is therefore sick and twisted and evil Himself is not a persuasive argument.

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

[Riddler]

obamba?

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[FTL_Mark]

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

That is what makes him sick and twisted. Allegedly, I was created in his image. I have to assume that means sovereign.

I created my son, Jack, along with his mother, does that mean I get to do with him as I please? What if I created a clone? If I sodomized my Golden Retriever, Fruit Loop and then tortured her to death, would you argue that I am not twisted?