Unofficial History of Drama in the Free State

[John Shaw]

Griffyn Farnsworth Again, summer doesn't exactly sound irrational or like she is bad-mouthing anyone. So, much for those unfounded accusations...
April 1 at 12:58pm ·
April Sheets Summer I think you need to get away from them. They seem very intent on covering this all op and trying to make it go away. Are you leaving?
April 1 at 12:59pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen ‎@ Sovereign Curtis..the reason you didn't know what is going on here is because Ian, James Schlessinger, Hunter, and many others now had pressured me into taking it down..the post i made informing people. Now yesterday Ian said
April 1 at 1:00pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen d that i wasn't invited back to his house for reposting it when i did yesterday. Even though i was already ostracized from him and James just for believe i should have called cps to get the boy out of that situation.
April 1 at 1:01pm ·
Robin Mozingo calling Shauna "jealous" of anything is indeed badmouthing and tasteless...
April 1 at 1:04pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I think I agree with April, you need to stay away from these people. I thought being around republican Mormons was dangerous mentally, this takes that cake. Just a couple days ago I had such high respect for these people, now they get about as much as a Christian liberal running for Sheriff.
April 1 at 1:04pm · · 1 personLoading...
Griffyn Farnsworth Funny how you are not responding to ANYTHING else Robin, says a lot about YOU>
April 1 at 1:05pm ·
Robin Mozingo I was not there to hear any of the child touching conversation so I can not comment on it. Who the fuck are you to say a damn thing about me? Who are you to this community?
April 1 at 1:06pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I'm responding to YOUR comment. To see my involvement, please read my comments.
April 1 at 1:07pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I have all the right in the world to comment on you and the situation or are you NOT for free speech? Or just free speech for SOME?
April 1 at 1:07pm · · 1 personLoading...
Heika Courser
I'm OK with you going back to Utah and stirring up drama there. And I'm sure many others won't be heartbroken if you leave...You are still not telling the full story, summer. you are making it seem like everyone except for you wanted to protect this family. that was not the case. they wanted to handle it with maturity and monitoring the family. and posting another note about how jj 'threw you out?' come on, you truly are delusional. pretty sure you met with his roommate earlier in the day, how could you not get the feeling that you weren't welcome?? he even had the grace to make other arrangements for you, and offered to escort you there. he even escorted you and your stuff to the hotel AFTER you needlessly called the police. Grow up, Summer, the world does not revolve around you. No one ever wanted to ignore the situation, you made that up yourself. Everyone was in support of you bringing this to the community's attention, just not the WAY you did it. Instead of saying, 'sorry, I’ll think before i leap next time' you decided to created even MORE drama. I really hope you leave soon.See More
April 1 at 1:10pm ·
Robin Mozingo Griffyn, you can say whatever you damn well please but to say "says a lot about you" by reading one comment I post on facebook is very sad.
April 1 at 1:13pm · · 3 peopleLoading...
Griffyn Farnsworth I don't even have to give commentary on someone like Heika, her own statements say it all.
April 1 at 1:14pm ·
Jelina Anderson I don’t ask&don’t want your forgiveness...I think its totally tacky and assholish to trash someone on her post. Have your bully session on your profile. Unbelievably UNclassy.
April 1 at 1:15pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I know I can say what I like, it wasn't up to you as to if I could. I couldn't care less about your opinion either. You should just lurk here on the comments and, though you say you weren't part of anything, still try to point out that summer is bad. You are very noble.
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Heika Courser you don't HAVE to give commentary at all. You don't live here, you don't deal with Summer on a daily basis, and have only heard parts of this. Again, you are a one-sided troll that needs to get a life. Perhaps with people that are actually in YOUR community?? I'm not arguing with walls anymore. I actually have a life, see ya.
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Robin Mozingo I did not say Summer is bad, where the fuck did you read that?
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Robin Mozingo I said calling someone jealous was bad, I don't know Summer well enough to judge her "goodness" or "badness" and made NO such comments in this thread...
April 1 at 1:18pm · · 2 peopleLoading...
Griffyn Farnsworth ‎"badmouthing and tasteless..." That is where the 'fuck' I read it, in your comment.
April 1 at 1:19pm ·
Robin Mozingo that does NOT say Summer is bad you fucking idiot! Learn to read.... that in no way says she is bad or attacks her.
April 1 at 1:20pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I don't even need to give Heika a shovel, she shows her true self over and over.
April 1 at 1:20pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth So your only comment is to point out something you see as a fault, pile on more, very commendable.
April 1 at 1:21pm · · 1 personLoading...
Robin Mozingo Griffyn, do you live here in NH? I will be in Keene tonight if you would like to take this discussion face to face with me. Obviously all hope is lost on facebook.
April 1 at 1:23pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I must now join Heika in my returning to a life, trash and condemn the messenger and show your true stripes for all to see.
April 1 at 1:23pm ·
Jelina Anderson Ps if there is any question or threat of childay safety, then there better damn well be a full on investigation to lock up and publicly shame anyone with the sick and perverted delusion that it is okay to have sexual relations with children. Im keeping my eyes on this and wont hesitate to report this to police. You all sound mentally defunct.
April 1 at 1:26pm · · 2 peopleLoading...
Robin Mozingo I can only speak for myself, I do not believe it is ok for anyone to have sexual relations with children. I can not fix anyone's problems and facebook is a horrible outlet for this since tone and emotion can not be conveyed by lifeless text. I encourage anyone who would like to sit down with me this evening in Keene and share their side of the story to contact me and I will be glad to make arrangements to hear what happened and hopefully offer the perspective of a mother of 3.
April 1 at 1:38pm ·
Anton Lee you keep your eyes on this Jelina. You have nothing but cowardice to handle a problem by calling in others to do your dirty work. Go fuck yourself.
April 1 at 1:39pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm · · 1 personLoading...
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved, I wou...ldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses? I don't see the need in degrading an entire group of people based on the actions of one or two people. ThanksSee More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:43pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth That was much more respectful Robin and if I where near Keene tonight, I would have gladly had a respectful conversation.
April 1 at 1:49pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth Anton, who is lumping you all together? I sure wouldn't.
April 1 at 1:50pm · · 1 personLoading...
April Sheets That is the right attitude Anton. Its these others who want to hide it that are dangerous and frankly making me question whether anything like this could ever work. They are reminding me of polygamists with their secrecy and cult like behavior.
April 1 at 2:28pm ·
Will May
Pedophilia is a hard issue for libertarian philosophy.

I don't feel comfortable having people with these beliefs in our activist community. I think it's probably good that they're gone. I might even support calling CPS. (Don't know how much ...I should trust CPS, thus my uncertainty.)

However, Summer, the rash and dramatic way you've been handling this is in bad taste.

I have a lot of confidence in both JJ's and Heika's character. (No comment about Ian, simply because I haven't been around him much.) They are both honest and respectable people. I'm sure it would take more than a philosophical disagreement about calling CPS to get this response from them. So the fact that this is happening is a bad sign on your part.

If you intend to remain a part of the Keene libertarian community, you need to take a chill pill and stop wildly slandering people that are known to be responsible and upstanding. It's possible to regain the community's trust-- but it's going to take a show of maturity from you.

If that's too much to ask, then I would recommend moving back to Utah. It's a sad recommendation, but I doubt you'd enjoy staying.

I don't intend to comment again, because I don't want to waste my time.

(My pre-emptive response to Griffyn's inevitable comment is that, to my knowledge, we have never met, and therefore any negative statements about my character are literally baseless.)

Good luck to you, Summer, whatever you decide.See More
April 1 at 3:34pm ·
Isaac White
summer, i suggest you just get the fuck out of there, there are better places to live where there isn't nearly as much shit. and to everyone here that knocks on utah, when it comes down to it's not such a bad place, im not mormon and i stil...l live here, sure you gotta deal with all the mormon's and the stupid law's that are passed but if you get into the right community no one will give a fuck what religion you are (or if you even have any religious preferences) and will watch each other's backs and stop shit going on (ie the pedophilia thing). hit me up if you wanna chat, and say hi to kahlil for me :DSee More
April 1 at 5:24pm · · 2 peopleLoading...
Griffyn Farnsworth Whoever would want to be apart of a community that kicks a woman that tries to protect kids and rally's around someone that want's to have sex with them is of no value what so every, ignore these hypocrite freaks. You can add Will to the list to as someone that takes not a second of rational thought to make a decision nor a minute to find out what happened. You are reading this Will, don't kid yourself. (and be care with that kid in this community!!!)
April 1 at 5:40pm · · 1 personLoading...
David Crawford I have a question....if you know a child is being molested and you know you could have taken measures to stop it,and you didn't ...won't you feel guilty
April 1 at 6:50pm ·
Jelina Anderson you better believe I will call the authorities on this anton. I've already flag this post, and my next movie is contacting the seattle times to inform them on the depravity of your so called community. you have been warned.
April 1 at 7:00pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I already know what they would do. Wait for someone else to bring it up and attack them over and over, trying to slay their character, twist the truth, and leave the person frazzled and hating humanity, and finally run the messenger out of town, then possible have have a parade for the molester.
April 1 at 7:45pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth Maybe have a beer, some pot, and an 8 year old.
April 1 at 7:45pm ·

[John Shaw]

So she called the police to get a ride because she had no one else to help her.

She obviously filed no report against anyone and went on her way.

If not, where's the police report with her trying to get Person X in trouble?

There's a world of difference between utilizing the state and pursuing the use of state violence in the moment.

Neither are particularly great, but, as they have a monopoly on that sort of shit, the former could be justified under extreme measures.

Calling the fire department, getting police to get a 2X year old single mom with no friends out of EDIT: (What she considers to be) a scary situation, that sort of thing.

Doesn't justify the existence of government to utilize it when using a necessary power that only THEY have a monopoly on.

[blackie]

2 things I have taken away from this situation:

1. Summer didn't do anything wrong.

2. The Keene liberty community is shady.

[Fred]

drama is a good name for this thread

[Turd Ferguson]

2 things I have taken away from this situation:

1. Summer didn't do anything wrong.

2. The Keene liberty community is shady.

They wanna seem "all inclusive" to the point of ridiculousness.

I signed up myself to go out there in a few years, but after some of the crap I see going down, fuck that. Too weird for my taste.

I'll take my chances here in Illinois.

[Fred]

coming through!

don't need no new hampshire...

[Evil Muppet]

and these are the people trying to sell the message that an anarchist society would work better?  They certainly are setting a stellar example of what an anarchist society will look like.  You have all of these arguments about how all this agorism and contractual society would work.  They behave more like a good ol' boy network or some high school clique.  

They wanna seem "all inclusive" to the point of ridiculousness.

I signed up myself to go out there in a few years, but after some of the crap I see going down, fuck that. Too weird for my taste.

I'll take my chances here in Illinois.

No.  Just avoid Keene, Grafton or Seabrook and you'll be fine.  There are hundreds of free staters in New Hampshire right now.  All this bad shit you always hear about is usually a result of about half a dozen people.  You don't hear about the majority of free staters because they are pretty much normal decent people. 

[blackie]

I like NH.

[Fred]

I like arkansas, oklahoma, and texas
!@

[One two three]

No.  Just avoid Keene, Grafton or Seabrook and you'll be fine.  There are hundreds of free staters in New Hampshire right now.  All this bad shit you always hear about is usually a result of about half a dozen people.  You don't hear about the majority of free staters because they are pretty much normal decent people. 

Less than 10% of FSPers live in Keene or even Cheshire County, the county Keene is located in.  If someone doesn't want to move to NH because of something that happened in Keene, like the 24th most populated city/town in NH...it certainly doesn't make any sense...but maybe if something so insignificant is that important to someone...

[alaric89]

Good detective work John. One of these days I am going to learn to quite doubting you.
I decided to keep my distance from Keene if I move to NH quite some time ago and this fucked up little story definitely reinforces my decision.

[John Shaw]

Less than 10% of FSPers live in Keene or even Cheshire County, the county Keene is located in.  If someone doesn't want to move to NH because of something that happened in Keene, like the 24th most populated city/town in NH...it certainly doesn't make any sense...

I've got nothing against NH. I'd live there if it were worth it, financially.

BUT...

but maybe if something so insignificant is that important to someone...

So now the thing that you were jumping up and down saying didn't happen is insignificant?

See, this is where your brain is like a not-brain. Kid rape and kid fucking and attempted coverups and unjust shunning aren't insignificant ever. EVER.

S'a bunch of bullshit that the perpetrators should be fucking ashamed of.

[John Shaw]

Good detective work John. One of these days I am going to learn to quit doubting you.

S'aight. Time always tells, you know?

If I used a lighter hand and were more polite I'm sure I could convince people more quickly, but my personality is what it is. *Shrug*

[Fred]

i'm feeling u

[alaric89]

This is exactly the sort of time one should tell it like it is, John. Just keep right on being the hardass we all know and love.
Me, I decided to get into a fucking philosophical discussion on definitions and shit instead of just calling out a obvious pedo and the enablers like you did.
I'll be standing here with my nose in the corner.