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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3900 on: January 14, 2011, 08:30:09 PM »

Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too

I have to say, that sounds impressive!

I'm sure they don't mean to eliminate marriage, just as the marxists did not mean to abolish property.  Rather, I suspect they mean to eliminate government licensing of marriage (what about laws that refer to marriage to determine how the married and single are treated?) as the marxists meant to abolish private ownership of property.  I like the idea of removing all reference to marriage from law.  Can you elaborate?
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3901 on: January 14, 2011, 08:40:12 PM »

Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
Who is "they"? If they haven't finished putting it together yet, how can you know what kind of chance it has of passing?
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3902 on: January 14, 2011, 10:11:07 PM »

There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that.

This particular bit of drama is over.  John has finally given a... fairly straight-forward answer that I'm happy with.  I don't feel that he would deny someone a wedding in the church specifically over it being a same-sex wedding.  I think he just wants to reserve the right to turn someone away if they're trying to do something that's not tasteful in his eyes or something, and I can't blame him for being concerned about that.  I tried to be clear all along that I wasn't expecting that kind of sweeping approval.  I wasn't expecting anything really other than to let people know where he stands.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3903 on: January 16, 2011, 11:01:36 AM »

Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
Who is "they"?
Prime sponsor is a baptist minister, newly elected to the State House.

If they haven't finished putting it together yet, how can you know what kind of chance it has of passing?
The biggest anti-gay "conservative family values" group (Cornerstone) and the biggest pro-gay group ("NH Freedom to Marry") both are making favorable noises about it already.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3904 on: January 16, 2011, 12:24:57 PM »

Even before a bill is finalized, often the text of it is passed around and that is how some may have seen the content already.

I do think there is often a lot of pure speculation on the content of bills though. I have had friends who happen to be gay tell me all about the repeal gay marriage bills and what they include - knowing full well that what they are being told is based solely on speculation. Until the bill becomes finalized, the content could change many times...so best to wait for the final version.

That said, I agree with Denis that there very well could be enough support in the house a bill to remove government from marriage altogether. Rumor has it that Cornerstone would be OK with such a bill. We will have to wait and see.

Now - since this is the drama thread - and legislation and bills is just not drama-laden enough....the gossip mill says there is a brew ha ha involving Rich Paul and Ivy and someone named Tiffany Marley. Now that sounds like drama.......so have at it.....
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3905 on: January 16, 2011, 12:29:12 PM »

Rich Paul and Ivy and someone named Tiffany Marley. Now that sounds like drama.......so have at it.....
Oh, that's old news. Menage a trois. Vivid video sponsored it. Hawt shoot, though. Saw it on PPV.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3906 on: January 16, 2011, 12:49:16 PM »

Two separate people mentioned it yesterday to me...so it's not that old. :)

And what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3907 on: January 16, 2011, 03:01:21 PM »

what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3908 on: January 16, 2011, 09:03:26 PM »

what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.


I believe that these two will soon be the stars of the liberty movement. 

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3909 on: January 17, 2011, 09:33:03 AM »

what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.


You got a real LOL out of me on that one, Denis!
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3910 on: January 17, 2011, 10:21:27 AM »

what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.


You got a real LOL out of me on that one, Denis!
... and you're the reason I still AMP, Mark

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3911 on: January 17, 2011, 10:37:49 AM »

what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.

Except Ian wasn't on last night and I only listened to about half of the first call.  Didn't find it quite as entertaining as ny2nh.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3912 on: January 17, 2011, 11:49:19 AM »



Although, gay no longer means homosexual, so it should read "1st Church of Fabulous".

In fact:

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3913 on: January 17, 2011, 04:40:59 PM »

There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that.

We discussed this on the premiere episode of the new weekly radio show Prometheus Unchained.  You can download the archive from the website (Very basic at the moment but we're moving it to a better server and expanding it as I speak) or via bit torrent.  Download from Megaupload is just a temporary measure also and archives will be moved to our new server shortly.

The discussion was fairly extensive over several segments and I just ask that people listen to all of it before they criticize something out of context.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3914 on: January 25, 2011, 04:49:32 PM »

Please consider not eating.

Your help is desperately needed!



http://www.libertyontour.com/2011/01/25/pete-held-indefinitely-ademo-caged-for-sixy-days/

This morning we had a video arraignment in Keene District Court for Pete Ayre, arrested yesterday for peacefully wearing a hat. We started the day at 8am and it wasn’t until around noon that Pete’s arraignment occurred. We spent the first hour from eight until nine passing out Don’t Plead Guilty flyers.

The video was set up in a way so that Pete could not see supporters in the audience. Earlier, people had asked a bailiff if Pete would be able to hear us and he paused, before informing us that he would, but that we should stay quiet. Michele Seven, filming the video and judge as an independent source, asked if she could say hi to Pete before the judge walked in, but was denied that privilege by the bailiff.

The proceedings began with a lengthy charge, that sounded far more ludicrous than actual events. Earlier, we had been attempting to protect his identity, but information had already been leaked as they knew his name, but Pete refused to identify. Most of the proceedings were repetitive with Judge Burke telling Pete it was in Pete’s hands whether he got out, all he had to do was identify. Pete politely asked if he had a chance to speak his mind on what had occurred, which Burke denied, instructing that the only thing they needed from Pete was identification and choosing counsel, if desired. Pete kept firmly, but politely, insisting that it was Burke that had the decision and could let him go.

At one point, Burke said one of many numerously redic things, to which Smeg laughed louder than usual. Judge Burke then instructed the bailiffs to remove us all from the room, but Smeg insisted she was the only one who’d laughed, taking responsibility for her actions, as many anarchists do. The bailiffs continued to ask us to all leave until finally Smeg’s petitions of responsibility were heard and Burke changed his statement to only Smeg, and not the entire group.

As the repetitious conversation between Pete and Burke continued, Ademo grew upset, and likely knowing Pete could hear his comrade, began walking out of the room, calling the court a joke and saying it had no life. Burke immediately ordered him arrested. We soon learned there may be an immediate arraignment and waited. The bailiffs allowed us to communicate through a partially closed door and let him enter his password on the phone so we could access it. They also ignored us listening to Ademo through the closed door later.

In a few minutes, we learned there was going to be a right of allocation (not arraignment), followed by sentencing, so we returned to the courtroom. A right of allocation is where the individual in contempt gets a chance to speak their mind on the matter. After determining, Ademo’s legal name, the right, in reality a ritualized privilege, was given. Ademo stated that he was sorry for hurting Burke’s feelings, but thats how he felt about the proceedings. Burke denied that he offended the individual, but offended the court, but insisted it was a matter of societal civility that determined the policies. Ademo informed Burke that he was never informed of these laws. This did not go on long before Burke sentenced Ademo to sixty days in the county jail. As he was being drug away, he yelled out that he would not be eating.

Smeg had been part of the audience during the proceedings with Ademo and started asking why they were harming her friends, insisting they stop. For several minutes, she stood, petitioning the bailiff to get the judge and make him stop this nonsense, but was ignored. Meanwhile, he was also demanding we leave the courtroom. Several left, but several others remained seated. The bailiff threatened arrest against Smeg several times before she finally relented, but he did not actually use any violence and remained calm, far better than Sergeant James Cemorelis or Judge Burke.

We ran outside to see him off via the sheriff’s vehicle and he was smiling and waving, with his hands in the front, as he left. I flashed him a peace symbol as the vehicle drove away.

Plans are being discussed now and we recommend writing op-eds to the Keene Sentinel and Union Leader. I would recommend reading Tom Knapp’s Recommendations for Writing a Libertarian Op-Ed. Smeg is talking about not eating in conjunction with Ademo. I’d invite people to consider joining her, if they’re interested. There is a facebook group coordinating a response as well. I’m sure there will be discussion on FreeTalkLive as well as a special show by Todd Andrew Barnett, Smeg and I *may* be on.

Videos should be coming shortly on Free Keene, Liberty On Tour, and Cop Block.

Update:

I thought it’d be important to include where you can write to Ademo while he’s caged. Pete, as he’s not identifying, probably won’t receive mail.

Adam Mueller
Cheshire County D.O.C.
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH 03431

The jail website has more information on mailing procedures, calling caged humans, and other pertinent information. Continue to call the jail and police station, along with emailing Sergeant Cemorelis is important, as well.

    * The Cheshire Co Jail where they are being held: 603.903.1600
    * Keene Police 603.357.981
    * Two officers in video attacking Pete:
    * James Cemorelis (full uniform, possible Sgt) – Number above + extension 7117 (email: jcemorelis@ci.keene.nh.us)
    * Matt Griffin (grey shirt) extension 7182.
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