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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Dylboz on September 09, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
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YOU NEED TO EXPOSE YOUR SKIN TO THE SUN TO GET IT TO MAKE VITAMIN D.
All that bullshit about the angle of the sun or overcast skies is far less relevant than clothing and exposure, which none of you mentioned.
You need to EXPOSE your naked flesh to the SUN. No one does that in -25° New Hampshire. So you get deficient. That is how it works.
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You certainly don't need exposure to sunlight to get the needed amount of Vitamin D. However, that is one way to get it. As for -25 NH, I'm sure it gets much colder than that in parts of NH but I've certainly never experienced anything colder than -20ish and that was in a freezer in TN. It really wasn't that bad, of course there wasn't any wind. I didn't need a hat or coat or anything like that.
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HR, if you want to get natural Vitamin D, there is ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IT. Sun exposure on your skin.
Sure, you can take supplements, but the discussion I am referring to was regarding why people's bodies produce less Vitamin D during the winter. It is because they expose less skin, and there is less sun to expose it too. Whether it's -25 or +25, it's still too cold to go out in a T-shirt for long enough even if the sun is out. You need to expose your entire torso and arms and head to direct sunlight for about 10 minutes (longer if you're darker skinned) to get a full day's dose. The less skin you expose, the longer you need to be out there. That doesn't happen in winter. Despite living in Arizona, I still take supplements, but that doesn't change the physical process by which natural Vitamin D is created in the body.
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HR, if you want to get natural Vitamin D, there is ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IT. Sun exposure on your skin.
Sure, you can take supplements, but the discussion I am referring to was regarding why people's bodies produce less Vitamin D during the winter. It is because they expose less skin, and there is less sun to expose it too. Whether it's -25 or +25, it's still too cold to go out in a T-shirt for long enough even if the sun is out. You need to expose your entire torso and arms and head to direct sunlight for about 10 minutes (longer if you're darker skinned) to get a full day's dose. The less skin you expose, the longer you need to be out there. That doesn't happen in winter. Despite living in Arizona, I still take supplements, but that doesn't change the physical process by which natural Vitamin D is created in the body.
I hate to break it to you, but the people I know go outside more in the winter in NH than in TN where I used to live. That might be because there is so much more to do up here.
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(http://www.swamp-rat.com/4images/data/media/1/02-Purity-of-Essence-med.jpg)
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If you were to rank all factors that go into your health, the difference between the quality of Vitamin D you get from the sun and the Vitamin D you get from a pill wouldn't make the Top 200 list. Economic freedom and the freedom to choose your health-care solutions would be #1.
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Is this a serious topic? what a fucking waste of time.
No, he was just trolling me about NH. Vitamin D from a pill is complete fine.
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Is this a serious topic? what a fucking waste of time.
No, he was just trolling me about NH. Vitamin D from a pill is complete fine.
NO, I wasn't trolling YOU about anything. I also never said that Vitamin D pills are no good, I even said I take them. You are being stupid. And you don't read.
Anyway, I listened to the show from 9/2, and during the 'natural alternative to the flu vaccine' segment, they had a lengthy discussion of why people don't get enough Vitamin D from the sun in the summer, and Ian seemed skeptical, as if it just happened magically because you could see the sun (he literally said, "I sit in here all winter long and I see the sun shining" without a hint of irony). I felt that I had to point out that the sunlight has to interact with your body to generate Vitamin D.
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HR, if you want to get natural Vitamin D, there is ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IT. Sun exposure on your skin.
Sure, you can take supplements, but the discussion I am referring to was regarding why people's bodies produce less Vitamin D during the winter. It is because they expose less skin, and there is less sun to expose it too. Whether it's -25 or +25, it's still too cold to go out in a T-shirt for long enough even if the sun is out. You need to expose your entire torso and arms and head to direct sunlight for about 10 minutes (longer if you're darker skinned) to get a full day's dose. The less skin you expose, the longer you need to be out there. That doesn't happen in winter. Despite living in Arizona, I still take supplements, but that doesn't change the physical process by which natural Vitamin D is created in the body.
I hate to break it to you, but the people I know go outside more in the winter in NH than in TN where I used to live. That might be because there is so much more to do up here.
Why are you an idiot? Are you fucking high, or is your reading comprehension just that bad?
People can go outside all fucking day, dude. If they are wearing clothes, like long sleeve jackets and hats, which is typical of the winter months, even here in sunny Arizona, they will not get any NATURAL Vitamin D from their own BODY.
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Is this a serious topic? what a fucking waste of time.
Your post is a fucking waste of time. So I deleted it.
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YOU NEED TO EXPOSE YOUR SKIN TO THE SUN TO GET IT TO MAKE VITAMIN D.
Not true. You just need the right kind of light. It doesn't need to come from the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Production_in_the_skin
Synthesis in the skin involves UVB radiation which effectively penetrates only the epidermal layers of skin. While 7-Dehydrocholesterol absorbs UV light at wavelengths between 270–300 nm, optimal synthesis occurs in a narrow band of UVB spectra between 295-300 nm. Peak isomerization is found at 297 nm. This narrow segment is sometimes referred to as D-UV.
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See, every problem has a technological solution. 8)
(Except political problems, because killing millions of people, even in self-defense, is not something that most of us are willing to do. At least not yet.)
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YOU NEED TO EXPOSE YOUR SKIN TO THE SUN TO GET IT TO MAKE VITAMIN D.
Not true. You just need the right kind of light. It doesn't need to come from the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Production_in_the_skin
Synthesis in the skin involves UVB radiation which effectively penetrates only the epidermal layers of skin. While 7-Dehydrocholesterol absorbs UV light at wavelengths between 270–300 nm, optimal synthesis occurs in a narrow band of UVB spectra between 295-300 nm. Peak isomerization is found at 297 nm. This narrow segment is sometimes referred to as D-UV.
True. Nonetheless, the UVB light has to fall on bare skin. And most lights don't cast UVB light, so unless you light your home or office with reptile bulbs, you're gonna get D deficient indoors.
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Maybe Ian tends to an indoor weed garden while nude.
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Somebody also could have pointed out that white people are more likely to get the vitamin D they need in the winter in northern climates than dark skin people are. Dark skinned people need more vitamin D in northern climates. This is why light skin people originated in places with low amounts of winter sun.
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Maybe Ian tends to an indoor weed garden while nude.
Quite possible. Well, actually, I saw him with his shirt off in that topless protest video, so probably not.
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http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/sunlight.htm
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When it comes to supplements, always look for D3. It's the most bio-available and ready to metabolize form. Others require enzymatic conversion and are therefore less effective.
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When it comes to supplements, always look for D3. It's the most bio-available and ready to metabolize form. Others require enzymatic conversion and are therefore less effective.
Borderline spam.
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No, it's actually true. You want me to really spam it up with links? 'Cause I got 'em. Even Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D) says so.
"Vitamin D2 (made from ergosterol) is produced by invertebrates, fungus and plants in response to UV irradiation; it is not produced by vertebrates."
So, D2 is for invertebrates like yourself, BJ, and other fungi. D3 is for vertebrate animals, like us humans.
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Molyneux rox.
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Most breakfast cereals are fortified with broad spectrum of vitamins, often vitamin D is included.
Milk is also packed with the shit.
In many countries, such foods as milk, yogurt, margarine, oil spreads, breakfast cereal, pastries, and bread are fortified with vitamin D2 and/or vitamin D3, to minimize the risk of vitamin D deficiency.[21] In the United States and Canada, for example, fortified milk typically provides 100 IU per glass, or a quarter of the estimated adequate intake for adults over age 50
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Molyneux rox.
LULZ :P
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Most breakfast cereals are fortified with broad spectrum of vitamins, often vitamin D is included.
Milk is also packed with the shit.
In many countries, such foods as milk, yogurt, margarine, oil spreads, breakfast cereal, pastries, and bread are fortified with vitamin D2 and/or vitamin D3, to minimize the risk of vitamin D deficiency.[21] In the United States and Canada, for example, fortified milk typically provides 100 IU per glass, or a quarter of the estimated adequate intake for adults over age 50
I hate milk AND cereal. I put cream in my coffee, and use milk in some recipes, that's it. Most cereal is just sugar in colorful shapes. Yuck.
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I hate milk AND cereal. I put cream in my coffee, and use milk in some recipes, that's it. Most cereal is just sugar in colorful shapes. Yuck.
Then stop fuckin' whining and get a suntan. Make sure you do it naked to maximize your Vitamin Deek.
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Yes sir! :shock: I'll keep my fingers crossed that the Google earth cameras aren't looking when I do.
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1) Vitamin D milk
2) Please find me the last time it reached -25 in NH. Otherwise admit you were just exaggerating.
3) The Puff and Stuff was one of a few people who actually did go out in winter in a swimsuit.
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1) It has D2, so it's almost useless.
2) Yeah, I was exaggerating, who fucking cares? I don't live there, I have no idea how cold it gets, accuracy wasn't the point. I said already whether it's -25° or +25°, no one goes outside half naked in winter, not even here in sunny Arizona. That's what's required for natural vitamin D manufacture in your skin.
3) OK. A few bathing suited minutes outside, one day in the middle winter, does not a sufficient winter-long supply of vitamin D make.
Finally, NOT A SINGLE ONE of your points is relevant to the thread. Go back and read the first post. I started this thread because the 3 hosts were talking about getting vitamin D in winter, and while they went off in various tangential directions, they all failed to mention that the natural mechanism for your body to produce it requires exposing a significant portion of your naked flesh to direct sunlight, which is largely unavailable in northern climates during the winter, for various reasons, only some of which they covered. I was annoyed that they failed to mention that most important point, especially because Ian acted like the sun just being out, whether he was exposed to it or not, was sufficient. It isn't.
Milk, supplements, sun lamps, none of them are actually relevant here. I wasn't talking about the alternatives. I was talking about the conversation they were having on that particular show, wherein they failed to recognize the natural mechanism which makes vitamin D in your body, and why most people get deficient in winter time.
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get some good cod liver oil, get your omega 3 and vitamin D, I believe red clover has vitamin D too, if it grows wild near you
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Any old Vitamin D pill will do. Don't be silly. Do some winter sports. Seriously. It's not a big deal.
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No, any old vitamin D pill will not do. It has to be D3. And again, you seem pathologically incapable of understanding that that was NOT THE FUCKING POINT of this thread. That you keep trying to pretend you have something relevant to say is just embarrassing. Stop it.
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1) Vitamin D milk
2) Please find me the last time it reached -25 in NH. Otherwise admit you were just exaggerating.
3) The Puff and Stuff was one of a few people who actually did go out in winter in a swimsuit.
Since Keene seems to be the focus, the record low in Keene was -35F.
Milk has far too little Vitamin D as do other foods with D in them.
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No, any old vitamin D pill will not do. It has to be D3. And again, you seem pathologically incapable of understanding that that was NOT THE FUCKING POINT of this thread. That you keep trying to pretend you have something relevant to say is just embarrassing. Stop it.
Yes, NH, MN and many other far northern states are known as having the healthiest people. So clearly this issue is of little important. Clearly the average person in NH is healthier than the average person in CA, AZ, NM, TX, LA, Ms, AL, GA or FL.
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Clearly, their mental health is suspect.
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1) Vitamin D milk
2) Please find me the last time it reached -25 in NH. Otherwise admit you were just exaggerating.
3) The Puff and Stuff was one of a few people who actually did go out in winter in a swimsuit.
Since Keene seems to be the focus, the record low in Keene was -35F.
Milk has far too little Vitamin D as do other foods with D in them.
Record setting cold was likely one time in the middle of the night in January. It is usually well above zero during the day, and not much below freezing. As far as vitamin d, you can expose your forearms to sun for a few minutes a day and get all you need. Time to step away from the Xbox and take a break.
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I felt that I had to point out that the sunlight has to interact with your body to generate Vitamin D.
That's not exactly true. You can get Vitamin D - the really really stuff - by taking a pill. But it won't do you a bit of good without the sun, because you need sunlight to process it. Vitamin D without sunlight on your skin is about as effective as eating a pound of spaghetti and then not having any insulin in your body to convert the sugar into energy, although not quite as fatal.
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still waiting for the last time it was -25 in NH. If you want Keene to be the focus, so be it. I wasn't asking for record temperatures unless you think for some reason that the record temperature is the average. I don't know why the record temperature would be relevant.
I got plenty of Vitamin D from my milk. So far my body hasn't asked for more. My doctor says that I'm healthy and perhaps maybe I should listen to my doctor over some genius on an internet forum.
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You asked for the last time it was -25 in Keene, and you got it. You're not waiting for anything. You're a Rubber-dumbass Man.
MacFall, you're 100% WRONG. A Vitamin D3 pill is completely ready for use by your body, no sunlight needed.
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You asked for the last time it was -25 in Keene, and you got it. You're not waiting for anything. Y
When was it?
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Zorba says that D3 thickens your hair.
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no actually I'm still waiting. I think you might have thought otherwise. I'm still waiting on you. Please hurry I haven't been outside in the daylight today and I fear I might die waiting for you. You need Vitamin D like crazy in the winter.
there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
I told my friends that rubberband man joke you made. They're laughing at you.
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
The freedomosity emanating from NH makes everyone there live longer, have whiter teeth and better orgasms. There are some residual effects in the rest of New England, but the rest of the country doesn't get that effect.
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I have a client that swears that sungazing is the best way to absorb the D. I woldn't stop eating though :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungazing
Sungazing is the practice of gazing at the sun during sunrise or sunset, when the ultraviolet index is below 2. Looking into the sun can cause solar retinopathy and lead to permanent eye damage.[1] Some individuals practise sungazing because they believe that they receive nourishment (or other benefits) from sungazing, often to either complement or replace eating food (a form of inedia).
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
grits
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
grits
That lye will get ya eventually.
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
grits
That lye will get ya eventually.
Wal-Mart in NH sells grits and for around half the price of oatmeal. I enjoy them both.
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there are lots of people up here that are dying off because of vitamin d deficiency. I don't want to die without knowing. Please Dybolz you know everything.
Wow, really? I know people tend to live longer in New England than in the South. I wonder what is killing all of those people in the South?
grits
That lye will get ya eventually.
Wal-Mart in NH sells grits and for around half the price of oatmeal. I enjoy them both.
You can't have grits without butter and bacon on the side.
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You can't have grits without butter and bacon on the side.
I add flaxmeal, cinnamon, cocoa and olive oil.
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You can't have grits without butter and bacon on the side.
I add flaxmeal, cinnamon, cocoa and olive oil.
No vitamin D?
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You can't have grits without butter and bacon on the side.
I add flaxmeal, cinnamon, cocoa and olive oil.
No vitamin D?
Who the fuck cares about that? I go outside all year round. In the winter, the day it snows, I shovel the driveway. The other days, I like to snowshoe. Besides, flaxmeal, cocoa and olive oil are all amazing food. Vitamin D, WTF.
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where's Mr. Vitamin D mother fuckin' expert? Do we need Vitamin D shoved up our asses a little more?
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I told my friends that rubberband man joke you made. They're laughing at you.
Good.
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plan on giving us the big answer yet? Or do you want that whole thing to go away now. I went outside for some sun yesterday. I wore a t-shirt and told myself that the cold shouldn't bother me as much as not having Vitamin D.
AREN'T YOU FUCKING PROUD!?!?!?