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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Scott in Winnipeg on September 04, 2009, 09:50:59 AM
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Just listened to the podcast from Wednesday. Wow... never have I not enjoyed FTL this much.
The amount of non-science, pure misinformation and clap-trap promoted and talked about whenever the subject of vaccines came up was disturbing. Usually the guys are pretty good with their understanding of science and technology, expect in this one area.
The anti-government bias is clearly clouding their ability to look at this subject from the purely scientific view since governments promote vaccines so much and use their bully like ways to entice people to get vaccinated.
And the website that Wayne was promoting? http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/ (http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/)
Puh-lease.
"Natural" things that have medicinal value are called "medicine", because their active ingredients can be isolated and synthesized, making it more effective and lessening possible side-effects. All medicine came from the Earth at one point. That site promotes homeopathy as a remedy for the flue. Yeah, taking sugar pills with one drop of water on them sure will cure ya.
Wayne scoffed at the idea of herd immunity. Well Wayne, people that don't get vaccinated for whatever reason rely on herd immunity to protect them from these diseases. And since the anti-vaccination craze has picked up over the past few years herd immunity is going down, and people that can't or won't get vaccinated are getting sick and dying at an increased rate because of it.
Ugh.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=516 (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=516)
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And here I assumed the show sucked because I called in :P
Seriously, when the FTL crew talks about pseudoscience and mysticism, it's like the Special Olympics of the Mind. Oh well, I'm going to go visualize my quarks into a state of deep peace for a while.
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it's like the Special Olympics of the Mind.
LOL. You made a good point on the show and I think it was wise to just move on as you did. I'll probably call in to chat about it with the folks, perhaps when Wayne is back on. It'll make some good radio with the conflict that will no doubt ensue :)
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I just tune out most of the nonsense. Unfortunately I think many new listeners will hear it and figure, "Yep. One more irrational, nutty conspiracy show."
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I just tune out most of the nonsense. Unfortunately I think many new listeners will hear it and figure, "Yep. One more irrational, nutty conspiracy show."
^this
I love a lot of what Sam does but he needs to acknowledge that his actual scientific knowledge is around zero and not pretend that "intuition" substitutes well for "experiment".
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I love a lot of what Sam does but he needs to acknowledge that his actual scientific knowledge is around zero and not pretend that "intuition" substitutes well for "experiment".
I agree pretty much 100% here. I think Sam is a great guy. I find him less-than-entertaining on FTL.
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Just listened to the podcast from Wednesday. Wow... never have I not enjoyed FTL this much.
The amount of non-science, pure misinformation and clap-trap promoted and talked about whenever the subject of vaccines came up was disturbing. Usually the guys are pretty good with their understanding of science and technology, expect in this one area.
The anti-government bias is clearly clouding their ability to look at this subject from the purely scientific view since governments promote vaccines so much and use their bully like ways to entice people to get vaccinated.
And the website that Wayne was promoting? http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/ (http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/)
Puh-lease.
"Natural" things that have medicinal value are called "medicine", because their active ingredients can be isolated and synthesized, making it more effective and lessening possible side-effects. All medicine came from the Earth at one point. That site promotes homeopathy as a remedy for the flue. Yeah, taking sugar pills with one drop of water on them sure will cure ya.
Wayne scoffed at the idea of herd immunity. Well Wayne, people that don't get vaccinated for whatever reason rely on herd immunity to protect them from these diseases. And since the anti-vaccination craze has picked up over the past few years herd immunity is going down, and people that can't or won't get vaccinated are getting sick and dying at an increased rate because of it.
Ugh.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=516 (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=516)
This completely. And yep, I agree, Sam should stick to calling in or guest interviewing about his activism...not as a co-host. He's just not a guy we want to listen to on most topics.
Sorry Sam. Its the hard truth.
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This, just so much this. This all over the place. More this than you can handle.
The second part of that famous quote (http://www.faktoider.nu/openmind_eng.html) comes to mind...
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"mind so open his brain falls out"
Lol I've never heard that quote before.
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You guys are just giving negative feedback as a means of fucking with the universal emissions of positivitiness that FTL has called for, so stoppit.
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I look forward to episodes where Sam is on it. Some people are more opposed to being forced to have a vaccine.
When they're wrong, why don't you smart people call them up and inform them of your opinion.
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I look forward to episodes where Sam is on it.
I like Sam on the show, when he starts to talk about "Law of Attraction" stuff I just grin an bear it.
Some people are more opposed to being forced to have a vaccine.
I am 100% opposed to forced vaccination, and that isn't the point anyways, I am reffering to the science.
When they're wrong, why don't you smart people call them up and inform them of your opinion.
I've called the show numerous time (Scott in Winnipeg) and will be sure to bring this up.
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Well, something had to balance the goodness of the discussions Tuesday on private provisioning of "public" goods.
The subjects are brought up by callers, so of course there are going to be good days and bad days.
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When they're wrong, why don't you smart people call them up and inform them of your opinion.
Because I don't know they're wrong until days after they've blasted it over the airwaves. Days later, I care less than enough to wait till FTL comes on to call them and bring up a subject that they talked about earlier in the week. The "Live" part works well for radio. Not so well for Podcast.
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In the past three years or so, (longer, I suspect) I have missed maybe four or five shows. During that time, I have never once listened live.
Not
once.
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In the past three years or so, (longer, I suspect) I have missed maybe four or five shows. During that time, I have never once listened live.
Not
once.
If you're listening to already delayed podcasts, why did you miss some?
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In the past three years or so, (longer, I suspect) I have missed maybe four or five shows. During that time, I have never once listened live.
Not
once.
If you're listening to already delayed podcasts, why did you miss some?
Long vacations in remote places with no internet access.
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I look forward to episodes where Sam is on it.
I like Sam on the show, when he starts to talk about "Law of Attraction" stuff I just grin an bear it.
Some people are more opposed to being forced to have a vaccine.
I am 100% opposed to forced vaccination, and that isn't the point anyways, I am reffering to the science.
When they're wrong, why don't you smart people call them up and inform them of your opinion.
I've called the show numerous time (Scott in Winnipeg) and will be sure to bring this up.
I understand that you probably know more about vaccines than I do. I used to get a flu shot and get sick. I don't anymore and I don't get sick. All the science in the world isn't showing me the results I'm looking for so I decided to go against what the commonfolk do.
I like Sam on the show. I don't like Law of Attraction. I too have to 'grin and bear it'. . .but in doing so usually I just skip ahead to the next caller that doesn't have to do with LOA.
I know you call in Scott, I was referring to other live listeners. It is possible to call in a week later with the same subject. I hear it all the time. They don't get mad.
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I understand that you probably know more about vaccines than I do.
I don't know all that much, as much as a layperson who reads science based medicine sites and blogs.
I used to get a flu shot and get sick. I don't anymore and I don't get sick. All the science in the world isn't showing me the results I'm looking for so I decided to go against what the commonfolk do.
That's cool, it's your choice :) I just get frustrated when I hear the anti-vaccine folks that get the science wrong, as they did on the show.
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Guess I missed it. Usually, it's when the hosts get into a seemingly endless debate on anarchy/minarchy which spans several segments...
that I just tune out, and may not listen again for days or weeks.
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I look forward to episodes where Sam is on it.
I like Sam on the show, when he starts to talk about "Law of Attraction" stuff I just grin an bear it.
Some people are more opposed to being forced to have a vaccine.
I am 100% opposed to forced vaccination, and that isn't the point anyways, I am reffering to the science.
When they're wrong, why don't you smart people call them up and inform them of your opinion.
I've called the show numerous time (Scott in Winnipeg) and will be sure to bring this up.
I understand that you probably know more about vaccines than I do. I used to get a flu shot and get sick. I don't anymore and I don't get sick. All the science in the world isn't showing me the results I'm looking for so I decided to go against what the commonfolk do.
I like Sam on the show. I don't like Law of Attraction. I too have to 'grin and bear it'. . .but in doing so usually I just skip ahead to the next caller that doesn't have to do with LOA.
I know you call in Scott, I was referring to other live listeners. It is possible to call in a week later with the same subject. I hear it all the time. They don't get mad.
The flu shot is a bad example of a good vaccine. I've never gotten it. I have on the other hand gotten a large number of other vaccines required for work in primary care in hospitals. I am also a big proponent of widespread vaccination. I'm also a pre-med senior who is about to get a biochemistry degree and currently works in pharmaceutical manufacturing.
Vaccines in general are very good for most people. Some are stupid like the flu shot. To use the flu shot as an example of why nobody should get any vaccines is just plain retarded and shows a giant lack of scientific understanding not to mention a giant failure in practical application of logic.
The "flu shot got me sick, so all vaccines are evil" argument is major fail. Let's do a basic logic statement with that: "Flu shot = vaccine; flu shot = sick; sick = bad; vaccine = bad". While the first three statements may be true in some cases, the leap to the final statement is completely fallacious and in this case very wrong.
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If that last statement is referring to my earlier post, I'm gonna clarify.
I don't believe that flu shots are evil because I get sick when I get 'em.
Never said that, and I wouldn't force a choice on anybody either way.
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If that last statement is referring to my earlier post, I'm gonna clarify.
I don't believe that flu shots are evil because I get sick when I get 'em.
Never said that, and I wouldn't force a choice on anybody either way.
It wasn't referring to any particular post, just all posts that proclaim that vaccines are evil.
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If that last statement is referring to my earlier post, I'm gonna clarify.
I don't believe that flu shots are evil because I get sick when I get 'em.
Never said that, and I wouldn't force a choice on anybody either way.
It wasn't referring to any particular post, just all posts that proclaim that vaccines are evil.
Aight. Just czeching. 8)
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I understand that you probably know more about vaccines than I do. I used to get a flu shot and get sick. I don't anymore and I don't get sick. All the science in the world isn't showing me the results I'm looking for so I decided to go against what the commonfolk do.
Same, my son almost died in the hospital within minutes of receiving a combo shot. Severe asthmatic requiring a respirator and inhalers after that, perfectly healthy before. An immediate reaction leaves no doubt it was the shot. He will get another over my dead body, which just seems like a possibilty these days... One of a thousand reasons I homeschool.
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Oh, and Sam rocks! I am more inclined to listen when he is on. What is the problem with us deciding for ourselves...
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Same, my son almost died in the hospital within minutes of receiving a combo shot. Severe asthmatic requiring a respirator and inhalers after that, perfectly healthy before. An immediate reaction leaves no doubt it was the shot. He will get another over my dead body, which just seems like a possibilty these days... One of a thousand reasons I homeschool.
What shot was he getting? How old was he? Did he have asthama symptoms before? Does he still have them? have you had reactions to vaccines? How much real time passed in between getting the shot and having the raction? I'm not doubting you, I'm looking for more info.
They talked about it again tonight while I was on hold but I didn't get on, grrr, I want to yell at Mark LOL
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The 9-12 show was the worst Saturday show ever. Ian has lost is mind, bullshit!
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The 9-12 show was the worst Saturday show ever. Ian has lost is mind, bullshit!
What was wrong with that show?
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2 hours of youtube audio which I couldn't even understand.
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2 hours of youtube audio which I couldn't even understand.
Oh. I actually didn't have a hard time hearing it, although I usually listen to the podcast with headphones on wich makes it a bit easier to pick things out.
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I called in tonight, I think it went okay.
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I called in tonight, I think it went okay.
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Re: v a c c i n e s
Scott,
Why don't you look at real science rather than industry lies and dogma masquerading as science:
Take a look at this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/mercola2.1.1.html
Questions:
Isn't it a red flag that if you're injured, you can't sue the manufacturer?
How is 25,000 times the "safe" level of mercury injected into your veins a good idea? How about that aluminum? How about those viral contaminants? (Yum!)
How is injecting yourself with s q u a l e n e, a substance which causes massive inflammation, a good idea (remember gulf war syndrome?)
Why do they feel the need to make it mandatory?
If it is so wonderful, why are so many health care professionals from around the world refusing it?
I could go on...
And please, follow the money.
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Isn't it a red flag that if you're injured, you can't sue the manufacturer?
How is 25,000 times the "safe" level of mercury injected into your veins a good idea? How about that aluminum? How about those viral contaminants? (Yum!)
How is injecting yourself with s q u a l e n e, a substance which causes massive inflammation, a good idea (remember gulf war syndrome?)
Why do they feel the need to make it mandatory?
If it is so wonderful, why are so many health care professionals from around the world refusing it?
I could go on...
I believe you could. No disrespect intended, but it looks like you are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. And that is especially dangerous when we have yet to address the threats of DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/).