The Smoking Show -- Let's talk E-Cig Liberty :-)

[SmokingLiberty]

Hey, new poster here, just found and listened to your smoking show yesterday, great show. It's getting soooo bad out there for personal freedom.. wonder what obutthead is going to do when arnold legalizes pot in california?

anyhow, I quit smoking, like your radio host, about 2-3 months ago. i have never been able to quit and have been a smoker for over 20 years. But I didn't quit the way the behavior/moral government nannies want you to quit, I love nicotine, and I still use it and will continue to do so. It's not the self-medication of your body with nicotine that causes cancers and smoking related illness, it's the smoke, the ignition of tobacco (or any ignition of anything, really) that causes smoke related illness.  I could never quit smoking, I've tried all of the gvt nanny approved ways, cold turkey, patches, gums, prescription drugs. Nothing worked.

Enter the E-cig. I am not going to post the links, I'm not here to promote any of the "brands" or anything of the e-cigs. i can tell you the electronic cigs sold in the mall are crap and way expensive. You have to get the good shit online, and it's a lot cheaper. I don't know why this is, but you won't find these in the stores. I personally use the Titan 510 manual switch option and buy vegetable glycerin based nicotine juice to fill it with. For me, it duplicates the regular smoking experience the best, but YMMV if you decide you want to try one of the many kinds out there. The e-cig produces no smoke, just harmless glycerin/water vapor.

This is a forum that discusses all of the issues, e-cig reviews, what the fda is trying to do against the e-cig, including LIES,  www.e-cigarette-forum.com  go ahead and read through all the legal stuff there and the news from the fda. You will see with your own eyes, this is NOT about protecting children, protecting public health or even protecting you,
THIS is about controlling personal behavior. End of story.  I feel better than I ever have, I can breathe, exercise, i don't smell like an ashtray and i get all of the adult pleasure of real smoking. They don't want us to have that.

There are some funny stories in that forum too that totally expose the smoking nanny agenda. We know these as the kind of people that cough and wave their hands while you puff on odorless glycerin and water vapor. Seriously. I never knew some people were this nazi until I stopped smoking and started using e-cigs.  

I would like to see you guys do a segment with the e-cig people.  


PS: to add:

Many of us make our own juice. right now, the juice is not subject to any tobacco tax because it is not tobacco. you aren't supporting any government program (other than regular state sales tax) using the ecig. the fda is trying to change that... one thing they really hate is that it is quite possible to make your own nicotine vaping liquid at home, easy and safe.

 

[fatcat]

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more thoughtful and targeted spam than penis pill spam but stil spam

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Well it seems to be an honest effort.

[SmokingLiberty]

how do you figure my post is spam?  i do not sell these things, nor have an affiliation.

well i tried my best to explain these things and the attack on the liberty of e-smokers. if someone mentions marlboro or clorox are they spamming?

i am new here and dropped in based on that great smoking segment yesterday. i'd like to hear the hosts do something on e cigs, because we e cig vapers are living in the wild west right now with the fda trying to crack down on us.

i love my nicotine and i say so without shame.

btw... does anyone here know who the enforcers are for the FDA?  .. wait for it..

The DEA.

[digitalfour]

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I thought it was interesting.

[Terror Australis]

I enjoyed reading what you wrote.I wouldnt consider it spam.Fatcat just doesnt like anything that he cant relate back to Zug or switzerland lol.

[fatcat]

forgive me for being suspicious of someone who's user name is "SmokingLiberty", and first post is a glowing report on how E-cigs

He claims he won't mention brands, then goes on to mention "Titan 510 manual switch", along with "www.e-cigarette-forum.com", presumably he's shilling for one of them.

Its possible this guys' really is passionate about nicotine vaporizers, but for someone who isn't shilling it reads an awful lot like product promotion.

" I could never quit smoking, I've tried all of the gvt nanny approved ways, cold turkey, patches, gums, prescription drugs. Nothing worked.

Enter the E-cig."

 

[BonerJoe]

This did not set off my spam senses.

[SmokingLiberty]

I like to look at the list of all of the reasons why the government and some people believe that others cigarette smoking affects their rights:

1. Second hand smoke is unhealthy (so is car exhaust for that matter, but whatever.)
2. Some people have genuinely severe allergies or asthma  (fine.)
3. Cigarette litter infringes on the property of the government and the property of individuals (ok.)
4. Cigarettes increase the cost of healthcare (and so do other all other lifestyle choices, ie; athletic people that must have joint replacements and extra muscle and bone care.)
5. The smell is objectionable. (so is the gallon of perfume you dumped on yourself today, madame.)

And I look at this list and I say to myself... let's be the devils advocate and say that every reason they give is perfectly valid and sound. Cigarettes infringe on the liberty of non-smokers, or at least they honestly feel this way, and it's really all about their rights not to be polluted with your smoke and are very sincere in their beliefs and may be truly sickened by cigarette smoke. I can truly in this case, put myself in their shoes and I step outside to smoke a cigarette, far away from doors and windows, pay the huge taxes required to purchase tobacco, and carry a portable ashtray to store my cigarette butts.

OR----------

I just bow out of the recreational tobacco market, it's huge taxes, damage to my health, and all the hell I have to catch from non-smokers and the gvt. Now, I am no longer in their market because I do not use their products. But I still get to have my "smoking" pleasure. I can blow my "new" smoke around, french inhale, blow smoke rings, get that nice satisfying nico throat hit, because it's not smoke. "No sir, I am not smoking, this is glycerin/water vapor." Not Smoke. I am, a non-smoker, just like them.     

Why would the government and some non-smokers object to someone not smoking? Do they object to people using commit lozenges or nico gum? Well no, that product is sold over the counter and free of the taxes on tobacco.

But now you have the FDA and organizations that are gvt supported like ASH running a refer madness campaign against the electronic cigarette.

And sometimes you have bubble heads that cough and wave their hands and ask management to kick you out for smoking (usually not successfully in my experience  )

So what is it? amirite that this is really an issue of the nannying of your nicotine use (pretty safe unless you have cardiac problems, if it is not accompanied by smoke) and not just that, but the nannying of the whole behavior issue, ie; puffing on your little odorless vapor device, blowing smoke rings and enjoying yourself?  So, it's not even so much the nicotine maybe, it's the smoker pleasure that bothers them? As long as you are using government approved medical products to "stop smoking and step down off of nicotine", you may have nicotine OTC in patch, gum or lozenge form.

Soooo.. if it's not a threat to my health (thus raising the costs of healthcare) and it's not a threat to their health (no second hand smoke) and odorless, and totally pleasurable for you in such a way that you have no desire to quit; then you are defiantly using nicotine in a way in which the government and the nanny non-smoker types do not sanction. 

ok, end rant. 

i'm just not sure what we're all going to do if the gvt outlaws these. i'll probably order from overseas and take the risk that customs will confiscate it and make my own nicotine juice at home using OTC pharm nico products. 

[MacFall]

I smoke because I like the taste of tobacco. I like pipe tobacco and I love a good cigar, but I generally avoid cigarettes (except for Nat Shermans, which are all-natural and smoke for a good 15 minutes if you take your time). I guess the E-Cig would be good for those who just need some nicotine, but it's not for me.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Seems interesting.


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[fatcat]

Yeah, this guy definitely wasn't just a sophisticated spammer.

[Libertarianssuck]

even if he is a spammer I loved my ecig and it helped me to quite completely. I stopped using it after like 3 months. I gave it to my buddy but he just uses it 24/7 so it probably depends on the person. Healthier for you and I gotta use it in the office at work.      ^_^

[libertylover]

Some e-cig is actually advertising on the show so is it really spam to mention it here on the forum?  They are helping to keep FTL on the air after all.  I just can't remember which one has ads on the program.

If I had the money I would be purchasing one tomorrow and I don't smoke all that much.  Just so I can piss off smoking Nazis who got smoking bans passed.

[fatcat]

Hey, I have nothing against vaporizers, they're clearly a superior technology. The guy clearly knew theres a good market to be had in selling libertarians e-cigs under the brand of avoiding laws.

I just like rubbing peoples faces in it when clearly this guy was shilling a product, and clearly the advertising on FTL is no coincidence.

And I have nothing against shilling, I just don't like the pretending (IM NOT SELLING ANYTHING, HONEST!).