The Race Show 10.5.09

[gibson042]

Also, Gene's bizarre pseudo-teleological ideas demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of evolution.  I will try my hardest to ignore his likely replies, but this is just wrong.

And I'm not claiming that "different" means inferior (or superior).  It just means different.  All of the "differences" are due to inbreeding of the "human" animal from the first two "perfect" examples of human DNA (either "Adam" and "Eve" of the creation story or the "eve" theorized by those who promote the story of evolution).  All "races" came from this original source of DNA.  All "races" are imperfections in that pool.  This is why you see genetic defects that are specific to races (the sickle-cell anaemia is a good example).  Asians have certain genetic defects that result in higher incidents of disease in some areas as do all races.

(emphasis mine)

Reproduction is messy, mutations are not the same as defects, and "perfection" would be a meaningless concept (requiring perfect clones) even if species had clear lines of delineation (they don't).  But such gibberish is to be expected from a terribly defective Australopithecine Ardipithecus proto-ape ... Synapsid ... Eukaryote ...  

[CaL DaVe]

Not all black folks should be seen as deadbeats, just as they all shouldn't be seen as victims.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Also, Gene's bizarre pseudo-teleological ideas demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of evolution.  I will try my hardest to ignore his likely replies, but this is just wrong.

And I'm not claiming that "different" means inferior (or superior).  It just means different.  All of the "differences" are due to inbreeding of the "human" animal from the first two "perfect" examples of human DNA (either "Adam" and "Eve" of the creation story or the "eve" theorized by those who promote the story of evolution).  All "races" came from this original source of DNA.  All "races" are imperfections in that pool.  This is why you see genetic defects that are specific to races (the sickle-cell anaemia is a good example).  Asians have certain genetic defects that result in higher incidents of disease in some areas as do all races.

(emphasis mine)

Reproduction is messy, mutations are not the same as defects, and "perfection" would be a meaningless concept (requiring perfect clones) even if species had clear lines of delineation (they don't).  But such gibberish is to be expected from a terribly defective Australopithecine Ardipithecus proto-ape ... Synapsid ... Eukaryote ...  

He also seems to think that if you combine all the progeny of the different "defects" together, it would create the original product.  He is this ignorant about natural selection.  He does not recognize that some of the "defects" will be selected for the whole.  To take his point to its logical conclusion, we'd all revert to pond scum if human procreation was spread widely enough.  This is the sort of crippled musing we're dealing with.

[Rillion]

Also, Gene's bizarre pseudo-teleological ideas demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of evolution.  I will try my hardest to ignore his likely replies, but this is just wrong.

And I'm not claiming that "different" means inferior (or superior).  It just means different.  All of the "differences" are due to inbreeding of the "human" animal from the first two "perfect" examples of human DNA (either "Adam" and "Eve" of the creation story or the "eve" theorized by those who promote the story of evolution).  All "races" came from this original source of DNA.  All "races" are imperfections in that pool.  This is why you see genetic defects that are specific to races (the sickle-cell anaemia is a good example).  Asians have certain genetic defects that result in higher incidents of disease in some areas as do all races.

(emphasis mine)

Reproduction is messy, mutations are not the same as defects, and "perfection" would be a meaningless concept (requiring perfect clones) even if species had clear lines of delineation (they don't).  But such gibberish is to be expected from a terribly defective Australopithecine Ardipithecus proto-ape ... Synapsid ... Eukaryote ...  

People say that understanding evolution doesn't matter-- that it's irrelevant to day to day life and the ability to think clearly about other people and morality.   In one post, Gene proved how very wrong that can be.  I guess we should be grateful to him. 

[fatcat]

It just means different.  All of the "differences" are due to inbreeding of the "human" animal from the first two "perfect" examples of human DNA (either "Adam" and "Eve" of the creation story or the "eve" theorized by those who promote the story of evolution).    

So what color where Adam and Eve?

Also where do neanderthals fit in your "perfect" picture? Are they God's prototype?

[hellbilly]

Not all black folks should be seen as deadbeats, just as they all shouldn't be seen as victims. Even historically speaking black folks have not all been victims- that's just more doe eyed white people sort of thinking... "Woe.. the black creatures need assistance for they are unfit to do well for themselves.. weep."

It's echoes of George Fitzhugh...

He the Negro is but a grown up child, and must be governed as a child, not as a lunatic or criminal. The master occupies toward him the place of parent or guardian.

Never heard of that, but yeah.. this is the way of thinking that so many people have about black folks. Totally unaware that it is actually demeaning.

[sinceredagreat]

Nothing funnier than a hardcore Christian who doesn't believe in evolution talk about genetic drift.

Even more hilarious because it's a whole bunch of white people talking about how black people feel about being black and what's offensive, when you have really no clue.

Kinda like when the whole racism thing about Resident Evil 5 was started by: white woman

The "Lil Monkey" Doll: white woman.

Honestly, intelligent black people as myself just laugh at Gene's ignorant ass and keep it moving. Nothing needs to be said on our behalf because his ignorance will cause him ostracism among his own peers (as we see). But we also laugh at the hubris of the rest of you to think you know what goes through our minds and how we feel. And as for hellbilly saying most blacks have never felt racism or discrimination, I have never met ONE in my
life that hasn't. Ever. 24 years and never met one. Debate me all you want but trust me, I know more black people than you do, and probably always will.

 I would never be so presumptous as to assume anything about what offends another person or race. I would shut the fuck up and ask, and then let that person speak for themselves.

Black people (a huge majority) have a double standard. When another race (primarily whites) bring up race it's "look at me as an individual", but when a black person does something huge in their eyes (especially Obama), it's "WE did it", and I constantly have to tell them that "YOU didn't do shit. HE got elected. You didn't get a prize in the mail or
work on his campaign and he sure ain't bailing out your ass so sit the fuck down". I fucking hate that shit, honestly.
 
Gene, youre a bigot, and I will show you exactly why black people are in such good shape and physical activites, especially violence. Seriously. I'm sick of it and if I see you I'm gonna shut you the fuck up. And I won't be angry. I will put you in the hospital and laugh about it. Now many of you are against force, but I look at the spread of ignorance as a form of force. Ignorance is why we have corrupt judges and cops. The lies, misinformation, propaganda spread by ignorant people cause many people to end up hurt, maimed, in prison, and dead. And it happensto black men such at myself that 1 in 3 of us are in jail, in prison, on parole, or on probation. So I don't get angry at racism or ignorance, but if I see someone that blatantly spreads bullshit, then claims to be a "Christian" but has no fucking clue what it means to be "Christ-like", they need a sound beating. Violence doesn't solve much but the things it does solve it solves permenantly. Like I said, I will fuck you up and go make a sandwich, to me you are less important than tying my shoes, and it would be just as easy. This threat isn't meant to threaten, but to give you a chance to reform and educate yourself, before it's too late. I pray you can, for both our sakes.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Nothing funnier than a hardcore Christian who doesn't believe in evolution talk about genetic drift.

Even more hilarious because it's a whole bunch of white people talking about how black people feel about being black and what's offensive, when you have really no clue.

Kinda like when the whole racism thing about Resident Evil 5 was started by: white woman

The "Lil Monkey" Doll: white woman.

Honestly, intelligent black people as myself just laugh at Gene's ignorant ass and keep it moving. Nothing needs to be said on our behalf because his ignorance will cause him ostracism among his own peers (as we see). But we also laugh at the hubris of the rest of you to think you know what goes through our minds and how we feel. And as for hellbilly saying most blacks have never felt racism or discrimination, I have never met ONE in my
life that hasn't. Ever. 24 years and never met one. Debate me all you want but trust me, I know more black people than you do, and probably always will.

 I would never be so presumptous as to assume anything about what offends another person or race. I would shut the fuck up and ask, and then let that person speak for themselves.

Black people (a huge majority) have a double standard. When another race (primarily whites) bring up race it's "look at me as an individual", but when a black person does something huge in their eyes (especially Obama), it's "WE did it", and I constantly have to tell them that "YOU didn't do shit. HE got elected. You didn't get a prize in the mail or
work on his campaign and he sure ain't bailing out your ass so sit the fuck down". I fucking hate that shit, honestly.
 
Gene, youre a bigot, and I will show you exactly why black people are in such good shape and physical activites, especially violence. Seriously. I'm sick of it and if I see you I'm gonna shut you the fuck up. And I won't be angry. I will put you in the hospital and laugh about it. Now many of you are against force, but I look at the spread of ignorance as a form of force. Ignorance is why we have corrupt judges and cops. The lies, misinformation, propaganda spread by ignorant people cause many people to end up hurt, maimed, in prison, and dead. And it happensto black men such at myself that 1 in 3 of us are in jail, in prison, on parole, or on probation. So I don't get angry at racism or ignorance, but if I see someone that blatantly spreads bullshit, then claims to be a "Christian" but has no fucking clue what it means to be "Christ-like", they need a sound beating. Violence doesn't solve much but the things it does solve it solves permenantly. Like I said, I will fuck you up and go make a sandwich, to me you are less important than tying my shoes, and it would be just as easy. This threat isn't meant to threaten, but to give you a chance to reform and educate yourself, before it's too late. I pray you can, for both our sakes.

Great...  You threaten me with violence for exercising free speech and immediately follow such a stupid remark with a complaint about so many blacks in prison...  (do I even need to point out the "trend" here?)

Complain, and threaten.  Really solves the "problems" that black are facing, doesn't it?  (By the way, I guess it's not "racist" for a black man to use collective thought and refer to his "race" as an entity, only if whittey does it).

Also, I hardly fit the description of "hardcore Christian" but then you probably really don't have any idea where I stand on anything, do you?

[sinceredagreat]

all I need to know is that you are a bigot and a idiot, and though you are entitled to have an opinion, and no one can take that away from you, if that opinion is inhherently threatening with it's a massive amounts of ignorance (as I'm sure slavery started and fail cascaded based off of ignorant ass views like yours) on it's face, and by learning from history, I'm gonna nip that shit in the bud, so yes I will physically assault you, because those who do not learn from history repeat it, and I don't need a repeat or slavery or lynching, and if I went to jail this time, at least it would be for something I actually did, which I guess you missed the entire point of or didn't read any of black history or watch the news in your entire life. But don't worry. Jusy don't announce your presence at any major functions and you should be relatively safe. 

[hellbilly]

And as for hellbilly saying most blacks have never felt racism or discrimination, I have never met ONE in my
life that hasn't. Ever. 24 years and never met one. Debate me all you want but trust me, I know more black people than you do, and probably always will.

The thread is only 2 pages long so it shouldn't take you long to discover that I didn't say anything about "most blacks".

Part of what I said though was:

This thread so far though has some good comments in it. Open discussion like this one is where progress happens- not calling names and getting all defensive.

Now that you're here it's safe to assume that this thread is gonna go downhill.

[sinceredagreat]

And as for hellbilly saying most blacks have never felt racism or discrimination, I have never met ONE in my
life that hasn't. Ever. 24 years and never met one. Debate me all you want but trust me, I know more black people than you do, and probably always will.

The thread is only 2 pages long so it shouldn't take you long to discover that I didn't say anything about "most blacks".

Part of what I said though was:

This thread so far though has some good comments in it. Open discussion like this one is where progress happens- not calling names and getting all defensive.

Now that you're here it's safe to assume that this thread is gonna go downhill.

Oh I'm not saying "you" specifically did...its just that most black people are tired of being defended by others, when I think its enough of us to determine for ourselves what offends us, you know.

And its gonna go downhill like a snow bunny on a black man's lap at a KKK rally!

[hellbilly]

And as for hellbilly saying most blacks have never felt racism or discrimination, I have never met ONE in my
life that hasn't. Ever. 24 years and never met one. Debate me all you want but trust me, I know more black people than you do, and probably always will.

The thread is only 2 pages long so it shouldn't take you long to discover that I didn't say anything about "most blacks".

Part of what I said though was:

This thread so far though has some good comments in it. Open discussion like this one is where progress happens- not calling names and getting all defensive.

Now that you're here it's safe to assume that this thread is gonna go downhill.

Oh I'm not saying "you" specifically did...its just that most black people are tired of being defended by others, when I think its enough of us to determine for ourselves what offends us, you know.

And its gonna go downhill like a snow bunny on a black man's lap at a KKK rally!

Sure ya said that, I made it bold up there so its easy to pick up.

We agree on the black people being defended by others thing though- that's what I said in my first post.

Not sure what ya mean with the snow bunny fantasy though..

[Bill Brasky]

Honestly, intelligent black people as myself just laugh at Gene's ignorant ass and keep it moving.
 
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Gene, youre a bigot, and I will show you exactly why black people are in such good shape and physical activites, especially violence. Seriously. I'm sick of it and if I see you I'm gonna shut you the fuck up. And I won't be angry. I will put you in the hospital and laugh about it.

So, which one again?

[sinceredagreat]

Which one of what? I said I would laugh at him both times. But if I see him, of course he will recieve a life lesson he won't soon forget.

[Bill Brasky]

Which one of what? I said I would laugh at him both times. But if I see him, of course he will recieve a life lesson he won't soon forget.

Really?  Because you're about to receive a lesson yourself.