Welcome to the Free Talk Live bulletin board system!
This board is closed to new users and new posts.  Thank you to all our great mods and users over the years.  Details here.
185859 Posts in 9829 Topics by 1371 Members
Latest Member: cjt26
Home Help
+  The Free Talk Live BBS
|-+  Free Talk Live
| |-+  The Show
| | |-+  The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5   Go Down

Author Topic: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com  (Read 13102 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

AL the Inconspicuous

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2010, 11:38:56 PM »

You have failed to win this argument logically, and then resorted to petty insults - as always.

In doing so you only empower socialist Kool-aid drinkers like PZ Myers who are active campaigners against your freedom and mine.

People who peddle unscientific bullshit and people that defend their right to do so are very easy targets, but the reasons why they have the right to do as they please remain unimpeachable.
Logged

Rillion

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6804
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2010, 11:41:17 PM »

People who peddle unscientific bullshit and people that defend their right to do so are very easy targets, but the reasons why they have the right to do as they please remain unimpeachable.

And nobody-- including Myers-- said otherwise.

Idiot.  
Logged

AL the Inconspicuous

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2010, 11:42:59 PM »

You do know how to click a link, right?
Logged

Rillion

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6804
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2010, 11:50:52 PM »

You do know how to click a link, right?

Pardon me, I thought we were discussing the post this thread is actually about.  If you want to talk about P.Z. Myers' political views, start a thread about that, and I will be happy to avoid it because I already know them. 
Logged

AL the Inconspicuous

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2010, 12:05:19 AM »

This thread is about a tax-thieving socialist demagogue who uses his throne to ridicule someone's subjectively-marketed feel-good wellness philosophy, and does this without even addressing the specific issues the victim of his ridicule brings up: forced vaccines, forced fluoridation, and so on.

It is people like you who excused the Catholic inquisition over the fine job it did weeding out the charlatan tricksters, and it is people like you who excused Stalin's tyranny for the fine job it did against religious quacks!  You can be tricked into supporting any tyranny imaginable as long as it is marketed as science and truth!
Logged

Rillion

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6804
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2010, 12:24:05 AM »

If Libman and Richard aren't the same person, they should at least be sharing the same playpen.
Logged

davann

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2010, 05:19:22 PM »

An example of government force in that article is that here we have a "public university" tax-feeder who makes no attempt to deconstruct the claims he is ridiculing, many of which are actually grounded in truth, he simply uses his "divine authority" to defame the heretic.  Mike Adams never used force on anyone, he simply offered people a subjectively-valuable alternative.  Try not paying PZ Myers' salary and you'll be Ed Brown'd, possibly to death or for the rest of your miserable caged life!



By that argument, anything said by anyone whose salary comes from the government in any way amounts to "evidence that government worshipers use violence and fraud against anyone who disobeys."  Including "The sky is blue" and "I like pepperoni pizza."  

I got to agree with Alex on this one. What is this tax eater so afraid of? Makes me wonder. Reading between the lines really is an art form. Some times it can be wrong but will at least get you in the ballpark.  Sadly, reading between the lines is what we are left with with the corruption of government all around us.
Logged

Rillion

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6804
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2010, 06:26:48 PM »

I got to agree with Alex on this one. What is this tax eater so afraid of? Makes me wonder.

Afraid?  Maybe he hates pseudoscience masquerading as something legitimate.  I know I do, and I'm not a "tax eater" by any stretch of the imagination. 

Why is it so hard for some libertarians to grasp that a person can object to bad science because it's bad science?  Is it because they can't tell good science from bad, and don't want to admit it?
Logged

AL the Inconspicuous

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2010, 07:03:24 PM »

How is he "masquerading as something legitimate"?  Did this Mike Adams nut fake the "PZ Myers seal of approval" on any of his products or services?  Now that would be fraud!

Libertarians need to have priorities - "first stop punching me in the face, then I'll tell you what a great scientist you are".  (But no one selling the "global warming" propaganda can still be called a great scientist.)
Logged

davann

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2010, 07:09:01 PM »

I got to agree with Alex on this one. What is this tax eater so afraid of? Makes me wonder.

Afraid?  Maybe he hates pseudoscience masquerading as something legitimate.  I know I do, and I'm not a "tax eater" by any stretch of the imagination. 

Why is it so hard for some libertarians to grasp that a person can object to bad science because it's bad science?  Is it because they can't tell good science from bad, and don't want to admit it?

I'll admit I would not be able to tell good science from bad on this subject. This leaves me with only ingrained sense of distrustfulness of the scientific community in general and my limited abilities of deduction. This state is where many in the populous are at. I blame big government grants to fund scientific research.
Logged

Rillion

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6804
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2010, 07:23:24 PM »

I got to agree with Alex on this one. What is this tax eater so afraid of? Makes me wonder.

Afraid?  Maybe he hates pseudoscience masquerading as something legitimate.  I know I do, and I'm not a "tax eater" by any stretch of the imagination. 

Why is it so hard for some libertarians to grasp that a person can object to bad science because it's bad science?  Is it because they can't tell good science from bad, and don't want to admit it?

I'll admit I would not be able to tell good science from bad on this subject. This leaves me with only ingrained sense of distrustfulness of the scientific community in general and my limited abilities of deduction. This state is where many in the populous are at. I blame big government grants to fund scientific research.

I don't find that kind of thinking entirely insensible-- after all, none of us knows everything, and it's natural for someone who cares about freedom to refuse to take the word of someone who receives government funding at face value.  But a) that doesn't mean that what they say is automatically wrong, and b) it doesn't mean that anything they say about matters related to policy amount to an endorsement of violence, as Libman maintains.  That's just asshattery at its finest.  We need to be able and willing to make a distinction between these two modes of thinking. 
Logged

davann

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2010, 02:33:21 PM »

and b) it doesn't mean that anything they say about matters related to policy amount to an endorsement of violence, as Libman maintains.. 

Yes, I do not agree with this portion of Libman's argument. 
Logged

libertylover

  • No Title Needed
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3791
    • View Profile
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »

It seems to me that the article is a non-event blown out of proportion.  Very possible there was voter fraud or maybe not.  Whatever, it pissed off the man and he reached badly.  His reaction is used as propaganda against him.    Many celebrities accuse tabloid reporters of harassing them and goating them into a bad reactions just so they can print a story of that bad reaction.   It is very likely that is what is going on here.   Or possibly just taking advantage of his bad reaction which wasn't instigated.  However, considering how much this person is hounded it is kind of understandable that he could have been pushed too far.   

As for this not having government violence implications you are deluding yourselves if you can't recognize propaganda and the ultimate end game of that propaganda.  "Refer Madness," wasn't a simple scientific educational film intended to warn the youth of America about the dangers of marijuana.  It was another piece of propaganda generated in the ramping up to outlawing marijuana in the United States.  Now we have the violent war on drugs which is virtually intractable even though most of the stuff in, "Refer Madness," has turned out to be false.  Making claims that this article isn't part of an overall effort toward mandatory treatments and/or making alternative treatments illegal you simply not looking at the bigger picture.  JIn, "Refer Madness," nothing was stated about making marijuana illegal but that was the ultimate goal of the producers of the film.  So while nothing was directly said in this article the tone of it and the implications of how it can be used is very clear.



Logged

AL the Inconspicuous

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2010, 09:48:00 PM »

[...]  a) that doesn't mean that what they say is automatically wrong,

The use of violence is automatically wrong.  "Science" without free competition of ideas is not real science.  If you are playing chess and you cheat - you automatically lose, even if you were in an unbeatable position before you've cheated!

I never implied that Mike Adams was a saint, but I do agree with his "Health Tips" on most issues, which can be debated separately.  I've recently discovered through personal experimentation that things like meat, dairy, artificial sweeteners, MSG, fried foods, etc are far more harmful than I previously assumed.  In all likelihood I've already lost 10 years off my potential life expectancy because I didn't listen to "nuts" like Mike Adams sooner and put complete faith in the FDA.  How many decades of my life I will lose for refusing to pay the salary of thugs like PZ Myers still remains to be seen...


and b) it doesn't mean that anything they say about matters related to policy amount to an endorsement of violence  [...]

A rational justice system cannot ignore the various methods by which evil people may try to "dilute the guilt" of their crimes.  If 20 people fire at a victim at the same time, none can be proven THE murderer because you can never tell whose bullet did what fraction of the lethal damage and any 19 can claim to have missed or only have been shooting at a corpse, each to protect him/herself from their peer's aggression.  A handful of persons may only be guilty of luring the victim, several other persons of each giving the victim a small sedative, another of binding the victim's hands, another of driving the taxi without knowing why one of the passengers was passed out, another for dumping him in the woods, and several others for keeping it a secret, etc - you get the idea, and each person can claim they thought it was just a trick, a game, or a part of their job.  (See also: the Milgram experiment, etc, etc, etc.)  A true justice system must evolve to be effective at preventing such crimes, or else with a little prior planning anyone will be able to get away with anything they want!

That is an analogy for how millions of people who constitute the "government class" within our society are able to get away with their crimes against the "productive class", especially when those overlap in most individuals to some degree.

So I'm not saying that PZ Myers is guilty of any specific crime in the traditional sense, but he is guilty of playing an essential function in the government's crimes, systematically using his government-given reputation to strengthen the government's monopoly on power, including reducing the ability of people to even feed themselves outside the government's iron grip of control, and being paid for it as well!
« Last Edit: January 28, 2010, 09:50:47 PM by Alex Libman »
Logged

fatcat

  • Guest
Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2010, 10:50:00 PM »

The sooner people stop taking Libman seriously, the sooner he might grow out of his libmanitude.

theres no way he can not know what he's doing, so he can only be guided by a will to be an asshole to other people.

which is a shame because im sure theres an intelligent and interesting person in there.

or in short version:

Cut it the fuck out libman, stop trying to pick fights where there aren't any.

If you just want to vent some shit then put it in a blog or scream it into a pillow. Rillion clearly isn't justifying what you're claiming she is, and you're raping the conversation of any potential intrigue, nuance or learning by not actually engaging what other people are saying, but going into an insane soliloquy.

IF you ignore what people are ACTUALLY saying and thinking, and proceed to fill half a page, no ones going to address you on the stuff you want them to.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5   Go Up
+  The Free Talk Live BBS
|-+  Free Talk Live
| |-+  The Show
| | |-+  The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com

// ]]>

Page created in 0.02 seconds with 32 queries.