Student suspended for running for MLKjr award

[dalebert]

From this episode:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/discussion-show-prep/2012-02-12/

I think the, as it's called "reverse racism", like awards only for black children or black history month, fosters backlash that sets us back.

Thoughts?

[Cognitive Dissident]

I think issues like this prove a point that there is a lobby that's looking for something more than "equality."  People who spend their whole political lives consumed with their angst over affirmative action, etc., look like Stormfront types, but when someone gets directly screwed by that kind of behavior, I think they've got a good bitch.  Another good example is Asian students with a 4.0 GPA who can't make it into Cal Berkeley, while students with the "right" set of genes can with a far lower average.

additionally:
When I was a teen, I was pretty pissed that I was turned down for a job because I wasn't a female, and all the people who they put at the counter position at this particular place were apparently pretty young girls.  Since then, I've come to understand this as their prerogative, but I learned the attitude that it wasn't because women regularly sue and win over such things.  This is what gets people legitimately bent.

[dalebert]

It sounds like the arguments being posed are all about the problem and making the case that a race problem exists. That's obvious. We're talking about solutions. Just as I see drug problems but don't see the drug war as a solution, I see racism as a real problem and reverse racism is not a solution. I think it's completely missing the point to keep arguing that racism exists.

[Cognitive Dissident]

It sounds like the arguments being posed are all about the problem and making the case that a race problem exists. That's obvious. We're talking about solutions. Just as I see drug problems but don't see the drug war as a solution, I see racism as a real problem and reverse racism is not a solution. I think it's completely missing the point to keep arguing that racism exists.

Exactly.  IMO, Mark had the right attitude about it on the Sunday show.  Giving privilege to people based on the color of their skin perpetuates the issue.  It's sort of like agorism. People who are fans of agorism seem to feel you have to try to live like you're in the world you want to create.  Applied to this, people who want true change shouldn't want special treatment given to anyone based on being part of a collective.

I couldn't help but laugh out loud when Stephanie sounded like the leftist in the room arguing against a black man and Mark, that she was the one who was "correct" on the issue of racism against black people.  That's a certain stereotype from my "conservative" days that I still see repeated.  (Of course, now I also see the Stormfront types for what they are when they obsess over the "unfairness" of these issues, so I remind myself not to obsess over that.)

FWIW, I used to see "gay marriage" that way too...that they wanted a "special kind" of marriage.  Then I realized the problem was the state getting involved.  I don't think it fixes the problem (any better, at least) to create a "special kind" of marriage, but I don't care any more, and instead strongly assert that the problem is that it simply isn't the state's business (or mine, if I'm not a party to the contract.)  People should be able to do whatever they want to call marriage, and it isn't my business, it isn't the state's business, and the state shouldn't force anyone to treat it like it's anyone's business. 

What does matter is that people are assured their interests in jointly owned property and similar interests are properly respected, which they should must be (constitutionally, even) if they have a signed contract saying it's the case.

[anarchir]

I think issues like this prove a point that there is a lobby that's looking for something more than "equality."  People who spend their whole political lives consumed with their angst over affirmative action, etc., look like Stormfront types, but when someone gets directly screwed by that kind of behavior, I think they've got a good bitch.  Another good example is Asian students with a 4.0 GPA who can't make it into Cal Berkeley, while students with the "right" set of genes can with a far lower average.

additionally:
When I was a teen, I was pretty pissed that I was turned down for a job because I wasn't a female, and all the people who they put at the counter position at this particular place were apparently pretty young girls.  Since then, I've come to understand this as their prerogative, but I learned the attitude that it wasn't because women regularly sue and win over such things.  This is what gets people legitimately bent.

I was turned down for a job because I wasnt female twice. The first time was for a job at subway (one of two fast food restaurants in my home town). The manager wanted young women he could hit on.  It was a librarian page job the second time, and they hired this complete idiot over me because everyone else that worked there was female. What bullshit. I'm actually glad I didnt get that job because I learned so much more about being a good worker in the job I took instead and I still think back on my experiences there in a good light to this day. I dont think that would have happened if I got the librarian job.

[Tom Foppiano]

Yeah, I thought giving a government prize to blacks only was overtly racist. However, in American society it is almost completely acceptable to be racist against whites.

Oh, and here is Morgan Freeman on the solution to ending racism.


Morgan Freeman on Racism

[Tom Foppiano]

Yeah, I thought giving a government prize to blacks only was overtly racist. However, in American society it is almost completely acceptable to be racist against whites. (At least in California where I live).

Oh, and here is Morgan Freeman on the solution to ending racism.


Morgan Freeman on Racism

[hellbilly]

Back in the ol' days the separation of blacks from other people was celebrated by racist whites.

Now it's celebrated by everyone.

http://www.365black.com/365black/index.jsp

http://www.blackatlas.com/

etc.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Two web sites does not constitute "everyone."

Saw no connection between the post and the web sites anyway.

[hellbilly]

Two web sites does not constitute "everyone."

Saw no connection between the post and the web sites anyway.

Oh hey waterboy.

Try really really hard and you may figure out that wildly cryptic post of mine.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Nice comeback, but you didn't manage to say shit.