Non of the above is even relevant or makes much sense. No one here is attempting to defend the actions of the state's agents, Rob. Well, except you, in the form of Saddam Hussein. Why don't you try and answer the question I posed earlier in this thread. It's on page 4, I think. At least think about why someone might have on objection to your ethical equation of property in land with human life (just typing that makes me shudder, it's insanity). Real quick though, if someone drowns in a puddle in my back yard (or the body of water adjacent), well, shit, their bad. Puddles aren't designed and intended for killing, and I didn't put it there to kill him. The land mine you have in your back yard, on the other hand, if you didn't clearly warn that person or they weren't obviously attacking you when they blew up, yeah, you murdered them.