Shooting a girl on your property

[Dylboz]

You are a violent thug who presumes to own and dispose of as he sees fit anybody within the geographic boundaries he claims an absolute dominion over. You're just a statist, Rob. A Royalist, and a medieval one at that.

what part of real property don't you understand?

the fence?
the moat?
the tigers?
the alligators?
the landmines?
the castle?
the vault?

all of these pieces of property will be retained via lethal defensive forces if so chosen...

obviously at the discretion of the tigers and alligators and land-mines and sharp-shooters in the parapets...


so...in the final analysis you have shown that you actually do not respect other people's personal dictates with respect to issues regarding their property...irrespective of the actual property itself...

while it should be noted that each and every person who does actually respect the exclusivity of other people's property and their personal disposition of said same...those people will get along just fine...

others...not so much...

Strawman much? I have done no such thing, sir. You've failed over and over and over again to even address the question I bring up, and you've also asserted again and again that you choose to initiate violence without respect to context or anyone else's right to life, even when no threat to your person could possibly be construed to exist, and call it "defense" just because these people happen, for whatever reason, to be within the boundaries of your property.  Up to and including cannibalizing girl scouts. You are a nut ball, Rob.

Also, you either don't bother to read what I and others write, or you just don't understand it. I suspect that you can't be bothered to even try, because you think you have the lockdown on the way things are.

[ziggy_encaoua]

Should a property owner be able to put landmines in their garden?

[NHArticleTen]

Should a property owner be able to put landmines in their garden?

Should a property owner be able to call his property "Zoo" and fill it with lions and tigers and bears and alligators...

hmmm....

[ziggy_encaoua]

It was a question asked me by a libertarian funny enough I said yes so long as there was a sign saying the land is mined

[NHArticleTen]

If you live at the ocean-side and someone drowns in the ocean adjacent to your portion of "sand-meets-water" should you be held responsible?
If you live at the lake-side and someone drowns in the lake adjacent to your portion of "grass-meets-water" should you be held responsible?
If you live at the pond-side and someone drowns in the pond should you be held responsible?
If someone drowns in the puddle of rainwater in your backyard should you be held responsible?

Does the exact specific path of the water, preceding it's accumulation, really matter?

Does the exact specific position and orientation of the accumulated water molecules really matter?

Is it any "less" trespassing when the trespasser drowns in quicksand versus a puddle of rainwater?

Is it any "less" trespassing when the trespasser is eaten by a tiger versus an alligator?

Is it any "less" trespassing when an American-born-mercenary is repelled and destroyed by an Iraqi person commonly called Saddam Hussein?

And if it's ok for American-mercenaries-called-paid-killers-called-soldiers to murder Iraqi-persons-called-police in Iraq...

Then why isn't it ok for Iraqi-mercenaries-called-paid-killers-called-soldiers to murder American-persons-called-police in America...


no little girls or boys were shot or incinerated by American Mercenaries at Ruby Ridge...or Waco...or Hiroshima...or Nagasaki...


hmmm.....

[Dylboz]

Non of the above is even relevant or makes much sense. No one here is attempting to defend the actions of the state's agents, Rob. Well, except you, in the form of Saddam Hussein. Why don't you try and answer the question I posed earlier in this thread. It's on page 4, I think. At least think about why someone might have on objection to your ethical equation of property in land with human life (just typing that makes me shudder, it's insanity). Real quick though, if someone drowns in a puddle in my back yard (or the body of water adjacent), well, shit, their bad. Puddles aren't designed and intended for killing, and I didn't put it there to kill him. The land mine you have in your back yard, on the other hand, if you didn't clearly warn that person or they weren't obviously attacking you when they blew up, yeah, you murdered them.

[NHArticleTen]

Non of the above is even relevant or makes much sense. No one here is attempting to defend the actions of the state's agents, Rob. Well, except you, in the form of Saddam Hussein. Why don't you try and answer the question I posed earlier in this thread. It's on page 4, I think. At least think about why someone might have on objection to your ethical equation of property in land with human life (just typing that makes me shudder, it's insanity). Real quick though, if someone drowns in a puddle in my back yard (or the body of water adjacent), well, shit, their bad. Puddles aren't designed and intended for killing, and I didn't put it there to kill him. The land mine you have in your back yard, on the other hand, if you didn't clearly warn that person or they weren't obviously attacking you when they blew up, yeah, you murdered them.

so I bought this jungle property a while back...seems there might be some tigers out there somewhere...

so I bought this other property where some humans fought with some other humans...seems there might be some unexploded ordinance around...somewhere...hmmm....

Maybe even something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

[Dylboz]

So put up some signs. Due diligence done. You seem to want people to get blown up or eaten by tigers, though. You don't want to warn anyone, because you just think they should "know better." Like where the line on the map is, and whatnot, because you have absolute 'Royal Prerogative' on your land to blow them up or feed them to tigers, whether they're girl scouts or bad guys.

[NHArticleTen]

So put up some signs. Due diligence done. You seem to want people to get blown up or eaten by tigers, though. You don't want to warn anyone, because you just think they should "know better." Like where the line on the map is, and whatnot, because you have absolute 'Royal Prerogative' on your land to blow them up or feed them to tigers, whether they're girl scouts or bad guys.

that's what "no trespassing" signs and fences are for...

that should cover all incidents of trespass...whether you meet the tiger, or land mine, or the mine shaft, or the flying sharpened pencils, or the rocks from the trebuchets...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet

[Harry Tuttle]

Rob should win an award for his over-the-top caticature of a libertarian.

Perhaps there would be a certain number of sociopathic freaks like that in a free society, but they would be completely self-sustaining hermits. For surely when a child-murdering lunatic ventured out of his property to purchase a new handle for one of his gardening tools he would run afoul of some little-known rule of the surrounding landowner whose land he must cross. Someone who would so callously kill a harmless human for an innocent mistake that caused no harm or damage to his property deserves to be put down in much the same way as a rabid dog.

[NHArticleTen]

Rob should win an award for his over-the-top caticature of a libertarian.

Perhaps there would be a certain number of sociopathic freaks like that in a free society, but they would be completely self-sustaining hermits. For surely when a child-murdering lunatic ventured out of his property to purchase a new handle for one of his gardening tools he would run afoul of some little-known rule of the surrounding landowner whose land he must cross. Someone who would so callously kill a harmless human for an innocent mistake that caused no harm or damage to his property deserves to be put down in much the same way as a rabid dog.

and yet, until you trespassed and were eaten by alligators...how would you ever KNOW the zoo-keeper felt that way...

hmmm....

[Dylboz]

Rob should win an award for his over-the-top caticature of a libertarian.

Perhaps there would be a certain number of sociopathic freaks like that in a free society, but they would be completely self-sustaining hermits. For surely when a child-murdering lunatic ventured out of his property to purchase a new handle for one of his gardening tools he would run afoul of some little-known rule of the surrounding landowner whose land he must cross. Someone who would so callously kill a harmless human for an innocent mistake that caused no harm or damage to his property deserves to be put down in much the same way as a rabid dog.

Agreed.

[Ecolitan]

I also agree.  Except for the part about Rob being a sociopathic freak.  I think he is not.  I doubt he would shoot the girl (especially in the shooting the girl scenario, come revolution time I believe Rob will spare at least the attractive female jackboots, he's got a weakness there, don't we all) he's just vocal about reserving the right to if he chooses.

[NHArticleTen]

I also agree.  Except for the part about Rob being a sociopathic freak.  I think he is not.  I doubt he would shoot the girl (especially in the shooting the girl scenario, come revolution time I believe Rob will spare at least the attractive female jackboots, he's got a weakness there, don't we all) he's just vocal about reserving the right to if he chooses.

a reasoned position

amidst the hyperbole and devil's advocacy...

[Dylboz]

I still assert that he does not have any such right to reserve.