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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Branlin on September 03, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
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and the follow-up calls:
Mark, you kept dancing around the larger point, but never made it.
Armed Americans on Iraqi soil are TRESPASSERS. Nobody invited them there.
Even if these kids/women did set booby traps or whatever, they -- like all human beings -- have the natural right to defend their homes and community from foreign invaders. Even the stupid U.N. recognizes this right.
All the points made by "Shadow" are irrelevant.
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
I am saying that individuals have a natural right to walk around in a mottled green outfit while carrying a rifle.
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I believe that citizens have the right to kill soldiers of a invading force, but I haven't listened to the podcast yet.
In Norway the only time tested WW2 "heroes" are the people who resisted, these include human traffickers (Jews and others to Sweden) and saboteurs.
The King who lived in exile and criticised the Nazi puppet government (and called for resistance) is also admired.
The people who helped the Nazis round up and then load the kids on the trains- not so much.
I am sorry, but the USA is on the wrong side of history right now. We are the badguys.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWifC6Ruas[/youtube]
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
I am saying that individuals have a natural right to walk around in a mottled green outfit while carrying a rifle.
I'm still not sure if yer serious or just jerking my chain, but nobody has a right to walk around MY property with a rifle unless they're hunting, and they better ask first.
But hostile soldiers from a foreign country? I don't think so.
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
I am saying that individuals have a natural right to walk around in a mottled green outfit while carrying a rifle.
I'm still not sure if yer serious or just jerking my chain, but nobody has a right to walk around MY property with a rifle unless they're hunting, and they better ask first.
But hostile soldiers from a foreign country? I don't think so.
We aren't talking about YOUR property, we are talking about public roads.
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
I am saying that individuals have a natural right to walk around in a mottled green outfit while carrying a rifle.
I'm still not sure if yer serious or just jerking my chain, but nobody has a right to walk around MY property with a rifle unless they're hunting, and they better ask first.
But hostile soldiers from a foreign country? I don't think so.
We aren't talking about YOUR property, we are talking about public roads.
Ok, so public roads in Iraq. Did American soldiers get whatever paperwork the Iraq government required for immigrants/visitors in 2003?
Not that I'm aware of, so that makes them trespassers. Armed, uninvited trespassers should always be met with resistance -- and every human being has that inherent right no matter what invisible, political boundaries he happens to live within.
LOL, what's the name of this website again? www.neocon-central.com? Or maybe www.AmericanEmpire.org?
So by your "logic," Chinese, Russian, Indian, whatever soldiers have the right to land on our shores, march down your street, murdering resisters at will?
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What?
So you're saying that someone deserves to get shot at because they decide to dress up in a mottled green outfit and carry a gun down public roads? I don't think so.
What?
So you're saying that American soldiers can go anywhere in the world they feel like, uninvited, do whatever they want, and the native peoples don't have a natural right to resist?
I don't think so.
I am saying that individuals have a natural right to walk around in a mottled green outfit while carrying a rifle.
I'm still not sure if yer serious or just jerking my chain, but nobody has a right to walk around MY property with a rifle unless they're hunting, and they better ask first.
But hostile soldiers from a foreign country? I don't think so.
We aren't talking about YOUR property, we are talking about public roads.
Ok, so public roads in Iraq. Did American soldiers get whatever paperwork the Iraq government required for immigrants/visitors in 2003?
Not that I'm aware of, so that makes them trespassers. Armed, uninvited trespassers should always be met with resistance -- and every human being has that inherent right no matter what invisible, political boundaries he happens to live within.
LOL, what's the name of this website again? www.neocon-central.com? Or maybe www.AmericanEmpire.org?
So by your "logic," Chinese, Russian, Indian, whatever soldiers have the right to land on our shores, march down your street, murdering resisters at will?
What kind of libertarian are you that thinks that people should have to have government approved papers to walk around on public roads? If Chicoms were walking around murdering people then they would deserve a fair trial and the death penalty, but if they were just walking around not doing anything then they obviously wouldn't deserve to die.
What kind of freedom loving person are you that believes its okay to murder people just for wearing green and carrying a rifle in public? People do that all of the time all over the world, and people don't deserve to get shot at or blown up just because of their clothing choice or the fact that they may be carrying a weapon.
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Sam Gunn wrote:
What kind of libertarian are you that thinks that people should have to have government approved papers to walk around on public roads? If Chicoms were walking around murdering people then they would deserve a fair trial and the death penalty, but if they were just walking around not doing anything then they obviously wouldn't deserve to die.
Piss on the gov't papers, but are American soldiers only walking around on Iraq roads? I don't think so, so they're armed trespassers on private property. They are the aggressors and have no moral basis to whine if the native people don't like it and shoot back. This really should not be a difficult concept to grasp.
What kind of freedom loving person are you that believes its okay to murder people just for wearing green and carrying a rifle in public? People do that all of the time all over the world, and people don't deserve to get shot at or blown up just because of their clothing choice or the fact that they may be carrying a weapon.
See my answer above.
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Sam Gunn wrote:
What kind of libertarian are you that thinks that people should have to have government approved papers to walk around on public roads? If Chicoms were walking around murdering people then they would deserve a fair trial and the death penalty, but if they were just walking around not doing anything then they obviously wouldn't deserve to die.
Piss on the gov't papers, but are American soldiers only walking around on Iraq roads? I don't think so, so they're armed trespassers on private property. They are the aggressors and have no moral basis to whine if the native people don't like it and shoot back. This really should not be a difficult concept to grasp.
What kind of freedom loving person are you that believes its okay to murder people just for wearing green and carrying a rifle in public? People do that all of the time all over the world, and people don't deserve to get shot at or blown up just because of their clothing choice or the fact that they may be carrying a weapon.
See my answer above.
They are when they are murdered with roadside bombs. If a soldier commits a war atrocity or murder then they should be tried by military tribunal and hanged. But most soldiers and military personnel are not committing murder nor are they committing war atrocities. So no, it is not okay to murder people in uniform. It's not okay to murder any government bureaucrat who hasn't done something that warrants the death penalty. What you are saying is that a person would be perfectly justified in bombing a military base or a DMV, and that makes you a sick fuck who needs to speak with a psychiatrist.
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There is a war. Soldiers are killing civilians every day. Should rebels send a note and a warning every time they are going to take the upper hand?
The soldiers don't.
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If a soldier commits a war atrocity or murder then they should be tried by military tribunal and hanged. But most soldiers and military personnel are not committing murder nor are they committing war atrocities.
I didn't hear 100% of the show, but the stuff I heard was outrageous. Let me preface anything I say with two notes:
1) I don't believe American soldiers should be in Iraq or Afghanistan (or anywhere else they are) and I don't believe in preemptive or "American-interest" strikes.
2) I am currently in the National Guard.
I would like to see the original source material Mark was quoting. Anywhere I've been in the military, murdering children is considered sick, just like the civilian world. If any 'soldier' handcuffed/ziptied children (or anyone) and then executed them, he would be tried by military tribunal or local courts for murder. To pin this type of atrocity on the military in general is wrong and demonizing.
When I combine this with other quotes about aircraft carriers getting what they deserve and other such stuff, I am reminded of another group that gets criticized for a lot of the same behavior: Fundamentalist Christians. They're so obsessed with their tribulations, raptures, and prophecies, that they're watching the middle east with some sick, passive-aggressive bloodlust. They want war in Israel; they want natural disasters; they want death and destruction. I recently a documentary (Waiting for Armaggedon) where an interviewed Christian said he was looking forward to watching the tribulation (AKA 7 years of horror and death on earth) from 'the best seat in the house' (heaven).
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I recently a documentary (Waiting for Armaggedon) where an interviewed Christian said he was looking forward to watching the tribulation (AKA 7 years of horror and death on earth) from 'the best seat in the house' (heaven).
Saw that too &thought it was pretty neat.
I don't understand why they're holding back though.. if the believe strongly enough that god gave them that land (I'm skeptical that they do) then why don't they just go all in and start the final war and take the fast route to Heaven Sugarcandy Mountain?
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Heard the podcast. To bad. I used to respect Shadow.
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/hijack-free-zone/u-s-military-troops-display-agression-during-driving-through-traffic/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/hijack-free-zone/u-s-military-troops-display-agression-during-driving-through-traffic/)
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That thread is worse than this one...
I think the 'fighting an occupier' argument is valid, but those soldiers were (video is pretty old) doing what they needed to do to survive after being exiled there for a year. The behavior wasn't malicious, and it was tempered (the horn, then closing in, more horn, then one tap, wait, and then get around fast). Many joined to defend the geographic area they were born in (usually for misinformed reasons). Why do you think Ron Paul has the largest percentage of military support among presidential candidates? Because many soldiers are liberty oriented, if not as principled as you perfect beings...
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I know. Just wanted a bit of conversation. The FTL BBS has become a limp dick contest. People like Dragline and Davann made the conversation more interesting so I thought I would sort of show how it could've been. As it is well gee wiz mods Isa sorry you did n't like dem der words I a did use Is a be nice now.
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They added noise. The noise is gone, and the weak discussion that was already here remains.
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I know. Just wanted a bit of conversation. The FTL BBS has become a limp dick contest. People like Dragline and Davann made the conversation more interesting so I thought I would sort of show how it could've been. As it is well gee wiz mods Isa sorry you did n't like dem der words I a did use Is a be nice now.
Was Davann banned too?
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if I recall correctly, yes.
wait, that's not right - I think he was dared in some way and it meant he would have to quit or be banned.... something like that.
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if I recall correctly, yes.
wait, that's not right - I think he was dared in some way and it meant he would have to quit or be banned.... something like that.
I thought Davann had some racial thing going on as well as spamming. Wasnt it spamming stuff that got him banned?
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Really? I'm not remembering this at all.
I do remember Davann calling me a racist a couple times though. I had the impression he was a black dude or had a black girlfriend or something.