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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2011, 08:43:42 PM »

I think they self identify as Punk.
The Sex Pistols they are not.
I think both bands hated capitalism.
But I'll bet they both would have been upset if they were offered a hug for payment at a gig.
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2011, 11:09:33 AM »

Mark,
Do you think the Progressive doesn't already tune you out every time you expose government education, welfare, or medicine? Do you not think that they already cringe whenever you espouse private property and gun ownership? Do the Christian Anarchists not huff and puff and rage whenever you deny the bible? My point is this: Capitalism is by its very definition a system of private property, which is the only condition in which liberty can survive. By throwing the term capitalism under the bus for the goal of reaching a broader audience, you are instead limiting your message of freedom.
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2011, 12:32:17 PM »

Mark,
Do you think the Progressive doesn't already tune you out every time you expose government education, welfare, or medicine?
Some surely must. However, I have seen my message work in both real life and on the radio. If your system is better, that leaves the market place open to competition; and now we are back to the "If you think you can do it better..." conversation.

Do you not think that they already cringe whenever you espouse private property and gun ownership?
Perhaps the tried and true Progressive does, but they are not the only people that listen to Progressive Radio. 58% of talk radio listeners self-identify as neither Democrat nor Republican. http://talkers.com/online/?p=7286

It used to be 68%, I guess the Republicans have been successful recently.

Do the Christian Anarchists not huff and puff and rage whenever you deny the bible?
Some do, a few may come to the realization that what they believe is false, but I don't do a show about religion and I don't really care if a Christian comes to believe what I do. When I speak about a religion I am speaking what is true for me at the time and screwing with the ignorant, because it is fun. I have no intention of really converting them, because it is not germane to my goal, liberty (at least more of it) in my lifetime.

My point is this: Capitalism is by its very definition a system of private property,
Some experts would disagree. I don't, but my definition doesn't matter, only the definition of who is listening does.

which is the only condition in which liberty can survive.
I suppose you are right. I can't think of another, but I welcome others to try their schemes. That is why I believe in the Free Market, it is not necessarily limited to Capitalism. If some people want to make bread in a commune and trade it for eggs with the commune next door, I don't care and I am not going to try to stand there and demand that they call their system of exchange capitalism, because my time can be better spent.
By throwing the term capitalism under the bus for the goal of reaching a broader audience, you are instead limiting your message of freedom.
You are going to have to back that statement up. We just hit 90 stations this week. We are probably the largest truly pro-freedom media source on the planet, and if we aren't then give us a couple of years.
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2011, 01:32:26 PM »

Keep my points in perspective here. I'm not saying your show is terrible and unbearable. I'm saying that you're willing to draw lines for not turning off listeners in many areas and that I think the decision to exclude capitalism is arbitrary.
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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2011, 01:56:39 PM »

Keep my points in perspective here. I'm not saying your show is terrible and unbearable. I'm saying that you're willing to draw lines for not turning off listeners in many areas and that I think the decision to exclude capitalism is arbitrary.

I'm not saying you think FTL is terrible and unbearable, I am just lending perspective. We are wildly successful, to my mind. So, we must be doing *something* right. I don't know what it is. It could be our way of attempting to make liberty palatable to as many people as possible. More likely, it is that we are the right type of show for a nation that is taking a swing towards liberty now, that we are young, tenacious and have a station friendly contract.

I would have to agree, my decision is arbitrary. None of assumptions are backed by double blind studies, but neither are yours. So, I guess we are left to making arbitrary decisions. I don't know what a focus group would cost, but I bet it will be more than 10 grand. Care to up your AMP :).
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 08:41:24 AM »

How did you know I was AMP? Its not on here.
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 11:41:23 AM »

Capitalism is a specific economic system that would likely arise in a state of great freedom (i.e. a free market). Saying "I support freedom" instead of "I support capitalism" is like saying "I support gun rights" instead of "I support shooting someone who comes at me with a knife."
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2011, 02:14:14 PM »

Capitalism is a specific economic system that would likely arise in a state of great freedom (i.e. a free market). Saying "I support freedom" instead of "I support capitalism" is like saying "I support gun rights" instead of "I support shooting someone who comes at me with a knife."

Name me any other economic system that is both private property-based and laissez faire (spelling?). Communism? nope. Fascism? nope. socialism? nope. Any others?
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2011, 03:06:01 PM »

How did you know I was AMP? Its not on here.

I didn't know, I just assumed without looking. You certainly seem to care deeply about the show.
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2011, 03:19:04 PM »

I dont know why people get down on Ian and Mark for thinking they can change people over to liberty from other beliefs. People do change their beliefs over time and shows like this assist in positive ways. I used to be a left wing standard "anarchist" but FTL was an instrumental piece of the change in my views that led me to anarcho-capitalism (agorism, voluntaryism, etc).
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2011, 07:07:58 PM »

I have nothing against them "converting" people. I'm all for it. I just don't think they should down the word capitalism in the process.
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2011, 07:30:07 PM »

I have nothing against them "converting" people. I'm all for it. I just don't think they should down the word capitalism in the process.

Now that is something I can get behind! If your complaint is that We shouldn't *bash* capitalism, then I can see that. Instead of saying that I don't like capitalism, I think you are right that I should say something like "Capitalism means different things to different people, so I won't necessarily align myself with it, but I do believe that free people should be able to trade with other people without state hindrance."
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2011, 01:54:29 PM »

Then you believe in capitalism. Tell me, what other economic system is compatible with freedom?
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Re: Negative Nancy
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2011, 01:59:27 PM »

free exchange
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2011, 02:04:41 PM »

Then you believe in capitalism.
I have never disagreed that I am a capitalist by your definition of the word. I have simply stated (repeatedly) that your definition is no where near universal, thus I shan't align myself with the word.

Tell me, what other economic system is compatible with freedom?
All other economic systems are compatible with freedom, so long as none of the adherents uses force to meet their ends. I am against monopolies and violence. Those are words that people understand.
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