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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Davy on January 11, 2010, 10:18:41 PM
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I heard on the show the other night that mark regrets the tattoos he has and thinks they are a bad decision.
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo soon and I'm interested in your reasoning mark. Especially as you're a little older and wiser now and probably know a bunch of stuff I don't know yet.
Thanks!
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Don't do it.
If I didn't already have some, I wouldn't get any more.
That said, I just got inked tonight.
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I'm going to get at least one, probably on my chest. I see no reason to regret it, since it will have significant meaning to me.
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Well I made this and am thinking of getting it on my neck with the birds ending up sort of up behind my ear, the whole thing would probably be about 4x4 inches
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/davyjames/spade-bird-finished.jpg)
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I have one and plan on getting others. I don't regret mine per se, I think it's just dandy, but it's almost entirely meaningless for me and my others will not be.
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Two reasons not to get tatts:
The government like to photograph them when you get arrested, and also with telephoto lenses when you are in a crowd for easy ID from afar.
If they are visible in casual dress, they can effect your work image resulting in financial damage.
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I wouldn't get a tattoo that is anywhere near your face if I was you. Personally, I wont be getting one that cant be covered up by shorts and a t-shirt.
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It's beautiful. How much $ is it worth to you? Even in my job I might figure a tattoo on my neck would cost me 3-5K/yr.
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Really good design..
Usually tats on the neck happen when you run out of space everywhere else. But if that's where you think it fits then go for it.
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neck is not the usual spot for a first tattoo but if your happy with it, go for it. me and my husband are both moderately tattooed and in our lines of work it has not held us back financially at all. i will however say, some of his larger tattoos were acquired after making sure his job would remain HIS JOB with new tattoos.
i can say that i have tattoos i think are stupid now, but i wouldn't get rid of them. i wanted to be as rebellious as possible when i turned 17 and i can look at the wrinkly faded tattoos with i turn 80 and remember how stupid i was to think tattoos would make me a bad ass and laugh my head off (i am learning tattooing and i will continue to get tattooed but my taste has changed and my artists are much better now than the ones who tattooed me as a teenager)
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I've got three, will probably get a fourth eventually. I'm less than happy with the design of the first one I got, and plan to get it re-worked at some point.
Only get a neck tattoo if you work in a field where they are acceptable and you plan to stay in that field or one like it for the rest of your life. Seems like chefs, for example, can get inked from head to toe and it doesn't hurt their careers any.
Your design is nice, but it's one that you would probably want to get as large as possible (within reason, of course) in order to avoid losing detail on the birds...make it too small and after a few years they'll just look like black blotches. A good rule of thumb is if the tattoo artist says "We should really not go smaller than X," believe him/her.
I laugh when people tell me that my tattoos will be wrinkly when I'm 80-- of course they will be. ALL of me will be wrinkly when I'm 80, tattooed or not! But you only live once, so if you really want ink you should get it. Just think very carefully about the placement, the design, and the significance.
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You could always do what eve savail did and shave your head. Once you get tired of the tattoo simply grow your hair back.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/3829794807_8334e3c8d2.jpg)
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near permanent = bad idea.
the reason why people regret tattoos is the same reason people regret marriage.
people change over time, not to mention skin sags, people get fat, get thin and get wrinkly which makes tattoos look shit.
which makes tattooing the name of someone you married ultra regrettable.
You can get temporary tattoo inks that last for months, to years. You can also get removable tattoos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_tattoo#Removable_tattoos), both of these are done with with a tattoo gun and still hurt if that ego shit matters to you.
Plenty of people never regret tattoo's, but why make it permanent when theres now little downsides to semi-permanent ones?
Not only does this allow you to easily change back if you change your mind about it, but it allows you to have many different tattoos over the period of your life.
If you're using deep skin permanent ink, theres only a certain amount of canvas you get to use up.
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I just checked into this thread hoping to see choice pics of Mark's tats.
Rillion's will do in a pinch.
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i wouldn't want to get tattoos that were meant to fade on purpose, i love my tattoos, even the shitty ones... i like knowing they will be with me tru thick or thin, even if they get weathered and shrivel with my skin as i age.
i love seeing old sailors with gnarly blue blown out faded anchors and shit down their arms.
to tell you the truth, if i manage to get good enough to WORK in a tattoo shop. i would not want to offer "temporary" tattoos. yeah i would maybe get more business from the same people over and over again thru the years, but i just prefer traditional "stick on your ass forever" tattoos :D
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You either get one or you don't.
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i wouldn't want to get tattoos that were meant to fade on purpose, i love my tattoos, even the shitty ones... i like knowing they will be with me tru thick or thin, even if they get weathered and shrivel with my skin as i age.
i love seeing old sailors with gnarly blue blown out faded anchors and shit down their arms.
to tell you the truth, if i manage to get good enough to WORK in a tattoo shop. i would not want to offer "temporary" tattoos. yeah i would maybe get more business from the same people over and over again thru the years, but i just prefer traditional "stick on your ass forever" tattoos :D
I really don't get this attitude.
would people get a hat they really like surgically attached to their head?
I don't get the whole "its ballsy/permanent so its cool" thing, so is hacking off cock and eating it.
I think its one of those self-enforcing things like smoking where everyone who's gotten a tattoo and maybe regretted has to buy into some bullshit of why the sucky parts of it are actually good.
its not a permanent mistake, its a mark of courage and individuality,
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The permanence itself is part of the allure and mystique. A lot of creativity goes into the conceptualization of design knowing its permanent. And a lot of fail happens when people don't think it through.
Semi-permanent ink makes all that stuff trivial.
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The permanence itself is part of the allure and mystique. A lot of creativity goes into the conceptualization of design knowing its permanent. And a lot of fail happens when people don't think it through.
Semi-permanent ink makes all that stuff trivial.
That's pretty much it-- I don't give a damn about being "ballsy." The point is that it's a committment, and a committment is a statement to both yourself and the rest of the world with whom you choose to share it.
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The following post is brought to you by fatcat's desire to over-analyze trivial topics, don't read if you get bored easy or think you'll get riled by someone who has no tattoos bitching about tattoos for a full page.
The permanence itself is part of the allure and mystique. A lot of creativity goes into the conceptualization of design knowing its permanent. And a lot of fail happens when people don't think it through.
Semi-permanent ink makes all that stuff trivial.
Exactly my point.
No tattoo is really permanent, its just whether you want scarring or not when you decide you want it gone.
It seems dumb because its really fake bravado. Faux self destructive rock and roll for people who want to (metaphorical) face paint and seem 'edgy' and 'alternative'. (not the artwork but the idea that a permanent tattoo means more than a temp or an airbrush)
Why is it that a 3 year temporary tattoo would be seen as any worse than the same ink on a permanent tattoo? because its not really about the art but about the ego. You could get the 3 year tattoo redone every 3 years till death, its just as permanent because you've made it permanent, an undying commitment to the art and what it represents.
Its as dumb as marriage. The idea that somehow its unfavorable or cowardly to accept that people change over time, and you might want to change your life and have something different. Divorce and tattoo removal scars are the same gross monument to this immature obsession with fake permanency.
How many people have covered up tattoos of ex-lovers names is a fucking beauteous example of this.
Is saying, "I will be the same person I am now for the rest of my life" meant to be a good thing?
it seems a weird attempt to inject some artificial importance. its not enough that you have artwork, its gotta be 'permanent'. its not enough that you're in love, its got to be 'permanent'. (the unmentioned subtext that if you actually changed your mind later on you'd just get a divorce or ink removal)
The only permanency of marriage is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with this person. The only permanency of a tattoo is every day you wake up and decide you still want it on your arm.
In fact the commitment is greater with a temp-tattoo, because there'd be no bad reason to keep it. If you have a permanent one, then one day you might look down at it and think, that looks kind of sad, or that doesn't really represent who i am anymore, but you won't remove it cause it costs too much and would leave a scar.
Plus temp-perm ones look cooler cause they get redone more often so the ink stays crisper, more colorful etc.
Or maybe im just being a kiljoy, i dunno.
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Fading is part of the process. Its like having a little gray in your beard when they aren't shiny and crisp anymore.
You are paying virtually no attention whatsoever to the mindset, which is the most important part of the whole thing.
The traditional application of ink goes back a long ways, as you're aware. Even with the modern electric gun, its still an old practice. This modern temporary shit, I just wave my hand in dismissal. I wouldn't even consider it.
But if you think its better, great. You have an opinion. More exercise in non-applicable logic, just like everything else around here.
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Also, since you're talking about scarring and other stuff further reinforcing little actual knowledge, look up "wrecking balm".
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The only permanency of marriage is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with this person.
:/ You need to make sure you communicate this to anyone you intend to marry cuz there WILL be many days you don't feel that way and your partner just might be the sort to think the difference between a live in boy/girlfriend and a husband/wife is that married people stay together through times like that.
If someone were to marry me with your attitude about marriage I would feel I had a legitimate fraud complaint.
What's all this talk about the significance of tattooing? It's different for everyone, nothing wrong with temporary ink, maybe it's not what YOU would do but so what. If your interpretation of the purpose of tattooing excludes temporary tattoos then it clearly doesn't mean the same thing to you than it does to the person who got a temp.
I don't see myself getting a temporary tattoo. For me the tattoo would be meaningful and permanence would be part of it. I'm glad I didn't get one in the military when everyone else was. The permanence would be awful.
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The only permanency of marriage is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with this person.
:/ You need to make sure you communicate this to anyone you intend to marry cuz there WILL be many days you don't feel that way and your partner just might be the sort to think the difference between a live in boy/girlfriend and a husband/wife is that married people stay together through times like that.
If someone were to marry me with your attitude about marriage I would feel I had a legitimate fraud complaint.
What's all this talk about the significance of tattooing? It's different for everyone, nothing wrong with temporary ink, maybe it's not what YOU would do but so what. If your interpretation of the purpose of tattooing excludes temporary tattoos then it clearly doesn't mean the same thing to you than it does to the person who got a temp.
I don't see myself getting a temporary tattoo. For me the tattoo would be meaningful and permanence would be part of it. I'm glad I didn't get one in the military when everyone else was. The permanence would be awful.
Definition of tattoo -
A tattoo is a permanent marking made by inserting indelible ink into the layers of skin to change the pigment for decorative or other reasons.
So, temporary tattoo isn't a tattoo at all. Its like calling a screw a nail. Perhaps they (the industry) should begin calling them 'temptoos'.
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tat·too 1 (tā-tōō')
n. pl. tat·toos
A signal sounded on a drum or bugle to summon soldiers or sailors to their quarters at night.
A display of military exercises offered as evening entertainment.
A continuous, even drumming or rapping.
v. tat·tooed, tat·too·ing, tat·toos
v. intr.
To beat out an even rhythm, as with the fingers.
v. tr.
To beat or tap rhythmically on; rap or drum on.
[Alteration of Dutch taptoe, tap-shut (closing time for taverns), tattoo : tap, spigot, tap (from Middle Dutch tappe) + toe, shut (from Middle Dutch; see de- in Indo-European roots).]
tat·too 2 (tā-tōō')
n. pl. tat·toos
A permanent mark or design made on the skin by a process of pricking and ingraining an indelible pigment or by raising scars.
A design made on the skin with a temporary dye such as henna or ink.
in⋅del⋅i⋅ble [in-del-uh-buhl] Show IPA
Use indelible in a Sentence
–adjective
1. making marks that cannot be erased, removed, or the like: indelible ink.
2. that cannot be eliminated, forgotten, changed, or the like: the indelible memories of war; the indelible influence of a great teacher.
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Its good that you managed to find some mention of temporary markings, I'm glad the modern fags get to have a say in it. Maybe tomorrow it'll include the practice of lightly dusting glitter across the cheekbones before going to a rave.
You'll notice the word itself has a primary definition of making a rhythmic sound, which originates in Polynesian as tatau, the practice of whacking a sharp stick into warrior taptaptaptaptap and leaving him inked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%27a
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What about UV tattoos? Nearly invisible.
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The only permanency of marriage is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with this person.
:/ You need to make sure you communicate this to anyone you intend to marry cuz there WILL be many days you don't feel that way and your partner just might be the sort to think the difference between a live in boy/girlfriend and a husband/wife is that married people stay together through times like that.
If someone were to marry me with your attitude about marriage I would feel I had a legitimate fraud complaint.
What's all this talk about the significance of tattooing? It's different for everyone, nothing wrong with temporary ink, maybe it's not what YOU would do but so what. If your interpretation of the purpose of tattooing excludes temporary tattoos then it clearly doesn't mean the same thing to you than it does to the person who got a temp.
I don't see myself getting a temporary tattoo. For me the tattoo would be meaningful and permanence would be part of it. I'm glad I didn't get one in the military when everyone else was. The permanence would be awful.
Definition of tattoo -
A tattoo is a permanent marking made by inserting indelible ink into the layers of skin to change the pigment for decorative or other reasons.
So, temporary tattoo isn't a tattoo at all. Its like calling a screw a nail. Perhaps they (the industry) should begin calling them 'temptoos'.
My whole point is that its not really permanent, its just fake permanent, like marriage is fake permanent.
So all the bravado about it being permanent and therefore there being inherently meaningful go out the window, same as they would with a temp.
You can get em lasered, you can ink over em, you can flay your skin off if you want. (the only difference with a removable tattoo its way cheaper, quicker and doesnt scar)
imo its just people who don't want to get a temp (or a easily removable) tattoo cause if they tell people its not 'permanent' permanent, then it doesn't seem as cool.
Its good that you managed to find some mention of temporary markings, I'm glad the modern fags get to have a say in it.
QED
you're still painting yourself with ink no matter what type of tattoo you get, how faggy is that? oh wait, not. being 'faggy' is probably one of my least important concerns, right up there with "thinking too much"
(if i had gotten tattoos when i was 14 I could be covered in communist symbols, not something I'd want to carry for the rest of my life, so I'd have them removed anyway)
Its the exact same fucking thing that happens with marriage.
If you decide you want to stick with it, you can pretend like making it "permanent" actually mattered.
If you decide you want to get rid of it, non of the permanency actually matters anymore.
so its just whether you want to lie to yourself and tell yourself its permanent so you can rub your ego and get some bullshit accolades from other people.
You could say all the same things about the permanently stitching a hat on but no one does it because no one would buy into it, people would just think its fucking stupid and not cool.
If you have a cool hat, you don't get bonus points for having it permanent.
Deciding you're going to wear the same hat for the rest of your life is a bold move, its faggy to have a temporary hat that you don't have the balls to stick with.
"what if you want to take the hat off?"
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The only permanency of marriage is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with this person.
:/ You need to make sure you communicate this to anyone you intend to marry cuz there WILL be many days you don't feel that way and your partner just might be the sort to think the difference between a live in boy/girlfriend and a husband/wife is that married people stay together through times like that.
If someone were to marry me with your attitude about marriage I would feel I had a legitimate fraud complaint.
married people stay together through times like that.
No they don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#United_States)
Would you stay with someone for 40 years you didn't want to be with on the off chance one day decide you want to be with them? Of course not.
So you're not really talking about that, you're just talking about occasional doubts that happen in any relationship.
I didn't say leave a relationship the first time anything bad happens, I said the only thing that makes it permanent is every day you wake up and decide you still want to be with that person. The whole not leaving someone over some temporary issues is part of that.
Its implicit in both relationships (married and non married), its just one is immature and lies about it and one doesn't.
The only difference is whether you choose to lie to yourself and act like it really is "till death do us part", and not really "till you or i change as a person and decide I don't want to be with you anymore"
People in long term non married relationships stay together for the same reasons as married people, a continued love and willingness to be in a relationship.
Except theres an unfortunate 3rd case with married people where they stay together cause they actually buy into the marriage mythology and don't think they should divorce even if they don't love or care for the other person.
There was a time a lot of people lived like that. They'd get married at 20 and stay married til death even if they hated the person because it "wasn't done" to get divorced. Its fucking sad.
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I have a few tattoos myself and plan on getting more. I just really like the idea there being something other than skin on my skin. Skin with pictures on it is much more interesting.
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I don't know anyone who is married 40+ years and won't admit there was a period of years they wanted it to end. And every one of those are glad it didn't end. If you want to be 80 and looking back on life w/ someone you shared it with you will have had to weather those years. Marriage is a contract to accomplish just that. If that's not your intention you're not married in your head, just by law where it counts least.
AND yes, they do. It's divorced people that don't. EVERYONE who has been with someone a significant period of time loves and cares for them though perhaps not in a romantic way. If everlasting romance is your goal it requires an endless stream of lovers and ends with you dying alone.
The only difference is whether you choose to lie to yourself and act like it really is "till death do us part", and not really "till you or i change as a person and decide I don't want to be with you anymore"
See, for some it's not a lie. They're the happiest people I know. I'm sad for you right now. Not becuase you're not the marrying type but because you can't even fathom what that would be like so much you think that it does not exist or that people that have it are lying to themselves. You must be very unhappy.
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The only difference is whether you choose to lie to yourself and act like it really is "till death do us part", and not really "till you or i change as a person and decide I don't want to be with you anymore"
See, for some it's not a lie. They're the happiest people I know. I'm sad for you right now.
Yeah, for some people those two aren't mutually exclusive. They stay together until somebody doesn't want to be with the other anymore, and that's never. My paternal grandparents were like that-- they loved each other dearly until he died one day, and she died two days later.
I wouldn't say those people are somehow better than everyone else. To a certain extent they're just luckier, and probably they work harder. But they sure seem to think it's worth it.
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Temporary ink should be mandatory for all trendy tattoo work ("tribal", Taz, etc.).
There's also the option of glow in the dark tats, not visible except under blacklights.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2d006jk.jpg)
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(if i had gotten tattoos when i was 14 I could be covered in communist symbols, not something I'd want to carry for the rest of my life, so I'd have them removed anyway)
That doesn't surprise me. Y'see, even when I was fourteen and stoned out of my fucking gourd every day, I still knew communism was for assholes, and stealing shit out of peoples cars was no damn good.
Some people just don't know what they want. Seems to me, you're easily influenced by vagaries - which is probably why you try so hard to invalidate everything - that which is left behind in your wicked-awesome logic filter must therefore be the best and is irrefutable. I'm more of a traditionalist. I know what I like, give it a pass or fail and move on. Saves me all the Dexters laboratory bullshit, leaves more time for enjoyment. You should learn to loosen up a little, Friendo. Trust your instincts.
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Dont listen to him Fatcat! Logic and reasoning are the only logical option. Stay the course.
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i wouldn't want to get tattoos that were meant to fade on purpose, i love my tattoos, even the shitty ones... i like knowing they will be with me tru thick or thin, even if they get weathered and shrivel with my skin as i age.
i love seeing old sailors with gnarly blue blown out faded anchors and shit down their arms.
to tell you the truth, if i manage to get good enough to WORK in a tattoo shop. i would not want to offer "temporary" tattoos. yeah i would maybe get more business from the same people over and over again thru the years, but i just prefer traditional "stick on your ass forever" tattoos :D
I really don't get this attitude.
would people get a hat they really like surgically attached to their head?
I don't get the whole "its ballsy/permanent so its cool" thing, so is hacking off cock and eating it.
I think its one of those self-enforcing things like smoking where everyone who's gotten a tattoo and maybe regretted has to buy into some bullshit of why the sucky parts of it are actually good.
its not a permanent mistake, its a mark of courage and individuality,
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you don't get the attitude? it is not an attitude, it is the way i feel about tattooing and being tattooed. i was not shoving anything down anyones throat rudely or being a bitch about anything. it is personal preference, not an attitude. if i have a shop one day i will not cater to people who want temporary tattoos...... most businesses cater to certain customers and i am not interested in dealing with people that are not sure they want something permanent (or fake permanent as you put it). there is nothing wrong with liking traditional tattooing and catering to that crowd.
i don't buy into anything anymore, i have tattoos, good bad ugly, no regrets. ok so when i was a kid i got some tattoos because i thought they would make me cool and they are not as good as my newer tattoos. i grew up. i get tattooed now because i enjoy being tattooed, i like the process in general, i like having the ink on my arm when i wake up every morning, it makes me smile. and since i really like it, i do not want to have to pay every few years to have it re done, no one can redo the same tattoo exactly how it was over and over again, it would continue to change even if the change is not noticed by anyone else.
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There's also the option of glow in the dark tats, not visible except under blacklights.
Nice .... tats. Perky.
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There's also the option of glow in the dark tats, not visible except under blacklights.
Nice .... tats. Perky.
Glow in the dark are really a chick thing aren't they? On a woman totally sexy not so sure on a dude.
Anyway I have an entry for most disturbing tattoo.
(http://www.bestoday.com.au/sick/images/PrimateTattoo.jpg)
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If you want a daily dose of horrid tattoos, check out Ugliest Tattoos (http://ugliesttattoos.com/). I had no idea that there were that many disgusting, poorly done, or sheer WTF? tattoos out there.
That monkey butt one was on there, as well as stuff like this:
(http://ugliesttattoos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/129025685398401313.jpg)
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I find it perverted and disgusting that a man would masturbate up and to the left.
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I heard on the show the other night that mark regrets the tattoos he has and thinks they are a bad decision.
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo soon and I'm interested in your reasoning mark. Especially as you're a little older and wiser now and probably know a bunch of stuff I don't know yet.
Thanks!
Don't know about Mark but my life philosophy is to do the opposite of what the masses are doing because they are fucked in the head. In the past decade or so tats have become extremely popular. To me at first glance of a person with a tat I assume the person is a member of the sheeple and potentially an extreme moron.
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At least some people can get a kick out of it:
(http://ugliesttattoos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/dottedline_christian-P.jpg)
I don't think I'll ever get tattooed, but i can appreciate good ink on others.
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Don't know about Mark but my life philosophy is to do the opposite of what the masses are doing because they are fucked in the head. In the past decade or so tats have become extremely popular. To me at first glance of a person with a tat I assume the person is a member of the sheeple and potentially an extreme moron.
I'm pretty sure that the majority of people still do not have tattoos. So maybe you should be assuming that people without them are "members of the sheeple and potentially extreme morons."
Or maybe (and much more likely) you're just making up reasons to think people with tattoos are stupid.
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Don't know about Mark but my life philosophy is to do the opposite of what the masses are doing because they are fucked in the head. In the past decade or so tats have become extremely popular. To me at first glance of a person with a tat I assume the person is a member of the sheeple and potentially an extreme moron.
I'm pretty sure that the majority of people still do not have tattoos. So maybe you should be assuming that people without them are "members of the sheeple and potentially extreme morons."
Or maybe (and much more likely) you're just making up reasons to think people with tattoos are stupid.
Could be I am rationalizing my dislike of them but I don't think so. Tats just scream "hey, look at me!" with no other real value. Seems to be something a sheeperson would do.
If I want to see Art I'll hang him on the wall.
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Could be I am rationalizing my dislike of them but I don't think so. Tats just scream "hey, look at me!" with no other real value.
My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time. I'm pretty sure that I didn't get them to scream "Hey, look at me!"
If I want to see Art I'll hang him on the wall.
Har.
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that word sheeple makes my skin crawl.........
anyways
EPIC WIN!
(http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/images/2008/05/29/swayzetat.jpg)
i love it when people purposely get stupid impulsive tattoos, makes me giggle
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you don't get the attitude? it is not an attitude, it is the way i feel about tattooing and being tattooed. i was not shoving anything down anyones throat rudely or being a bitch about anything. it is personal preference, not an attitude. if i have a shop one day i will not cater to people who want temporary tattoos...... most businesses cater to certain customers and i am not interested in dealing with people that are not sure they want something permanent (or fake permanent as you put it). there is nothing wrong with liking traditional tattooing and catering to that crowd.
i don't buy into anything anymore, i have tattoos, good bad ugly, no regrets. ok so when i was a kid i got some tattoos because i thought they would make me cool and they are not as good as my newer tattoos. i grew up. i get tattooed now because i enjoy being tattooed, i like the process in general, i like having the ink on my arm when i wake up every morning, it makes me smile. and since i really like it, i do not want to have to pay every few years to have it re done, no one can redo the same tattoo exactly how it was over and over again, it would continue to change even if the change is not noticed by anyone else.
I have nothing against people getting old tech tattoos.
I've seen some really cool tattoos (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/science-tattoo-emporium/) and ive seen some really shit ones
What I was complaining about is the faux-macho attitude that old fashioned hard to remove "permanent" tattoos are inherently better than because they're more "gutsy"/less "faggy" than removable/temp tattoos.
People who've never even seen a removable ink tattoo but think themselves superior for really dumb reasons. (i.e. "This is forever bro!", but not really)
I could see how getting the same tattoo done over and over would be a chore, but what possible downside is their to removable ink?
Now there aren't many places that do it, and only black ink has been commercially released yet (colored inks are in the pipeline), so I guess if you really wanted a color tattoo this year it might make sense.
also surely there are some tattoo ideas you might only want for a couple of years? i imagine a ron paul tattoo would seem pretty redundant in about 5 years time.
ok so when i was a kid i got some tattoos because i thought they would make me cool and they are not as good as my newer tattoos. i grew up.
This pretty much sums it up. I don't know why people think its a bad thing to accept that we change over time. Likely you don't wear the same clothes, listen to the music, have the same personal and philosophical beliefs as you did when you first got those tattoos, why should you still have the same tattoos?
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My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time.
Yeah, I hear that allot. Immediately after that I get the pleasure of seeing the tattoo'd roll up his sleeve to show me his "awesome" tattoo without me inquiring to see it.
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My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time.
Yeah, I hear that allot. Immediately after that I get the pleasure of seeing the tattoo'd roll up his sleeve to show me his "awesome" tattoo without me inquiring to see it.
Note that I haven't posted any photos.....and it's spelled "a lot."
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My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time.
Yeah, I hear that allot. Immediately after that I get the pleasure of seeing the tattoo'd roll up his sleeve to show me his "awesome" tattoo without me inquiring to see it.
Note that I haven't posted any photos.....and it's spelled "a lot."
"Allot" is more awsome. It is my way of rolling up my sleeve and showing you my tat. I would not say no if you wanted to show me your tat on your upper inner thigh.
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My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time.
Yeah, I hear that allot. Immediately after that I get the pleasure of seeing the tattoo'd roll up his sleeve to show me his "awesome" tattoo without me inquiring to see it.
Note that I haven't posted any photos.....and it's spelled "a lot."
I'm putting forth a formal petition to see your secret 98% hidden tattoos on this forum.
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My tattoos are covered up about 98% of the time.
Yeah, I hear that allot. Immediately after that I get the pleasure of seeing the tattoo'd roll up his sleeve to show me his "awesome" tattoo without me inquiring to see it.
Note that I haven't posted any photos.....and it's spelled "a lot."
I'm putting forth a formal petition to see your secret 98% hidden tattoos on this forum.
Seconded.
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This pretty much sums it up. I don't know why people think its a bad thing to accept that we change over time. Likely you don't wear the same clothes, listen to the music, have the same personal and philosophical beliefs as you did when you first got those tattoos, why should you still have the same tattoos?
gah, i typed a long reply to this earlier and it would never post so here goes again haha
i know some people feel differently about this but i like my permanent scrap book. i know i will never forget who i was or where i have been in my life, but if i ever lose myself in something stupid again i can look at my tattoos and be reminded of the mindset i was in when i got some of them and snap out of it quickly.
as far as the temp. tattoos go, i have nothing against people doing them or getting them but man oh man i would be sad if mine were temp. and my tattoo artist bit the dust and would never be able to do that tattoo on me again. the people who have been tattooing me for the past few years are just as important to me as the tattoos themselves. i love my tattoo artists. one has been a friend of mine since i was 17 and the other is an amazing lady i met here in germany who tattoos in the same style she paints, it really is insane to watch :D
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and rofl @ that tattoo commercial
i just bought a brand new dodge caravan with a dvd entertainment system... i'll have to spend my car money on lazer removal my ass :lol:
maybe we are lucky to be able to afford cars and tattoos AND removal if we really wanna get it, we don't have to decide this or that. i think a lot of the people who complain they can not get high paying jobs with tattoos might have the wrong attitude about it and that is why they can not get the jobs?? maybe??
i can not speak for everyone but i know that if i go to an interview in a corporate office setting, i need to put on a button down top with long sleeves and keep them DOWN and i am not such a hard ass about my tattoos that i would refuse to cover them at work... i do know people who refuse to do this and then call it discrimination, well brother, you did it to yourself. get with the program or drop out of it right?
just some more of my feelings
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I will most likely be getting my very first (or 1st, 2nd & 3rd) this summer. I'm very unlikely to regret it, though I think I would have if I'd done it earlier in my life. There are very few things I would have chosen between 18-21 which would have still had any relevance to who I am now.
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if i had gotten tattooed when i was 10, i would have a snake curled around my arm from my shoulder to my hand and most likely a black widow on my neck. i think i was around bikers way too much....
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This pretty much sums it up. I don't know why people think its a bad thing to accept that we change over time. Likely you don't wear the same clothes, listen to the music, have the same personal and philosophical beliefs as you did when you first got those tattoos, why should you still have the same tattoos?
gah, i typed a long reply to this earlier and it would never post so here goes again haha
i know some people feel differently about this but i like my permanent scrap book. i know i will never forget who i was or where i have been in my life, but if i ever lose myself in something stupid again i can look at my tattoos and be reminded of the mindset i was in when i got some of them and snap out of it quickly.
as far as the temp. tattoos go, i have nothing against people doing them or getting them but man oh man i would be sad if mine were temp. and my tattoo artist bit the dust and would never be able to do that tattoo on me again. the people who have been tattooing me for the past few years are just as important to me as the tattoos themselves. i love my tattoo artists. one has been a friend of mine since i was 17 and the other is an amazing lady i met here in germany who tattoos in the same style she paints, it really is insane to watch :D
Well that all sounds reasonable enough. I guess I don't have anything else to add so i'll try to keep this quick.
but no one seems to have actually acknowledged removable tattoo ink as separate from temporary tattoo ink.
There's a new tech for tattoo ink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitink) based on colored polymer particles that are inserted under the skin using the same needle gun regular tattoos
It only came out in 2009 so theres only 15 places that do it in the US at the moment and its only in black ink so far, but there are more colors in development.
Surely it seems that it would actually be better for tattooing in general, since knowing that its not going to be a massive cost and a complete pain in the arse to remove if you change your mind, you might go for a "riskier" tattoo or one you're not as sure about.
Again I'm not trying to knock the idea of having a tattoo for life, but that its a bad idea even to consider the possibility that you might someday change your mind.
Do you really think is unforeseeable that you might change your mind one day about the whole human scrapbook thing? Or just decide that you want to use a certain stretch of skin for something different?
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figured there was no reason to quote all of that :D its right above me, or should be as long as i post fast enough. the new ink sounds rad, it really does, it should really bring tattooing into a new era. people can experiment with tattoos and tattooing in general and that is awesome
i am at the point now with my tattoos that my big ones, i could not picture anything else being there. when i go and look at pictures of myself before i got the tattoos i have now, i look weird to myself. i can not see myself changing so drastically down the road that i would wish them gone, i put myself where i am for a reason and i like it here. i wanted tattoos since i was about 7, my taste has changed since then but my heart has always been in the same place.
i'm not arguing, and i can not say everyone else with tattoos feels the same way i do, but i would feel really naked without my tattoos i have had them on me for so long.
not really anything to do with any of this but i am sure i could sit down with some shrink and come up with underlying issues as to why i feel the need to tattoo my body, but i happy not knowing what fucked me up so much i would want to do this to myself :)
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and i am really sorry if i am hard to follow, i have a pretty abstract thought pattern so i understand what i am getting at, but if i sound like i am rambling, my apologies.
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Fading ink could be used to make some interesting layers in an ongoing design.
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Wow. Guess I sparked a debate. Thanks to everyone for the responses!
Yeah, my neck wasn't the first place I had in mind, but that's where I visualise that design fitting the best, I might come up with something for my arm to have as a first though. Not sure. I'm also worried it might be a bit complicated for the size I want. We'll see.
I play poker professionally (hence spade + birds for freedom) so I don't have to worry about visible neck tattoos getting me in trouble with a boss or anything, but I'm not so naive as to think things might be different in the future, so it could be a legitimate concern, difficult as it would be to cover up.
I'm glad people like the design though, that's positive :)
Oh and I loved that tattoo commercial, awesome reverse psychology and extremely well produced!
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A tattoo shop near my house was giving out free "Bolt" tattoos on Saturday for all Chargers fans. I drove by and was shocked to see a line of about 200 people out the door trailing down the street. :shock:
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Fading ink could be used to make some interesting layers in an ongoing design.
They can fade new ink on purpose. Putting the dots a little further apart, (pointillism, you obviously have an understanding) and mixing the colors to appear muted rather than brand-spankin new. That weird faded denim blue of old tats can be replicated, a good artist can make the edges look fluffy and blurry. Obviously it would still require a year or two for the effect to really look right. Best I saw of that up close was a stripper who had big patches of some really fantastic blackwash, smokey looking stuff. Looked great, and she was young so the ink was only a few years old at most.
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Fading ink could be used to make some interesting layers in an ongoing design.
They can fade new ink on purpose. Putting the dots a little further apart, (pointillism, you obviously have an understanding) and mixing the colors to appear muted rather than brand-spankin new. That weird faded denim blue of old tats can be replicated, a good artist can make the edges look fluffy and blurry. Obviously it would still require a year or two for the effect to really look right. Best I saw of that up close was a stripper who had big patches of some really fantastic blackwash, smokey looking stuff. Looked great, and she was young so the ink was only a few years old at most.
Never thought about intentionally creating a faded/vintage tat.. that's pretty cool.
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I think in most cases it wouldn't appeal to the customer, people like new ink to look all wicked and sharp. But since its just a matter blending/fading colors together, your average artist could pull it off. Instead of fading into a lighter hue, which is really common for almost all colored ink, they'd just be fading into blank skin. You guys do feathering or whatever you'd call it, right ?
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You mean feathering as in a pencil sketch technique?
I don't know a whole lot about tattooing. The stuff I did was with a jailhouse gun in peoples kitchens. Just one "needle" (guitar string). For fading out ink, I think the tattooist will use a 6 or 8 point needle, and go lightly. Maybe robin can clear it up.
There were a few uncles and cousins (the "bad seeds") with those old greeny faded tats in my family too as I was growing up, that was my first exposure to the stuff. Most adults in the family had, have actually, the opinion that anything too artistic is pure faggotry- plus, drawin' on yer skin like that is defilin' the Lord's Temple!
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You mean feathering as in a pencil sketch technique?
I don't know a whole lot about tattooing. The stuff I did was with a jailhouse gun in peoples kitchens. Just one "needle" (guitar string). For fading out ink, I think the tattooist will use a 6 or 8 point needle, and go lightly. Maybe robin can clear it up.
There were a few uncles and cousins (the "bad seeds") with those old greeny faded tats in my family too as I was growing up, that was my first exposure to the stuff. Most adults in the family had, have actually, the opinion that anything too artistic is pure faggotry- plus, drawin' on yer skin like that is defilin' the Lord's Temple!
Ya, most of the old heads when I was growing up had random blotches of blue. Looked like the Jackass smiley-face done on Steve-O in the back of Rollins' Hummer. Mine was done by an old soggy fuck named Cal with dull needles, probably made his own ink out of random stuff around the house and moonshine.
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Nooo.. I didn't believe it, but Rollins apparently does have a Hummer! Hadn't known the Jackass guy got a tat in it either..
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I plan to get something like this, minus the words. That's assuming I survive this year of completing big things before turning 40.
(I'm also open to other interpretations, and have time for different inspiration to strike.)
(http://rlv.zcache.com/female_triathlete_swim_bike_run_tshirt-p235268440070893861yiyy_400.jpg)
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fading out ink, I think the tattooist will use a 6 or 8 point needle, and go lightly. Maybe robin can clear it up.
i have not even entered the world of shading and what not myself, i am still on fine lines and lettering... but yes most artists use multiple point needles for that kind of stuff, i think the number of points is really a personal preference for most. i had one artist who used an outlining needle to attempt shading and i can tell you it has been about a year and i already need to re-work the whole thing to make the shading look smooth...
i have been cleaning house like a madwoman today and my glasses are pretty dirty so i am a little lost reading thru the conversation. i just want to make sure i am answering the right question.
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i have a question here
so say a 14 year old kid tattoos his self and mom hates it.... takes him in for lazer removal. should the mom have the right to make him remove the tattoo since he is not of "legal" age to have a tattoo?? how do you guys feel about this????
i am catching up on shows today, and i can say that if one of my kids randomly got a tattoo under 18, i'd let it be... i got my first tattoo when i was 17 and my mom and dad were shocked but well they really didn't give a crap. my dad is kind of a biker with tattoos his self so he wouldn't say much anyways (atleast my tattoo wasn't a reefer leaf haha). also i wouldnt wanna waste my money removing a tattoo a 13 year old gave his self, if he wants to get rid of it later he can pay for it his self.
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i have a question here
so say a 14 year old kid tattoos his self and mom hates it.... takes him in for lazer removal. should the mom have the right to make him remove the tattoo since he is not of "legal" age to have a tattoo?? how do you guys feel about this????
Depends on whether or not it's my 14-yo. :wink:
That's really tough. If the parents hate it, even if they do have the legal right to force the kid to have it removed, should they? If it's not in someplace like the middle of the kids forehead, and isn't anything which is going to piss 99% of the people they meet off, where is the harm to the kid? He's already finished inflicting pain on himself, so he's not in immediate danger. Unless there's an infection, which laser removal isn't going to solve.
And, if you take the kid in to have the tattoo removed, don't you open yourself up for neglect charges, for not being around to notice that your kid is spending hours with needles and ink?
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And, if you take the kid in to have the tattoo removed, don't you open yourself up for neglect charges, for not being around to notice that your kid is spending hours with needles and ink?
I was thinking about that too, a lot of people are scared to take their kids in to the emergency room for falling off their bike because sometimes it opens a ridiculous investigation by child protective services.
i will not lie, i did really stupid things as a kid, and there were points where my parents only choice would have been to handcuff me to a table to keep me out of trouble. but if they had done that, i am pretty sure they would have gotten into trouble........
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If parents don't have the right to inflict non-medically necessary surgery on a child without his consent, then the answer is "no."
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i have a question here
so say a 14 year old kid tattoos his self and mom hates it.... takes him in for lazer removal. should the mom have the right to make him remove the tattoo since he is not of "legal" age to have a tattoo?? how do you guys feel about this????
It's not as bad as circumcision.
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i have a question here
so say a 14 year old kid tattoos his self and mom hates it.... takes him in for lazer removal. should the mom have the right to make him remove the tattoo since he is not of "legal" age to have a tattoo?? how do you guys feel about this????
It's not as bad as circumcision.
none of my boys are circumcised... they can snip their tips later on if they feel like it. didnt think it was my place to do it for em.
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I've got 3 tattoos, 2 of which consist of a very large side piece from the top of my shoulder down to my hip; the other is a full sleeve. The third is a small one on my ankle I got in dedication to a podcast (Red Bar Radio). I didn't start getting the tattoos until I was 25, and I think that if you wait long enough and meet with the right artist, you can work with them to come up with a nice custom piece that accurately reflects part of who you are, something you aren't going to get sick of. I plan on getting 2-3 more, all with certain themes I have already thought out. I'd like to see these tattoos of your's, Mark ;) Just how bad are they?
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Mark isn't available at the moment and has asked me to cover his replies here for awhile.
He says you show yours first.
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I've always enjoyed this one.
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