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Loving more of Mark.
« on: August 22, 2011, 01:55:48 AM »

Don't want to cause offense, but I'm loving the opportunity to hear more Mark talking with Ian in jail. Extremist moralizing voluntarists tend to crowd out some more pragmatic, more mainstream political beliefs so it's nice to hear some more reason on the show.
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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2011, 06:37:35 AM »

This.

It's not that Mark is "political"... it's that he's frankly more rational.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 10:59:20 AM »

I've noticed that people holding specific political views frequently refer to theirs as "rational" and others' as "irrational."  I've come to like Penn Jillette's way of addressing differences in points of view.  "I've got this [insert self-affacing word] way of looking at it: [then out comes the libertarian gospel]."


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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 01:18:25 PM »

Part of what I mean by "rational" is "a mature attitude, one that is tolerant about other points of view"

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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 05:11:30 PM »

Mark is indeed pragmatic. And I hope Marks hobby of letting callers and childless hosts hang themselves keeps up. But especially after last nights show I realize that Ian really is the principled heart and soul of the FTL/ LRN/ FreeKeane world. I see FTL kinda turning more commercial as Ian is jailed. Although I like the changes, I don't want it to go to far.

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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 08:20:44 PM »

I'm enjoying it as well...I'm hearing more callers and more topics I'm interested in.
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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 06:11:15 AM »

I agree!  I think Mark has a much better grasp on reality that Ian does.  I like Ian, but sometimes he goes overboard.

On a side note, has anyone noticed that the amount of callers that "dropped off the line during the break" has gone way down?  I think Ian hangs up on people.  Mark seems to give callers a little more time to discuss a topic before giving his response, and he rarely "looses" a caller during the break.  People notice!
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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 06:54:59 AM »

I think Ian hangs up on people.
I doubt that.
When it comes to radio & the show, Ian is a very, very professional guy.

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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2011, 09:33:42 AM »

I think Ian hangs up on people.
I doubt that.
When it comes to radio & the show, Ian is a very, very professional guy.

He does, sometimes, but I don't think he does it deceptively, as suggested.  I've never seen Ian as consciously deceptive.  He does, however, drop callers (even regular callers, even callers he agrees with) amid sentence from time to time.  Mark, on the other hand, seems overly cautious about that and ends up getting interrupted by breaks more often.
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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2011, 10:31:52 AM »

I've noticed that people holding specific political views frequently refer to theirs as "rational" and others' as "irrational."  I've come to like Penn Jillette's way of addressing differences in points of view.  "I've got this [insert self-affacing word] way of looking at it: [then out comes the libertarian gospel]."


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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2011, 10:44:43 AM »

I've noticed that people holding specific political views frequently refer to theirs as "rational" and others' as "irrational."  I've come to like Penn Jillette's way of addressing differences in points of view.  "I've got this [insert self-affacing word] way of looking at it: [then out comes the libertarian gospel]."


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Or the Bullshit method:



Yes, I think I understand and basically agree with your point.  However, "this asshole" generally refers to a con artist or dedicated fascist, not merely someone with an opposing point of view.  Nevertheless, apparently like you, I cringe a little bit at that show's deliberate crudeness.  While you're surely correct to point it out, I had been thinking of Penn's radio show, on which he was more persuasive than critical.
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Re: Loving more of Mark.
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 11:21:34 AM »

I've noticed that people holding specific political views frequently refer to theirs as "rational" and others' as "irrational."  I've come to like Penn Jillette's way of addressing differences in points of view.  "I've got this [insert self-affacing word] way of looking at it: [then out comes the libertarian gospel]."


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Yes, I think I understand and basically agree with your point.  However, "this asshole" generally refers to a con artist or dedicated fascist, not merely someone with an opposing point of view.  Nevertheless, apparently like you, I cringe a little bit at that show's deliberate crudeness.  While you're surely correct to point it out, I had been thinking of Penn's radio show, on which he was more persuasive than critical.

Agreed. Of course they're thinking about what they say before they say it. In a scripted show, they can calculate their responses for entertainment purposes and come up with some very cringe-worthy moments, but in all instances they appear mindful about factual accuracy, credibility, and consideration of their statements and the people who are listening.

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