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BobRobertson

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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 04:39:21 PM »

for ideological reasons that border on anti-capitalism.

Very interesting. Really, I find that response fascinating.

Accusing me of "anti-capitalism" when your answer to the high cost of proprietary software was to just grab a copy from The Pirate Bay.

I shout "thief!, you shout "commie!", and everybody else just tunes us out. Not my idea of a good time.

I, also, don't agree with the artificial monopoly grants that are copyright and patent.

If someone doesn't want me to be their customer at a price I prefer, and a satisfactory alternative exists that I can get legally for no cost, I would rather be valued as a user than condemned as a thief.

At least as a user I can contribute bug reports and wishlists legitimately.

Shall we get past the "Linux users are communists" and "Libertarians are just Republicans who want to do drugs" please.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 06:17:28 PM »

Hey now...  The only people I've called communists on this thread are ...

[...]  If Microsoft had made it as easy to install free software on Windows as it is on Linux, the Anti-Trust communists would have a field day  [...]

I use Linux myself quite a bit, especially on the server side, but I'm critical of it on the desktop.

And the Anarcho-Capitalist position against "intellectual property rights" has been covered at great length elsewhere on this forum.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 03:36:02 PM »

Linux sucks.

I say that as a somewhat Linux fanboy.

Windows also sucks.

Windows is installed on most people's computer. From a purely pragmatic point, it's more efficient to do nothing and attain "suck" than to do something and attain "suck".

That said, Windows 7 is nice, free and entirely devoid of the "pirate vs disobedient" arguement since Microsoft offers the download and serials on their site.
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 06:26:39 PM »

If you're just a regular home user and you download from a trustworthy source and follow directions, the chances of you being busted for piracy are next to nil.  And if you're a student, you can get most things for free anyways.  And I've had multiple clients who've had lots of multi-user subscriptions and would have been willing to put me on their list.  And then, as Kevin Dean has said, there are free betas, etc.

Even if you do have to bight the bullet - a full stack of Microsoft productivity / developer software costs you just a couple bucks a day at the most.  If you're an employed developer, that's probably an overhead cost of less than 1% of what you make.  The productivity gain over competing technologies (J2EE, OO.o, etc) is most definitely worth it.
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2009, 05:05:51 PM »

That said, Windows 7 is nice, free and entirely devoid of the "pirate vs disobedient" arguement since Microsoft offers the download and serials on their site.

That is, until about 2 months before their grace period runs out, when Windows7 will shut down your machine after every two hours of running with a warning to "buy it now".
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2009, 05:10:26 PM »

The productivity gain over competing technologies (J2EE, OO.o, etc) is most definitely worth it.

In your opinion, for your purposes, for you, sure.

Not everyone.

Some people just want their machine to work.
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-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »

That said, Windows 7 is nice, free and entirely devoid of the "pirate vs disobedient" arguement since Microsoft offers the download and serials on their site.

That is, until about 2 months before their grace period runs out, when Windows7 will shut down your machine after every two hours of running with a warning to "buy it now".

Hackz! and ur good to go
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2009, 12:33:15 AM »

In your opinion, for your purposes, for you, sure.

No, Java sucks for everybody.

Some people just refuse to admit it.

It's a "the king is naked" sorta situation.  ;)


Hackz! and ur good to go

Bingo.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2009, 12:57:49 AM »

honestly I loved linux at first and all the nifty features but i kept getting corrupted files from what I downloaded and things kept getting issues especially burning. The dvds would burn but always burned wrong. Not at first but after. I tried Debian, ubuntu, red hat, puppy linux, and linux mint. I kept having the same issues. Does windows have more problems with viruses? yea of course. Is it too difficult to deal with? not for me. Plus its been alort more stable especially in playing media and burning it as well.
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2009, 01:40:03 AM »

From Slashdot -- Is Linux's "Overall Market Share" Statistic Meaningful? --

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Linux recently achieved 1% market share of the overall operating system market. But, does that statistic really mean anything useful? This article makes the case that it doesn't. It states, 'Framed in the "overall market share" terminology, the information (or how it was gathered and calculated) isn't necessarily questionable, it's more that it's meaningless. It's nebulous, even when one looks at several months worth of data. [How] Linux is used in various business settings answers an actual question -- and the answer can be used to ask further questions, form opinions -- and maybe one day even explain to some degree what 1% of the market share really means. ... Operating systems aren't immortal beings, and by rights, there can't be (there shouldn't be) only one. ... No one system can be everything to everyone, and no one system (however powerful, or stable) can do everything perfectly that just one person might require of it in the course of a day. While observing trends and measuring market share are important, the results (good or bad) shouldn't be any platform's measure of self-worth or validation. It's a data point to build on (we're weak in this area, strong in this area, our platform is being used a lot more this quarter, where did all of our users go?) in order to improve and stay relevant.'

Wow, I haven't seen spin this pathetic since a Frenchman last tried to explain why his nation is the greatest.  :lol:

Seriously, all that Microsoft-bashing does reek of anti-capitalist sentiment.  "Oh noes, stupid free market chose an operating system designed to appeal to a broad audience, people must be re-educated to use a socialist OS instead!"  :roll:
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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2009, 06:48:22 AM »

Macs IMO. All the good parts of running a BSD, all the "good" parts of running Windows.
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2009, 12:53:56 PM »

i kept getting corrupted files from what I downloaded and things kept getting issues especially burning.

And I've had the exact opposite experience, as have those I've helped.

I see Libman has gone off on some tangent all his own, that also is just life.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2009, 02:02:29 AM »

i kept getting corrupted files from what I downloaded and things kept getting issues especially burning.

And I've had the exact opposite experience, as have those I've helped.

I see Libman has gone off on some tangent all his own, that also is just life.

It wasnt all the time but it happened enough to piss me off. maybe you've had better luck. Then again maybe linux failed on the right drivers for MY custom built computer.
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2009, 11:58:36 AM »

It wasnt all the time but it happened enough to piss me off. maybe you've had better luck. Then again maybe linux failed on the right drivers for MY custom built computer.

Certainly a possibility. Even a likelyhood, since newer hardware hasn't had time to be reverse-engineered. Some hardware vendors like Intel, Nvidia, AMD and Cisco have been releasing software drivers for Linux, but not everyone.

The "preinstallation" that Microsoft negotiated with their OEMs has made it so that hardware incompatibilities get blamed on the OEM, rather than Microsoft. Pure marketing genius!

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-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820
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