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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #225 on: June 24, 2009, 09:47:22 AM »

No Gods, No Masters, on Earth or in Heaven! Religion is metaphysical statism, and should be rejected by anti-statists (anarchists and libertarians) as such.

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Metaphysical statism.. hmmm. Where are you deriving this "should" from? By what authority?

Consistency. And the authority is just taking those who claim to be anti-statists at their word. If they actually do hold beliefs against authority and hierarchy, then they ought to be consistent and not advocate one standard for the here and now, while advocating an entirely different one for the hereafter. At least, that's how I see it. But I think religion is absurd altogether.
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #226 on: July 03, 2009, 04:50:15 AM »

The connection between libertarianism and atheism is simple. The type of people who become libertarians are the type of people who ask themselves why they have to obey the laws of man. They question the authority of those telling them what to do. They think about it and decide the authority is bull. When they ask the same question about those who tell them what they must do based on religion, the same mindset asks where the authority for the religious rules comes from. Often they conclude that authority is bull too.

I like to think they arrive at these conclusions in similar ways. They notice that a certain rule or several don't make sense. Why do I have to come to complete stop at 3:30 am when I can clearly see there is no oncoming traffic? Why should I have my child's genital's mutilated? Why does the government get to do things that private individuals would be thrown in jail for? Why is God so petty about this Sabbath and worshipping and being the only god, etc. stuff?  I could go on and on.

That said, I don't mind religious libertarians.
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #227 on: July 08, 2009, 06:32:25 AM »

There seems to be a misconception about what libertarianism is and isn't.  Libertarianism is only a political philosophy.  For example, it doesn't inform us about what religion, if any, is correct.  Ian, and to a lesser extent Mark, seem to muddy this issue.  Ian is definitely anti-Christian (not the AntiChrist) and that's fine.  I, myself, am not a Christian although I wouldn't characterize myself as anti-Christian.  I just wish that when he talks about religion that he would make the point that these are his personal, cultural views and not political views.  A new listener may think he is one of those 'liberal" types who wants to use the state against religion.

Religion is "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience".

From the meaning of religion, in its broadest definition, it is very clear that Libertarianism is a religion. Theology is only one kind of religion. The pervasiveness of theology has caused many to use it, wrongly, as the default definition of the word.

You are right to say that faith in one religion doesn't necessarily conflict with faith in another religion, but that's not to say that they couldn't. People often suffer from unresolved inner conflicts of belief.

There are different versions of both Libertarianism and Christianity and some of them are more compatible with each other than others. From my perspective though, theology requires a dogmatic way of thinking and Libertarianism, while it admittedly does have all too many dogmatic adherents to its various versions, requires rationality and the falsifiability of all of its propositions in order to be truly in the spirit of its purported objectivity.

In general, I believe that dogmatic political religions like Socialism and Monarchy are more compatible with the various Christianities and other theologies.
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As the state feeds off of the limitation and destruction of legitimate government, anarchy is its essence.

To claim "economic rent" from someone Else's labor when applied to land, which is something no one can own outright, is in itself, to claim landlord status over raw nature. It is an attempt at coercive monopoly power that is at the root of statism.
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