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blackie

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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2009, 04:15:04 PM »

Prove rights exist.
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2009, 04:16:07 PM »

But they are human, right.  Can you name one monkey who has spoken up for their rights?  Cornelius and Zera don't count.

But they are human, right.  Can you name one monkey who has spoken up for their rights?  Cornelius and Zera don't count.

I can't name any off the top of my head but I've seen some non-human primates make it very clear that they didn't think they should be in a cage and they didn't think the people caging them had any right to do so.  They might have been remarkably eloquent in monkey speak, I don't know.

And this:
Yes.  Try and take something from a chimpanzee and see what happens. 

You only make my point for me though.  "But, they are human".  That's correct, it's a religious belief that humans are endowed by the creator with the inalienable rights to life and liberty, even if they're too stupid to know it.

I'm sorry.  I thougt you make the chimp remark but it was Rillion.  Anyway, I don't object to treating animals humanely.  I just don't think they have rights.  You are basically saying that libertarianism is a religion.  I accept that.  I just don't think all those rational, atheistic, scientific anarchist types on this board will.  After all, they're always priding themselves on how rational they are and how superstitious and backwards all those religious God-fearing folk are.
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2009, 04:18:34 PM »

Prove rights exist.

Prove species exist.
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blackie

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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2009, 04:20:04 PM »

It is irrational to believe in rights.
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2009, 04:28:17 PM »

It is irrational to believe in rights.

It is irrational to believe you have a mind. (Hint: you need to study metaphysics and epistemology more.)
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2009, 05:33:30 PM »


glad I got my licks in early...

thread's turned to shit...

I don't give a shit what you can...and can't prove...

what part of everyone leaves everyone else alone...don't most understand...

to wit, my basic inherent right to Life, Liberty, and Property ALWAYS trumps your efforts to subvert them...

notice served...

enjoy!

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2009, 05:43:15 PM »

to wit, my basic inherent right to Life, Liberty, and Property ALWAYS trumps your efforts to subvert them...
So if I shoot you dead, you will come back to life?
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2009, 05:44:26 PM »

Let me clarify my point.  I think it is bigoted and counterproductive to read religious people out of the liberty movement.  Religion and statism are not inextricably linked.  Religious people are not any more statist than non-religious people.  Don't judge all religious people by hypocritical adherents.
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2009, 05:51:07 PM »

to wit, my basic inherent right to Life, Liberty, and Property ALWAYS trumps your efforts to subvert them...
So if I shoot you dead, you will come back to life?

what's up with that homeslice...

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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2009, 05:57:37 PM »

Let me clarify my point.  I think it is bigoted and counterproductive to read religious people out of the liberty movement.  Religion and statism are not inextricably linked.  Religious people are not any more statist than non-religious people.  Don't judge all religious people by hypocritical adherents.
I agree.  I'm not a fan of the anti-religionists equating the pro liberty philosophy with atheism.
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2009, 06:01:43 PM »

Prove rights exist.

The economic theories behind the existence of "negative" human rights (life, liberty, property) are rational and deeply rooted in the fundamental causes of the human civilization, but ...

... if all else fails ...

... the way you prove rights exist ...

... is by killing (in self-defense) the people who say they don't!

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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2009, 06:56:04 PM »

God only exists on Friday. Satan on Monday.

Zeus and Thor split up the rest of the time. Eris and J. R. Bob Dobbs play backup in case Zeus and Thor are busy turning into interesting things to have sex with, or smashing shit.

Buddah doesn't exist at all, and he wouldn't want it any other way.

I am right and everyone else is doomed to eternal torment. Now please, join my religion and SEND ME MONEY.
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2009, 07:02:35 PM »

Prove rights exist.

The economic theories behind the existence of "negative" human rights (life, liberty, property) are rational and deeply rooted in the fundamental causes of the human civilization, but ...

... if all else fails ...

... the way you prove rights exist ...

... is by killing (in self-defense) the people who say they don't!



Alex pulled a win? WTF?
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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2009, 07:03:53 PM »

Alex pulled a win? WTF?

He said he was easing up on the booze or something.
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blackie

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Re: Libertarianism and Religion
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2009, 09:02:36 PM »

Prove rights exist.

The economic theories behind the existence of "negative" human rights (life, liberty, property) are rational and deeply rooted in the fundamental causes of the human civilization, but ...

... if all else fails ...

... the way you prove rights exist ...

... is by killing (in self-defense) the people who say they don't!
Is that scientific?

Isn't that also how you prove the existence of G-d?
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