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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Cognitive Dissident on September 26, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
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Especially when it has to do with feminazi harping.
That is all.
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Have you wondered WHY you get upset over it?
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Because I don't like nagging and harping over the same thing?
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Is that what you desire in a woman?
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Is that what you desire in a woman?
What does it have to do with a woman? To me, it's about what I want to hear on the podcast I put on my head, and it's not nagging.
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Have you ever heard Ian or Mark nag? I have - its staying on point man.
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Is that what you desire in a woman?
What does it have to do with a woman? To me, it's about what I want to hear on the podcast I put on my head, and it's not nagging.
You're getting upset over your mysogyny being exposed.
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Is that what you desire in a woman?
What does it have to do with a woman? To me, it's about what I want to hear on the podcast I put on my head, and it's not nagging.
You're getting upset over your mysogyny being exposed.
Who says I'm upset? Who says it's about misogyny? I don't have a problem with women. I don't like feminazis, and I'd rather not listen to them.
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I LIKE Stephanie, but her extreme feminists interjections into the conversation annoy me ever so slightly. Not enough to make a forum post over though, or make a crank call over. It's not any worse than Ians need to define everything.
People all have their own quirks, that is what makes them unique. Apparently, the feminist thing is Stephanie's. I think that she is very talented and I enjoy listening to her on the air. I have actually grown to respect ALL Of the co-hosts more since Ian's incarceration. I used to avoid the Sunday show because all they talked about was Keene and other topics that were irrelevant to me or any listener who might NOT be a part of the NH community. Mark is keeping her on the format of the show, and since the show where she was the sole host, I see that she now GETS it! She is great now, and one of my favorite female hosts... second to Michelle maybe, still haven't decided :-)
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I agree. I think she's actually very good, and I'd hoped that issue would subside. I just figured it was time remark about it when she actually bothered to call in about it. The crank was pretty unfocused, so it's not like it needed a response.
She's at her best, IMO, when she avoids that and shares her knowledge on medical issues, and, it's not as though her view about gender issues is unimportant, it's that that we seem to have heard all she has to say on it. That, and, she doesn't handle it as cleverly as Derrick, for example, handles the gay issues (basically by using wit that makes people think.) Hopefully she'll grow in that area, in the same way she expects others to grow toward her position.
I have a feeling it has something to do with that nonviolent communication bullshit she's bought into. If you use it like a cookbook people with some intelligence feel like they're being talked down to. Its sorta like the cheap sales methodologies they throw in a book for car salespeople (see, I try, I don't just blow it off, or I'd say salesmen) to read. I walk off the car lot when they spout that bullshit too.
For what it's worth, she has a great voice for radio and obviously has the skill to do a good job hosting a radio show as long as she doesn't get into the habit of trolling callers and other hosts (which of course, Ian does a lot too--side-tracking a topic over some peeve, which is worse on the radio, because it's easier to skip on the web.)
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Yes.. It really bothered me that she felt the need to call in about it. Not that I was conflicted on the issue. As a very stable female, I really don't care whether some random dude calls me "Honey", "Hey Woman," or "her". Can't really even remember what specifically bothered her, but... the jerks will be jerks. I can generally determine a persons type by how they talk to me, not the gender specific adjective that they refer to me by.
She had no real reason to respond to some random phone troll... That bothered me a bit. I know that she is still new to this, and I am sure that she will become even more resilient as the days go by. Gah... I love and miss Ian on the show, but I am going to be sad to see the co-hosts go.
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Gah... I love and miss Ian on the show, but I am going to be sad to see the co-hosts go.
I don't think they're going to go anywhere. I suspect the rotation won't be quite as thick with them. Getting more people behind a mic is good for the show's health, though, in case one or both of the normal hosts disappear(s) again.
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I trolled Stephanie so hard. :D
I was actually amazed at how effective it was after i went back and listened to the podcast today. I could hardly stop from laughing at Denis cracking jokes during my call and so they dumped me. But the stream was down so I couldn't hear it until i downloaded the podcast.
I think I did a good job of pointing out everything that everyone here is complaining about. And that was my mission. It's rare that a troll crank call can be so effective at illustrating something like that.
Honestly I think Stephanie is a cool enough girl. But she's definitely way too uptight about that feminazi crap. And she could loosen up about that stupid stupid "nonviolent communication" bullshit. It really does sound like she's talking down her nose at you with a superiority complex. But really, I just think she's not satisfying my preferences. :lol:
I bet if we met in real life though we would get along and have a grand old time over a beer or something... oh damn I forgot she doesn't drink either. *donk*
Seriously though, she is probably a cool person to interact with on a personal level, I doubt she talks like that to people on a face to face basis like she does with them on the air.
Every time I hear her come on I start gritting my teeth because of her extremely poor communication style. It may work towards people of a lower order intelligence, but I believe that most of us would prefer to have people speak more straight forwardly towards us instead of in an evasive, "passive-aggressive" (I hate that term) fashion.
I hope she reads this and tries to shift up her style a bit. She seems like she'd be fun if she could let her hair down, and its obvious that she is smart too.
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:lol: That was you? Nice job.
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Honestly I think Stephanie is a cool enough girl. But she's definitely way too uptight about that feminazi crap.
+10 internets, and an invitation to be my own very special FB Friend
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I trolled Stephanie so hard. :D
I was actually amazed at how effective it was after i went back and listened to the podcast today. I could hardly stop from laughing at Denis cracking jokes during my call and so they dumped me. But the stream was down so I couldn't hear it until i downloaded the podcast.
I think I did a good job of pointing out everything that everyone here is complaining about. And that was my mission. It's rare that a troll crank call can be so effective at illustrating something like that.
Honestly I think Stephanie is a cool enough girl. But she's definitely way too uptight about that feminazi crap. And she could loosen up about that stupid stupid "nonviolent communication" bullshit. It really does sound like she's talking down her nose at you with a superiority complex. But really, I just think she's not satisfying my preferences. :lol:
I bet if we met in real life though we would get along and have a grand old time over a beer or something... oh damn I forgot she doesn't drink either. *donk*
Seriously though, she is probably a cool person to interact with on a personal level, I doubt she talks like that to people on a face to face basis like she does with them on the air.
Every time I hear her come on I start gritting my teeth because of her extremely poor communication style. It may work towards people of a lower order intelligence, but I believe that most of us would prefer to have people speak more straight forwardly towards us instead of in an evasive, "passive-aggressive" (I hate that term) fashion.
I hope she reads this and tries to shift up her style a bit. She seems like she'd be fun if she could let her hair down, and its obvious that she is smart too.
you know what? You're really full of shit! asshole!
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
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fuck you Al
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Rc5DFUtTQ&NR=1[/youtube]
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
All Hail our leader John Shaw!
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Fred is the only one who has been staunchly defending Stephanie. He has been taking plenty of shit as well.
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
thanks John......the complainers can kiss my ass - don't have the cajones to say it to me directly?
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awright then... I want to report Sam and Ken for being assholes and saying femi nazi over and over. the fucks!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOvGa-8-Lns[/youtube]
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
I don't know what makes sense about me being marmenthol John,
but isn't this the shit. They complain about Stephanie -about her correcting folks language and then they complain that my language is abusive. They never could handle being a woman in my opinion!
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
All Hail our leader John Shaw!
Mark,??????
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Fred, you were reported to mods for being an ass.
"The reporter has made the following comment:
unproductive, abusive language"
Just letting you know.
Also, I didn't realize until now that you were "marmenthol"
Makes sense.
I don't know what makes sense about me being marmenthol John,
but isn't this the shit. They complain about Stephanie -about her correcting folks language and then they complain that my language is abusive. They never could handle being a woman in my opinion!
If "them" is me, I didn't report jack shit.
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thanks then Ken!
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Mr Truth is the guy reporting.
Should we ban Fred, Mr Truth? Because that's the ultimate purpose of the "report" button.
The two posts he reported were the one's where Fred told Joel he was "full of shit asshole," and told Alaric "Fuck you, Al". And I happen to intuitively know (but not with 100% certainty, of course) that neither Joel nor Alaric were probably offended. Maybe a little "irked?" In any case, they themselves were not the ones to report the events.
Neither of those are what is generally considered "reportable" offenses, Mr Truth.
I mean, anything is reportable, technically.. but grow some balls Mr Truth, and overlook the simple stuff. This is a minor squabble, nothing more. And it doesn't diminish your "online experience", as far as I can tell. Nor does it actually involve you. Nobody actually said anything to you.
This BBS is "virtually unmoderated", which means, there will be differences of opinion and some harsh language. You agreed to that in 2010 when you signed up, and then Amp'ed this September. You have seen that this is common, with your own eyes. Becoming an "AMP" isn't gonna make your opinion any more valid in these minor disagreements.
So unless you see the few "serious" events that will result in banishment, just use the "ignore" feature, because I really don't feel like chasing around your whims.
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And no, for the record, Ken did not report shit.
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Godamn
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
I'm compensating for the size of my biceps :?
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
I'm compensating for the size of my biceps :?
dude, I'd probably lose in an arm wrestling contest!
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Just a bit ago, Fred complimented Al on his "how to" videos and asked him to make more. Does that sound like someone that has a REAL beef with someone? Its just a bit of messing around. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if it was dead serious, im sure Al could handle it. He's a big boy and I dont think he's gonna run off and slash his wrists out of the emotional trauma it caused him.
Whoever Mr Truth is, I'd suggest him stop being such a whiny douche.
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
I'm compensating for the size of my biceps :?
Ha :)
Which night did you call in? I'll tune in for that one.
I posted this link last week somewhere on the board- http://heartiste.wordpress.com/
While I'm not into "game" and have never really met an "Alpha Male" that I liked, that blog is very well written, has interesting perspectives that I usually agree with (and when I don't agree I still think the guy (guys?) makes good points). Feminism is a frequent target, as are sluts, and the psychology behind the women who usually identify as both.
Even if you aren't into that shit, it's still a good read. Especially for guys.
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Mr Truth is the guy reporting.
Should we ban Fred, Mr Truth? Because that's the ultimate purpose of the "report" button.
The two posts he reported were the one's where Fred told Joel he was "full of shit asshole," and told Alaric "Fuck you, Al". And I happen to intuitively know (but not with 100% certainty, of course) that neither Joel nor Alaric were probably offended. Maybe a little "irked?" In any case, they themselves were not the ones to report the events.
Neither of those are what is generally considered "reportable" offenses, Mr Truth.
I mean, anything is reportable, technically.. but grow some balls Mr Truth, and overlook the simple stuff. This is a minor squabble, nothing more. And it doesn't diminish your "online experience", as far as I can tell. Nor does it actually involve you. Nobody actually said anything to you.
This BBS is "virtually unmoderated", which means, there will be differences of opinion and some harsh language. You agreed to that in 2010 when you signed up, and then Amp'ed this September. You have seen that this is common, with your own eyes. Becoming an "AMP" isn't gonna make your opinion any more valid in these minor disagreements.
So unless you see the few "serious" events that will result in banishment, just use the "ignore" feature, because I really don't feel like chasing around your whims.
Wow. "Global moderator janitor" has called me out in public, and told me that I need to grow balls. And reprimanded me on how my being a paying member on Free Talk Live doesn't hold any more merit. I guess I will know not to up the amp and donate any more money. All because I clicked the little clicky that says "report to moderator" and simply wrote three small words to the moderators about language. I never said anything about banning anyone...your words, not mine. And so much for anonymity, but that's cool. And another poster has said that I am "a whiny douche." And I am the one who is overreacting here? I have only posted five times ever in these message boards, and have only spoken positive of FTL and their hosts. But I guess you sure showed me. Stay classy.
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Wow. "Global moderator janitor" has called me out in public, and told me that I need to grow balls. And reprimanded me on how my being a paying member on Free Talk Live doesn't hold any more merit. I guess I will know not to up the amp and donate any more money. All because I clicked the little clicky that says "report to moderator" and simply wrote three small words to the moderators about language. I never said anything about banning anyone...your words, not mine. And so much for anonymity, but that's cool. And another poster has said that I am "a whiny douche." And I am the one who is overreacting here? I have only posted five times ever in these message boards, and have only spoken positive of FTL and their hosts. But I guess you sure showed me. Stay classy.
Take a deep breath yo.
The issue is that Fred, while acting like a total cockbreath, didn't violate the TOS of the BBS. Generally speaking the only thing that gets reported around here is people chucking racist/hate speech shit, spamming, or threatening violence.
Those three things are about the only things mods will take seriously.
So when someone reports a post for being nasty, non-productive, unfriendly, or generally douchenozzle worthy, there's nothing we can (Or are generally willing to) do about it.
You sent the report, I took the extra step from ignoring it and mentioned it in the thread, for what it was worth.
*Shrug*
Unless Fred threatened to rape you with a chainsaw, called you a racial epithet, or posted twenty links to Alex Jones, there ain't much to be done.
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Do I have to start trolling again?
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Irony, shoulda picked another name.
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Do I have to start trolling again?
If you want.
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And another poster has said that I am "a whiny douche." And I am the one who is overreacting here? I have only posted five times ever in these message boards, and have only spoken positive of FTL and their hosts. But I guess you sure showed me. Stay classy.
I've posted thousands of times on here in 3 years, and guess what? Never once reported someone for "language", or for anything else. Thats pretty damn petty if you ask me. Only 5 posts in here and you already rat on someone?????? :lol: What does that say?
I called you a whiny douche, yes.................but I didn't go crying to the mod when you said something I didn't like. ;)
I only speak for myself here, so try, if you can, not to lump everyone else in with my un-classy behavior.
Have a sweet ass day, friend!
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sweet ass
Reported.
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sweet ass
Reported.
BANNED
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sweet ass
Reported.
BANNED
Fuck!!!
I mean, dang it!
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Not to derail the topic.....rather to re-rail the topic:
Preface: I listen to every minute of every show, regardless of what I think of Stephanie.
I was hoping it was just me that finds Stephanie to be like fingernails on a chalkboard. Believe it or not, I do comprehend that women are individuals. I can even accept that generalizations might not apply to every woman on the planet. Often, I can predict her response and I wonder why such a smart woman would bother stating the obvious; if not to be condescending. Why does she feel compelled to tell waste airtime telling us everyone is unique in every way?
We get it.
As for her voice, It makes me cringe. It is a similar sensation as hearing someone grind the gears in a brand new sports car.
It is better or worse depending on which mic she's on. I find it super irritating that she will be right on the mic and then trail off randomly. Maybe it's my own deep psychological issue, but her laugh makes me angry.
Adjustments to the mic processing might help some of it. The rest might need some combination of pot and a good lay.
I hope there is something constructive in this post.
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
I'm compensating for the size of my biceps :?
Dammit. Am I the only one compensating for a small penis?
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Mr Truth is the guy reporting.
Should we ban Fred, Mr Truth? Because that's the ultimate purpose of the "report" button.
The two posts he reported were the one's where Fred told Joel he was "full of shit asshole," and told Alaric "Fuck you, Al". And I happen to intuitively know (but not with 100% certainty, of course) that neither Joel nor Alaric were probably offended. Maybe a little "irked?" In any case, they themselves were not the ones to report the events.
Neither of those are what is generally considered "reportable" offenses, Mr Truth.
I mean, anything is reportable, technically.. but grow some balls Mr Truth, and overlook the simple stuff. This is a minor squabble, nothing more. And it doesn't diminish your "online experience", as far as I can tell. Nor does it actually involve you. Nobody actually said anything to you.
This BBS is "virtually unmoderated", which means, there will be differences of opinion and some harsh language. You agreed to that in 2010 when you signed up, and then Amp'ed this September. You have seen that this is common, with your own eyes. Becoming an "AMP" isn't gonna make your opinion any more valid in these minor disagreements.
So unless you see the few "serious" events that will result in banishment, just use the "ignore" feature, because I really don't feel like chasing around your whims.
Wow. "Global moderator janitor" has called me out in public, and told me that I need to grow balls. And reprimanded me on how my being a paying member on Free Talk Live doesn't hold any more merit. I guess I will know not to up the amp and donate any more money. All because I clicked the little clicky that says "report to moderator" and simply wrote three small words to the moderators about language. I never said anything about banning anyone...your words, not mine. And so much for anonymity, but that's cool. And another poster has said that I am "a whiny douche." And I am the one who is overreacting here? I have only posted five times ever in these message boards, and have only spoken positive of FTL and their hosts. But I guess you sure showed me. Stay classy.
I hope everything is cool. Takes a bit of a post count to get any respect at all here and even then it doesn't count for a lot. I also believe being a amper should count for something on the BBS ballsize contest but it just doesn't. That is the reason the debate is a bit more raw and honest. Stephanie is getting nothing but love outside here I'll bet.
On the FTL BBS, even Oz and Denis take a little shit, and they are serious players in the NH liberty movement,(and big time amps, especially Oz) so don't take it so hard.
If and when Dragline comes back you will soon find out how much shit gets a pass here. Anybody used to that guy didn't even consider bothering a mod about Fred's little ribbing.
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He drives a huge polluting Suburban too. I bet he is compensating for something.
Just to stop any confusion.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-show/mark-and-stephanie-92411-show/)
I'm compensating for the size of my biceps :?
Ha :)
Which night did you call in? I'll tune in for that one.
I posted this link last week somewhere on the board- http://heartiste.wordpress.com/
While I'm not into "game" and have never really met an "Alpha Male" that I liked, that blog is very well written, has interesting perspectives that I usually agree with (and when I don't agree I still think the guy (guys?) makes good points). Feminism is a frequent target, as are sluts, and the psychology behind the women who usually identify as both.
Even if you aren't into that shit, it's still a good read. Especially for guys.
9 21 I think. I barely pulled it off but it was far more successful than I ever could have hoped for.
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Go to the 1:08 mark here. Stephanie kinda comes off, to me, as a female version of this guys character. Not exactly, but you'll get the idea.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A[/youtube]
I dont know. Might just be the first impression I got and I could be totally wrong.
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Go to the 1:08 mark here. Stephanie kinda comes off, to me, as a female version of this guys character. Not exactly, but you'll get the idea.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A[/youtube]
I dont know. Might just be the first impression I got and I could be totally wrong.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Go to the 1:08 mark here. Stephanie kinda comes off, to me, as a female version of this guys character. Not exactly, but you'll get the idea.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A[/youtube]
I dont know. Might just be the first impression I got and I could be totally wrong.
Yeah, there's a lot of that...
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Go to the 1:08 mark here. Stephanie kinda comes off, to me, as a female version of this guys character. Not exactly, but you'll get the idea.
Gotta have a listen now. 9 21 here I come.
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(http://i.imgur.com/jqNl5.jpg)
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(http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/125420/mary-on-ai-laughing-hard.gif)
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(http://i.imgur.com/jqNl5.jpg)
I'm seriously hoping this is NOT a turn on for ya dude-
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I'm seriously hoping this is NOT a turn on for ya dude-
Whatchu talkin' bout Fred? Thats a DeWalt, not some piece of shit Harbor Freight $10 dollar deal....... pretty nice drills actually, even though its a lower end model compared to some of their other offerings.
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Geese... didn't,t even notice the handdrill ..... thank god most of my equipment is Hitachi and Atlas Capco. And by the way uh BJ...
What the Fuck does a guy with a drill shoved up his ass have to do with Stephanie on FTL????
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I think its troll activity to liven up the place!
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I think its troll activity to liven up the place!
Thread too heavy.
Time to troll!
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I think its troll activity to liven up the place!
Thread too heavy.
Time to troll!
(http://demotivational.ca/haters-gonna-hate/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/haters.jpg)
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Al's, no hater - he's trolln BJ.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related)
There is no rhyme or reason behind this post.
I dona hate nobody. Believe me I would have been just as ticked with a graphic photo of Lady Gaga taking ass to mouth (even though I would have had to rub one out as soon as I could get some privacy) My problem is there was porn where I wasn't expecting any. It embarrassed me at work.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuf61OjvoPQ&feature=related)
There is no rhyme or reason behind this post.
I dona hate nobody. Believe me I would have been just as ticked with a graphic photo of Lady Gaga taking ass to mouth (even though I would have had to rub one out as soon as I could get some privacy) My problem is there was porn where I wasn't expecting any. It embarrassed me at work.
We've been through this issue before a couple years ago, and it hasn't been a problem since... until now.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/mum-ordered-to-pay-back-sterile-dad/story-e6frfkvr-1226161667706 (http://www.news.com.au/national/mum-ordered-to-pay-back-sterile-dad/story-e6frfkvr-1226161667706)
I am just going to stick any ant-chick stuff I find here.
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More Stephanie!!!!
Chicago - I'm a Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5clEx9PSY#)
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This podcast is a "must listen" for any Stephanie lovers/ haters. Luther, Andrew and Puke give her some fight, and she holds her own. I kind of like her again. I respect people who can take it as well as dish it out.
To give you an idea, she had the balls to dis Adam Corolla who is kind of their god.
http://www.pukeandthegang.com/blog/files/podcast_11.mp3 (http://www.pukeandthegang.com/blog/files/podcast_11.mp3) (WMP pops)
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I too find Stephanie's voice and on-air mannerisms very irritating. The general tone of her voice is not particularly bad by itself – it’s like a cross between Kathleen Turner and Pee-Wee Herman. What gets me though, are the constant crackling sounds of what I assume to be saliva in her mount and throat, combined with the occasional gasps for air when she’s desperately trying to talk over someone.
I generally like the guest hosts, I am one of the loyal podcast listeners that listens to every second of every show…except when Stephanie is on – I tend to fast-forward a lot or I’ll just turn it off after the 3rd or 4th “I’m so sorry” (I dislike phony empathy).
I know Don Cheadle’s twin (Fred) is a huge fan of Stephanie, and I’m happy that he’s got Porc Therapy to listen to. Stephanie’s “everyone’s-a-victim” schtick just doesn’t appeal to me.
Back to you, trolls.
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you expected it...you asked for it...you'd be surprised if you didn't get a response...?
Fuck You Dick Nose wish you could be a pussy.
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and, I don't listen to or have any interest in porctherapy. Stephanie is a good side kick for Mark..
and, you really seem like a prick - Prick-
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Lolz Kathleen Turner and Pee-Wee Herman. Her laugh ain't that bad. :D
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yea, she's sweet - guys just think its mushy, but some chicks really are sappy, and if you don't notice - you miss out- AND, not just on sex which is what 45 minutes...
There's a lot to notice...
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
Sometimes it lasts a couple hours for me....
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
Sometimes it lasts a couple hours for me....
Circumcision is a bitch.
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
Sometimes it lasts a couple hours for me....
Circumcision is a bitch.
Not really.
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Honestly I think Stephanie is a cool enough girl
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I bet if we met in real life though we would get along and have a grand old time over a beer or something... oh damn I forgot she doesn't drink either. *donk*
I doubt you are going to have a grand old time if you call her a girl.
While Stephanie might take feminize further than any person I've ever met, there are plenty of feminist, even in the liberty movement. It's just one of those things. Personally, even though I greatly disagree with the feminist in the liberty movement (that I've met) on many issues, they are all good people. My life is better because I know Stephanie.
About of the complaints with her voice... I don't know, it seems like a fine voice to me.
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I think its troll activity to liven up the place!
LOL. Shockingly, the two worst trolls on the bbs live together. Oh well. This community is great :)
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Stephanie and Nemi. Cage match. Who'se with me?
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
Sometimes it lasts a couple hours for me....
Sounds tiresome. Get on, get off, get out, get a beer. Why bother the girl for more then you have to.
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For the record, I think her voice is a great radio voice--not the problem. She's mostly been better lately (I'm behind in the podcast, though.)
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Sex can last more than 5 minutes? :shock: Why?
Sometimes it lasts a couple hours for me....
Sounds tiresome. Get on, get off, get out, get a beer. Why bother the girl for more then you have to.
Sex is about having fun and pleasure.
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You mean the chick should wear a clown outfit? Still don't see the point of making her wait so long there on her knees for you to splooge on her face. That is just arrogant and wrong.
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I think she's supposed to be enjoying it too..
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I think she's supposed to be enjoying it too..
It's more fun for you if she's enjoying it too, that's for sure.
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Stephanie and Nemi. Cage match. Who'se with me?
Count me in.
100%
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I think she's supposed to be enjoying it too..
I like you Fred.
But WTF are you talking about?
Did she clean the shed like I asked her to?
Did she do the dishes and vaccum the house and pass the white glove test?
Did she mow the lawn again for the second time this week and pull all the weeds from the flower bed?
When she does those things and I get around to checking them off my list of shit she needs to do, THEN ..........MAYBE, she gets pleasure................. till then............... three or four strokes, DONE.... then im out cold.
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I think she's supposed to be enjoying it too..
I like you Fred.
But WTF are you talking about?
Did she clean the shed like I asked her to?
Did she do the dishes and vaccum the house and pass the white glove test?
Did she mow the lawn again for the second time this week and pull all the weeds from the flower bed?
When she does those things and I get around to checking them off my list of shit she needs to do, THEN ..........MAYBE, she gets pleasure................. till then............... three or four strokes, DONE.... then im out cold.
Sounds fair to me :lol:
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Fuck You Dick Nose wish you could be a pussy.
- I'm not even sure what that means. It's pretty clear to me now...you're a towel.
and, I don't listen to or have any interest in porctherapy. Stephanie is a good side kick for Mark..
and, you really seem like a prick - Prick-
- I am a prick, Prick...and I think she's not a good side kick for Mark because he lets her bullshit slide. No offense to Mark - I'll let a hot lesbo chick get away with just about anything in real-life, but giving her a pass on her pseudo-intellectual arbiter-of-all-abuse bullshit just isn't Mark - you know he'd call Ian or anyone else to the carpet for that in a heartbeat.
"I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry...sorry...so sorry, an affront to individuality, so...sorry...to...hear...th..." KABOOM! (My radio explodes after reaching critical-phony-sympathy-mass)
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I agree with you about all the "sorry" shit - but, you're probably still a Prick cuz of the way you go about expressing yourself.
Manic Depression- Jimi Hendrix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jDkuG3dMS8#)
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Stephanie and Nemi. Cage match. Who'se with me?
Stephanie wouldn't have a chance in hell would she? Why would you do that you meanie. :shock:
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Fuck You Dick Nose wish you could be a pussy.
- I'm not even sure what that means. It's pretty clear to me now...you're a towel.
and, I don't listen to or have any interest in porctherapy. Stephanie is a good side kick for Mark..
and, you really seem like a prick - Prick-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tF-9Uf-Mk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tF-9Uf-Mk&feature=related)
- I am a prick, Prick...and I think she's not a good side kick for Mark because he lets her bullshit slide. No offense to Mark - I'll let a hot lesbo chick get away with just about anything in real-life, but giving her a pass on her pseudo-intellectual arbiter-of-all-abuse bullshit just isn't Mark - you know he'd call Ian or anyone else to the carpet for that in a heartbeat.
"I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry...sorry...so sorry, an affront to individuality, so...sorry...to...hear...th..." KABOOM! (My radio explodes after reaching critical-phony-sympathy-mass)
Jimmy Hendrix - Are You Experienced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tF-9Uf-Mk#)
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no, she might just kick Nems new Hampshire Ass!
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I honestly don't know what Nemi looks like, but I have "chatted" with her on the FTL chatpage. She mentioned she plays Hockey. Hockey players don't apologise a hell of a lot.
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Rolling Stones - Paint it Black LYRICS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Egt1Hq4wpE#noexternalembed)
Al, she looks nice, but so does Stephanie
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I was intrigued to hear on Sunday's podcast that there's trolling of Stephanie going on here. I'm sure I'm one of the trolls.
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I was intrigued to hear on Sunday's podcast that there's trolling of Stephanie going on here. I'm sure I'm one of the trolls.
I think they like using us for promotional material. That said, I am going to repeat that I don't hate Stephanie, I actually think she seems like a really cool girl. BUT that feminazi garbage drives me nuts. So does the "non-violent communication".
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I think they like using us for promotional material. That said, I am going to repeat that I don't hate Stephanie, I actually think she seems like a really cool girl. BUT that feminazi garbage drives me nuts. So does the "non-violent communication".
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Since she really isn't fond of being called a girl, I could see how someone could consider what you just said trolling. I don't think you are trolling though. I'm sure many if not the majority of listeners agree with you to some degree.
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I was intrigued to hear on Sunday's podcast that there's trolling of Stephanie going on here. I'm sure I'm one of the trolls.
I think they like using us for promotional material. That said, I am going to repeat that I don't hate Stephanie, I actually think she seems like a really cool girl. BUT that feminazi garbage drives me nuts. So does the "non-violent communication".
That's pretty much where I stand. I can tolerate her general act when it doesn't wander into those areas--which it inevitably does when she's on THREE NIGHTS IN A ROW!
I was listening to Saturday or Sunday's podcast and this paranoia that men were somehow being systematically sexist came out again. It was not what the topic was about and totally derailed it.
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So does the "non-violent communication".
Can you tell me what it is that bothers you about NVC? Do you feel that your need to not be spoken down to is not being met?
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So does the "non-violent communication".
Can you tell me what it is that bothers you about NVC? Do you feel that your need to not be spoken down to is not being met?
:lol:
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So does the "non-violent communication".
Can you tell me what it is that bothers you about NVC? Do you feel that your need to not be spoken down to is not being met?
You're not respecting my preferences dale.
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That was pretty funny Dale.
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Actually, it exposes the critical flaw in the "talking down to people" approach to pretending to be sensitive. Props to Dale for putting it into words. He's right on.
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Actually, it exposes the critical flaw in the "talking down to people" approach to pretending to be sensitive. Props to Dale for putting it into words. He's right on.
Agreed. Too condescending. And nuts about the feminazi BS & royal titles.
Avi: Should I call you Bullet? Tooth?
Bullet Tooth Tony: You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0208092/quotes)
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Stephanie is trolling us with her feminazi stuff. I noticed on this last podcast she didn't engage in the retard-violent communication too much (at all that I noticed), but she did sneak in a little feminazi troll on us. Give it a listen. She'd have been successful if I listened live.
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But, I dont wanna listen to it.
Are you going to respect my prefrences to not want to be made to listen?
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http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Porc-Therapy-2011-10-21.mp3 (http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Porc-Therapy-2011-10-21.mp3)
I would like to discuss Stephanie's opinion in the beginning of this podcast. I disagree with her point of view saying one should live for their own happiness. I believe one has a responsibility towards their children. When it is said, "Yeah screw your kids you will only be happy after you abandon them and move to NH." is insulting to us who already suffer and sacrifice for our children. I listened to this podcast because I am a fan of Tarrin Lupo and he has indeed a good dialogue.
I am really getting tired of all these children experts in the liberty movement who are childless. One of these days Marks head is going to explode.
Anybody know why she is suddenly looking for a girlfriend? Has she separated from her husband or are they open or what?
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I disagree with her point of view saying one should live for their own happiness. I believe one has a responsibility towards their children.
But doesn't it make you happy knowing your kids have the things they need to be comfortable?
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I do. My kids are not allowed to run around like chimpanzees on crack though.
Had I raised them like the childless liberty people suggest, I might agree to run like hell.
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I do. My kids are not allowed to run around like chimpanzees on crack though.
Even though I dont have kids myself, I agree with that.
I imagine if I did have kids though, I'd want to protect them from immediate real-life physical dangers they are too inexperienced to deal with on their own. ie running with scissors, playing in the street for the tiny ones..... stuff like that. I think I'd give them free reign over other things though. Things that might upset them emotionaly when they fucked it up, stuff they'd be better off messing up on their own and learning a valuable lesson from.
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Hmm...the parents' responsibility thing. I strongly believe a parent is responsible for his children, at least until they are beyond the larvae stage.
Not sure if that was exactly the discussion though. I'm still behind in the podcast.
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I was trying to figure out why Stephanie's complaining about how she wants a girlfriend every time I heard her lately bothered me. I think it is because I heard her say that she was married, and I, deep down inside, don't like my hypocrisy in that I would savage a married man who did that. I guess neither is my business though.
By the by I found a cure for guys that accidentally listen to too much Stephanie and start to believe that all liberty women are condescending Know -it -alls. This podcast:
http://www.sexliesanarchy.com/ (http://www.sexliesanarchy.com/)
These three women seem to be very different and have very open hearted and interesting discussions.
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Funny, I think she expressed the concern that women would think all liberty loving men are womanizers (of course, that would be her concern.)
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the gay nag may be worse Dale.
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I agree Dale, gay is a choice.
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the gay nag may be worse Dale.
What exactly is the gay nag?
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I agree Dale, gay is a choice.
It's not, hence the joke. But now that you've made me explain it...
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the gay nag may be worse Dale.
What exactly is the gay nag?
It is a mare that really likes to closely follow other mares.
I agree Dale, gay is a choice.
1. Lol what?
2. Do you get up in the morning and choose if you want filthy cock or a fine cleanly shaved and showered snatch that day?
(or are you assfucking a chick and is suddenly occurs that jacking a cock would be so much easier then tickling her clit on the reacharound)*
3. If I could decide to be gay I would have done it between divorces.
4. Please refere to the video on the Liberty Kids thread addressing gays.
* I doubt it is.
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1. Lol what?
2. Do you get up in the morning and choose if you want filthy cock or a fine cleanly shaved and showered snatch that day?
(or are you assfucking a chick and is suddenly occurs that jacking a cock would be so much easier then tickling her clit on the reacharound)*
3. If I could decide to be gay I would have done it between divorces.
4. Please refere to the video on the Liberty Kids thread addressing gays.
* I doubt it is.
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3. and to tha
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Snoop Doggy Dog and Dr. Dre is at the do'.
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the gay nag may be worse Dale.
What exactly is the gay nag?
The happy horse.
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Gay is of course a choice. So is everything else in life. Suggesting that it isn't is admitting guilt that what you are doing is wrong but that you aren't at fault because it isn't a choice.
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People choose to behave in a certain way. They don't choose to be a certain way (except in ways that really define behavior, such as bad habits, which you can choose to change, but may not be simple.) The Spanish forms of Ser and Estar, I believe, address this confusion.
Christian doctrine (not sticking up for it, just bringing it up), for example, indicates that we're born evil, but we can choose (to do) good. Of course, it also indicates we're incapable of being good all the time, and that's where it breaks down, but the difference, I think is in the nature of the person (possibly DNA or nurture) and the behavior of the person, without regard to whether we're talking "good vs. bad."
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So I'm the asshole here I guess. I am sorry if you guys had a choice. I am attracted to women I never looked at a guy and said, "Damn I really want that dude to fuck me in the ass and cum all over my face while I rub one out, but I choose to like women." I just always liked women and I assumed that homosexuals were just the opposite or something. I apologise for my ignorance. I didn't know you guys chose to be straight. I honestly never felt I had a choice.
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So I'm the asshole here I guess. I am sorry if you guys had a choice. I am attracted to women I never looked at a guy and said, "Damn I really want that dude to fuck me in the ass and cum all over my face while I rub one out, but I choose to like women." I just always liked women and I assumed that homosexuals were just the opposite or something. I apologise for my ignorance. I didn't know you guys chose to be straight. I honestly never felt I had a choice.
Nor have I. And that's because I don't think it's a good choice for individuals such as myself to make. If other folks want to make that decision its up to them. For me, it is counterintuitive. Of course now some individuals are going to try to paint me as an anti-gay bigot, but that's not the case; I just don't think homosexuality is a wise choice, but if others want to make that decision it is up to them.
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People choose to behave in a certain way. They don't choose to be a certain way (except in ways that really define behavior, such as bad habits, which you can choose to change, but may not be simple.) The Spanish forms of Ser and Estar, I believe, address this confusion.
Christian doctrine (not sticking up for it, just bringing it up), for example, indicates that we're born evil, but we can choose (to do) good. Of course, it also indicates we're incapable of being good all the time, and that's where it breaks down, but the difference, I think is in the nature of the person (possibly DNA or nurture) and the behavior of the person, without regard to whether we're talking "good vs. bad."
I agree with your analysis in part, but I completely disagree with Christian doctrine regarding original sin. I think that's bullshit. People make choices that are good and bad. They aren't born one way or another. Environmental conditioning is part of the equation, too.
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You fuck what you are attracted to. Its just that simple, in almost all cases.
Im straight, but I suppose if I were offered enough cash, say enough to where I'd never have to work again for the rest of my life, I'd do a dude and not think too much about it.
Everything is a choice when it comes right down to it. Some choices just come with more complications than others do and you decide whether to deal with those or not.
I'm sure there has been some dude, somewhere out there at some point in history, who was naturally attracted to other men but decided to screw women instead and supress his natural urges because of the bullshit they would catch from their family. Sounds messed up, but I betcha its happened.
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People choose to behave in a certain way. They don't choose to be a certain way (except in ways that really define behavior, such as bad habits, which you can choose to change, but may not be simple.) The Spanish forms of Ser and Estar, I believe, address this confusion.
Christian doctrine (not sticking up for it, just bringing it up), for example, indicates that we're born evil, but we can choose (to do) good. Of course, it also indicates we're incapable of being good all the time, and that's where it breaks down, but the difference, I think is in the nature of the person (possibly DNA or nurture) and the behavior of the person, without regard to whether we're talking "good vs. bad."
I agree with your analysis in part, but I completely disagree with Christian doctrine regarding original sin. I think that's bullshit. People make choices that are good and bad. They aren't born one way or another. Environmental conditioning is part of the equation, too.
See where I said "not sticking up for it, just bringing it up."
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Dale, (after about 30 attempts to get my damn compaq to boot - I may have to drag out my old laptop but it only has 512 megs of ram and it sucks) I was going to say...
I thought the cartoon you posted was showing a guy fed up with his wife bitching and he decided he'd try going "gay" for relief with less bitching.
I don't think being gay is a choice ( like Al said) you're either attracted/aroused by someone or you're not. I mean, yea - you could have sex with a woman, but if it doesn't turn you on like ha ving sex with a guy, then what the hell, why do it with women?
I used to work at Budget Rent a Car for years and I was around alot of gay guys and gals. Several guys let me know they were attracted to me, but I told em I just can't get it up for a dick and hairy legs - the feeling just wasn't there. So, I'm definitely hetero...
I'm thinking there are plenty of nagging boyfriends that make you want to blow your brains out from the frustration..
Its not very likely that a guy or gal that is gay would go through all the ostracism and headaches you must get for liking the same sex unless that was really what they were naturally attracted to and comfortable with.
This is a no- brainer imo. If I was attracted to and excited by guys, I'd go for it.
Now, on a different topic, any techies out there that can help me figure out why my 4 year old compaq won't stay on, keeps shutting down, and takes about 30 trys to get it to start?
I've done 2 system restores on this bitch already. I've always used Norton, and aside from going to a few sketchy porn sites have kept my system clean. Is is hardware or software?
Either way, I'm going for a new pc with windows 7 instead of this shitty Vista before Christmas.
The J. Geils Band - Give it To Me (Full Version w/ Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYgZ3-h2E1g#)
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Now, on a different topic, any techies out there that can help me figure out why my 4 year old compaq won't stay on, keeps shutting down, and takes about 30 trys to get it to start?
Is is hardware or software?
Its hardware related.
Overheating of the CPU most likely.
Take off all the covers on the bottom (if its a laptop) and spray some of that canned wind in the fucker to clean out all the dust that prevents good airflow. If its a desktop, I'd guess a failing CPU or main power supply, unless you notice no air flowing through the AT power supply fan (the big fan on the back). That might be an issue as well. Try cleaning it out and see what happens. Sometimes faulty RAM memory will do that kind of thing too.
Most likely though, the damage has already been done and its time for a new one.
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Thanks Mike - I've cleaned it pretty well over the years. So, once its gone, its gone? My new one is waiting.
Just wondered if I could buy a component or two and still have it available. I hate to throw shit away. And, HP wanted $50 to help me figure it out. Not bad, but on the phone vs local, I'll go local..
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Thanks Mike - I've cleaned it pretty well over the years. So, once its gone, its gone? My new one is waiting.
Just wondered if I could buy a component or two and still have it available. I hate to throw shit away. And, HP wanted $50 to help me figure it out. Not bad, but on the phone vs local, I'll go local..
I wouldn't spend too much trying to fix it. If you feel comfortable doing it, pull the cover off and yank one RAM module out at a time and see if it works with one or the other not in the thing. Then try the soundcard. etc etc.
If its RAM, you have to figure out if its worth the expense of buying new stuff. If its the CPU, scrap it unless you can get a replacement cheap on Ebay or something like that.
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Thanks Mike - I've cleaned it pretty well over the years. So, once its gone, its gone? My new one is waiting.
Just wondered if I could buy a component or two and still have it available. I hate to throw shit away. And, HP wanted $50 to help me figure it out. Not bad, but on the phone vs local, I'll go local..
I wouldn't spend too much trying to fix it. If you feel comfortable doing it, pull the cover off and yank one RAM module out at a time and see if it works with one or the other not in the thing. Then try the soundcard. etc etc.
If its RAM, you have to figure out if its worth the expense of buying new stuff. If its the CPU, scrap it unless you can get a replacement cheap on Ebay or something like that.
I appreciate your input! Its probably gone - these things seem to have about a 3 or 4 years lifespan.
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I think you can be born gay AND that some people choose to be gay. I mean is that a crazy thing to say? I have a close friend who went through a bad break up with a guy and became a lesbian for about a year until she met another "Mr. Right" and now she's straight again. I don't doubt people like Dale who say they were born that way but it pisses me off a little when I hear these "NOBODY CHOOSES THAT LIFESTYLE" argument.
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I think you can be born gay AND that some people choose to be gay. I mean is that a crazy thing to say? I have a close friend who went through a bad break up with a guy and became a lesbian for about a year until she met another "Mr. Right" and now she's straight again. I don't doubt people like Dale who say they were born that way but it pisses me off a little when I hear these "NOBODY CHOOSES THAT LIFESTYLE" argument.
You obviously hate homosexuals.
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I have a close friend who went through a bad break up with a guy and became a lesbian for about a year until she met another "Mr. Right" and now she's straight again.
Women seem far less hardwired than men. I don't know how much of this is nature (they were born that way, haha) vs. how much more accepting society is of female-on-female affection than male-on-male, therefore it's far less taboo. I suspect there's a lot of the latter. Maybe men will tend to be more bisexual and it will actually be a choice for many more men once society gets over the taboo, and it will. It's just a matter of time. I don't know though. This is just speculation. I don't know how much is nature vs. nurture.
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Gay is of course a choice. So is everything else in life. Suggesting that it isn't is admitting guilt that what you are doing is wrong but that you aren't at fault because it isn't a choice.
There are lots of things I do that are definitely choices that I don't feel guilty about, and yet they're far more taboo than gay buttsecks, but they don't harm anyone or impede their choices. Did you listen to the fetish episode of FTL? You have a bizarre notion of "wrong". Mine's based on harm.
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I have a close friend who went through a bad break up with a guy and became a lesbian for about a year until she met another "Mr. Right" and now she's straight again.
Women seem far less hardwired than men. I don't know how much of this is nature (they were born that way, haha) vs. how much more accepting society is of female-on-female affection than male-on-male, therefore it's far less taboo. I suspect there's a lot of the latter. Maybe men will tend to be more bisexual and it will actually be a choice for many more men once society gets over the taboo, and it will. It's just a matter of time. I don't know though. This is just speculation. I don't know how much is nature vs. nurture.
Why do you hate gays Dale?
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Gay is of course a choice. So is everything else in life. Suggesting that it isn't is admitting guilt that what you are doing is wrong but that you aren't at fault because it isn't a choice.
There are lots of things I do that are definitely choices that I don't feel guilty about, and yet they're far more taboo than gay buttsecks, but they don't harm anyone or impede their choices. Did you listen to the fetish episode of FTL? You have a bizarre notion of "wrong". Mine's based on harm.
There are a lot of things one can do that are "wrong" but don't harm anyone.
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:P Me and the wife have been doing a whole lotta wrong lately. And it is pretty awesome.
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There are a lot of things one can do that are "wrong" but don't harm anyone.
That's why I was curious how you derive the meaning of "wrong" if it has nothing to do with causing harm, not even to one's self. I mean, right and wrong are fairly arbitrary notions to begin with, but how arbitrary they are seems to depend on how consistent you are in figuring them out.
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I have a close friend who went through a bad break up with a guy and became a lesbian for about a year until she met another "Mr. Right" and now she's straight again.
Women seem far less hardwired than men. I don't know how much of this is nature (they were born that way, haha) vs. how much more accepting society is of female-on-female affection than male-on-male, therefore it's far less taboo. I suspect there's a lot of the latter. Maybe men will tend to be more bisexual and it will actually be a choice for many more men once society gets over the taboo, and it will. It's just a matter of time. I don't know though. This is just speculation. I don't know how much is nature vs. nurture.
Maybe it has to do with that scale somebody brought up, and where you fall on that scale can color your view of whether "you're just born that way" or "it was a choice." For example, I'm exactly 0% homosexual, from what I can tell, but some other guy might be perhaps 30%. As far as I'm concerned, I'm that way. The guy who's 30% (and the same place I heard this, apparently women's numbers tend to track higher, like "more bi") gets to choose, and both choices have some merit that can be weighed (aesthetically, I guess.) For me, I don't really see it as a choice. A guy who's "100% homosexual" doesn't really see any choice either. Don't know if that makes sense, exactly, but it's how I imagine it.
There are a lot of things one can do that are "wrong" but don't harm anyone.
That's why I was curious how you derive the meaning of "wrong" if it has nothing to do with causing harm, not even to one's self. I mean, right and wrong are fairly arbitrary notions to begin with, but how arbitrary they are seems to depend on how consistent you are in figuring them out.
I follow you, for the most part. When my ideas of right and wrong were handed down to me from someone else, there were more arbitrary, and didn't necessarily have anything to do with hurting anyone, using force, threat of force, fraud, etc. They were a matter of someone else's "law" (not necessarily legislation.) Now, I equate wrong, so far as I can tell, with nothing other than force, threat of force, or fraud. Isn't this sorta what the whole NAP business is about--a new basis for ethics?
People who've read enough Ayn Rand, I'd think, would be somewhat familiar with the idea of morals being exactly equal to right and wrong, and being defined as what's good for the human, both as a person and as a species. Of course the NAP isn't exactly where she takes it, but the idea that there's a fundamental principle of write and wrong seems necessary to principled libertarians and objectivists, etc.
Sorry if that was sorta scattershot.
Then again...on the NAP and objectivist ethics, you could say something both true and hurtful to someone, and it seems like it could be confused with "wrong," or at least the sort of thing one "shouldn't do." Clearly, there are things that are not immoral according to those ethics systems could be "really shitty" at best. Makes you wonder if "being an asshole" is "wrong."
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A friend of mine has a son in grade school. The kid is gifted musically and attends an art school. No one will be surprised in a few more years if he announces he is gay - he already has ultra-feminine mannerisms, which may not be a defining factor but I think it's a realistic indicator. I figure it's his natural condition, he was born that way.
But like the pilot fellow said, I also think it can be a choice for some people.
What if a person is simply a pervert who gets off on all sorts of sex? I don't mean bisexual, I mean flat out perverted. Would that person be considered gay for fucking another fella?
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I try and gag my way through a thread and all the others in the peanut gallery turn the fucking conversation intelligent and serious and I come out looking like a jackass. :shock:
Fine. I think someone who lives by the NAP tends to separate sex and love. Someone could have sexual relations with someone of the same sex in the heat of a moment or for enough cash and still be straight generally.
I mean shit, I'd be gay for a hell of a lot less then 10m (50x200g). And I am pretty sure I would still be straight afterword.
So if you you win the lotto and want some hetero ass, lets talk.
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OK, to the issue of less Stephanie-
Come on, she's usually only on once a week. And I value her medical knowledge, her soothing voice, and the extra dimension she brings to the discussion.
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OK, to the issue of less Stephanie-
Come on, she's usually only on once a week. And I value her medical knowledge, her soothing voice, and the extra dimension she brings to the discussion.
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She was on three nights straight.
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She was on three nights straight.
I think that's the 7th sign of the apocalypse!
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OK, to the issue of less Stephanie-
Come on, she's usually only on once a week. And I value her medical knowledge, her soothing voice, and the extra dimension she brings to the discussion.
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She was on three nights straight.
So she was gay on the other nights?
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She was on three nights straight.
So she was gay on the other nights?
Based on where she seems to fall on the Kinsey Scale (http://www.iub.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-hhscale.html), that seems about right.
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She was on three nights straight.
I think that's the 7th sign of the apocalypse!
It was in response to the claim that she's only on once a week.
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Admiral Gunn called in to Prometheus Unchained it was hysterical. I'll post it later. Stephanie is being whiny as hell in the rest of the show. So it fits well in this thread.
Buzz and Stephanie are trying to tell Ridley how to do his freaking job in the most thin skinned whiny way ever!!! AAAArgggggg.
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I am the man.
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Dude you should call in too
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Admiral Gunn called in to Prometheus Unchained it was hysterical. I'll post it later. Stephanie is being whiny as hell in the rest of the show. So it fits well in this thread.
Buzz and Stephanie are trying to tell Ridley how to do his freaking job in the most thin skinned whiny way ever!!! AAAArgggggg.
[Download Episode 2011/11/13] (http://flamingfreedom.com/media/archives/Prometheus.Unchained.2011.11.13.mp3)
Hosts Stephanie, Neal, and Dale :: YouTube Promoting Spam :: Prometheus Unchained Interview on Ridley Report :: Infantilizing Women :: Is LGBT a Choice? :: Yes, Misogyny but What About Misandry :: Are Straight Guys Kinda, Sorta Pedo?
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Dude you should call in too
I had nothing to add. I have noticed the other co hosts are trying to get Stephanie to lighten up and I daresay they are trying to do it with more tact than I would. Except P&TG who seem to be getting at least one dig in her every episode lately.
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"Are Straight Guys Kinda, Sorta Pedo?"
What was that about? Summarize that talk for me.
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What was that about? Summarize that talk for me.
Yeah, nice try at undermining my trolling. Pfft.
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What was that about? Summarize that talk for me.
Yeah, nice try at undermining my trolling. Pfft.
I didn't listen that day :) I thought those notes were real.
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"Are Straight Guys Kinda, Sorta Pedo?"
What was that about? Summarize that talk for me.
Dale was not trolling. Their reasons about that nonpracticing pedophile straight guys thing will really strike home for you Jap comic fans.
For the record I like em over 25, worldly, and natural. I like to annoy women who want to bitch about the word "chick" or "girl" though.
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Stephanie Rocks! I dig her!
Bruce Springsteen - You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch) (Rockabilly Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5i7teN-nZQ#)
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"Are Straight Guys Kinda, Sorta Pedo?"
What was that about? Summarize that talk for me.
Dale was not trolling. Their reasons about that nonpracticing pedophile straight guys thing will really strike home for you Jap comic fans.
For the record I like em over 25, worldly, and natural. I like to annoy women who want to bitch about the word "chick" or "girl" though.
Ok, I listened to that part... it seemed like speculation and babbling with no point. Someone please enlighten me to what the hosts were going for.
Their reasons about that nonpracticing pedophile straight guys thing will really strike home for you Jap comic fans.
I see what you did there. :P
(http://i.imgur.com/JCpNZ.jpg)
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Some gay people accusing straight men of being pedophiles for being attracted to feminine features like lack of body hair?
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Dale was not trolling.
The discussion wasn't trolling but the desc kinda was.
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I'm sorry but the host of the Big Gay Dance Party with mother-daughter pole dancing and a Miss Porcupole award accusing Ridley of injecting too much sexuality into the homosexual lifestyle is a bit rich.
I call my friends "guys" and nobody thinks anything of it. Guys night out, grabbing a few beers with the guys, etc etc. This idea that calling a woman a girl or chick is denigrating to women is flat-out horseshit. So can I still say "chick-flick" or is it "woman-flick"? Should I lecture my fiance when she says she's going to the girls room?
I can't believe I listened to that whole episode ( no offense dale, I really enjoyed the call between you and sam) but the real gem was Steph (hope that's not insulting) saying that everyone would be a femnist if they thought about it.
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It just occured to me that after taking up another half of PU with her anti-sexist word rant, that logic seems to dictate that she thinks that women that fall for such words as less-sophisticated intellectually.
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I call my friends "guys" and nobody thinks anything of it. Guys night out, grabbing a few beers with the guys, etc etc. This idea that calling a woman a girl or chick is denigrating to women is flat-out horseshit.
I can't believe I listened to that whole episode ( no offense dale, I really enjoyed the call between you and sam) but the real gem was Steph (hope that's not insulting) saying that everyone would be a femnist if they thought about it.
I'm not one to defend feminism. However, to be fair, it is guy = gal and boy = girl.
I don't know any males that I think would find being called a guy by a male or female offensive.
I know some females that I think would find being called a gal by a male offensive.
I know plenty of males that I think would find being called a boy by a male or female offensive.
I know some females that I think would find being called a girl by a male offensive.
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It just occured to me that after taking up another half of PU with her anti-sexist word rant, that logic seems to dictate that she thinks that women that fall for such words as less-sophisticated intellectually.
This is, of course, the elitism often associated with the left, and it's fitting in the context of feminism for the obvious reasons. Generally, the assertion is that those who "should" agree and don't are of lesser intelligence.
I call my friends "guys" and nobody thinks anything of it. Guys night out, grabbing a few beers with the guys, etc etc. This idea that calling a woman a girl or chick is denigrating to women is flat-out horseshit.
I can't believe I listened to that whole episode ( no offense dale, I really enjoyed the call between you and sam) but the real gem was Steph (hope that's not insulting) saying that everyone would be a femnist if they thought about it.
I'm not one to defend feminism. However, to be fair, it is guy = gal and boy = girl.
I don't know any males that I think would find being called a guy by a male or female offensive.
I know some females that I think would find being called a gal by a male offensive.
I know plenty of males that I think would find being called a boy by a male or female offensive.
I know some females that I think would find being called a girl by a male offensive.
Except "gal" is relatively archaic. Women frequently refer to each other as girls. Men frequently refer to each other as guys. This is yet another senseless wedge issue in liberty.
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Stephanie likes to be called Stephanie instead of Steph because she likes the fanny. It's lip-smacking good.
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Who doesn't?
I have to admit though this Porctherapy was really interesting.
http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Porc-Therapy-2011-11-04.mp3 (http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Porc-Therapy-2011-11-04.mp3)
Anti- recruiting, the people forced/ tricked to be fixed, how to be more attractive.
I still recommend following up with sex and lies and anarchy though.
http://www.sexliesanarchy.com/ (http://www.sexliesanarchy.com/)
Honestly they really are a good mix.
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Who doesn't?
Who doesn't like the fanny? Straight women, gay men, and people who prefer to be called Steph (who don't like the fanny).
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I like some/many fannys. They're scrumptuous!
Everybody Wants You -Billy Squier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhOZL21g2aE#noexternalembed)
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Stephanie Rocks! I dig her!
Bruce Springsteen - You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch) (Rockabilly Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5i7teN-nZQ#)
Stephanie is the best. She brings so much to the show that no one else does. It's a perspective that Mark or Ian doesn't have. I love what Wayne, Michele and Dale brought to the show also. Stephanie brings something unique, but her contribution always seems on a high level. I always feel better for hearing what she says.
By the way, Buzz would be a great co-host.
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Stephanie Rocks! I dig her!
Bruce Springsteen - You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch) (Rockabilly Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5i7teN-nZQ#)
Stephanie is the best. She brings so much to the show that no one else does. It's a perspective that Mark or Ian doesn't have. I love what Wayne, Michele and Dale brought to the show also. Stephanie brings something unique, but her contribution always seems on a high level. I always feel better for hearing what she says.
By the way, Buzz would be a great co-host.
Yeah right man.
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The Buzz and Stephanie show started out as one great big whiny drag. Stephanie even dissed P&TG's awesome show without plugging it. Somehow towards the end Buzz started to relax and brought interesting insight to the table. I would like to hear more of the more relaxed Buzz in the future.
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The Buzz and Stephanie show started out as one great big whiny drag. Stephanie even dissed P&TG's awesome show without plugging it. Somehow towards the end Buzz started to relax and brought interesting insight to the table. I would like to hear more of the more relaxed Buzz in the future.
I accidentally tuned into this the other day. I turned on xiaa live to LRN and put my helmet on and started riding my bike. Then the news break ended and Stephanie comes on bitching and moaning about how the evil man oppresses her on a daily basis and how we should instead kiss her toes. Then she starts talking about how guys are always hitting on her and how she'd prefer if guys don't hit on her. Uh, I don't believe her, but if it is true that guys are saying completely nasty and inappropriate stuff to her then yeah, they should stop, but I don't believe that anybody would hit on her like that with her retarded attitude, I would stay the fuck away from her because she has a terrible whiny attitude. I wanted to scream, but didn't want to pull off of the freeway to turn off the stream, so I listened to this garbage for 15 minutes before I could finally turn it off. I couldn't get home fast enough to turn her off!
Men like confident women who are sure of themselves and who have a good attitude and are fun to hang out with. Stephanie is the opposite of this, except that she's self righteous on top of being the opposite of confident and always being negative and blaming men for everything. It's terrible, and its just horrible radio to listen to.
Let's contrast that to Julia or any of the other girls who have appeared on P&TG. Julia is fun to listen to, she is self confident and doesn't whine and bitch about everything like a naggy feminazi.
I motion for Ian to remove that garbage show from LRN and put conditions on Stephanie to not nag about stupid feminazi crap while on FTL. The more I hear Stephanie, the more I hate hearing her. At first I thought she seemed like she was a cool person who just had a few hang ups on feminism. Now she just sounds like a negative nancy who blames everything bad in the world on the male sex.
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Men like confident women who are sure of themselves and who have a good attitude and are fun to hang out with. Stephanie is the opposite of this, except that she's self righteous on top of being the opposite of confident and always being negative and blaming men for everything. It's terrible, and its just horrible radio to listen to.
I'm not sure what gives you that impression, as she usually talks about how men shouldn't be treated differently because of their sex either when she states her position (Her "I'm not a feminist, I'm an individualist-feminist" speech). And when they had that relationship abuse expert, I think they spent a good chunk of time talking about women who abuse their partners...
P.S: Stupid question: What's P&TG?
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The Buzz and Stephanie show...
Which one was that? I wanna DL.
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http://www.pukeandthegang.com/ (http://www.pukeandthegang.com/)The episode Stephanie hated is the second to latest entry, Syd.
This one. http://www.pukeandthegang.com/blog/files/podcast_19.mp3 (http://www.pukeandthegang.com/blog/files/podcast_19.mp3)
This one, Dale: http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Porc-Therapy-2011-12-02.mp3 (http://www.porctherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Porc-Therapy-2011-12-02.mp3)
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Steph just needs to get laid while shes on the rag. That'll peaceful her right down, guaranteed.
Just sayin'.
Sorry if I appear to be blunt and uncouth, but its true. Its a time-tested cure for her specific type of abrasiveness. Just ask anyone.
:P
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Men like confident women who are sure of themselves and who have a good attitude and are fun to hang out with. Stephanie is the opposite of this, except that she's self righteous on top of being the opposite of confident and always being negative and blaming men for everything. It's terrible, and its just horrible radio to listen to.
I'm not sure what gives you that impression, as she usually talks about how men shouldn't be treated differently because of their sex either when she states her position (Her "I'm not a feminist, I'm an individualist-feminist" speech). And when they had that relationship abuse expert, I think they spent a good chunk of time talking about women who abuse their partners...
P.S: Stupid question: What's P&TG?
Her attitude is that men should be lowered to equality with her, keeping in mind the Animal Farm concept that some pigs are more equal than others, of course that translates to meaning that feminazi women should be more equal than men.
Puke & The Gang. It's a pretty bad podcast but it usually cracks me up.
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I love how no one admits they listen to P&TG without some sort of disclaimer. Like admitting they watch Jersey Shore.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yashar-hedayat/a-message-to-women-from-a_1_b_958859.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yashar-hedayat/a-message-to-women-from-a_1_b_958859.html)
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Dale, thats the oldest trick in the book of men. Learned that when I was an early teen.
Mom - Mike, *sniff sniff* you smell like marijuana!!!
Me - WHAT??? Mom, you're nuts!! I've NEVER smoked weed...... I mean marijuana. You need to get your head checked out!!!
Mom - Well, maybe its just the neighbors burning leaves or something. Ok, nevermind.
Me - Yeah, ok mom. *all squinty eyed*
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
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I listened to the last Porc Therapy with Buzz and for the life of me, I can't figure out what all the outrage is about. Most everything she said in there seemed like calm, sensible opinions.
She brought up the question of why there aren't more ladies in the liberty movement. I wish you guys would realize what a great ally Stephanie can be in answering that question. I suspect liberty-oriented ladies are a bit ahead of the game in rejecting a lot of standard sexist brainwashing. I suspect most of them are turned off by misogynist behavior and maybe just don't stick around and persevere the way Stephanie has and maybe they aren't quite as good about communicating what it is. So maybe they just get discouraged and leave.
It seems like you'd rather sweep dust under the rug and not think about it but that ain't gonna get us nowhere. You guys want your libertarian boys club more than you want there to be more women here. You're gonna make your bed and lie in it.
Not everyone, of course, not by far. But those who protest the loudest, I think it would serve you well to analyze what you're really so upset about.
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Not everyone, of course, not by far. But those who protest the loudest, I think it would serve you well to analyze what you're really so upset about.
...the repeated harping...it's painfully unlistenable.
FWIW, if you asked my wife, mother and sister, they'd laugh at you if you asked whether I was a misogynist.
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Not everyone, of course, not by far. But those who protest the loudest, I think it would serve you well to analyze what you're really so upset about.
...the repeated harping...it's painfully unlistenable.
FWIW, if you asked my wife, mother and sister, they'd laugh at you if you asked whether I was a misogynist.
Yeah it hurts bad.
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I think you guys whining about Stephanie are way more annoying than listening to her on the podcasts.
If you don't like, don't listen - and enjoy being with whatever type women you enjoy being with.
Nothing wrong with her addressing crude guys for being crude.
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I think you guys whining about Stephanie are way more annoying than listening to her on the podcasts.
If you don't like, don't listen - and enjoy being with whatever type women you enjoy being with.
Nothing wrong with her addressing crude guys for being crude.
Exactly. Which is the point we are trying to make to the owners of this forum and LRN and FTL.
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Exactly. Which is the point we are trying to make to the owners of this forum and LRN and FTL.
i.e. Ian.
Well I can practically guarantee that your whining isn't going to get her kicked off of anything so I suggest you go with your other alternative and just stop listening to her shows.
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Exactly. Which is the point we are trying to make to the owners of this forum and LRN and FTL.
i.e. Ian.
Well I can practically guarantee that your whining isn't going to get her kicked off of anything so I suggest you go with your other alternative and just stop listening to her shows.
Already done. As soon as I hear that annoying voice the channel gets changed.
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...the repeated harping...it's painfully unlistenable.
To you, but it's clearly not universal. To me and certainly to many others, it sounds like she makes excellent points most of the time. When you call it harping, you're being dismissive of what she has to say as if it doesn't have a point and she's seeing problems where there are none. Obviously, that's the point of contention. I, for one, have not been convinced that's the case.
FWIW, if you asked my wife, mother and sister, they'd laugh at you if you asked whether I was a misogynist.
Look, I'm not trying to make this personal and label you or anything like that, but that's just not a persuasive point. The point is that women have been conditioned for generations to put up with bullshit from men. In particular, I would presume that if you were raised to not treat women with the greatest of respect, the women in your family were raised in the same environment and raised to put up with it. I imagine it's a pretty bizarre scenario when a women thinks her sibling or her son is a misogynist.
Essentially, if you disagree, then make an argument with respect to specific things she said instead of this endless trantrum throwing--
SHUT UP! SHUT UP! UR JUST WRAWNG!
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Guess nobody has noticed. Mark is probably too polite to mention it, but the Sunday show is growing in both stations and advertisers. As much as I like to bust on Stephanie, she and Mark are doing well. This is good for all of us. Mark would be a damn fool to get rid of her.
Besides on the last show Stephanie was the only reasonable voice on the subject of suicide. Mark must of had a cola or something.
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Mark must of had a cola or something.
LOL!
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I think you guys whining about Stephanie are way more annoying than listening to her on the podcasts.
If you don't like, don't listen - and enjoy being with whatever type women you enjoy being with.
Nothing wrong with her addressing crude guys for being crude.
So, don't read this. This is one thread on the BBS. That's a radio show, which is not about the topic.
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...the repeated harping...it's painfully unlistenable.
To you, but it's clearly not universal. To me and certainly to many others, it sounds like she makes excellent points most of the time. When you call it harping, you're being dismissive of what she has to say as if it doesn't have a point and she's seeing problems where there are none. Obviously, that's the point of contention. I, for one, have not been convinced that's the case.
FWIW, if you asked my wife, mother and sister, they'd laugh at you if you asked whether I was a misogynist.
Look, I'm not trying to make this personal and label you or anything like that, but that's just not a persuasive point. The point is that women have been conditioned for generations to put up with bullshit from men. In particular, I would presume that if you were raised to not treat women with the greatest of respect, the women in your family were raised in the same environment and raised to put up with it. I imagine it's a pretty bizarre scenario when a women thinks her sibling or her son is a misogynist.
Essentially, if you disagree, then make an argument with respect to specific things she said instead of this endless trantrum throwing--
SHUT UP! SHUT UP! UR JUST WRAWNG!
When I call it harping, it means I've heard it too fucking many times already. Once was enough. Maybe in another three or four months, someone who hasn't heard it might be reached. Every. Fucking. Week. Is. Too. Much.
This thing about how women put up with bullshit is key too. We ALL put up with bullshit. The idea that it's women putting up with the bullshit is itself collectivist bullshit. The funny thing is I don't disagree with the message--it just gets tiring. At least bring up the myriad of other ways people are treated differently, in a way that's unwanted, because they're different in some way. If Ian talked about how he was unappreciated as a scrawny guy every time he is on, I'd get tired of that too. Mark and Ian have topics they don't like to hear, like abortion. Someone brings up abortion and it's the whole fucking show--and it happens regularly. Well, every show Stephanie's on is about feminism.
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
Huh. Thought I might be alone on this.
I have nothing personal against Stephanie. But this past Sunday, I looked at the topics list for the podcast, kinda sighed, and decided to just not listen. Eventually I suspect I may just stop checking the Sunday show all together.
Fact is, when Stephanie is on, the show tends to take on a certain tone. One that is NOT brought about by any of the other female hosts. I think "harping," as someone else mentioned, is the closest to how I could describe it.
It's sort of how everytime a caller mentions drugs, I just know Ian is going to spend several seconds on a defense of pot. Sometimes its a bit too long, or out of place, or just annoying in the context of the call... I roll my eyes and just wait for the moment to pass.
Stephanie has the same fixation/passion/pet issue/whatever with feminist issues. The thing is, where it can be demonstrated that, like it or not, the drug issue has a pro-liberty side, and Ian is consistently on it, Stephanie's feminism doesn't. It usually just seems to be her personal preferences spun to somehow be an important issue for the liberty movement (we get it, you don't like "girl." Don't know how the boys have been allowed to get away with that for so long.)
Moreover, much of the time Stephanie's perspective seems clearly skewed, even biased, sometimes to the point where I don't even think she's being intellectually honest anymore. There was a recent Sunday show where a guest was on who talked about, IIRC, domestic violence toward men. I understand many people are unaware of the facts about it. But I seem to recall that at a couple of points Stephanie seemed to take offense to some of the stats, or verbiage, or something, as if she wanted to argue with the guest. As if the guest (female) was attacking women simply by pointing out facts very similar to the ones Stephanie likes to focus on.
tl;dr - Stephanie's feminist fixation is much worse, less relevant, and far more annoying than Ian's drug fixation, to the point I just get tired of listening to the Sunday show. Just my two cents.
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I listened to the last Porc Therapy with Buzz and for the life of me, I can't figure out what all the outrage is about. Most everything she said in there seemed like calm, sensible opinions.
She brought up the question of why there aren't more ladies in the liberty movement. I wish you guys would realize what a great ally Stephanie can be in answering that question.
This.
I mean, the closest I've ever come to being annoyed by Stephanie's points is when they were talking about the "girl" thing. But on the other hand, I can't make a universal rule. I'm black, and there are ways I don't like hearing black people being talked about, even if the ppl aren't talking about me specifically. So I kinda get where she's coming from in that regard...
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
Huh. Thought I might be alone on this.
I have nothing personal against Stephanie. But this past Sunday, I looked at the topics list for the podcast, kinda sighed, and decided to just not listen. Eventually I suspect I may just stop checking the Sunday show all together.
You're certainly not alone on this. I usually fast-forward through most of the Sunday shows now because I don't want to hear Stephanie's constant insistence that various things are gender issues, or the phony "I'm sorry(s)" that she throws out every time someone mentions that they have parents (I'm exaggerating), and that because she was a kid; she knows what it's like to be a parent, etc. I still generally download the Sunday show - but I've started replacing my Monday-morning podcast with Marc Stevens & Dan Carlin.
Stephanie really stepped in it the first time (that I noticed) when Nemmy called in about a month or two ago, when Nemmy described her father's attempt to ostracize her, rather than beat her, because she didn't stand for the pledge in school - Stephanie derailed the normally-principled Dale and they both proceeded to talk about what an affront to individuality it was to be ostracized - WHAT?!?!? Don't non-violent people generally recognize ostracism as an acceptable behavioral modification option? At that point it became clear to me that there is absolutely nothing any parent anywhere could ever do for a child that Stephanie wouldn't claim is abusive.
I love free talk live because as a non-religious conservative, I never fit in with anyone and I spent many years wondering why everyone else was so damn crazy, and free talk live presented thoughtful, principled, intelligent people from various walks of life who frequently discussed topics of interest to me from reasonable perspectives - it was amazing & is why I am a consistent podcast listener. Stephanie breaks that paradigm for me, she introduces what feels like thoughtless, emotional grand-standing bereft of principle. She'd be a great occasional caller - but as a talk-show personality, she's really going to have to get in touch with her own gender and parent issues if she doesn't want to sound like a typical pseudo-intellectual hysterical feminist. I'm not calling her any of these things - I said "feels like" and "sounds like." I feel bad for writing so harshly, but...I'm just going to have to live with the fact that I'm a jerk sometimes and Stephanie really pushes my buttons.
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Libertarian Feminism is Superior to Liberal Feminism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25-ZVYbNK7I#ws)
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...the repeated harping...it's painfully unlistenable.
To you, but it's clearly not universal. To me and certainly to many others, it sounds like she makes excellent points most of the time. When you call it harping, you're being dismissive of what she has to say as if it doesn't have a point and she's seeing problems where there are none. Obviously, that's the point of contention. I, for one, have not been convinced that's the case.
FWIW, if you asked my wife, mother and sister, they'd laugh at you if you asked whether I was a misogynist.
Look, I'm not trying to make this personal and label you or anything like that, but that's just not a persuasive point. The point is that women have been conditioned for generations to put up with bullshit from men. In particular, I would presume that if you were raised to not treat women with the greatest of respect, the women in your family were raised in the same environment and raised to put up with it. I imagine it's a pretty bizarre scenario when a women thinks her sibling or her son is a misogynist.
Essentially, if you disagree, then make an argument with respect to specific things she said instead of this endless trantrum throwing--
SHUT UP! SHUT UP! UR JUST WRAWNG!
When I call it harping, it means I've heard it too fucking many times already. Once was enough. Maybe in another three or four months, someone who hasn't heard it might be reached. Every. Fucking. Week. Is. Too. Much.
This thing about how women put up with bullshit is key too. We ALL put up with bullshit. The idea that it's women putting up with the bullshit is itself collectivist bullshit. The funny thing is I don't disagree with the message--it just gets tiring. At least bring up the myriad of other ways people are treated differently, in a way that's unwanted, because they're different in some way. If Ian talked about how he was unappreciated as a scrawny guy every time he is on, I'd get tired of that too. Mark and Ian have topics they don't like to hear, like abortion. Someone brings up abortion and it's the whole fucking show--and it happens regularly. Well, every show Stephanie's on is about feminism.
You hit it Kenneth - I agree with you the way you posted your thoughts.
Bob Marley So Jah Say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16jJnCgrXfo#)
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ElGuapo, you really hit the nail on the head. I wish I could articulate my feelings on the matter that well.
(Good choice on Dan Carlin by the way, I'm also a fan)
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
Huh. Thought I might be alone on this.
I have nothing personal against Stephanie. But this past Sunday, I looked at the topics list for the podcast, kinda sighed, and decided to just not listen. Eventually I suspect I may just stop checking the Sunday show all together.
You're certainly not alone on this. I usually fast-forward through most of the Sunday shows now because I don't want to hear Stephanie's constant insistence that various things are gender issues, or the phony "I'm sorry(s)" that she throws out every time someone mentions that they have parents (I'm exaggerating), and that because she was a kid; she knows what it's like to be a parent, etc. I still generally download the Sunday show - but I've started replacing my Monday-morning podcast with Marc Stevens & Dan Carlin.
Stephanie really stepped in it the first time (that I noticed) when Nemmy called in about a month or two ago, when Nemmy described her father's attempt to ostracize her, rather than beat her, because she didn't stand for the pledge in school - Stephanie derailed the normally-principled Dale and they both proceeded to talk about what an affront to individuality it was to be ostracized - WHAT?!?!? Don't non-violent people generally recognize ostracism as an acceptable behavioral modification option? At that point it became clear to me that there is absolutely nothing any parent anywhere could ever do for a child that Stephanie wouldn't claim is abusive.
I love free talk live because as a non-religious conservative, I never fit in with anyone and I spent many years wondering why everyone else was so damn crazy, and free talk live presented thoughtful, principled, intelligent people from various walks of life who frequently discussed topics of interest to me from reasonable perspectives - it was amazing & is why I am a consistent podcast listener. Stephanie breaks that paradigm for me, she introduces what feels like thoughtless, emotional grand-standing bereft of principle. She'd be a great occasional caller - but as a talk-show personality, she's really going to have to get in touch with her own gender and parent issues if she doesn't want to sound like a typical pseudo-intellectual hysterical feminist. I'm not calling her any of these things - I said "feels like" and "sounds like." I feel bad for writing so harshly, but...I'm just going to have to live with the fact that I'm a jerk sometimes and Stephanie really pushes my buttons.
I can't quite figure out why Stephanie irritates so many others but not me - I'm thinking it must be my mother.
When I was in my teens, it was black guys that were the most adamant to not have anyone ever call them "boy". \
Is it different now with calling women "girls"?
She sounds smart to me and I don't get irritated at all by her. Hell, Ian can get alot more annoying to me. I mean every problem has ta hammer (no state) and it gets to me sometimes.
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Jimi Hendrix If 6 Was 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8BBipmqKxg#)
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
Huh. Thought I might be alone on this.
I have nothing personal against Stephanie. But this past Sunday, I looked at the topics list for the podcast, kinda sighed, and decided to just not listen. Eventually I suspect I may just stop checking the Sunday show all together.
You're certainly not alone on this. I usually fast-forward through most of the Sunday shows now because I don't want to hear Stephanie's constant insistence that various things are gender issues, or the phony "I'm sorry(s)" that she throws out every time someone mentions that they have parents (I'm exaggerating), and that because she was a kid; she knows what it's like to be a parent, etc. I still generally download the Sunday show - but I've started replacing my Monday-morning podcast with Marc Stevens & Dan Carlin.
Stephanie really stepped in it the first time (that I noticed) when Nemmy called in about a month or two ago, when Nemmy described her father's attempt to ostracize her, rather than beat her, because she didn't stand for the pledge in school - Stephanie derailed the normally-principled Dale and they both proceeded to talk about what an affront to individuality it was to be ostracized - WHAT?!?!? Don't non-violent people generally recognize ostracism as an acceptable behavioral modification option? At that point it became clear to me that there is absolutely nothing any parent anywhere could ever do for a child that Stephanie wouldn't claim is abusive.
I love free talk live because as a non-religious conservative, I never fit in with anyone and I spent many years wondering why everyone else was so damn crazy, and free talk live presented thoughtful, principled, intelligent people from various walks of life who frequently discussed topics of interest to me from reasonable perspectives - it was amazing & is why I am a consistent podcast listener. Stephanie breaks that paradigm for me, she introduces what feels like thoughtless, emotional grand-standing bereft of principle. She'd be a great occasional caller - but as a talk-show personality, she's really going to have to get in touch with her own gender and parent issues if she doesn't want to sound like a typical pseudo-intellectual hysterical feminist. I'm not calling her any of these things - I said "feels like" and "sounds like." I feel bad for writing so harshly, but...I'm just going to have to live with the fact that I'm a jerk sometimes and Stephanie really pushes my buttons.
I can't quite figure out why Stephanie irritates so many others but not me - I'm thinking it must be my mother.
When I was in my teens, it was black guys that were the most adamant to not have anyone ever call them "boy". \
Is it different now with calling women "girls"?
She sounds smart to me and I don't get irritated at all by her. Hell, Ian can get alot more annoying to me. I mean every problem has ta hammer (no state) and it gets to me sometimes.
Oh don't get me started on Ian. I'm glad Mark has redoubled his efforts in calling Ian out for his horsepoo.
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I don't listen to Porc Therapy, but I for one enjoy Stephanie's sensitivity to gender issues when she's on FTL. Sometimes she goes overboard but that's pretty rare in my opinion, and it's no different from how other hosts go overboard sometimes about their pet issues. That sensitivity goes both ways, too -- I've heard her bring up misandry more often than anyone else does.
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Libertarian Feminism is Superior to Liberal Feminism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25-ZVYbNK7I#ws)
Well, that kinda struck a nerve.
This right here is an example of what I'm talking about, and why Stephanie annoys me.
Let's jump to the conclusion of this vid. Despite the warm, fuzzy, we-can-all-agree-with-this last line in the clip, it's the second-to-last line that deserves scrutiny. Right after trying to soften the blow by acknowledging women have some blame in the abuses by the state, the primary conclusion of this entire clip is distilled down to:
Let's be brutally honest, when it comes to the destruction of liberty, it's the men who lead the way.
I already know some here don't see the problem with this concluding statement. After all, it's technically true, right? Well, let's alter it a bit:
Let's be brutally honest, when it comes to imperialism, it's the whites who lead the way.
That time you noticed it, right? (If you didn't, well, just save time and stop reading, because I'm not sure how to get the point across.)
While both statements may be technically true, the question is, why bother stating it? In particular, with the video above, what's the implication that makes such a "Captain Obvious" statement the summary conclusion of a several-minute Youtube clip?
I think there are two implications. (1) Women are superior to men, at least as regards liberty, and (2) well, we should be thankful that at least they're not liberal feminists, because libertarian feminists are much better.
I think both of these implications are loads of crap.
(1) Women aren't superior. Isn't it a feminist belief that the sexes are equal? Well, in my experience, this is the proclamation of the more reasonable feminist, but the truth is, it's in subtle instances like the above that the actual truth of their thinking is revealed.
Here's some brutal honesty: people in general have tended toward tyranny through the ages. The only reason women haven't been dishing out as much as the men is because of the very physical disadvantage mentioned. Had there been physical parity, or physical dominance on the part of women, there's no doubt in my mind history would not have been significantly different.
Men's primary participation in tyranny through the past has been due to nothing other than circumstance, so why one would focus on it as if there's something that needs to be fixed BEYOND true freedom and equality strikes me as suspect. This is where I begin to question someone's intellectual honesty.
(2) False dichotomy. Let's presume that libertarian feminism is better than liberal feminism. I'd normally argue otherwise, because the former is simply more subtle and, IMHO, more effective at actually inculcating the errors of feminism (see (1), above) into society. But again, let's presume the former is better.
Why are these the only two options? Are we supposed to just accept that feminism is here, good or not, and that we should just grin and bear the libertarian form because it's more palatable? That's certainly the implication of the very title of the video. Again, that implication is crap.
Big Guy (to a crowd of men): Look fellas, we know you don't like feminism.
Crowd of Men: *groans all around*
Big Guy: But hey, at least these are libertarian feminists
Crowd of Men: *murmurs*
Male Voice #1 (from the crowd): They don't get in our face and yell a lot, do they?
Big Guy: No, they don't, and we need to be thankful for that. Remember, they've been through a lot, and so we need to be sensitive and allow it to happen if it does. But at least the libertarians do a lot less of it.
Male Voice #2 (from the crowd): But I thought we were supposed to be equal.
Big Guy (shrugging): Yeah, we are.
Male Voice #2: Then how come we need to let any of them yell at us, but we can't yell back?
Crowd of Men: *more murmuring*
Big Guy (nervous): Look fellas, look, that's just the way it is. No point in getting upset, it's not gonna change. Might as well go with the flow and take the better deal.
Male Voice #3: But if we're equal, then we're equal, right?!
Crowd of Men: *louder murmurs*
Big Guy (now angry): Alright boys, you still aren't getting it.
*Big Guy throws on movie projector.*
*Hour-long video detailing the abuses of women by men through the ages plays.*
*Graphic scenes shock men.*
*Vicarious guilt is distributed.*
*Big Guy turns the lights back on.*
Big Guy: Any questions?
Crowd of Men (heads hung low): *murmurs of "No"*
Big Guy: Good. Now, go out there and spread the message of liberty!
tl;dr - Libertarian feminism isn't better than liberal feminism. Both just peddle a hypocritical perspective that doesn't advance liberty any more than actually promoting equality.
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I gave no opinion about that video. Looks like I kind of agree with Wayne, who (if one looks at the Youtube comments) kind of agrees with Stephan Molyneux.
Doesn't matter really, simple fact is, we need the chicks. Culture goes where the hot chicks are going. Period.
I notice no other women are exactly jumping on board to defend Stephanie. I think her point is that we guys need to learn how not to creep girls out, and it is a valid point. However Stephanie should learn something herself; Men would rather be know as a jerk than a creeper. Shouldn't women be a little careful about accusing men of creeping on them?
I think Stephanie will be a necessary balancing point on LRN as the Angel Clark show becomes more known. If we somehow get Sex, Lies, and Anarchy on LRN as well, Stephanie will be one female voice among many, and her harping (If you want to call it that, I mean come on, that P&TG episode was pretty harsh) won't really be noticeable.
Note: I haven't heard every episode of Sex, Lies and Anarchy, but they defend men in general quite a bit, and their "lesbian" kidding around is kind of cute and funny. Point is I never feel offended at all, nor do they come off as arrogant or know-it-all or unapproachable. That Angel Clark show is just good, sounds mainstream.
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I asked a woman who was lying in my bed the other day if she got offended if someone referred to her as a girl. "No."
And she's 25.
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I notice no other women are exactly jumping on board to defend Stephanie. I think her point is that we guys need to learn how not to creep girls out, and it is a valid point.
I think it's fair to say that *actual* creepers can't learn to adjust their behavior. They usually seem to be people with a bad case of Aspergers or mild autism who think what they're doing is normal.
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I gave no opinion about that video. Looks like I kind of agree with Wayne, who (if one looks at the Youtube comments) kind of agrees with Stephan Molyneux.
Doesn't matter really, simple fact is, we need the chicks. Culture goes where the hot chicks are going. Period.
I notice no other women are exactly jumping on board to defend Stephanie. I think her point is that we guys need to learn how not to creep girls out, and it is a valid point. However Stephanie should learn something herself; Men would rather be know as a jerk than a creeper. Shouldn't women be a little careful about accusing men of creeping on them?
I think Stephanie will be a necessary balancing point on LRN as the Angel Clark show becomes more known. If we somehow get Sex, Lies, and Anarchy on LRN as well, Stephanie will be one female voice among many, and her harping (If you want to call it that, I mean come on, that P&TG episode was pretty harsh) won't really be noticeable.
Note: I haven't heard every episode of Sex, Lies and Anarchy, but they defend men in general quite a bit, and their "lesbian" kidding around is kind of cute and funny. Point is I never feel offended at all, nor do they come off as arrogant or know-it-all or unapproachable. That Angel Clark show is just good, sounds mainstream.
Well, just on the chance I gave that impression, my rant wasn't directed at you. It was just directed at the insinuations of the video that I found irksome.
Here's hoping, probably in vain, that tonight's broadcast doesn't continue the trend.
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I asked a woman who was lying in my bed the other day if she got offended if someone referred to her as a girl. "No."
And she's 25.
Well... congrats.
I guess. Hope you made her a healthy balanced breakfast.
I notice no other women are exactly jumping on board to defend Stephanie. I think her point is that we guys need to learn how not to creep girls out, and it is a valid point.
I think it's fair to say that *actual* creepers can't learn to adjust their behavior. They usually seem to be people with a bad case of Aspergers or mild autism who think what they're doing is normal.
Could be. I would argue that one of the positive things Stephanie is trying to do, is get men to adjust their behaviour. I am merely suggesting she try a little more honey instead of vinegar. I do listen to Porc therapy, Stephanie is smart, and interesting, and I think stuff like Fr33 aid is wonderful. You would think that Stephanie would look at this thread as constructive criticism, but I recon that isn't so easy at this point.
Wayne, I posted that video to get other opinions. I appreciate the input. I kind of had uneasy feelings about it myself.
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one of the positive things Stephanie is trying to do, is get men to adjust their behaviour.
GLWT.
Also... nice tits.
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one of the positive things Stephanie is trying to do, is get men to adjust their behaviour.
GLWT.
Also... nice tits.
I never really noticed before.
I may just have to re-evaluate my opinion of her, based on this new info.
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one of the positive things Stephanie is trying to do, is get men to adjust their behaviour.
GLWT.
Also... nice tits.
I never really noticed before.
I may just have to re-evaluate my opinion of her, based on this new info.
Pics or it didn't happen.
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Yeah, what he said.
8X10 glossies in B&W, if you could.
Thank you.
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I asked a woman who was lying in my bed the other day if she got offended if someone referred to her as a girl. "No."
And she's 25.
Well... congrats.
I guess. Hope you made her a healthy balanced breakfast.
No. I got takeout, philly cheesesteak and fries.
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Fries? I thought you were doing that low carb thing.
What the FUCK does GLWT mean???? I don't know whether to high five Denis or yell at him.
I think it is awesome if he tapped Stephanie, not so much if he thinks I have nice tits.
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Fries? I thought you were doing that low carb thing.
What the FUCK does GLWT mean???? I don't know whether to high five Denis or yell at him.
I think it is awesome if he tapped Stephanie, not so much if he thinks I have nice tits.
GLWT means Good Looking White Titties, or in this case, Good Luck With That.
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I'm on low-carb, I just decided to have a cheat weekend.
I'm already back on it, with poached eggs and a cup of hollandaise.
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Fries? I thought you were doing that low carb thing.
What the FUCK does GLWT mean???? I don't know whether to high five Denis or yell at him.
I think it is awesome if he tapped Stephanie, not so much if he thinks I have nice tits.
GLWT means Good Looking White Titties, or in this case, Good Luck With That.
Ah ha. Now I feel like kind of a douchebag. :?
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I can't believe everyone seemed to have missed the joke....the irony...about...changing...mens'...rude...habits...
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I can't believe everyone seemed to have missed the joke....the irony...about...changing...mens'...rude...habits...
No, I got it. The hypocracy of the statement didn't get lost on me.
Its just............... titties were mentioned and I got distracted.
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I've decided to listen to every episode of Free Talk Live a week, except Sunday.
Mr. Edge, consider another host or go back to the guest show format.
Huh. Thought I might be alone on this.
I have nothing personal against Stephanie. But this past Sunday, I looked at the topics list for the podcast, kinda sighed, and decided to just not listen. Eventually I suspect I may just stop checking the Sunday show all together.
You're [...]buttons.
I can't quite figure out why Stephanie irritates so many others but not me - I'm thinking it must be my mother.
When I was in my teens, it was black guys that were the most adamant to not have anyone ever call them "boy". \
Is it different now with calling women "girls"?
She sounds smart to me and I don't get irritated at all by her. Hell, Ian can get alot more annoying to me. I mean every problem has ta hammer (no state) and it gets to me sometimes.
Fred,
I have long understood that words are simply human constructs employed to convey thoughts and ideas to other humans - and sometimes animals. The words themselves have no meaning beyond the messages they are used to convey. I don't care if it's the "N word" or the "F word" or whatever - the word is innocent & it is only the intention of the speaker/writer that matter. When black guys rail against the word "boy" or Stephanie against "girl" when used in other-than-offensive context (I know, who gets to decide, right?), it has nothing to do with the word or the intention of it's user, it's just an opportunity to hop on top of a little soap box and try to browbeat - it's a power-play, and if you let the person get away with it once, they'll keep doing it again and again because it makes them feel powerful. Mark will call Ian to the carpet when he does it, but he frequently lets Stephanie slide...I don't get it.
Ian is irritating at times too - he's a huge bigot (a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own) though he seems to think he's got an open mind or is a good listener. Cannabis is a legitimate topic, but where's the 420 coke snort or heroin shoot? Weed just isn't that interesting - prohibition is evil, but cannabis talk just makes for boring talk radio. His smarmy jackass routine is fun to listen to, but it's hard to believe that anyone is so dense that they could have a business partner for so many years and still be so frequently incapable of understanding his words.
this post is so 10 minutes ago...I'm bored of it now.
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Mark's a gentleman. Stephanie isn't so bad - she isn't threatening or anything - just tell her to cool it if she annoys you.
I'd like a bump if ya got it...
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Mark's a gentleman.
Not when he's talking about Ian. :(
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^nice one, and true.
Back to more of the subject of this thread; I refer to my girlfriend as "my woman". As in possessive. I began doing this because back when we first started dating I didnt, and I was more free with this possession. People tried to get her to cheat on me, groped her, and such. So now I maintain my dominance over her nice body, and since then people treat her with respect and watch their boundaries.
Does that make me sexist?
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Does that make me sexist?
The thought alone probably makes most women wet.
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Would Stephanie be happy if all men acted like these Manginas? Cause this is the result when all PC agendas are complete. Even worse than the poet shirt wearing NIN listening sensitive guys of the 90's were.
Dear Woman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw#ws)
I tuned in to have a listen and wasn't surprised to hear more collectivizing of white males. If I recall correctly, Stephanie's questions to Mark were "Have you noticed most people in the liberty movement are male?" followed by "Have you noticed that they are white?".
Uuhh.. yes & yes.
On behalf of my gender and color, you're welcome.
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That video is like a white person today apologizing to black people for slavery.
You didn't do that shit. Don't apologize it, just start treating people like people. Christ.
I love chicks.
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Dear Woman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw#ws)
GHEY!
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Does that make me sexist?
The thought alone probably makes most women wet.
Thank you.
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what women say they want, and what they really want are usually two very different things. How many women say they want a nice guy that will treat them right and hold them in admiration and all that other flowery shit? a lot. An interesting dichotomy forms when those same women keep choosing to date assholes who treat them poorly. But that should be their choice, right? Why does this free market keep rewarding this behavior? Maybe its not because they want a feminized hand-holding bitch afterall. I've noticed the influx of "conscious women" the liberty movement attracts may skew this slightly, but underneath it all they still just want to get railed by a boss pimp. I'm not saying one has to be jerk to give women what they want, but there obviously are qualities that jerks have that women find appealing. So tell stephanie that these "bad men" are just suppling what the market demands. thats all.
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Evidentally the terrorist who killed those kids in Norway couldn't get laid in a morgue before. Now he is accosted with bags of love letters and marriage proposals from a lot of quite pretty women.
In my younger more violent days I got practically raped by women who wouldn't have given me the time of day if they hadn't seen me beat someone up.
The example that freaked me the most out:
I was on a camping trip with my son who was a baby, and wife- not to long before my divorce IE the fire was definetally gone.
Anyway my son was having one of his tantrums from being too tired and I worked for two hours in awful frustration trying to get him to sleep in the camper. I need to say I was already at my limit to losing it when he finally slept. Right after words some nearby drunken boys (around 20 I guess) turned up their stereo to concert levels. Out I went, and to be honest, I wasn't the good guy here I just started to kick their ass. The situation dissipated, luckily the crowd was on my side and they whisked me out of there before the guards arrived.
Anyway right afterword my super frigged wife bent over and dropped her pants, and was soaking wet, demanding cock.
A lot of women like violent assholes, and I am willing to bet almost all have some sort of cavegirl attraction to them. I think this is unfortunate. The closest I have seen of liberty women addressing this issue at all is Sex Lies and Anarchy, because Candy kind of admits she is attracted to serial killers. But I would really like to see a case study of this phenomenon. I think most feminists don't even admit it is real.
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I'm not saying one has to be jerk to give women what they want, but there obviously are qualities that jerks have that women find appealing.
Those women have self-esteem issues, to say the least, and that's probably from growing up in a misogynist environment. I bet someone told them as a girl, when a boy was picking on them, "That means he LIKES you" to make them feel better. The implication of that tactic for soothing a little girl is that's what really matters most, is for men to like them.
That's not just a women thing, of course. People who have to prove something to themselves will often not respond to someone who shows immediate and genuine interest. They have to have the challenge. They need EVERYONE to like them before they can feel good about themselves. They will go after the person who treats them like shit and try to change them, but mostly they are trying to change themselves to fit what they think is more likable.
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I think it is that instinctual attraction for the alpha.
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I've known a bunch of males who constantly end up dating very controlling, selfish, super dominant women. They would do it over and over and over.
Does that mean that they grew up in a misandrous environment?
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That was probably all they could get. Docile, kind, and considerate women died out in the fifties. There is a trade off, they shave and take it up the ass these days, so that is at least something.
Anarchir is probably on to something.
If some gal wants to chime in about this alpha male thing, I believe Ayn Rand is a part of the problem too. At least my take of her, she seemed to think that a chick should always go with the most alpha she could nail down no matter who or what obligations and responsibilities she had before. Doesn't address the women liking scum thing, but still another point.
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Does that mean that they grew up in a misandrous environment?
I'm not going to over simplify, but that's a possibility. Or maybe that's how their mom's were. Maybe they have self esteem issues and feel they can't do any better. Maybe they crave attn, even negative attn. They almost certainly have some kind of self esteem issues that are probably rooted in an abusive environment.
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Excitement and unpredictability!
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You may be on to something there. You would think most women would only need to travel that road once though.
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Does that mean that they grew up in a misandrous environment?
I'm not going to over simplify, but that's a possibility. Or maybe that's how their mom's were. Maybe they have self esteem issues and feel they can't do any better. Maybe they crave attn, even negative attn. They almost certainly have some kind of self esteem issues that is probably rooted in an abusive environment.
Does that mean that they grew up in a misandrous environment?
I'm not going to over simplify, but that's a possibility. Or maybe that's how their mom's were. Maybe they have self esteem issues and feel they can't do any better. Maybe they crave attn, even negative attn. They almost certainly have some kind of self esteem issues that is probably rooted in an abusive environment.
Come to think of it. One of my buddies, who constantly dated controlling women, eventually found a beautiful, qausi-smart, fun, and very non-controlling girl. Shit, she was even from a rich family. What did he do when he found himself in a relationship where he wasn't being bossed around by a super bitch? He dumped her and quickly found a new drill sergeant.
I don't think he was raised in this manner, though. His parents seem to have a perfect, healthy relationship and his siblings don't behave like him either. Who the fuck knows why people do the things they do? Maybe he got some weird genes? I don't know.
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She probably didn't shave or take it in the ass.
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You can add me to the list of people who stopped listening to the Sunday show.
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I didn't know they had a sunday show.
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http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg)
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http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg)
Hilariously true.
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Hilariously true.
+2.
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http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg)
Hilariously true.
I support this message. It cuts right through the bullshit, doesn't it?
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Me too. I have to say though, few can give that woman much of a contest in brass balls.
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http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/sVKCr.jpg)
It's kind of ridiculous that because a woman isn't a super-activist the implication is that her opinions about being treated badly can be dismissed. So no, I don't actually think it's cutting through any bullshit. I think the bullshit is still fairly thick in here.
It reminds me of when some gay guys wanted to have some say about who they were roomed with in dorms because they were frequently stuck in a tight space with bigot assholes. The argument was made that they should instead take the opportunity to educate bigots about homosexuality. An excellent response was "I'm not an activist. I don't want to be an activist. Not every gay person wants to be one. I'm trying to focus on getting an education."
I keep finding myself listening to podcasts that I wouldn't otherwise have listened to because someone mentioned here how obnoxious Stephanie was, or how obsessive she was on a certain subject, and I have yet to feel it. Yeah, she's a bit knee-jerk about some things that seem minor now and then but I just... don't... get... the RAGING.
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http://kotaku.com/5868595/nerds-and-male-privilege (http://kotaku.com/5868595/nerds-and-male-privilege)
Geek society prides itself on being explicitly counter-culture; nerds will crow about how, as a society, they're better than the others who exclude them. They'll insist that they're more egalitarian; geeks hold tight to the belief that geek culture is a meritocracy, where concepts of agism, sexism and racism simply don't exist the way it does elsewhere. And yet, even a cursory examination will demonstrate that this isn't true.
And yet geeks will cling to this illusion while simultaneously refusing to address the matters that make it so unattractive to women and minorities. They will insist that they treat women exactly the same as they treat guys – all the while ignoring the fact that their behavior is what's making the women uncomfortable and feeling unwelcome in the first place. They will find one girl in their immediate community who will say that she's not offended and use her as the "proof" that nobody else is allowed to be offended.
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I keep finding myself listening to podcasts that I wouldn't otherwise have listened to because someone mentioned here how obnoxious Stephanie was, or how obsessive she was on a certain subject, and I have yet to feel it. Yeah, she's a bit knee-jerk about some things that seem minor now and then but I just... don't... get... the RAGING.
Whos raging?
Im not. I just think she comes off annoying with her infatuation with semantics. Not much fun to listen to her when she goes on those little tirades, just like Ian with his nitpicking of the use of the word "we". Thats just me though. I wouldn't even suggest they change. If thats how they wanna be, thats fine. Just dont expect me to like it.
This is the "Less Stephanie, please" thread, so of course its gonna seem like everyone is making a huge deal out of it. If this kind of talk about her carried over into other threads, yeah, I'd agree it would be raging, but this thread is made for this stuff.
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You might have to like girls in order to understand the rage, Dale.
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Wait
Dale doesn't like girls?
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It's kind of ridiculous that because a woman isn't a super-activist the implication is that her opinions about being treated badly can be dismissed. So no, I don't actually think it's cutting through any bullshit. I think the bullshit is still fairly thick in here.
It reminds me of when some gay guys wanted to have some say about who they were roomed with in dorms because they were frequently stuck in a tight space with bigot assholes. The argument was made that they should instead take the opportunity to educate bigots about homosexuality. An excellent response was "I'm not an activist. I don't want to be an activist. Not every gay person wants to be one. I'm trying to focus on getting an education."
I keep finding myself listening to podcasts that I wouldn't otherwise have listened to because someone mentioned here how obnoxious Stephanie was, or how obsessive she was on a certain subject, and I have yet to feel it. Yeah, she's a bit knee-jerk about some things that seem minor now and then but I just... don't... get... the RAGING.
In case you missed it, the issue was that woman A really had something to be pissed about and woman B was a whiner, much like Stephanie. You can call pointing that out "raging" if you want, but I think that's bullshit too.
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Stephanie must check this woman out. She is great. http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u)
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Stephanie must check this woman out. She is great. http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u)
Damn that woman is smart.
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The truth about women abusing men (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbPmdePpfG0#)
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Stephanie must check this woman out. She is great. http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat#g/u)
I liked what she had to say. I can't recall if she's also the one who said "feminism" is a bad word to use when what you're really talking about is gender disparity, which goes both ways on different issues. I might call into Stephanie's show to talk about it.
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The truth about women abusing men (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbPmdePpfG0#)
The double-standard addressed in that video is real but I don't think they exactly handled it very objectively. The very short clip of the man attacking the woman showed him grabbing her by the throat and her looking terrified for her life. I just see the woman kind of slapping the man and he seems bored and not threatened at all. I think if they'd tried harder to make the situations comparable, we still would have seen the disparity they're talking about but it might not have made for as dramatic of a contrast as they had hoped for for a good show.
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A long time ago I shared a duplex with a couple next door. They argued often but one night I heard a lot of banging & crashing.. so I called the guy and asked him to come out and have a smoke with me. Once outside he cooled off a bit and I told him I hoped he hadn't been smackin his ol lady around.... turned out the smacks I'd heard were her hitting him.
The people in the video all laughed and said they figured the guy had cheated on the lady. Does that mean it's OK for a woman to be beaten if she cheats? Cause ladies cheatin is pretty ordinary these days.
Also, I laughed at the guy getting hit on the bench. Not so much at the gender violence but because the actors looked perfect for the part.. Geek vs. Fire-Womyn.
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If I would've seen that chick smacking that dude on the park bench, I would just keep walking too. I figure if he's stupid enough to sit there and take it, he doesn't deserve my intervention.
I would feel the same way if the roles were reversed.
Now if the victim was trying to flee the situation, thats a different story.
I couldn't care less about some "stockholm syndrome" bullshit excuse either. Thats your own weird thing. Deal with it, or suffer.
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oops
typo
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In this episode of Porc Therapy Stephanie and Dale discuss BDSM in a extra end thingy. I think they come off as collectivising and judgmental.
My take:
1. A perceived kink doesn't indicate childhood trauma every time.
2. It doesn't indicate some deep, need-to-be-solved problem either.
If you listen to that, listen to this afterwords it will make you feel better.
http://static.sexliesandanarchy.com/shows/SLA_Episode_031_theGang.mp3 (http://static.sexliesandanarchy.com/shows/SLA_Episode_031_theGang.mp3)
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So has Stephanie or FTL responded to market demands?
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No. Mark doesn't love you. He just wants you to listen to his ads and give him money.
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No. Mark doesn't love you. He just wants you to listen to his ads and give him money.
Yeah, right.
I suppose you're gonna say theres no Santa Claus too.
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So has Stephanie or FTL responded to market demands?
Are you confusing individuals complaining on a website with the market? What exactly are the market demands you speak of? Do you have evidence of her listenership dropping statistically? I know several people have chosen not to listen but do you know that it's statistically significant and that it hasn't been offset perhaps by gains in listeners?
That would be a market indicator.
TL:DR version: YOU are not "the market". The market is lots of people's choices en masse having a financial impact.
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So has Stephanie or FTL responded to market demands?
Are you confusing individuals complaining on a website with the market? What exactly are the market demands you speak of? Do you have evidence of her listenership dropping statistically? I know several people have chosen not to listen but do you know that it's statistically significant and that it hasn't been offset perhaps by gains in listeners?
That would be a market indicator.
TL:DR version: YOU are not "the market". The market is lots of people's choices en masse having a financial impact.
So now you are insulting me when I was simply asking if all of the Sunday show is still about her bitching and moaning about evil men.
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So now you are insulting me when I was simply asking if all of the Sunday show is still about her bitching and moaning about evil men.
Instead of pretending to be all offended, you could answer my questions--provide evidence for this claim of "market demands", thereby proving that the so-called insults are unwarranted.
What exactly are the market demands you speak of? Do you have evidence of her listenership dropping statistically? I know several people have chosen not to listen but do you know that it's statistically significant and that it hasn't been offset perhaps by gains in listeners?
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So now you are insulting me when I was simply asking if all of the Sunday show is still about her bitching and moaning about evil men.
Instead of pretending to be all offended, you could answer my questions--provide evidence for this claim of "market demands", thereby proving that the so-called insults are unwarranted.
What exactly are the market demands you speak of? Do you have evidence of her listenership dropping statistically? I know several people have chosen not to listen but do you know that it's statistically significant and that it hasn't been offset perhaps by gains in listeners?
No thanks.
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I know several people have chosen not to listen but do you know that it's statistically significant and that it hasn't been offset perhaps by gains in listeners?
My guess is that even if it could be proven without any doubt that there was a net loss in listeners, it wouldn't make a difference as far as there being more stephanie, or less stephanie on the show.
Its a hunch.
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My guess is that even if it could be proven without any doubt that there was a net loss in listeners, it wouldn't make a difference as far as there being more stephanie, or less stephanie on the show.
Ding ding ding!
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My guess is that even if it could be proven without any doubt that there was a net loss in listeners, it wouldn't make a difference as far as there being more stephanie, or less stephanie on the show.
So no evidence then. FWIW, I'm honestly curious to know but it will probably require Ian or Mark answering that question.
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My guess is that even if it could be proven without any doubt that there was a net loss in listeners, it wouldn't make a difference as far as there being more stephanie, or less stephanie on the show.
So no evidence then.
I think you misunderstand me. Im not claiming that listenership is down because of her. In fact, I think the argument can be made that it went up because of her. The same way half the people that listen to Rush Limbaugh cant stand the guy, yet cant stop listening to the train-wreck that the guy is. Im just saying that even if that WERE the case that it went down, it probably wouldn't matter anyway as far as her being given less or more time on the show.
I dont hate Steph, or even dislike her. I just find her annoying sometimes. Not annoying in a finger nails across a chalkboard kinda way, but more in a NPR chick kinda way.
Just an opinion.
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I hear you. I really do. But do you see how a couple ppl made an extraordinary claim and I keep trying to stay focused on that and how this is all kind of dodging the fact that there's nothing to back this claim up? The subject is getting changed to a bunch of other things than the extraordinary claim for which there is conveniently no evidence. It's kind of a political tactic instead of an honest discussion.
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It's kind of a political tactic instead of an honest discussion.
Well, that happens sometimes when you are dealing with passionate opinion.
Cant be helped.
Just ask Steph......... :P
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My guess is that even if it could be proven without any doubt that there was a net loss in listeners, it wouldn't make a difference as far as there being more stephanie, or less stephanie on the show.
So no evidence then. FWIW, I'm honestly curious to know but it will probably require Ian or Mark answering that question.
The confusion here may be based on the reality that QuickMike is not SamGunn.
I hear you. I really do. But do you see how a couple ppl made an extraordinary claim and I keep trying to stay focused on that and how this is all kind of dodging the fact that there's nothing to back this claim up? The subject is getting changed to a bunch of other things than the extraordinary claim for which there is conveniently no evidence. It's kind of a political tactic instead of an honest discussion.
I believe it was exactly one person who said one thing that set you off. I also suggest responding to THAT person.
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I believe it was exactly one person who said one thing that set you off. I also suggest responding to THAT person.
Nope. Ur right. I scrolled up.
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In this episode of Porc Therapy Stephanie and Dale discuss BDSM in a extra end thingy. I think they come off as collectivising and judgmental.
My take:
1. A perceived kink doesn't indicate childhood trauma every time.
2. It doesn't indicate some deep, need-to-be-solved problem either.
1. Conceded. FWIW, I believe I repeatedly pointed out that I was just contemplating things in a new light based on extensive negative personal experiences with people into BDSM and that I had not come to conclusions about it, and most certainly nothing scientific or study-related. In fact, on listening to the show afterward, it got a bit redundant. I was so eager to put disclaimers on practically everything I said about my very personal experience.
2. I honestly don't know and I said as much on the show. I just expressed myself honestly about having overwhelmingly negative anecdotal experiences that left me more guarded and, using a BDSM term, my limits shrank quite a bit as to what I'm willing to experiment with. Will they expand some day? Maybe. I'm only 43 years old. Maybe I'll have some BDSM experience (within my newly restricted limits) that feels really positive and healthy for both partners and I'll feel like pushing my boundaries outward again.
I do apologize for the extent to which I failed to convey that I'm no expert and that my personal experience should not be interpreted as any sort of universal judgment on BDSM. I'm not going to apologize for being honest about my personal experience.
I am wide open to a dialogue with people who are more experienced and have a more positive take on it. I would, however, like it to get past complaining that I don't just immediately say what people want to hear. It's like people want me to talk like an expert when I very clearly expressed right off the bat that I'm not one.
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I believe you.
For what it is worth, I don't do the BDSM stuff at all, actually said straight up "no" to some pretty hot women. Just sounded a bit weird when you guys indicated something must be wrong with many who like that sort of thing, especially when many a square would think something must have messed up someone who was gay or bi.
Living in Europe so long has made me not even blink at almost any lifestyle. Having dildo stores that resemble Kmart and TV shows that take pretty much all the mystery out of even the strangest stuff have me kind of just go "meh" to pretty much anything.
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please - stephanie is stephanie big deal. i put up with more crap from my friends fuck'
wish i could say some profound shit, but I'm not profound..............
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How do you prove that Stephanie hurts the Sunday show anyway? You could look at downloads, but then you'd have no control to compare it to.
And I also doubt that Mark would get rid of her in the case that she reduced listeners. He loves to giggle with her. Literally, they are always giggling. No, not laughing....giggling.
Anyways, Stephanie isn't unbearable. She is just very interested in certain issues and those issues seem to pop up no matter what they're talking about. I probably think they pop up more than they really do because I disagree with her. I don't see the world the way she does and thats ok.
Hey, at least she didn't say, "If a person walks into a gas station and gets shot in the head, they really wanted to get shot because the universe always gives you what you want. The universe set up a willing murderer and willing victim." Yes, I SWEAR TO GOD that a host actually said that on FTL. And it wasn't Stephanie.
Please, Dale, don't make me find the episode (02/06/2009) and write it up word for word. (I only know of this because I had some mindless tasks to do a few days ago and randomly downloaded some old shows....they were out there.)
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No need. I know what you're talking about.
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Sam.
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No need. I know what you're talking about.
I'm pretty sure you called in that night (it may have been the day before but it was about the same subject).
Mark kept asking you, "Would you rather believe that you have no control over anything or that you have absolute control over everything? Which is more empowering?" You stood your ground and refused to answer his false dichotomy.
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That was also some annoying shit.
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I'm not confident the local movement has quite fully recovered from this lapse into magical thinking.
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Damn, that sucks.
So some of the guys and gals still hold similar views?
To me, one cannot hold the view I outlined earlier and advocate the NAP. Its not that the logic itself is aggressive, its that there can be no aggression if everyone is always a willing participant in what happens. You know what I mean? The NAP would be meaningless. If all murder victims really wanted to be shot then they're not victims at all. They're willing participants. Perhaps, there is more to this type of reasoning that I don't understand, but from what was said on that show, one must conclude that "the universe" doesn't permit aggression.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think?
Yes, I believe you've successfully pointed out a serious fallacy in this line of thinking, aside from the more overtly ridiculous magical thinking aspect of it.
That said, I think there's an element of truth to it if you remove the magical thinking part and use a little discretion in how sweepingly you apply it. I do think taking responsibility for your life can empower you greatly and that, in the big scheme of things, your own choices play a tremendous role in what happens to you. Particularly, if something happens to you frequently, YOUR choices probably play a big role in that. For instance, if you see a certain person always surrounded by drama, that person is probably the source of the drama. If a woman is frequently being abused by men, then that woman is probably not partaking fully of her freedom to associate in a responsible manner (i.e. attracted to abusive partners and doesn't leave them early on when she sees warning signs before getting too entangled). If you're getting mugged frequently, maybe you're not taking sufficient precautions, maybe you're demonstrating behavior like nervousness and fearfulness that makes you an appealing target to muggers, etc.
On the other hand, if you appear to be "lucky", you could be someone with a positive attitude who is open to exploring all kinds of different choices that are outside of the rut that so many people find themselves in. Your positive attitude can expand your comfort zone. This might mean that your path crosses with all sorts of opportunities that other people miss and you're receptive to them when they occur. Things like that are totally rational explanations for how your attitude can dramatically influence your life without calling for magical thinking.
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In this episode of Porc Therapy Stephanie and Dale discuss BDSM in a extra end thingy. I think they come off as collectivising and judgmental.
My take:
1. A perceived kink doesn't indicate childhood trauma every time.
2. It doesn't indicate some deep, need-to-be-solved problem either.
Pic related. NSFW (http://i.imgur.com/JZQzU.jpg)
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That is more a Kinsey scale debate isn't it? From how I gather from gays and lesbians, the most tolerent of different kinks are straight swingers. At least they seemed the least judgmental that I have talked to. I kind of liked that photo, showed a interesting dynamic between people.
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That is more a Kinsey scale debate isn't it? From how I gather from gays and lesbians, the most tolerent of different kinks are straight swingers. At least they seemed the least judgmental that I have talked to. I kind of liked that photo, showed a interesting dynamic between people.
I don't know. A recent comment about the show mentioned that for some people, BDSM is a stronger "orientation" than their sexual orientation. In other words, it's more important to some subs that their partner be a dom than it is they match their gender preference, or vice versa. When I saw that pic, it brought that to mind.
Lotta gender-bending going on in that pic. I figure that guy might be bi. He might be str8 and likes getting dominated, so it turns him on that the woman is making him do something that is otherwise not erotic or even gross for him. He might be gay and likes sucking the dick but is turned on by the domination even though it's coming from a woman.
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I imagine they were all payed. As I understand it, a lot of porn actors are the opposite of what they play. They can act better because the whole thing has to be acting. As for the dominance thing, I have no idea how it works. My brain is quite incapable of combining sex and any kind of boss/lackey deal.
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I'd take some dominance from a hot chick that turns me on..
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You mean you would put up with it or enjoy it?
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enjoy the fuck out of it!
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Dale, I totally agree with your take on LOA. Seemed very logical.
And I'll bet Stephanie, since she is the topic of this board, would agree with you, rather than Sam. Tada! Stephanie gets two points for not thinking she is a wizard! Wait...is there a name for female wizards?
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I imagine they were all payed. As I understand it, a lot of porn actors are the opposite of what they play. They can act better because the whole thing has to be acting.
Well, I don't want to diverge into a discussion of porn actors. We'd be speculating wildly about their orientations. The point is that the image/video is supposed to turn some people on who use their imaginations and project themselves into those roles and I was talking about what it represented and how it was meant to be erotic; not the porn actors themselves.
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Wait...is there a name for female wizards?
So you're saying Stephanie's not a witch?
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MAGIC USER'D
Seriously, gender neutral is "Magic user" or "Mage" SPECIAL NOTE - "Magick" is hipster bullshit. No K's allowed.
D&D teaches me things.
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Wait...is there a name for female wizards?
So you're saying Stephanie's not a witch?
Haha. I thought that the male version of "witch" is "wicken" or something like that.
UPDATE: I just google searched it and the male version of witch is "warlock." Thank you, Master Google.
I stand by my original post....Stephanie doesn't think she is a wizard. But maybe I should use John's suggestion? In that case, Stephanie doesn't think she is a mage. Regardless, Stephanie gets TWO, count them, TWO points for not thinking that she is the god of the universe.
Fuck! I just realized that I maybe should have written "goddess?" This gender stuff has permeated my every keystroke. Way to go Stephanie!
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Wait...is there a name for female wizards?
So you're saying Stephanie's not a witch?
Haha. I thought that the male version of "witch" is "wicken" or something like that.
UPDATE: I just google searched it and the male version of witch is "warlock." Thank you, Master Google.
I stand by my original post....Stephanie doesn't think she is a wizard. But maybe I should use John's suggestion? In that case, Stephanie doesn't think she is a mage. Regardless, Stephanie gets TWO, count them, TWO points for not thinking that she is the god of the universe.
Fuck! I just realized that I maybe should have written "goddess?" This gender stuff has permeated my every keystroke. Way to go Stephanie!
Oh jeebus.
This post is ridiculous. So is "magic" and law of attraction.
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Wait...is there a name for female wizards?
So you're saying Stephanie's not a witch?
Haha. I thought that the male version of "witch" is "wicken" or something like that.
UPDATE: I just google searched it and the male version of witch is "warlock." Thank you, Master Google.
I stand by my original post....Stephanie doesn't think she is a wizard. But maybe I should use John's suggestion? In that case, Stephanie doesn't think she is a mage. Regardless, Stephanie gets TWO, count them, TWO points for not thinking that she is the god of the universe.
Fuck! I just realized that I maybe should have written "goddess?" This gender stuff has permeated my every keystroke. Way to go Stephanie!
Oh jeebus.
This post is ridiculous. So is "magic" and law of attraction.
Law of Attraction is ridiculous, and so was Sam. I'm glad he left. Compared to him, Stephanie is extremely easy to listen to. She gets annoying sometimes, but I don't find everything she says tainted with bullshit.
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Law of Attraction is ridiculous, and so was Sam. I'm glad he left.
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We are discussing how, despite her string of controversial comments, Stephanie hasn't said anything as crazy as Sam's claim that all murder victims wanted to be killed.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
I very much agree. I didn't listen to the Sunday show until Mark started hosting it.
But on to discussing Stephanie's comments.....
Does anyone else agree with Stephanie that the TSA searching afros (spelling?) is racist? I don't like the TSA either, but if I was a member of a private security firm and I had to make sure no (fill in the blank) gets past my checkpoint, I think that I'd search really puffy hair that can hide the contraband I'm looking for. I understand where she's coming from, but I think its a stretch to say that its necessarily racist.
"Well, Tom, blacks are more likely to have puffy hair so your searches disproportionately effect blacks. Therefore, it is racist." That's like saying that the income tax is racist because whites and asians pay a disproportionate amount of the taxes compared to blacks.
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Does anyone else agree with Stephanie that the TSA searching afros (spelling?) is racist?
No.
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Seems to me, its kinda racist to assume blacks are the only people with afros.
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Does anyone else agree with Stephanie that the TSA searching afros (spelling?) is racist?
No.
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Seems to me, its kinda racist to assume blacks are the only people with afros.
I heard David Duchovny say that some people of Jewish descent have what's called an "isro" (pronounced like the "is" in "Israel").
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Seems to me, its kinda racist to assume blacks are the only people with afros.
eeeooooohhhhhh....Good point.
My hair, in fact, is super short because it gets puffy when long.
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Does anyone else agree with Stephanie that the TSA searching afros (spelling?) is racist?
No.
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Seems to me, its kinda racist to assume blacks are the only people with afros.
I heard David Duchovny say that some people of Jewish descent have what's called an "isro" (pronounced like the "is" in "Israel").
I've always heard it referred to as a jewfro.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
...and at least 1/4 of the time, included Stephanie...
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Even if people didn't like Stephanie and she caused the ratings to go down, Mark isn't going to have "the talk" with Stephanie or kick her off.
So we can bitch about it all day but she isn't leaving.
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Even if people didn't like Stephanie and she caused the ratings to go down, Mark isn't going to have "the talk" with Stephanie or kick her off.
So we can bitch about it all day but she isn't leaving.
She doesn't have to leave. I listened to the last Sunday show and thought it was pretty decent, not nearly as good as the Monday show though. Like I said before, she probably has interesting things to talk about, but before all she would talk about is how she's oppressed and objectified or whatever. I really would like to hear her talk more about her medical school experiences, but she doesn't seem like she's interested in relating that stuff to the show very often.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
Aahhh Watson.. but I do believe the real cause in elevated downloads is a direct result of Ian's absence. Elementree!
Does anyone else agree with Stephanie that the TSA searching afros (spelling?) is racist?
No.
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Seems to me, its kinda racist to assume blacks are the only people with afros.
Geez. If that can be construed as "racism" then goddammit anything could be!
...oh wait...
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The Sherlock Holmes thing was funny.
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Just read this thread. I found it pathetic how joe boner tried to make it about mysoginy, when clearly it had nothing to do with that. Ask yourself joe, WHY do you try to provoke people?
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I agree with you that massages have nothing to do with this thread, but I dont see how it really hurts anything to talk about them here.
I happen to like getting massages.
I actually like em quite a bit.
Specially on mah balls.
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How well did you know kongfish?
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How well did you know kongfish?
Very well.
Till he got distemper and I had to put him down.
He's buried out back.
Right next to Tony, my Chinchilla.
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+1 to Stephanie for finally getting the Bitcoin bug.
(I'm behind on my FTL podcasts, just ran across this. I actually enjoy listening to her when she's being technical, and the idea of her accepting bitcoins as a doctor is a great one.)
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Even if people didn't like Stephanie and she caused the ratings to go down, Mark isn't going to have "the talk" with Stephanie or kick her off.
So we can bitch about it all day but she isn't leaving.
You don't think that ratings matter to me? That is just incorrect. I care about the same two things that management of any radio company cares about: ratings and revenue.
Revenue is not as relevant, since it is too soon to for expectations and there is nothing for us to compare it too. We are getting revenue off of Sunday now, when before it existed we did not. The Sunday show is revenue positive and has been since the first month. win.
Ratings are largely unavailable for Free Talk Live generally. The best gauge we have is downloads. Downloads of the Sunday show have increased in comparison to the other Sunday shows, my guess as to why is professionalism. If any other of the hosts had their own Sunday, they would likely see increased downloads as their professionalism increased. BUT the Sunday show is getting good downloads vs the regular show TOO. Imagine that for a moment. The regular show has nearly 10 years of continuity!
At this moment the 1-1-12 show is 5th; 1-8-12 6th; and 1-15-12 is 10th in the list of downloaded January shows. Newer podcasts have a disadvantage since they have not had the time to get the downloads that the older ones. These are impressive numbers to me.
I find some of Stephanie's opinions grumble-worthy, but opinions are the most important thing a talk show host can have. She has them, she jumps in with them and she isn't afraid to express them. I have worked with many co-hosts that can't or won't stand up for their opinions resulting in an echo-chamber and a stifling of thought.
I am not keeping Stephanie because I am hard-headed, I am keeping Stephanie because she does what she is supposed to do; she has an opinion, her voice contrasts with mine, she gets ratings and by all accounts should be good for revenue.
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Guess nobody has noticed. Mark is probably too polite to mention it, but the Sunday show is growing in both stations and advertisers. As much as I like to bust on Stephanie, she and Mark are doing well. This is good for all of us. Mark would be a damn fool to get rid of her.
Besides on the last show Stephanie was the only reasonable voice on the subject of suicide. Mark must of had a cola or something.
Guess I was wrong.
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Some people like to say, "You can't get rid of things you dislike by using them." While they're usually referring to violence, or voting, or the government in general, I often think of fire.
Anyone know how oil companies, at least used to, get rid of raging drill site fires?
Answer: They created an even bigger fire that sucked all of the oxygen out of the air and put out the original fire. So, yes, you can put out fire with fire. Weird.
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So, yes, you can put out fire with fire. Weird.
Vermin Supreme: I Am A Meme | official KamPAIN theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcSnnU0xsc#ws)
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Some people like to say, "You can't get rid of things you dislike by using them." While they're usually referring to violence, or voting, or the government in general, I often think of fire.
Anyone know how oil companies, at least used to, get rid of raging drill site fires?
Answer: They created an even bigger fire that sucked all of the oxygen out of the air and put out the original fire. So, yes, you can put out fire with fire. Weird.
I think that guy's name is/was Red Adair...he made a career out of it. Think he got called out to Iraq in '91.
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MacGyver did it in a show as well.
WTF does this have to do with Stephanie?
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Want to compair Stephanie with a real gal? Compair her on the latest Porctherapy with Antigone on Dale's Flaming Freedom. They both talked about Barbie Dolls and had, of course completely different opinions. Antigone's was cool, reality based and Stephanie's was... well....not.
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MacGyver did it in a show as well.
WTF does this have to do with Stephanie?
Stephanie made the comment, but I didn't remember how she worded it so I was reluctant to quote her. I think its silly to say things like, "You can't stop violence with violence." I have gun in my home. I have a gun because I believe that I can stop violence with violence.
What did she say about Barbie dolls?
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MacGyver did it in a show as well.
WTF does this have to do with Stephanie?
Stephanie made the comment, but I didn't remember how she worded it so I was reluctant to quote her. I think its silly to say things like, "You can't stop violence with violence." I have gun in my home. I have a gun because I believe that I can stop violence with violence.
+1
Starship Troopers Scene Citizens vs Civilians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_urWSSZgwU#)
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Violence is NEVER the answer!!!
Starship Troopers, for instance. They lost thousands of human lives in the battle against the bugs, needlessly.
Wouldn't it have been better to just reason with the bugs or passively oppose their advances? Maybe ostracise the bugs and show them the err of their ways?
I dunno, sounds reasonable to me.
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Violence is NEVER the answer!!!
Starship Troopers, for instance. They lost thousands of human lives in the battle against the bugs, needlessly.
Wouldn't it have been better to just reason with the bugs or passively oppose their advances? Maybe ostracise the bugs and show them the err of their ways?
Indeed, those were dark days in the history of human civilization.
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Violence is NEVER the answer!!!
Starship Troopers, for instance. They lost thousands of human lives in the battle against the bugs, needlessly.
Wouldn't it have been better to just reason with the bugs or passively oppose their advances? Maybe ostracise the bugs and show them the err of their ways?
I dunno, sounds reasonable to me.
Oh, sounds good, why don't you post that on a sign in your front yard? Also saying something like "NO GUNS IN THIS HOME".
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Nah, I just wait till they break in and explain it to them at that time. Get a pot of coffee going and talk it over, calmly and reasonably.
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Nah, I just wait till they break in and explain it to them at that time. Get a pot of coffee going and talk it over, calmly and reasonably.
Good lord....I just spit on computer screen from laughing so hard.
Nice one, Mike.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
Right-O. It's far easier to FF through Stephanie's prattle when one is reasonably certain that there is something worth listening to on the other side.
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I checked downloads of all of the January FTL podcasts. The Sunday shows where in the top 54% percentile. I will check back farther, but my initial findings show that Sunday shows with Stephanie and me are as popular as the regular show and 20+% more so than the old Sunday show format.
Of course it is more popular with YOU making up 1/2 of the show and not a bunch of guys acting immature or girls giggling the entire time.
Right-O. It's far easier to FF through Stephanie's prattle when one is reasonably certain that there is something worth listening to on the other side.
Has that happened?
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Has that happened?
Sunday show (24 January 2012) - she got to yammering on three different times during the podcast; when she finally shut up, sanity was restored. She attempted to define weird and marriage, but largely kept her inane ramblings to a minimum.
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Has that happened?
Sunday show (24 January 2012) - she got to yammering on three different times during the podcast; when she finally shut up, sanity was restored. She attempted to define weird and marriage, but largely kept her inane ramblings to a minimum.
Wonderful. I breathed a sigh of relief when the Sunday show started on my iPod minutes ago and they had Stephan Kinsella as their guest. I figured I'd at least get that much enjoyment out of it, unless Stephanie figured out how to make IP a women's issue or somehow about religion.
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I enjoyed Kinsella as well. Its way better to have a guest on the radio where he/she/ze can discuss an issue over several segments. On TV, guests (often) only have about 30-90 seconds to discuss an issue, where as Kinsella was on FTL for over an hour (I think).
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I enjoyed Kinsella as well. Its way better to have a guest on the radio where he/she/ze can discuss an issue over several segments. On TV, guests (often) only have about 30-90 seconds to discuss an issue, where as Kinsella was on FTL for over an hour (I think).
2 show hours. I am not sure how long that is in podcast years.
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78 minutes and 40 seconds (calculated).
:)
-Kelvin
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Yeah, I knew he was on for a long time, but didn't look at my ipod to know for sure.
It must be kinda weird to be a guest on the radio due to all of the commercials. Talk for 7 minutes, hold for 3, talk for 6 minutes, hold for 2.............*
*Minutes are an estimate based on past performance and may not reflect actual time spent on air and/or on hold. User discretion advised.
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leave stephanie the fuck alone. she's my bitch......
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How dare you, Fred!
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leave stephanie the fuck alone. she's my bitch......
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Has that happened?
Sunday show (24 January 2012) - she got to yammering on three different times during the podcast; when she finally shut up, sanity was restored. She attempted to define weird and marriage, but largely kept her inane ramblings to a minimum.
Yes, predictable as always. Let's just ignore thousands of years of history because someone might be offended to hear that men and women are generally different and generally have different things to offer a child. On the off chance that a child might grow up to be straight, maybe we could hope they have a, positive, hetero, parental relationship as a model? I've heard that kids can be impacted by what they see while growing up.
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There's no evidence that it matters at all. There've now been plenty of str8 kids raised by same sex parents and all the horrors seem to just be in people's heads. All you've got is "This is how it's been for a really long time"? Pfft. Evolve already.
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But Dale, the ghey is a gateway thing, like those marijuana cigarettes the kids are goin all apey over these days. One day, they're smokin' the Mary Jane, next thing ya know, they're liftin' banks and fuckin' cows out in a cornfield at 4 in the morning in a rainstorm, wondering how they got there.
BAAMMM!!! I WIN!!
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BAAMMM!!! I WIN!!
Touche
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Straight parenting is the real gateway drug to homosexuality.
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leave stephanie the fuck alone. she's my bitch......
and you're my bitch.
So what does that make Steph?
My sister-in-law? :?
You're trippin if you think I'm your bitch...Biatch!
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Anti-Stephanie stuff sounds like Statist stuff to me...You want her to spout YOUR opinions, it's okay, when she spouts her own, OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
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No.
They are voicing the opinion that they would maybe like to have less Steph on the show. They even said please in the title of the thread. Nobody is demanding it by force.
Hardly statism by any stretch of the imagination.
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Anti-Stephanie stuff sounds like Statist stuff to me...You want her to spout YOUR opinions, it's okay, when she spouts her own, OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
That was ME, and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Read the fucking thread. If I was a statist, I'd come up with some silly fucking threat that involved the state. Go fish, jackass!
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Yes, yes. If you don't like listening to someone, then you must be a statist. Ahhhhhhh!
Sometimes I think our movement would be even smaller if the people who supposedly agree with us actually understood what we're saying.
Like...."Football is statist because there's teams and you root for one side. Its just like war where you root for one side. So all sports fans are statists. Bread & Circuses!"
No, no, no. Its not aggressive to watch sports and root for a team because you like the colors or location of their stadium or the players' physique. Seriously, how fucking hard is it to understand the NAP?
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Like...."Football is statist because there's teams and you root for one side. Its just like war where you root for one side. So all sports fans are statists. Bread & Circuses!"
No, no, no. Its not aggressive to watch sports and root for a team because you like the colors or location of their stadium or the players' physique. Seriously, how fucking hard is it to understand the NAP?
Oh, come on. You're mis-characterizing her statement. She specifically conceded that it was in no way a violation of the NAP and that she had no problem with people doing it. She was just making a point about how the thought process of sports allegiances is very similar, and she is right (IMHO). The analogy has been made by others before her. She didn't even come up with it. But I've never heard anyone claim it was a violation of the NAP and therefore non-libertarian.
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Long before I even knew what libertarianism or statism or any of that shit was, back when I was in about 8th grade, I recall feeling like the arbitrary-seeming local sports allegiances were ridiculous.
There was a football game coming up between Dallas and Atlanta. I was in school in suburban Atlanta. So many people were rooting for the Falcons, of course, including my step-sister and step-mother. My dad and I bet against them on the side of the Cowboys because we were quite confident that they would win. So we were rooting for Dallas. Why? Because we thought they were the better team and because we fucking had money riding on it!
When I see sports fans with admiration for a team other than one associated with where they grew up or where they're living now or whatever completely arbitrary association, I tend to be a little impressed with their thought processes. Otherwise it just looks stupid. No, not a NAP thing. They just seem stupid, and that's how my step-sister and step-mother seemed to me at that time. And they lost their money for it. But hey, rah rah, local team! Whooo!
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Glad you mentioned that. None of my teams are local. There is a collectivist aspect to all sports, though, and sometimes it does show itself, like when Tim Thomas decided not to go to the White House with the Boston Bruins, and a whole lot of people said he wasn't a "team player" because he chose to avoid the obvious political scene (to their credit, though the Bruins organization separated themselves from his views, they said he was not and should not be compelled to attend.)
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Did I say Stephanie said any of that? No.
My comment was directed toward the guy who thought that we're being "statists" because we disagree with Stephanie. Disagreeing with people and/or wanting them to stop hosting radio shows has nothing to do with statism. Just like football has nothing to do with statism. That's why I brought it up.
By the way, do you want to know who did say that "Football promotes statism"???? It was Ian. That is who I was referring to.
And how is it more "arbitrary" to root for a local team than to buy food from a local seller? I've heard many people on FTL talk about "supporting the local community." If it makes people happy to buy stuff from local businesses, so what? If makes people happy to root for the local team, so what?
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Did I say Stephanie said any of that? No.
My comment was directed toward the guy who thought that we're being "statists" because we disagree with Stephanie. Disagreeing with people and/or wanting them to stop hosting radio shows has nothing to do with statism. Just like football has nothing to do with statism. That's why I brought it up.
By the way, do you want to know who did say that "Football promotes statism"???? It was Ian. That is who I was referring to.
And how is it more "arbitrary" to root for a local team than to buy food from a local seller? I've heard many people on FTL talk about "supporting the local community." If it makes people happy to buy stuff from local businesses, so what? If makes people happy to root for the local team, so what?
Bardo Farm is statist.
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i like stephanie, she's a welcome change after all week hearing Mark and Ian getting all uppity and ranting (LOL) god bless them :mrgreen:! She has a soothing voice and she very polite! Thank you FTL for having her on!
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You like her because she has a "soothing voice"?????? How arbitrary.
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Hey, guess who else had a soothing voice.
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The fact that there is a thread titled "Less Stephanie" confirms my suspicion that this chick needs to go. She is annoying, closed minded, and HATES WHITE PEOPLE. She is the bigot she proclaims to despise.
To Stephanie, I strongly suggest you do some reading on what the terms, racist, bigot, and xenophobia means. You sound like fool on the air. Grow up and get a grip on reality. The piss and vinegar that spews from your mouth is repulsive and to say the least irritating. If you even made an iota of sense its down out by your teeth sucking and sighs or condescension.
If FTL cares about it's program they will remove you from the show.
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Some harsh comments here...I can't see being angry-hostile about Stephanie. I download every podcast and I simply stop listening when I hear Stephanie's voice - it's irritating to waste the time downloading a podcast I can't listen to, but it's not worth getting angry about.
Mark likes the controversy - he believes it to be good for business...I want more people to be exposed to the ideas of liberty, so I hope he is right, but I think Nemmy would be a far better choice. If Mark keeps Stephanie on long-term, I really hope someone teaches her how to speak into a microphone without gurgling saliva or sucking her teeth.
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Trailer Park Boys - Countdown to liquor day - Sucking Teeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmT5GXSNohQ#)
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There's no evidence that it matters at all. There've now been plenty of str8 kids raised by same sex parents and all the horrors seem to just be in people's heads. All you've got is "This is how it's been for a really long time"? Pfft. Evolve already.
uh, I also claimed that, generally, men and women have different things to offer a child. My post doesn't suggest any "horrors", just the suggestion that a healthy straight relationship of parents could be positive for a child that turns out to have a hetero preference later in life.
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I think Nemmy would be a far better choice.
Seconded
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I really don't understand all this anti-stephanie talk.
What "famminazi" talk? She hates white people?
Where are you guys getting this?
Perhaps you could list some quotes referring to the exact times in podcasts where she speaks in the annoying manner you speak of.
I have always enjoyed listening to her. I find her very intelligent and insightful, and her voice is quite pleasant.
Maybe some of these stephanie haters are just guys who are threatened by intelligent women.
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She still believes a anarcho socialist system might work, that is a bit silly.
On the other hand she is helping prove some semblance of viability with the fr33aid stuff.
I get mainly annoyed with her when she talks about stuff she is clueless about such as parenthood.
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I really don't understand all this anti-stephanie talk.
What "famminazi" talk? She hates white people?
Where are you guys getting this?
Perhaps you could list some quotes referring to the exact times in podcasts where she speaks in the annoying manner you speak of.
I have always enjoyed listening to her. I find her very intelligent and insightful, and her voice is quite pleasant.
Maybe some of these stephanie haters are just guys who are threatened by intelligent women.
I'm sorry you can't figure it out. It's feminazi. Google works for that. I'm married to an intelligent woman, who's no "threat," maybe you're an idiot.
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Maybe some of these stephanie haters are just guys who are threatened by intelligent women.
She did say she used to hate men, period. I think a lot of her opinions are of an emasculative nature, and are a holdover from that period in her life.
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I have noticed an improvement in the quality of the Sunday shows. She actually seems to be getting pretty good at hosting if you ask me.
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I really don't understand all this anti-stephanie talk.
What "famminazi" talk? She hates white people?
Where are you guys getting this?
Perhaps you could list some quotes referring to the exact times in podcasts where she speaks in the annoying manner you speak of.
I have always enjoyed listening to her. I find her very intelligent and insightful, and her voice is quite pleasant.
Maybe some of these stephanie haters are just guys who are threatened by intelligent women.
I'm sorry you can't figure it out. It's feminazi. Google works for that. I'm married to an intelligent woman, who's no "threat," maybe you're an idiot.
Pete is clearly a man of class and culture. He found it necessary to leave the following message in my box:
You are an asshole, fuck off.
Apparently it was lost on him that I started this thread, and it is he who should follow his own advice and do the fucking off.
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sorta sucks that there's a thread that disses Steph - hell Kenneth under the right circumstances you'd prolly fuck the shit outta her... So, she ain't that fucking bad.
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sorta sucks that there's a thread that disses Steph - hell Kenneth under the right circumstances you'd prolly fuck the shit outta her... So, she ain't that fucking bad.
It doesn't dis her, and it doesn't have anything to do with how attractive she is (and she ain't all that.) It criticizes her show personality, which I've described, and most people seem to "get." I also entitled the thread "Less Stephanie, Please," not "Get Rid of Stephanie," not "Rape Stephanie," not "Stephanie is a worthless cunt," etc.
That said, FreeAgent is right; she has improved.
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you're a fucking good man Ken.
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She keeps going after the porn and I will have to call in and set her straight. She was pushing it being full of it on kids upbringing, but dissing the porn and it is ON.
Anybody heard the pussiefied Mandrik on P&TG? :shock: She is breaking him!
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She keeps going after the porn and I will have to call in and set her straight. She was pushing it being full of it on kids upbringing, but dissing the porn and it is ON.
Where/when did that happen?
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Stephanie has a really soothing pleasant voice. I think I could listen to her talk about anything.
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I think Nemmy would be a far better choice.
Seconded
Thirded - Nemi, Julia, or both.
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MMM, yeah.....
Oh wait "thirded".
Nevermind.
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Nemi would be a great choice. Even bringing back Michele would be better.
Also, Ali was really showing her naivete, youth, and inexperience last Friday.
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Nemi would be a great choice.
^ this
MORE NEMI!
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I really enjoy the Sunday show here lately. Mark normally says what I would have said when Stephanie says something stupid and listening to her bristle is very amusing to me.
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I really enjoy the Sunday show here lately. Mark normally says what I would have said when Stephanie says something stupid and listening to her bristle is very amusing to me.
Lucky she has a vagina otherwise Mark probably wouldn't talk to her at all.
You know.. the basis for all male/female interaction.
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Interesting how I have been discovering that there are many parallels between the liberty movement and the men's rights lobby. This video describes what I am getting at.
ManWomanMyth - Family - Fatherlessness - part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDaD_mLfT8#)
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As an amplifier, I was shocked and disappointed to hear that Stephanie is paid to be on the air.
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I really enjoy the Sunday show here lately. Mark normally says what I would have said when Stephanie says something stupid and listening to her bristle is very amusing to me.
Lucky she has a vagina otherwise Mark probably wouldn't talk to her at all.
You know.. the basis for all male/female interaction.
Is there something we don't know about Ian?
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I really enjoy the Sunday show here lately. Mark normally says what I would have said when Stephanie says something stupid and listening to her bristle is very amusing to me.
Lucky she has a vagina otherwise Mark probably wouldn't talk to her at all.
You know.. the basis for all male/female interaction.
Is there something we don't know about Ian?
you mean...you...don't...know?
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Is there something we don't know about Ian?
No.
Face it. He's not really the kinda guy to keep secrets about himself. Need I remind people of Hide the Koosh?
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Hide the koosh?
Please note the word Koosh was not passed by the spell check. Please bitch at Dale whom I copied for any spelling errors on my part.
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Hide the koosh?
You really gotta dig up the episode(s) where he talks about it. They are destined to be classics. But it's basically the term you use to explain blow jobs to an 11-year-old in exchange for video games. :shock: :lol:
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Perhaps you missed the *>joke<* sign. :D
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Hide the koosh?
You really gotta dig up the episode(s) where he talks about it. They are destined to be classics. But it's basically the term you use to explain blow jobs to an 11-year-old in exchange for video games. :shock: :lol:
Weren't there koosh balls when we were kids? We were told no one could be hurt with them but we winged them at our smaller siblings anyway testing the theory.
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Apparently this koosh is a 16-year-old penis that you hide in an 11-year-old's mouth.
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Speaking of saying stupid things, why are you so against closed neighborhoods and clubs in a free society? You realize the fact that they voluntarily exist now indicates strongly that they would likely turn up in a free society don't you?
I like the idea anyway, because it lets commies and racist have a chance to live their dream on its merits.
I can say to a anarcho socialist or a separatist "So, your afraid of living in a free society? You and a group of like minded people are free to acquire territory and live like you want." The person I am arguing with gets a little spark of clarity that liberty and respecting the NAP is the key for the most happiness for everyone.
Every now and then one might get some silly mass suicide like Jonestown or one might get some repugnant lifestyle choices like the Branch Davidians or even disgusting racist towns but at least they would be voluntary and their own goddamn problem.
And for everyone else it gives a simple practical answer to "who builds the roads" and other hogwash.
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Either I missed something or that was intended for another thread.
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That post was addressed at Dale, but any twit who believes that voluntary clubs and closed neighborhoods wouldn't exist in a free society is welcome to weigh in.
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As an amplifier, I was shocked and disappointed to hear that Stephanie is paid to be on the air.
She is paid completely by me. No AMP money goes to her pay. She drives an hour both ways to do the show. Gas costs money. I want a commitment from her that she will be there. Money gets commitment. I know you don't like her as a co-host, but the downloads on the Sunday Show tend to be better than average for FTL. Her work is worth money. It isn't like Ian brings in any money either. I pay everybody. I am the sales dept.
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As an amplifier, I was shocked and disappointed to hear that Stephanie is paid to be on the air.
She is paid completely by me. No AMP money goes to her pay. She drives an hour both ways to do the show. Gas costs money. I want a commitment from her that she will be there. Money gets commitment. I know you don't like her as a co-host, but the downloads on the Sunday Show tend to be better than average for FTL. Her work is worth money. It isn't like Ian brings in any money either. I pay everybody. I am the sales dept.
As you are quite fond of saying, money is fungible. I stopped listening to the Sunday show. FWIW, my iTunes downloads every show. Everyone else's probably does too. I just have to delete it.
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As an amplifier, I was shocked and disappointed to hear that Stephanie is paid to be on the air.
She is paid completely by me. No AMP money goes to her pay. She drives an hour both ways to do the show. Gas costs money. I want a commitment from her that she will be there. Money gets commitment. I know you don't like her as a co-host, but the downloads on the Sunday Show tend to be better than average for FTL. Her work is worth money. It isn't like Ian brings in any money either. I pay everybody. I am the sales dept.
As you are quite fond of saying, money is fungible. I stopped listening to the Sunday show. FWIW, my iTunes downloads every show. Everyone else's probably does too. I just have to delete it.
The money isn't fungible because it isn't my money. I don't control it. Ian does. We make decisions on where to spend ad money because we have money that most be spent on ads. I can assure you I wouldn't agree to our ad budget if it was coming out of my money. This money is a little fungible, but mostly not.
Most people don't automatically download the program. We know this because of the large disparity in downloads on different shows. I wish they did but they don't. between 1,500 and 2,000 people do. We get up to 10,000 downloads a show.
You don't like her. Many people do. I hear from them often. To me, metrics are the most objective measurement of performance and the downloads are the most actuate metrics I can get. What do you think I should do? Tell her that What's the Frequency Kenneth thinks you are annoying, straighten up?
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There used to be no Sunday show at all and I believe you AMPed then. The Sunday show, even if it is completely worthless to you, has not diminished the return you're getting for AMP money. I think the Sunday show has probably done a lot more than a few Google Adword results FTL could buy with Stephanie's gas money.
I guess you could argue that the Sunday show has negative value for you, but I think that's a stretch.
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There used to be no Sunday show at all and I believe you AMPed then. The Sunday show, even if it is completely worthless to you, has not diminished the return you're getting for AMP money. I think the Sunday show has probably done a lot more than a few Google Adword results FTL could buy with Stephanie's gas money.
I guess you could argue that the Sunday show has negative value for you, but I think that's a stretch.
It wasn't costing any money, either. I doubt the Sunday show has any google adwords specifically earning it money. In fact, I think it's using up some of that too. People are acting like I'm the only one who's put off by her act. Plenty have spoken up. There were two or three other threads, not started by me. For each of those people, there are probably countless others who just decided it's not worth discussing.
What's more, as the title indicates, it's not about getting rid of her. It's about reducing her status to something more like it deserves.
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She gets on my nerves too, sometimes. However, I think that she may actually be better than Mark at things like wrapping up at the end of a segment (as opposed to talking right into it and getting cut off). She seems to handle it better.
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I've decided to stop complaining about Stephanie because it is a waste of energy and there is too much negativity in my life as it is.
Mark feels like she makes a desirable impact on the show...he is wrong, but it's his show to do with as he pleases, so as long as nobody is forcing me to listen to it; why bother complaining? My future silence on the topic of Stephanie Murphy should not be interpreted as a tacit endorsement - I turn off the podcast when hear her voice, even when it's just a commercial - I've heard enough of her idiotic dribble to last 6 lifetimes and I will not willingly subject myself to her ever again.
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I'm sorry I've come rather late to this debate, and apologies for the rather long post. Also I was only able to read the comments up to page 20, so someone may have already covered this perhaps. However, I think (hope maybe) it might help put peoples frustrations about Stephanie and feminism into perspective perhaps. I want to caveat firstly that I was naturally drawn to liking Stephanie from the get-go, but that it has been her particular take on this topic that has caused me some frustration with her. However, I do not consider her a man hater at all. With that in mind, I hope she looks at my criticism as constructive.
I've taken some great strides personally with many of the claims of feminism. Much of which has led me into criticising myself as a man as well. I believe what rankles many men about Stephanie's commentry around feminism. Although it eludes to equality, it mostly ignores much of men's experiences of dealing with women. At its extreme if a woman cries rape and it's false, there is little to no sympathy for such a man. Indeed the expression 'mud always sticks', is all too often the saying. In western culture very often the female who lied is still given protection, whilst the guys reputation is torn to shreds. As for all the statistics that have been banded around about female rape, much of which is questionable. With all this it's often very frustrating for men to be tarred by the same brush, as creeps, aggressive, violent, deadbeat dads, potential rapists etc etc. This is not to ignore all the issues that women suffer from. But women have a very big and very loud voice in our culture. I would go as far as to say that politically they are a protected class even. This goes against everything that mainstream feminism proclaims of course, because it suggests that men rather than women are the real victims. Of course it is the state primarily that underwrites this culture, by teaming up with feminists to use law, welfare and education to the detriment of men and more importantly fathers. I say all this knowing full well that Stephanie doesn't support much, if any of the above.
To take this to an everyday level, rather than the extremes above, Why is it that when a guy shows an interest in a women she doesn't feel attracted too, she will claim being creeped out. But as a man who on occasions of being approached by women for actual sex and just politely declined, carried on with my day unabashed. Essentially, the guy having been already rejected is now publically scolded for being a sex pest. Yet if a guy was to make the same claim about a women that he rejected, his claim would be considered as weird or odd. The ability to humiliate a man in an instance is quite a powerful weapon women have. It's a weapon that all men know only too well of course. Which is a reason why some guys are crushingly shy when approaching women. Their shyness underlying their abject terror of being humiliated publically. As men we must discover ways to attract women. These all too often involve modifying our behaviour to match the perceived needs and desires of women. So women have grown to expect this special treatment as normal. Thankfully a lot of women choose not to always wield the humiliation card. However, an equally interesting question to ask in this scenario, why do men take a woman's approach to them often as a compliment, whilst women very often view a mans approach as harassment? Notwithstanding that both men and women can 'act out' with either gender which can be considered as real 'harassment'. Anyway regardless of whether this power disparity is normal or right even. It is never discussed by so called feminists or gender egalitarians even. But it's one of a few areas in which women hold all the cards.
If Stephanie approached the topic in this balanced way, I do think she would garner a lot more support from her male audience. It's deeply demotivating for men to hear what they have been hearing all their lives from the culture they live in. Men are bad, sex fiends, dysfunctional and violent. The constant referencing to these accusations even subtly, belies the very real effort most men have gone too, in trying to understand a women's needs and desires. Since men have been taught that exposing their feelings can be very dangerous for them. Not to mention men's needs and desires very often taking second place to that of a woman's, without a blink or complaint by the man. These I consider as some of the more useful topics to engage men in the topic of 'equality', but I rarely if ever hear them being discussed. So I've said enough for now I think. I hope I made some sense. :)
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Tom Brady on SNL skit (Smigel): "Sexual Harassment and You" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY#ws)
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With that in mind, I hope she looks at my criticism as constructive.
Stephanie doesn't read this bbs.
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With that in mind, I hope she looks at my criticism as constructive.
Stephanie doesn't read this bbs.
Thanks Dale for the info, I'll have to take a look at that video when I get home. Smartfone incapable of much beyond board postings and FB.
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Thanks for the video--funny as hell. :D
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Have to agree.. great comedy observation :D