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« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2009, 10:55:37 PM »

The burden of proof that the "Law of Attraction" works lies with you. Prove it!
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« Reply #121 on: January 12, 2009, 01:34:34 AM »

The burden of proof that the "Law of Attraction" works lies with you. Prove it!

How exactly would one prove that thinking in a positive manner and focusing on goals has improved their lives? Please note that i am not endorsing the "magic" aspect of the subject.
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« Reply #122 on: January 12, 2009, 02:23:38 AM »

Well then, we have nothing to discuss. It is the magical "The Secret" crap that Ian (and to a lesser extent Mark, but he was all muddle-headed about religion before) embraces now that irritates the fuck outta me.
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« Reply #123 on: January 12, 2009, 07:36:24 AM »

An excellent review of THE SECRET from Amazon. Worth the read.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2X2TB3S4O5I60/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg4?_encoding=UTF8&cdPage=1

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Please allow me to share with you how "The Secret" changed my life and in a very real and substantive way allowed me to overcome a severe crisis in my personal life. It is well known that the premise of "The Secret" is the science of attracting the things in life that you desire and need and in removing from your life those things that you don't want. Before finding this book, I knew nothing of these principles, the process of positive visualization, and had actually engaged in reckless behaviors to the point of endangering my own life and wellbeing.
At age 36, I found myself in a medium security prison serving 3-5 years for destruction of government property and public intoxication. This was stiff punishment for drunkenly defecating in a mailbox but as the judge pointed out, this was my third conviction for the exact same crime. I obviously had an alcohol problem and a deep and intense disrespect for the postal system, but even more importantly I was ignoring the very fabric of our metaphysical reality and inviting destructive influences into my life.
My fourth day in prison was the first day that I was allowed in general population and while in the recreation yard I was approached by a prisoner named Marcus who calmly informed me that as a new prisoner I had been purchased by him for three packs of Winston cigarettes and 8 ounces of Pruno (prison wine). Marcus elaborated further that I could expect to be raped by him on a daily basis and that I had pretty eyes.
Needless to say, I was deeply shocked that my life had sunk to this level. Although I've never been homophobic I was discovering that I was very rape phobic and dismayed by my overall personal street value of roughly $15. I returned to my cell and sat very quietly, searching myself for answers on how I could improve my life and distance myself from harmful outside influences. At that point, in what I consider to be a miraculous moment, my cell mate Jim Norton informed me that he knew about the Marcus situation and that he had something that could solve my problems. He handed me a copy of "The Secret". Normally I wouldn't have turned to a self help book to resolve such a severe and immediate threat but I literally didn't have any other available alternatives. I immediately opened the book and began to read.
The first few chapters deal with the essence of something called the "Law of Attraction" in which a primal universal force is available to us and can be harnessed for the betterment of our lives. The theoretical nature of the first few chapters wasn't exactly putting me at peace. In fact, I had never meditated and had great difficulty with closing out the chaotic noises of the prison and visualizing the positive changes that I so dearly needed. It was when I reached Chapter 6 "The Secret to Relationships" that I realized how this book could help me distance myself from Marcus and his negative intentions. Starting with chapter six there was a cavity carved into the book and in that cavity was a prison shiv. This particular shiv was a toothbrush with a handle that had been repeatedly melted and ground into a razor sharp point.
The next day in the exercise yard I carried "The Secret" with me and when Marcus approached me I opened the book and stabbed him in the neck. The next eight weeks in solitary confinement provided ample time to practice positive visualization and the 16 hours per day of absolute darkness made visualization about the only thing that I actually could do. I'm not sure that everybody's life will be changed in such a dramatic way by this book but I'm very thankful to have found it and will continue to recommend it heartily.
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« Reply #124 on: January 12, 2009, 08:48:58 AM »

The burden of proof that the "Law of Attraction" works lies with you. Prove it!

How exactly would one prove that thinking in a positive manner and focusing on goals has improved their lives? Please note that i am not endorsing the "magic" aspect of the subject.

Very few good things overall have happened to people that have a negative and self-defeating attitude about anything. Then again those who think too positive and spread the message of love and peace among all men, their reward in life is a bullet (or cross).

So pick your path.
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« Reply #125 on: January 12, 2009, 11:01:25 AM »

Well then, we have nothing to discuss. It is the magical "The Secret" crap that Ian (and to a lesser extent Mark, but he was all muddle-headed about religion before) embraces now that irritates the fuck outta me.

Well i haven't been listening very long but i listened to most of the show posted earlier in this thread and it sounded like Ian was not endorsing the "hocus pocus" aspect of The Secret movie either. I could be wrong.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #126 on: January 12, 2009, 11:18:08 AM »

I'll stab you in the neck!
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« Reply #127 on: January 12, 2009, 12:43:04 PM »

I have been interested in this since hearing talk about it on the show.  I've always thought that Ian and Mark (to a lesser extent) were pretty rational when it came to views on religion and the spiritual.  I picked up a book on this the other day and could barely get through 10 pages.  This book claimed that you can affect the universe and ask it for anything you want.  However, you have to only think in positives, because the universe only responds to positives.  So if you think "I don't want to get cancer" the universe perceives "I WANT GET CANCER" and BAM you've got a case of cancer on your hands.

What the fuck is this shit?  The universe is some aware, intelligent presence that can grant wishes yet can't discern basic human language in thought processes?

I can buy that merely thinking positively affects one's personal psychology and that this can have an impact on one's life and "personal reality".  But, this is utter nonsense. 

Why doesn't the universe heal amputees?
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« Reply #128 on: January 12, 2009, 12:48:44 PM »

I have been interested in this since hearing talk about it on the show.  I've always thought that Ian and Mark (to a lesser extent) were pretty rational when it came to views on religion and the spiritual.  I picked up a book on this the other day and could barely get through 10 pages.  This book claimed that you can affect the universe and ask it for anything you want.  However, you have to only think in positives, because the universe only responds to positives.  So if you think "I don't want to get cancer" the universe perceives "I WANT GET CANCER" and BAM you've got a case of cancer on your hands.

What the fuck is this shit?  The universe is some aware, intelligent presence that can grant wishes yet can't discern basic human language in thought processes?

I can buy that merely thinking positively affects one's personal psychology and that this can have an impact on one's life and "personal reality".  But, this is utter nonsense. 

Why doesn't the universe heal amputees?

Suggestion:

Go here: http://www.logicallycritical.net/Episodes.html
Listen to episode 23.

I bet you'll like it. 
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« Reply #129 on: January 12, 2009, 01:35:18 PM »

I have been interested in this since hearing talk about it on the show.  I've always thought that Ian and Mark (to a lesser extent) were pretty rational when it came to views on religion and the spiritual.  I picked up a book on this the other day and could barely get through 10 pages.  This book claimed that you can affect the universe and ask it for anything you want.  However, you have to only think in positives, because the universe only responds to positives.  So if you think "I don't want to get cancer" the universe perceives "I WANT GET CANCER" and BAM you've got a case of cancer on your hands.

What the fuck is this shit?  The universe is some aware, intelligent presence that can grant wishes yet can't discern basic human language in thought processes?

I can buy that merely thinking positively affects one's personal psychology and that this can have an impact on one's life and "personal reality".  But, this is utter nonsense. 

Why doesn't the universe heal amputees?

Fell out of my chair laughing so hard.
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« Reply #130 on: January 12, 2009, 01:39:11 PM »

They don't want it bad enough.
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« Reply #131 on: January 12, 2009, 02:39:07 PM »

I have been interested in this since hearing talk about it on the show.  I've always thought that Ian and Mark (to a lesser extent) were pretty rational when it came to views on religion and the spiritual.  I picked up a book on this the other day and could barely get through 10 pages.  This book claimed that you can affect the universe and ask it for anything you want.  However, you have to only think in positives, because the universe only responds to positives.  So if you think "I don't want to get cancer" the universe perceives "I WANT GET CANCER" and BAM you've got a case of cancer on your hands.

What the fuck is this shit?  The universe is some aware, intelligent presence that can grant wishes yet can't discern basic human language in thought processes?

I can buy that merely thinking positively affects one's personal psychology and that this can have an impact on one's life and "personal reality".  But, this is utter nonsense. 

Why doesn't the universe heal amputees?


Fell out of my chair laughing so hard.

The book was "The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Law of Attraction" by Diane Ahlquist.  It starts out innocently enough describing LOA as a "birds of a feather flock together" concept.  There's certainly truth to that.  Look at all of us, for example.  Most of us here sincerely desire greater freedom and liberty.  And here we are, "attracting" like-minded people that can help make that idea a reality.  Yet, like most good lies, the truth is mixed with a healthy dose of bullshit.  It's only a few pages later than Ms. Ahlquist is talking about the obtuse Universe fucking up orders like so many half retarded McDonald's drive-thru employees.
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« Reply #132 on: January 12, 2009, 08:00:56 PM »

Suppose that you know something that will help improve peoples lives, but its a pretty mundane and "obvious" idea that is hard to get people excited about. Suppose that you dress up this idea with some quantum mechanics and magical thinking and it gets more people to actually start applying the boring mundane idea to their lives.

Would it really be better if the author wrote a strictly rational text that would only help a fraction of the potential audience?
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« Reply #133 on: January 12, 2009, 08:06:34 PM »

Suppose that you know something that will help improve peoples lives, but its a pretty mundane and "obvious" idea that is hard to get people excited about. Suppose that you dress up this idea with some quantum mechanics and magical thinking and it gets more people to actually start applying the boring mundane idea to their lives.

Would it really be better if the author wrote a strictly rational text that would only help a fraction of the potential audience?

Would it be better if they taught teens to use condoms or else their cock will drop off during sex?

No. Its a good idea to use condoms, but if you believe it for the wrong reasons, that either going to lead to you realizing its bullshit (and then the real reason to use condoms is lost to you), or it will have you blindly believing any old bullshit without critically processing it.

Ends don't justify the means. Lying to people doesn't justify whatever you think it will achieve. If they can't handle the truth, fuck them.

This is the same kind of bullshit mentality that gets people saying that they're glad idiots buy into the bible, because heaven. hell, and god dictated morality is the only thing stopping them from going round killing people.

Except when god says its okay to kill certain people. Then shit hits the fan.

its also hella patronizing to believe that there are certain people who are too dumb to recognize useful truths without them being dressed up in fantasy.
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« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2009, 08:12:39 PM »


The book was "The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Law of Attraction" by Diane Ahlquist.  It starts out innocently enough describing LOA as a "birds of a feather flock together" concept.  There's certainly truth to that. ...

That's exactly it. Ian and others always use this to sell it as a perfectly reasonable way of thinking but then they get off into the mystical elements pretty readily. I've got to work on Ian a bit though. He's a relativist and does not accept that reality is objective.
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