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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2008, 07:54:24 AM »

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Regardless of whether you think it's bullshit or not, where is the HARM in thinking positive?

None. As long as thinking doesn't take the place of acting.

 
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I find it to be interesting that the more I get to know about Libertarians I find a lot of them to be very cynical and pessimistic.

I suppose I'm a bit of a cynic (and IRL I'll play it up for comedy value), but I don't consider myself particularly pessimistic.

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I guess I had just assumed that when I found other people who had similar political beliefs, such as myself, that they would be similar in other respects too.

See, that's just the kind of thing I would never think. But I don't really care so I'm not "pessimistic" about it. :)

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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2008, 08:52:14 AM »

Regardless of whether you think it's bullshit or not, where is the HARM in thinking positive?

Who said there was harm in thinking positive?  From what I've seen, people think that thinking positively is great-- so great that you don't need to a slap a new label and a bunch of hocus pocus on it. 

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I find it to be interesting that the more I get to know about Libertarians I find a lot of them to be very cynical and pessimistic.  I don't really know why this shocks me so much.


Many libertarians are skeptics.  Skepticism and cynicism are not the same thing, though they can be confused by people who want to believe.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2008, 05:05:22 PM »

Many libertarians are skeptics.  Skepticism and cynicism are not the same thing, though they can be confused by people who want to believe.
Many libertarians are cynics.

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Currently, the word cynicism generally describes the opinions of those who see self-interest as the primary motive of human behaviour, and who disincline to rely upon sincerity, human virtue, or altruism as motivations.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2008, 05:16:27 PM »

Many libertarians are cynics.

Yep, but probably not more than the average population. 
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2008, 05:24:09 PM »

The more I look into this, the nuttier it seems

http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/abraham-hicks-on-law-of-attraction-success-in-17-seconds/
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Abraham Hicks on Law of Attraction Success in 17 Seconds

If you can hold a thought, just a simple thought, for 17 seconds, without
contradicting it, another thought like it same shape, same size, same
vibration, same tone, by law of attraction another thought like it will come
to it. And at precisely the 17 second point, these two thoughts will join
one another, they coalesce and when they do that there is an energy that is
expended, it is like a combustion point. And when these two thoughts join
and combust, you can feel a measure of enthusiasm or interest bubbling
within you. And in that moment of 17 seconds, these two thoughts that were
same become one bigger,more evolved, faster vibrating thought.

Now, if you can stay focused on this subject that you have chosen for
another 17 seconds, at the moment that you cross the 34 second mark that is
just two times 17 this now more evolved thought will attract unto it and -
in other words, the thoughts attract each other. Your thought draws another
and the other thought draws it, thoughts that are same in nature come
together.

And at the 34 second mark these two more evolved thoughts do the
same thing, they coalesce and there is another combustion point . At that
point, these two thoughts become one, higher and faster in vibration. If you
can maintain you attention to that now more evolved thought, at the 51
second mark which is just 3 times 17 there is another coalescing, another
joining of thought and another combustion point.

If you can hold that more evolved thought for another 17 seconds, the same
thing happens and when you cross the 68 second mark, you have a combustion
big e nough to affect physical manifestation.

Just to get your attention we want to give you some physical comparison; 17
seconds of pure thought is equivalent to 2000 hours of action. If you are
working a regular 40 hour a week job, that is about what you work in a year.
17 seconds equals 2000 action hours. If you can cross the 34 second mark,
you can multiply your action by ten, 20.000 action hours. If you can cross
the 51 second mark 3 times 17 you can multiply by ten again, a 200.000
action hour equivalent. If you can cross the 68 second mark - now that is
just over a minute of pure con-contradicted, non-diluted thought it is
equivalent to over 2 million action hours.

Esther said: “Abraham, I believe you, but it sounds proposterous. I cannot
fathom that kind of leverage”. And then Jerry and Esther purchased some
commercial property over on the interstate, interstate 10, close to where
they live in Texas. And there had been a high rise building built on that,
partially constructed and the company went bankrupt and the building was
demolished.

And when Jerry and Esther purchased the land, it was a big pile
of rubble. And the big trucks and the roadgraders came, and in two days
time, carried this mountainous rubble of debris away. And as Esther stood
watching it, she said to Jerry: “How long would that take Carlos to do?”
Carlos is the lovely man who cleared their residential property with
wheelbarrow and a shovel. And Jerry said: “In his lifetime, he could not
make a dent in that”. And Esther said: I understand THAT leverage. This is
what Abraham is talking about. When you align your energies with the
energies that create worlds, when you are no longer contradicting at your
CORE, amazing things happen.

Now 17 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but as we watch you we see that most
of you at about 8 begin your contradictory vibrations . Most of you do not
make it through a whole sentence without contradicting the vibration of your
desire. People will say to us: “Abraham,I want more money, I am so tired of
the struggle”, that was about 1 second. “Abraham, I want so much to be well,
I am frightened of this illness”.

You have been trained to be so objective
that you keep shooting yourselves in the foot. It is a little bit like
someone saying: “I want a cup of hot tea” and so they turn the fire on under
their pot, and just before it boils they turn it off, and then they turn it
on again, and just before it boils, they turn it off and then they turn it
on again and then just before it boils they turn it off and then they say:
“For 15 years, I have been trying to get some hot tea!” And we say: “Just
leave it on, just leave it on a little longer”. If you could just resist the
opposite knee jerk reaction, just a little longer, you will begin to get the
sense of what we are talking about . The reason that it is difficult for you
not to offer the contradictory thought so quickly, is because you have been
trained to be objective, you have been trained to weigh the pros and the
cons , the pluses and the minuses. You have been taught that this is
balanced or even minded.

If you could just resist the pposite knee jerk reaction, just a little longer, you will begin to get the
sense of what we are talking about . The reason that it is difficult for you
not to offer the contradictory thought so quickly, is because you have been
trained to be objective, you have been trained to weigh the pros and the
cons , the pluses and the minuses. You have been taught that this is
balanced or even minded.

And we say: You take it to an extreme, because contrast will prod you into
your greater clarity of desire, that is really the reason of this physical
format, we will talk about that in greater detail as it moves forward.
Contrast is essential to decision, but once the decision is made, if you
will turn your full attention to your decision and do your best to achieve a
vibrational match with that decision in very short order, the Universe will
go to work in helping you to achieve whatever it is that you are wanting.

We were talking with a woman on the telephone the other day about pure
thought and she couldn’t really understand what we were talking about. These
are difficult concepts when you are accustomed to just thinking about
whatever is flashed before you. In other words, most of you as you watch the
television, it is much easier just to just observe what someone is offering
to you rather than it is to close your eyes and offer your own projection of
thought . And so we were wanting to assist her in holding 17 seconds of pure
thought .

She had three very important issues that were troubling her;
financial issue and a health issue and a relationship issue . And we said to
her; “Leave those issues aside for a while, because those issues you have
practiced your negative thought about them so much, that as you now try to
practice positive thought it is still a watered down sort of process. We
said to her: ” Lets take three subjects that you do not already have a habit
of negative thought about”. Well, she couldn’t think of any. We said: “Just
three subjects, they do not have to be life changing subjects, just three
subjects that are of interest, but you do not have a negative habit about”.

Well, she still couldn’t think of anything so we said: “Lets talk about the
subject of blue glass”. She said: “What?!?” And we said: “Blue glass. You
know, some of it is clear and you can see through it. Some of it is muted or
frosted and you can’t see through it. Sometimes it is made into beautiful
chandeliers or beautiful windows, or beautiful vases. All kinds are made
from this beautiful clear or frosted blue glass”.

And then we talked about feathers for 17 seconds and butterflies for 17
seconds. And then the telephone call came to an end and Jerry and Esther
were in California, they were in San Diego and so they went to La Hoya for
lunch. And when they got out of the car, Jerry is walking down the street
toward George’s and Esther is walking into a shop and Jerry could not
understand why she was taking a detour and Esther did not really understand
it either, she just said: “Lets look in here”. And so they went in and deep
in the shop, Esther found a wall of the most amazing blue glass she had ever
seen in her life. Shelf after shelf after shelf of amazing sculptures made
of blue glass. Jerry did not understand why Esther was captivated by it
because he had not heard the call and Esther did not make the correlation
either.

And they didn’t buy anything, it wasn’t appropriate for their house, it was
just AMAZING blue glass! They had lunch and went to the park and as they
were entering the park, they were surrounded by a flurry of butterflies .
Esther still did not make the correlation. And as they were leaving about 15
minutes later, a little boy, an oriental boy, looked to be about two or
three years old, had found a little pigeons feather on the ground - and he
was holding it at his full extension of his arm running toward Esther to
show it to her.

And it was not until then, that Esther realized that in less than one hour
of ours spending 17 seconds together on those three subjects, that the
Universe had managed to deliver in DRAMATIC FASHION all three subjects . We
encourage you to play this game AND we encourage you to play the game in
threes. Because if you play it in one or two, you might be as Esther did and
miss it altogether. If you will play this game just a little bit by taking
subjects that are of slight interest, but most importantly, subjects that
are pure because you have no contradictory thought about them the Universe
will proof to you in two or three days time that it is utterly and
absolutely and ALWAYS responsive to your vibration. But the reason you do
not KNOW that the Universe is responsive to your vibration is because you
are saying: ” I want a new red car, but it is to expensive” and as the
Universe is responding to both vibrations, you end up with no change what so
ever. You are getting the sense of what we are talking about?

When you begin to offer your vibration purely , and you begin to see the
Universe responding to it in other words, if you will just play this game
for two or three days, two wonderful things will happen to you: The first
is; you will show yourself you have the ability to hold your mind on
something for 17 seconds. And if you can do it for the first 17, you can do
it for the second and the third and the fourth. And the other thing that
will happen is; you will give the opportunity to the Universe to show you
that it is utterly responsive to your vibration. You are going to learn that
you really are a beaming energy that is being responded to. And it is going
to give you a sense of control, it is going to give you a sense of being the
deliberate creator that you really are. Friends, that is why you are here!
You are creators!

But let us put that into very clear terms for you; you are creators MEANING
you are focusers of ENERGY . If you do not have the ability to hold a
thought, you cannot be a creator. You are not regurgitators, you did not
come forth to just observe all over the place and vibrate all over the
place. You came forth to direct energy! And by directing energy, you must
HOLD the thought! Now, how do you know how you are doing, in other words,
how do you know whether you are holding a thought or not? Well, you have to
get sensitive to the way that you are feeling because you can actually feel
the fluctuations of the vibrations within you. Your emotional guidance
system, in other words, the way you FEEL is the way you know how you are
doing! Imagine a room fan, one of those well made, heavy, expensive, heavy
duty room fans. And it is blowing air in your direction. And it is so well
made that even though you can feel the stream of air blowing toward you, you
can’t hear it, is is barely making any sound at all. Now stick your pencil
in the fan. Would cause quite a ruckus wouldn’t it? Well that pencil in the
fan, that is exactly what negative emotion is.

When you introduce a lower, slower vibration into a higher faster vibration,
you can feel the fluctuation of the energy. A pencil in the fan is an
extreme example of a fluctuation of energy, but that is exactly what
negative emotion is! When you have a desire, when you have thought about
something and you have brought yourself to a place of desire and then you
conclude; I can’t have that when you introduce that “I can’t have it”
thought to the higher faster frequency of desire, that disappointment or
negative emotion is your pencil in the fan. It is you introducing a lower,
slower vibration into a higher, faster frequency. You get the sense of what
we are talking about? As you begin to play with this have you ever noticed,
have you ever known someone where as the longer you talked to them, the
better you felt? It was just this friend, that when you got together, you
always got feeling good. You got silly, you had fun have you ever been with
anyone, usually it is when you are very young, usually about teenage years
is when this all stops, you get together with that group of people and they
are all in that happy vibration and you just play and play and play and
play, until you just parlade into an higher and higher vibration, until you
feel that there is nothing that you cannot do?

That is the feeling that we want you to reconnect with, we want you to
understand that if you could just hold a thought, any thought, for 17
seconds, it is going to COMBUST and give you that energy sensation! And as
you do this, as you begin to do it deliberately, and then you see the
Universe responding, you become creative things, you begin to then step into
the shoes that you intended when you decided to come forth ! You said: ” I
will go forth into this sea of contrast, this blessed contrast and out of
this contrast, it will be easy for me to come to a conclusion! And once I
reach a conclusion, then all I have to do is hold my thought in a similar
vibration to my conclusion and as I do that I will achieve a vibration
outpouring that the Universe will match! I am creator, you said.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2008, 05:32:48 PM »

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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2008, 09:04:01 AM »


"If you feel drawn to someone, but you are annoyed because you think that they are telling you some lies, try to look beyond the lies and try to focus upon the feeling. People offer all kinds of words for all kinds of different reasons. Most lies are offered to try to keep things in alignment. We're not encouraging it, but the motive behind lying is usually a pretty honorable motive. In other words, when a child lies to their parents, it's usually because they want to be free to do what they want to do, and they don't want their parents to be upset about it. It's about wanting an alignment. Physical ears have a hard time hearing this. You keep talking about "We need to be honest." And we say, we don't meet any of you who are honest. Even those who claim to be the most virtuous, are not honest, but your vibration always is. We would trust the feeling more than the words."

Excerpted from an Abraham workshop in Houston, TX on Saturday, January 13th, 2001
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2008, 01:21:19 PM »

If you can get past the channeling stuff, this is better than "the Secret":

http://abraham-hicks.com/mp3downloads.php
I listened to this stuff.

I need to get the 3/21 FTL show now. Anyone have it? I don't want all of march. I'm on dialup.
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Re: Law of Attraction
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« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2008, 05:26:32 PM »

As far as I can tell, all this says is "If you think about your goals and figure out how to reach them, you will."

No shit?
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2008, 12:38:59 PM »

As far as I can tell, all this says is "If you think about your goals and figure out how to reach them, you will."

No shit?

Yeah, that's the bottom line.

I think the whole thing at its best is designed to teach people that you should think about the things you want and focus on the results you want to acquire. I think we all know someone who just lets the winds of chance buffet them through life and complains about the results. The idea is that if you want someone from life you need to be able to clearly state that want and spend a little time clarifying it to yourself regularly so that you can measure your progress and stay on focus.

I guess people who accept this concept then like to consume more literature on it to remind themselves of what they already know and support their belief.

Where it gets carried away is when it turns into a pseudo-religion and becomes and end in itself.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2008, 01:24:01 PM »

that was some bad radio
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2008, 01:31:24 PM »

Wow. Mark, Ian and Sam are fucking nuts.
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2008, 07:18:51 PM »

common sense + bullshit = law of attraction
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Re: Law of Attraction
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2008, 02:37:24 AM »

This is frankly the most retarded bunch of bullshit I've ever heard on FTL. It seriously bothers me. Ian's credulity just destroys his credibility from the standpoint of rational discourse and logical argument, his enthusiasm for this superstitious bunch of hooey called "The Secret" seriously turns me off. Positive thinking doesn't change or create reality,  (only taking the necessary action to attain your goals does). If it did, Cheney would be right when he says "we create our own reality!" Mark seems to be getting more reasonable and consistent, adopting more and more radically anti-state and anti-violence positions (though he doesn't get science much at all). But this "Law of Attraction" stuff is a significant regression for Ian from where I sit. Blue feathers? Horse feathers!

Don't worry, Ian isn't as lost as one might think. He has simply misunderstood the concept and thinks it refers to psychology and cause and effect, and not pure magic.
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