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Title: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: AngryHateMusic on August 11, 2009, 07:16:16 PM
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I b yackin back to jean. I b white yo! y u b callin me black! Jus coz I split dem Lakers tickets and seldom fo fortify be meanin me to be black? I wanna be goin to dat game like dat otha cracka yo!


Remember Jean: Ebonics is fun, like jump-rope, swearing, or a pogostick. "Serious" is not a word embraced by the ebonic language. However "Israel" is: "Alonso tried to sell me a Rolex, I said Man, that looks fake. He said, No, ISRAEL."
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: KDus on August 13, 2009, 08:21:21 PM
There is a similar dialect spoken here in L.A. by Latinos. It's like Ebonics with some spanish. Bring yo chicas up to mi pad en the noche and we'll rage off the hook. I ain't even playin, yo. No whut I sayin, esay? Why you be trippin compa?
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on August 13, 2009, 08:44:41 PM
This is true.  Funny thing is I totally understand the Mexi-bonics a lot better than the black ebonics.  I grew up in LA.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Riddler on August 19, 2009, 09:12:41 PM
nigga, please
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 19, 2009, 11:50:36 PM
There is a similar dialect spoken here in L.A. by Latinos. It's like Ebonics with some spanish. Bring yo chicas up to mi pad en the noche and we'll rage off the hook. I ain't even playin, yo. No whut I sayin, esay? Why you be trippin compa?

It's called Spanglish.

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Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 20, 2009, 12:13:18 AM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible. 

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?



Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 12:34:22 AM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible.  

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?

Your question is silly. Too latino? You must not know very many frist generation latinos.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Riddler on August 20, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible.  

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?

Your question is silly. Too latino? You must not know very many frist generation latinos.


got to agree w/ brasky.
lopez is overly latino, if that's possible
everything ''latino'' is annoyingly exxaggerated w/ him...it's his entire act.
that & about a 1000 references to ''you white people''.
if he doesn't say that 300 times a show, he doesn't say it at all.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible.  

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?

Your question is silly. Too latino? You must not know very many frist generation latinos.


got to agree w/ brasky.
lopez is overly latino, if that's possible
everything ''latino'' is annoyingly exxaggerated w/ him...it's his entire act.
that & about a 1000 references to ''you white people''.
if he doesn't say that 300 times a show, he doesn't say it at all.


You probably dislike him because you don’t understand a lot of the jokes. He is coming from a completely different cultural background than you. You have to remember that unlike other minorities, there is a fresh influx of immigrants from latin American countries which refresh the latino culture in the U.S. constantly. And that is the world he is coming from, probably something that is really far removed from your everyday life so you think he is being too latino. But, he is actually spot on with a lot of his jokes in regard to Latino culture in the U.S. Sometimes I do act like what he portrays on stage and I always know exactly what he is talking about.  Most of his jokes describe people who are of the first generation born in America who have to synchronize the two cultures. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but he picks up on the idiosyncrasies very well, and they are all funny to watch all at once.  For me at least.

As for calling people white, it is what you would expect from a comedian whose material is culturally/racially based. When the jokes are told so only one culture can understand them, you are going to get an us and them mentality.

Back on the dialect topic. I have a hard time speaking Spanish without throwing in some English words. When I went to Spain I had a hard time because I don’t even speak Mexican Spanish, I spoke Spanglish so a lot of the times when talking with someone the other person would look at me as if I was from another planet because I would morph an English word to sound like a Spanish word. For instance: English word, ‘library’. Spanglish word ‘Libreria’. Spanish word Biblioteca. Another example English word ‘Car’. Spanglish word ‘Carro’. Spanish word ‘Coche’.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Changed My Mind on August 20, 2009, 03:21:13 PM
someone hit a nerve dissing George Lopez. 

I like Mexican comedy, that Carlos Mencia has great stuff. 

Oh wait he stole his jokes from jews.  That only proves he's smart enough to know where to go for good jokes.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 03:40:54 PM
someone hit a nerve dissing George Lopez.  

He is my idol.  :P

Along with Cantinflas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantinflas
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Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 03:45:04 PM
Don't try to stop me if I'm getting too Latino on you guys.  :lol:
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 20, 2009, 05:34:59 PM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible.  

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?

Your question is silly. Too latino? You must not know very many frist generation latinos.

If he can turn it on and off, which he can, its an act.  He is no more admirable than Larry The Cable Guy is to white people.  Guys like him and LarryTCG exaggerate social and racial stereotypes, which serves as role examples to the slow witted of the audience who think its cool or funny to emulate.  

I know four 1st gen Latinos.  The two professional ones hate shit like that.  Just met a fifth one the other day.  Ex-military, smart.  Wanna know what I noticed?  The more intelligent ones don't act all Latin Loco.  Isn't that fascinating?

Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Ecolitan on August 20, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
its an act.  
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george lopez is whiter than me on the inside.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 20, 2009, 06:20:48 PM

You probably dislike him because you don’t understand a lot of the jokes. He is coming from a completely different cultural background than you. You have to remember that unlike other minorities, there is a fresh influx of immigrants from latin American countries which refresh the latino culture in the U.S. constantly. And that is the world he is coming from, probably something that is really far removed from your everyday life so you think he is being too latino. But, he is actually spot on with a lot of his jokes in regard to Latino culture in the U.S. Sometimes I do act like what he portrays on stage and I always know exactly what he is talking about.  Most of his jokes describe people who are of the first generation born in America who have to synchronize the two cultures. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but he picks up on the idiosyncrasies very well, and they are all funny to watch all at once.  For me at least.

As for calling people white, it is what you would expect from a comedian whose material is culturally/racially based. When the jokes are told so only one culture can understand them, you are going to get an us and them mentality.


LOL.  We white idiots don't understand!  Anton understands, because he likes it well enough.  Or does he sit there laughing at shit he doesn't understand?

Sorry, bro.  But its not all that fuckin' deep.  
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 06:41:19 PM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.  I think he annoys me more than Mencia, which is theoretically impossible.  

Is there a spanglish word for a latino dude who acts way too latino, or have they not yet realized thats a travesty?

Your question is silly. Too latino? You must not know very many frist generation latinos.

If he can turn it on and off, which he can, its an act.  He is no more admirable than Larry The Cable Guy is to white people.  Guys like him and LarryTCG exaggerate social and racial stereotypes, which serves as role examples to the slow witted of the audience who think its cool or funny to emulate.  

I know four 1st gen Latinos.  The two professional ones hate shit like that.  Just met a fifth one the other day.  Ex-military, smart.  Wanna know what I noticed?  The more intelligent ones don't act all Latin Loco.  Isn't that fascinating?

No one said it wasn't an act, its comedy for crying out loud. All that matters is if it makes you laugh or not. All I'm saying is that you may not get all the jokes because it isn't your culture. And it may be a culture you have never seen before. All the people in the audience are not laughing because they don't know what he is talking about, there is truth in his comedy. Now that you are making me think about it, I don't even know how a white person could even watch his comedy. There seems to be a lot of inside jokes that I wouldn't think a white person would get.

Your description of your acquaintances is likely correct. Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  Also, I seriously have two different english accents and manurisms(sp?) I use when talking at work and when I'm at home.  The one I use at home with friends and family you would likely call "Latin Loco" It is the intelligent Latinos like your acquaintances that realize that in order to get ahead and make peace with the dual cultures they live in, they have to be able to turn it on and off.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 06:48:19 PM

You probably dislike him because you don’t understand a lot of the jokes. He is coming from a completely different cultural background than you. You have to remember that unlike other minorities, there is a fresh influx of immigrants from latin American countries which refresh the latino culture in the U.S. constantly. And that is the world he is coming from, probably something that is really far removed from your everyday life so you think he is being too latino. But, he is actually spot on with a lot of his jokes in regard to Latino culture in the U.S. Sometimes I do act like what he portrays on stage and I always know exactly what he is talking about.  Most of his jokes describe people who are of the first generation born in America who have to synchronize the two cultures. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but he picks up on the idiosyncrasies very well, and they are all funny to watch all at once.  For me at least.

As for calling people white, it is what you would expect from a comedian whose material is culturally/racially based. When the jokes are told so only one culture can understand them, you are going to get an us and them mentality.


LOL.  We white idiots don't understand!  Anton understands, because he likes it well enough.  Or does he sit there laughing at shit he doesn't understand?

Sorry, bro.  But its not all that fuckin' deep.  

Who said anything about idiots? I'm arguing against the fact that you called him too Latino.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Changed My Mind on August 20, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
racist comedians who use their race or someone else's to be their entire act seem to play to a niche market.  That works.  I tend to like those comedians that break out of that small demographic.   Sometimes it's hard to tell. . . I test it by turning on the comedian, and if he mentions his race in the first 10 minutes then I realize he's just working his crowd. 

there's just so much funny stuff.  I don't really get why more and more comedians seem to be going for this tactic (besides the obvious $)
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: AngryHateMusic on August 20, 2009, 09:08:03 PM
Your description of your acquaintances is likely correct. Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  Also, I seriously have two different english accents and manurisms(sp?) I use when talking at work and when I'm at home.  The one I use at home with friends and family you would likely call "Latin Loco" It is the intelligent Latinos like your acquaintances that realize that in order to get ahead and make peace with the dual cultures they live in, they have to be able to turn it on and off.


Yo u b da multi-culture supahero S'ay. Congratulations on being so diverse, although I just see a fake. You certainly put effort into making it a reality. When I play with different colored legos I don't talk to them differently.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 09:25:37 PM
racist comedians who use their race or someone else's to be their entire act seem to play to a niche market.  That works.  I tend to like those comedians that break out of that small demographic.   Sometimes it's hard to tell. . . I test it by turning on the comedian, and if he mentions his race in the first 10 minutes then I realize he's just working his crowd. 

there's just so much funny stuff.  I don't really get why more and more comedians seem to be going for this tactic (besides the obvious $)

You make a good point. The niche market is the key.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 09:36:42 PM
Your description of your acquaintances is likely correct. Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  Also, I seriously have two different english accents and manurisms(sp?) I use when talking at work and when I'm at home.  The one I use at home with friends and family you would likely call "Latin Loco" It is the intelligent Latinos like your acquaintances that realize that in order to get ahead and make peace with the dual cultures they live in, they have to be able to turn it on and off.


Yo u b da multi-culture supahero S'ay. Congratulations on being so diverse, although I just see a fake. You certainly put effort into making it a reality. When I play with different colored legos I don't talk to them differently.

Yeah I am a fake, and so is everyone else. You know you don't talk to women the same way you talk to a man, nor do you talk to your boss the same way you talk to your subordinates. You have to know your audiance, and if the audiances are really different from each other, you have to treat them different.

Talk to all your legos the same and you won't see that you are not suppose to talk to legos dummy, you are suppose to see how they are different and use them to build what you want.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Rillion on August 20, 2009, 10:21:28 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd. 
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 20, 2009, 10:23:23 PM

You probably dislike him because you don’t understand a lot of the jokes. He is coming from a completely different cultural background than you. You have to remember that unlike other minorities, there is a fresh influx of immigrants from latin American countries which refresh the latino culture in the U.S. constantly. And that is the world he is coming from, probably something that is really far removed from your everyday life so you think he is being too latino. But, he is actually spot on with a lot of his jokes in regard to Latino culture in the U.S. Sometimes I do act like what he portrays on stage and I always know exactly what he is talking about.  Most of his jokes describe people who are of the first generation born in America who have to synchronize the two cultures. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but he picks up on the idiosyncrasies very well, and they are all funny to watch all at once.  For me at least.

As for calling people white, it is what you would expect from a comedian whose material is culturally/racially based. When the jokes are told so only one culture can understand them, you are going to get an us and them mentality.


LOL.  We white idiots don't understand!  Anton understands, because he likes it well enough.  Or does he sit there laughing at shit he doesn't understand?

Sorry, bro.  But its not all that fuckin' deep.  

Who said anything about idiots? I'm arguing against the fact that you called him too Latino.

Him and Mencia, if they didn't have the ethnic thing working, they'd have nothing.  I don't know how many times I sat here and watched Mencia or Lopez, and thought to myself "Thank fucking god I'm not hispanic".  They make a complete fucking mockery out of it, it must totally suck to have someone flash "mencia" through their head when they meet you.  

I like women, but I don't care to hear those activist psychobitches trashing men for an hour.  I like black people, but some of their comedians and other celebs portray them in such an unflattering light, its no wonder they get the shit-end of the stick.  The only one I can think of that really makes an effort to NOT trash the "opposition" is Chappelle.  He's got class.  When he jokes about white people, he makes it positive.  The rest of 'em, they put whitey as the butt of jokes like The Boss, or The Stiff Nerd.  I'm white, doh-de-doh-de-doh.  Dur, white!  Hahaha, funny.  JUst once, I'd like to see a white comedian portray blacks or hispanics as really, unflatteringly stupid or lazy.  You know, the real stereotype they're likely to get pissed at.  (Chappelle to the rescue, he's the only one, again, that shows that unflattering stereotype on his own people and makes it hit the mark - where people wouldn't want to be perceived as that).  

The people who are lucky enough to gain media attention and be identified ethnically should be very sensitive to their rendering of the background they have.  They make it look shallow and stupid, and it tarnishes the whole.  Look at Carlos Santana.  He's in touch with his identity.  I would want to know that guy.  Mencia, I wouldn't swerve to avoid with a car.  He's a dickhead.  

I've seen funny hispanic comedians - Cheech and Chong were funny as hell.  And I've laughed at a few things Lopez and Mencia have said.  But overall, they are clownish, and I think a lot more people would be attracted to the act and thus get the message if they didn't ruin it with their histrionics.  They are professional comedians, they must have a billion jokes they can do.  But nope, its the same tired shit over and over and over and over and over.  Us, them, us, them.  Then, they get pissed when they get grouped.  Motherfuckers, you grouped yo'sef.  

Thinking about this stuff, I keep going back to Pryor.  He went to Africa and didn't see one single nigger.  His words, not mine.  Smartest fucking one-liner I ever heard anybody say about race.  
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 20, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd. 

I'm sure Dave will provide a better answer, but sometimes they like to exclude the gringos.  Tell 'em with a big bright smile you hablo a poco espanol.  They won't chatter around you so much. 
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: AngryHateMusic on August 20, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
Yeah I am a fake, and so is everyone else. You know you don't talk to women the same way you talk to a man, nor do you talk to your boss the same way you talk to your subordinates. You have to know your audiance, and if the audiances are really different from each other, you have to treat them different.

Talk to all your legos the same and you won't see that you are not suppose to talk to legos dummy, you are suppose to see how they are different and use them to build what you want.

Yes, you are a fake.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 11:16:36 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd. 

Honestly, I don't know. But one can be more efficient using smaller words from each language to get the point across faster. My only way of reasoning it is the fact that some latinos live in two different cultures at the same time, and they syncronise the two lauguages much like they syncronise their lives.(I know that sounds real deep but it what I have experienced.) Of course there are always different experiences, but this is the case for a lot of them. Spanglish is just the way that some people talk, and one just picks it up if you are around each other long enough. Kind of like slang I guess. Or a hand slap and knuckles with a buddy instead of a handshake. Makes you one of the cool kids.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 11:23:16 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd. 

I'm sure Dave will provide a better answer, but sometimes they like to exclude the gringos.  Tell 'em with a big bright smile you hablo a poco espanol.  They won't chatter around you so much. 

Brasky is right, sometimes people speak spanish to hide they are talking shit about you. I don't think there is anything new here. Except that they won't usually speak Spanglish, they will speak pure Spanish... if they can.

To make it more convincing tell them "Yo hablo un poco espanol" or "Yo intiendo un poco espanol"
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
Yeah I am a fake, and so is everyone else. You know you don't talk to women the same way you talk to a man, nor do you talk to your boss the same way you talk to your subordinates. You have to know your audiance, and if the audiances are really different from each other, you have to treat them different.

Talk to all your legos the same and you won't see that you are not suppose to talk to legos dummy, you are suppose to see how they are different and use them to build what you want.

Yes, you are a fake.

ok
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Rillion on August 20, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd.  

I'm sure Dave will provide a better answer, but sometimes they like to exclude the gringos.  Tell 'em with a big bright smile you hablo a poco espanol.  They won't chatter around you so much.  

Estoy una gringa que habla un poco Spanglish, gracias.  No entiendo mucho español, verdad, pero cuando alguien escribes en español, es mas fácil a leer y comprender.  Mi novio es muy mejor, así normalmente el hablas.  
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 20, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
No entiendo mucho español, verdad, pero cuando alguien escribes en español, es mas fácil a leer y comprender.  

Je suis le meme avec le Francais.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Rillion on August 21, 2009, 12:05:56 AM
No entiendo mucho español, verdad, pero cuando alguien escribes en español, es mas fácil a leer y comprender.  

Je suis le meme avec le Francais.

Well, you're well ahead of me anyway.   :)  Once I started trying to learn Danish my Spanish went down the toilet, and now I'm terrible at both of them.  It's embarrassing!
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on August 21, 2009, 12:43:15 AM
No entiendo mucho español, verdad, pero cuando alguien escribes en español, es mas fácil a leer y comprender.  

Je suis le meme avec le Francais.

Well, you're well ahead of me anyway.   :)  Once I started trying to learn Danish my Spanish went down the toilet, and now I'm terrible at both of them.  It's embarrassing!

Don't be embarrassed. Most people never try to learn a second language, let alone a third.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 21, 2009, 01:40:04 AM
I want to learn an East-Asian language so much it hurts, but there's no way I can justify it.

I also know Russian, but it's useless.

All you need is English, period.

Anything else is a waste of time.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 21, 2009, 09:02:42 PM
Just try to understand this, if one is a professional (as I am) you live in two very different worlds. A business world which contains mostly white people, and your close family and friends of the same cultural background. Of course, I'm not 100% positive, but I imagine the Latinos you know put a different face on for you than they do at home. So you get the less "Latin Loco" version as you call it. I think it is only natural. As for me, I have discussions on internet forums differently depending on where I am. If i'm here, I write in my business tone, if i'm in a Chicano forum, I write in Spanglish.  

Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd.  

I'm sure Dave will provide a better answer, but sometimes they like to exclude the gringos.  Tell 'em with a big bright smile you hablo a poco espanol.  They won't chatter around you so much.  

Estoy una gringa que habla un poco Spanglish, gracias.  No entiendo mucho español, verdad, pero cuando alguien escribes en español, es mas fácil a leer y comprender.  Mi novio es muy mejor, así normalmente el hablas.  

My spanish sucks, but I could understand that.  The ear is harder, because language is familiar babble, not like you would be taught in a formal setting. 

I use very familiar words, and few of them.  Phrase learning sounds stilted, like "may I use your restroom?"  which is probably why some frustrated latino dudes would say "toilet, bitch, now."  I could actually dig the difficulty of English as a second language.  It ain't easy.  Especially when you -maybe- haven't had a whole lot of school to familiarize you with the latin-english root phraseology. 

Do not attempt to teach me to ask for directions to the bano, or I will fuck your seester, the number four prostitute in all of mexistan. 
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: MacFall on August 24, 2009, 11:21:10 PM
I fuckin' can't stand George Lopez.

I can't stand racial humor in general, except in very small amounts. Jabbing at stereotypes is funny for a while, but after a few minutes a race routine always devolves into raw collectivism. There isn't enough irony (or shock value, for that matter) in the world to make the involuntary "We" funny to me.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: KDus on September 02, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
Here's my question, and it's an honest one:  Why not just speak English in some situations and Spanish in others?  I mean, I can understand slipping from one to another from time to time, but doing it deliberately just seems odd. 
I hear it day in and day out and I've actually asked about it. There have been 3 reasons stated. 1. Some feel it is rude to speak a language in company that doesn't understand it. 2. Some topics are easier to discuss or have better words in Spanish or English. 3. Some concepts or ideas are easier to relate with words that have a cultural basis; like describing a Mexican food recipe.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Harry Tuttle on September 02, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
My wife was born in Mexico. When she came to the US as a child she had trouble at school due to her lack of understanding of English. Now she is bilingual to the point that many people can't even tell she is Mexican.  My in-laws speak very little English but do their best with it. She is comfortable with her Mexican heritage and does not have any trouble with balancing both cultures - neither do I.

She does not like to be referred to as "latina" and doesn't use the word. She despises the word "chicano" which we generally take to be a glorification of street-gang culture.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on September 02, 2009, 11:01:51 PM
I used to drink Yukon Jack with a Mexichick who would chase it with a shot of Roses lime juice.  I think she was half Irish.  She didn't talk much, thats why I liked her.  Besides the hotness, and living at the bar.  And often being barefoot in the bar, which I also enjoyed.  We were barefoot bar buddies, she had nice tits.  I don't remember her name. 

Those Mexican bitches, they'll give ya the shirt off their back.  Just don't ask 'em to make fuckin' popcorn.

Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: KDus on September 04, 2009, 04:05:35 PM
I used to drink Yukon Jack with a Mexichick who would chase it with a shot of Roses lime juice.  I think she was half Irish.  She didn't talk much, thats why I liked her.  Besides the hotness, and living at the bar.  And often being barefoot in the bar, which I also enjoyed.  We were barefoot bar buddies, she had nice tits.  I don't remember her name. 

Those Mexican bitches, they'll give ya the shirt off their back.  Just don't ask 'em to make fuckin' popcorn.


Some Mexican guy here at work just tried to explain the virtues of pouring vinegar on my microwave popcorn.Fuck no.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Bill Brasky on September 04, 2009, 04:06:52 PM
That sounds horrid.

Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Riddler on September 04, 2009, 04:08:17 PM
I used to drink Yukon Jack with a Mexichick who would chase it with a shot of Roses lime juice.  I think she was half Irish.  She didn't talk much, thats why I liked her.  Besides the hotness, and living at the bar.  And often being barefoot in the bar, which I also enjoyed.  We were barefoot bar buddies, she had nice tits.  I don't remember her name. 

Those Mexican bitches, they'll give ya the shirt off their back.  Just don't ask 'em to make fuckin' popcorn.


Some Mexican guy here at work just tried to explain the virtues of pouring vinegar on my microwave popcorn.Fuck no.



the wife puts that shit on french fries.......
nasty
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on September 04, 2009, 04:09:57 PM
Now she is bilingual to the point that many people can't even tell she is Mexican. 

What age did she come to the US and does she have an accent at all?
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on September 04, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
I used to drink Yukon Jack with a Mexichick who would chase it with a shot of Roses lime juice.  I think she was half Irish.  She didn't talk much, thats why I liked her.  Besides the hotness, and living at the bar.  And often being barefoot in the bar, which I also enjoyed.  We were barefoot bar buddies, she had nice tits.  I don't remember her name. 

Those Mexican bitches, they'll give ya the shirt off their back.  Just don't ask 'em to make fuckin' popcorn.


Some Mexican guy here at work just tried to explain the virtues of pouring vinegar on my microwave popcorn.Fuck no.

Never heard of vinegar in popcorn before... Usually Mexicans go ape shit by putting salt and lemon on everything.

I prefer to put M&Ms in it while it is still warm.

So delicious!!
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: Harry Tuttle on September 04, 2009, 04:24:48 PM

What age did she come to the US and does she have an accent at all?
Age 4. No discernable accent. In fact I sometimes catch her mispronouncing a Spanish word if it is used in an English-language context.

A common example of this here in SoCal is San Pedro being pronounced "San Peedro" instead of "San Paydro". Even hispanics I know pronounce it that way when talking about the city.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on September 04, 2009, 04:56:13 PM

What age did she come to the US and does she have an accent at all?
Age 4. No discernable accent. In fact I sometimes catch her mispronouncing a Spanish word if it is used in an English-language context.

A common example of this here in SoCal is San Pedro being pronounced "San Peedro" instead of "San Paydro". Even hispanics I know pronounce it that way when talking about the city.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier when I said I have different accents depending on who I am talking to. I'm sure she knows the correct pronunciation but she changes it base on who she is talking to. If she were talking to her parents she would no doubt say it correctly.
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: MacFall on September 04, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
lol, that would be like me going down to Mexico and pronouncing my home "Peetsberg".
Title: Re: it b called Ebonics!
Post by: CaL DaVe on September 05, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
lol, that would be like me going down to Mexico and pronouncing my home "Peetsberg".

Yup.