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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: caffeineespressolounge on September 09, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
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I continue to hear Ian blame his girlfriend for his continued payment of property taxes stating that "she's" scared he might lose his house as if he were single he'd never pay those taxes. Why cop out and blame her? Ian, it's ok that you're scared of losing your home. It's why we all continue to pay taxes in one way or another. We're scared of the consequences. There's no need to hide behind your girlfriend man. Be bigger than that.
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What do you mean scared of losing? He WILL lose it.
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What do you mean scared of losing? He WILL lose it.
I agree with you. But why hide behind his girlfriend on the air? I pay my property taxes for the same reason! But I don't say it's because my wife is scared of losing our home. It's because I'm scared of losing our home. If I were single and living in my home the answer would be the same. I certainly wouldn't hide behind my girlfriend or wife. That's a cop-out. No one would think less of Ian if he simply said "I'm afraid of losing my home to the Feds if I don't pay my property taxes". Instead of "Well, my girlfirend is afraid the Feds would take my home otherwise I'd definitely stop paying my property taxes".
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I don't listen to the show, so this is the first time I've heard about it. And if it's true, that's a pretty shitty thing to do. Ian sounds like he's starting to go overboard, with this,the name change business, and the whole Law of Attraction BS.
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I don't listen to the show, so this is the first time I've heard about it. And if it's true, that's a pretty shitty thing to do. Ian sounds like he's starting to go overboard, with this,the name change business, and the whole Law of Attraction BS.
I get it via Itunes as its not here in WI where I now live. My only issue at all is that he's not man enough to simply say that he's the one that's scared of losing his home. We're all afraid to some extent for "not obeying" are we not? I would not say you're any less of a man for stating this. But for some reason, at least while on the air, Ian continues to insist that the only reason he's paying property taxes now is because his girlfriend Julia is scared that he may lose his home. Hiding behind her is weak and a man in his position should at least acknowledge the fear we all face day to day as we try to figure out how to get our country back, especially his own fear. Is he afraid he'll somehow look weak? I don't understand it. Alone we're all weak.
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I don't know.
I think Ian is afraid of losing his home, but I think he's willing to do it too.
This year I was ready to not pay their federal and state income taxes, but my wife filled out the forms and sent it in. One can be willing to take a risk, but accept that other's aren't willing to.
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I don't know.
I think Ian is afraid of losing his home, but I think he's willing to do it too.
Than why not just admit that? Hiding behind Julia makes no sense to me. I have heard this from Ian many many times on the show and he continues to state that the reason he doesn't pay his property taxes is because Julia won't allow him not to because she's scared of Ian losing his home. I think that's a cop-out and makes him look like a pussy in my estimation.
We're all, on some level, afraid of not paying our taxes. There's no shame in that. If you do not pay taxes the Feds are going to make your life as miserable as possible and possibly imprison you. I'm going to abstain from paying my business's Social Security taxes this year but I would not say that I continue to pay my own property taxes because my wife is scared for me. I'm paying my property taxes because I'm scared!
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I'm not scared. It's just money. I'll get more.
But I won't get another Julia. So, call me a pussy if it makes you feel good.
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I think Ian is afraid of losing his home, but I think he's willing to do it too.
If Ian wanted to do something for freedom, he would sell his house and give me the money for my little project instead of letting the goverment take the whole thing. Otherwise it's a lot of money to spend on 15 minutes of fame and a broken relatioship with Julia.
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I'm not scared. It's just money. I'll get more.
But I won't get another Julia. So, call me a pussy if it makes you feel good.
Ian, that's not a pot-shot man. Are you seriously telling me that you'd be boycotting your property taxes if you weren't in a relationship with Julia?! So...if it were ever to happen (not saying one way or the other) that you two break up you're going to abstain from paying your property taxes?
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I think Ian is afraid of losing his home, but I think he's willing to do it too.
If Ian wanted to do something for freedom, he would sell his house and give me the money for my little project instead of letting the goverment take the whole thing. Otherwise it's a lot of money to spend on 15 minutes of fame and a broken relatioship with Julia.
If Ian stopped paying his property taxes I'm quite sure that money would be better spent on FTL and the Free State Project than on your pant-less wrestling association....Boner.
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I'm not scared. It's just money. I'll get more.
But I won't get another Julia. So, call me a pussy if it makes you feel good.
Ian, that's not a pot-shot man. Are you seriously telling me that you'd be boycotting your property taxes if you weren't in a relationship with Julia?! So...if it were ever to happen (not saying one way or the other) that you two break up you're going to abstain from paying your property taxes?
Yep, but that's not likely to happen, so I'll have to wait until we get 5 property owners in Keene willing to do it together. Those are her terms.
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your pant-less wrestling association....Boner.
LOL, stay tuned.
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your pant-less wrestling association....Boner.
LOL, stay tuned.
Just f'in with ya brutha :wink:
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Yep, but that's not likely to happen, so I'll have to wait until we get 5 property owners in Keene willing to do it together. Those are her terms.
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Fair enough Ian. If you say it would be so than I have no reason not to believe you. It just comes across, at times, like you're "hiding" behind her because of the very real consequences you may face if you indeed would stop paying property taxes. I pay mine because I am afraid "they" will steal my home from me or put me in prison. My first real act of "disobedience" is going to be to not file the Social Security taxes for my business this year. I don't know what will happen but I'm willing to risk my business to find out.
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Awesome.
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Awesome.
I suppose the "pussy" thing was a little harsh huh? I could've worded that a little more appropriately I suppose. Sorry to offend. It's just that hearing you say it's about Julia sounds a like a cop-out. My cousin and I listen in regularly (and then blog about it to the normal freedom naives) and this point has been made numerous times on your show by you and he and I were talking about it today (I think you mentioned it again last night). Saying you pay your property taxes because she's the one that's afraid of the consequences and "won't let you not pay them" comes across as a little weak my friend. You could just as easily say you're paying your property taxes because you don't want to lose your home and no one would think any less of you and would probably empathize with you(like my usage of the word empathize there?). But, if the real reason if because of Julia than so be it. If you say you'd stop paying property taxes if she weren't around than I believe you.
On a side note, are there any "Pro-Liberty" coffeeshops in Keene?
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Than why not just admit that? Hiding behind Julia makes no sense to me.
Perhaps this will make it a little more clear... Have you ever been skydiving or riden a roller coaster? Those things are fucking scary. But most people still do them. That's kind of the point.
There is a risk Ian will lose his home. I think he knows that and does not want that to happen. That said, given that risk, I think he would still be willing to do it. The factor that makes his decision is not his fear, therefore he explains the factors that do. This is simply common sense, so I figure it doesn't need explanation. If something didn't pose some sort of risk, there would be very little gain once the investment matures.
It's well understood that Julia will not dematerialize the moment government people seize Ian's house, so it can be assumed that rather than "Julia" being the impetus, "my relationship with Julia" would be.
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Why would Julia stop dating Ian if the government takes his home for not paying property taxes? Why would Ian be afraid of losing her as a girlfriend if he were forced into renting an apartment per se? I'm sure Julia would stand by him in whatever decisions Ian choses to make with his own life and property and if she does not than it is better for him to find this out sooner rather than later is it not?
According to Ian he is paying his property taxes because Julia wants him to not because he's afraid of losing his home or as you state because he's afraid of losing his relationship with her. This perplexes me even more! Certainly Julia is not so shallow as to up and leave Ian if he were to stop paying his property taxes so why would he be afraid of that? And if he is than it should speak volumes to his common sense indicator.
I agree with Ian 100% that something so bold should be done with others as a group and not as an individual. Strength against government is always in the numbers.
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my girl won't let me move to Keene. So I'm stuck in the Seacoast area for now, possibly manchester area once things get settled. I'd like to be in the upper regions before I'm 50.
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Why would Julia stop dating Ian if the government takes his home for not paying property taxes?
Because it's her home too? Now, I don't know Julia and know less of Julia and Ian's relationship but I pretty much assume that they're married in everything buy name because of that whole "Keep the state the fuck out of our lives" thing. So yeah, I'd venture to guess that Ian's refusal to pay taxes would result in Julia getting her home seized and I can see why she'd not want that.
This perplexes me even more! Certainly Julia is not so shallow as to up and leave Ian if he were to stop paying his property taxes so why would he be afraid of that?
Again, goes back to that whole "I don't know the extent of their relationship" but being married myself, I'll assume that they're committed to each other and building a life together. With that in mind, she's not just a girlfriend crashing at his place, but part of the "crew" that runs a household. I'm willing to bet that both Ian and Julia consider the property to be "home" even though only Ian's name is on the tax threat.
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I don't blame him, or Julia, for paying taxes. I know a couple of libertarians who married some years ago. He refused to pay income tax, and so they came after him--and her. She lost everything she had, and even though they are now divorced, the IRS continues to harass her.
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Why would Julia stop dating Ian if the government takes his home for not paying property taxes?
Because it's her home too? Now, I don't know Julia and know less of Julia and Ian's relationship but I pretty much assume that they're married in everything buy name because of that whole "Keep the state the fuck out of our lives" thing. So yeah, I'd venture to guess that Ian's refusal to pay taxes would result in Julia getting her home seized and I can see why she'd not want that.
This perplexes me even more! Certainly Julia is not so shallow as to up and leave Ian if he were to stop paying his property taxes so why would he be afraid of that?
Again, goes back to that whole "I don't know the extent of their relationship" but being married myself, I'll assume that they're committed to each other and building a life together. With that in mind, she's not just a girlfriend crashing at his place, but part of the "crew" that runs a household. I'm willing to bet that both Ian and Julia consider the property to be "home" even though only Ian's name is on the tax threat.
I will assume you're correct here and that they're more or less married. My issue is not with the paying of the property taxes but the perceived cop-out behind blaming Julia for his doing so. If she's stated "You don't pay property taxes and I'm out of here" than I can understand why Ian would continue to pay them...but why would Julia ask this of a man so obviously against such a thing? A man she quite obviously knows is against such a thing and has been since she's known him. He stated in this forum that if it weren't for her he would not pay property taxes on his home. So the only thing preventing him from doing this is Julia? I find that hard to believe. I don't think she'd prevent him from doing anything that involved Ian "protesting" government involvement in his life as it seems obvious to me that that is precisely what his life has become about. But I may be, and have been, wrong.
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Why would Julia stop dating Ian if the government takes his home for not paying property taxes?
Because it's her home too? Now, I don't know Julia and know less of Julia and Ian's relationship but I pretty much assume that they're married in everything buy name because of that whole "Keep the state the fuck out of our lives" thing. So yeah, I'd venture to guess that Ian's refusal to pay taxes would result in Julia getting her home seized and I can see why she'd not want that.
This perplexes me even more! Certainly Julia is not so shallow as to up and leave Ian if he were to stop paying his property taxes so why would he be afraid of that?
Again, goes back to that whole "I don't know the extent of their relationship" but being married myself, I'll assume that they're committed to each other and building a life together. With that in mind, she's not just a girlfriend crashing at his place, but part of the "crew" that runs a household. I'm willing to bet that both Ian and Julia consider the property to be "home" even though only Ian's name is on the tax threat.
I will assume you're correct here and that they're more or less married. My issue is not with the paying of the property taxes but the perceived cop-out behind blaming Julia for his doing so. If she's stated "You don't pay property taxes and I'm out of here" than I can understand why Ian would continue to pay them...but why would Julia ask this of a man so obviously against such a thing? A man she quite obviously knows is against such a thing and has been since she's known him. He stated in this forum that if it weren't for her he would not pay property taxes on his home. So the only thing preventing him from doing this is Julia? I find that hard to believe. I don't think she'd prevent him from doing anything that involved Ian "protesting" government involvement in his life as it seems obvious to me that that is precisely what his life has become about. But I may be, and have been, wrong.
Why do you keep repeating yourself over and over and over again?
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I don't blame him, or Julia, for paying taxes. I know a couple of libertarians who married some years ago. He refused to pay income tax, and so they came after him--and her. She lost everything she had, and even though they are now divorced, the IRS continues to harass her.
I'm not blaming him for paying his property taxes but for stating on his show repeatedly that his reason for doing so is because his girlfriend makes him.
I pay my property taxes because I'm afraid of losing my home and going to prison. Admitting that was not difficult for me. Notice how I did not state that it was my wife preventing me from boycotting my property taxes but that it was my own fear of the consequences for not doing so? Now, if my wife told me if I stopped paying property taxes she'd leave me than I'd question whether or not my wife knew me at all. But...to each his own. Ian came on the forum and openly discussed this with us and I consider it squashed.
The mere fact that he's promoting liberty to more people on a daily basis than all of us combined leaves me wondering whether or not the poll was even necessary. Just something my cousin and I were throwing around earlier today and thought I'd bounce it off all you damn liberty-lovin' peaceniks! :mrgreen:
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Why would Julia stop dating Ian if the government takes his home for not paying property taxes?
Because it's her home too? Now, I don't know Julia and know less of Julia and Ian's relationship but I pretty much assume that they're married in everything buy name because of that whole "Keep the state the fuck out of our lives" thing. So yeah, I'd venture to guess that Ian's refusal to pay taxes would result in Julia getting her home seized and I can see why she'd not want that.
This perplexes me even more! Certainly Julia is not so shallow as to up and leave Ian if he were to stop paying his property taxes so why would he be afraid of that?
Again, goes back to that whole "I don't know the extent of their relationship" but being married myself, I'll assume that they're committed to each other and building a life together. With that in mind, she's not just a girlfriend crashing at his place, but part of the "crew" that runs a household. I'm willing to bet that both Ian and Julia consider the property to be "home" even though only Ian's name is on the tax threat.
I will assume you're correct here and that they're more or less married. My issue is not with the paying of the property taxes but the perceived cop-out behind blaming Julia for his doing so. If she's stated "You don't pay property taxes and I'm out of here" than I can understand why Ian would continue to pay them...but why would Julia ask this of a man so obviously against such a thing? A man she quite obviously knows is against such a thing and has been since she's known him. He stated in this forum that if it weren't for her he would not pay property taxes on his home. So the only thing preventing him from doing this is Julia? I find that hard to believe. I don't think she'd prevent him from doing anything that involved Ian "protesting" government involvement in his life as it seems obvious to me that that is precisely what his life has become about. But I may be, and have been, wrong.
Why do you keep repeating yourself over and over and over again?
For some reason I feel like I need a translator today and who better to translate my verbage than me?
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My issue is not with the paying of the property taxes but the perceived cop-out behind blaming Julia for his doing so.
Ian doesn't blame Julia. That would be less "cop-out" and more "childish". "I wanna refuse to pay taxes but she won't let me *throw toy*" isn't what he's doing. Saying "Being kicked out of the house would cause upset to Julia and I don't want to cause upset to Julia" is what he's saying (again, I've explained that whole "we all understand so it doesn't need to be stated flat out" thing) and I think it's a valid reason not to do something.
And to further than even more, Ian has expressed it clearly. Julia isn't worried over being thrown out of the house per se, she's worried about being thrown out of the house for useless reasons. One person is a tax resister but ten people is a movement. I recall Ian putting out a call for ten other people (for property tax resistance AND freedom to travel activism) so that Julia would feel more comfortable with the idea.
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I agree with him, and you, there. Not paying your property taxes is not a step to be taken lightly and is always best to exercise this kind of "disobedience" with a multitude of others. I am having a hard time believing there aren't more home owners in the Keene area willing to join Ian in this regard. Out of the roughly 25,000 residents in Keene we can get together a dozen or so to take a stand like this?
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My issue is not with the paying of the property taxes but the perceived cop-out behind blaming Julia for his doing so.
Ian doesn't blame Julia. That would be less "cop-out" and more "childish". "I wanna refuse to pay taxes but she won't let me *throw toy*" isn't what he's doing. Saying "Being kicked out of the house would cause upset to Julia and I don't want to cause upset to Julia" is what he's saying (again, I've explained that whole "we all understand so it doesn't need to be stated flat out" thing) and I think it's a valid reason not to do something.
And to further than even more, Ian has expressed it clearly. Julia isn't worried over being thrown out of the house per se, she's worried about being thrown out of the house for useless reasons. One person is a tax resister but ten people is a movement. I recall Ian putting out a call for ten other people (for property tax resistance AND freedom to travel activism) so that Julia would feel more comfortable with the idea.
As par usual, Kevin hits the nail right on the head.
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I'm not scared. It's just money. I'll get more.
But I won't get another Julia. So, call me a pussy if it makes you feel good.
Awwwwwww
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Ian, god dammit... It's not just the damn money! Ed is in Marion, IL at the state penitentiary. They won't think twice about throwing you in there. I don't want to see you ending up in the license plate making department.
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As par usual, Kevin Rose hits the nail right on the head.
Welcome to the forums, fagot! Could you pick a more shadier user-name?
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I think the primary issue is that, as far as I know, Ian has never really spoken about this on his show other than to say he's paying property taxes because Julia wants him to. You'd have to be crazy to stop paying property taxes on your own without at least a small army of others willing to do the same. Any power you have when standing against the Feds is always in your numbers. I don't think the general listening public understands Ian's relationship with Julia(married?, living together?, etc) so when he says he's paying his property taxes because she said to it can be seen as a way to avoid having to stand up to the Feds when it comes to something drastic and using her as a shield to avoid putting himself and his property on the line for liberty and so on and so forth. Not paying a fine for having a couch in your yard is nowhere close to being on par with avoiding paying your taxes. My initial perception on this was that Ian was using Julia as a scapegoat for paying his property taxes. He's stated otherwise in this forum. Case closed.
I really can't believe we can't organize more property owners in the Keene area to stop paying their property taxes together as a whole.
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I really can't believe we can't organize more property owners in the Keene area to stop paying their property taxes together as a whole.
The numbers don't matter. You're on gang territory and they aren't afraid to use force on the ones pissing them off.
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As par usual, Kevin Rose hits the nail right on the head.
Welcome to the forums, fagot! Could you pick a more shadier user-name?
Pardon?
What is shady about the word militant?
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Pardon?
What is shady about the word militant?
YOU are shady. Get it, stupid?
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I just love how everyone else is so brave about Ian losing his home...and I'll bet every one of the brave souls pays taxes.
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I just love how everyone else is so brave about Ian losing his home...and I'll bet every one of the brave souls pays taxes.
Yeah, I pay their taxes. It's done so that fagots like Militant and his gang of scum don't come to my house and throw me down to Marion, IL with Ed. I don't feel like making license plates.
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I really can't believe we can't organize more property owners in the Keene area to stop paying their property taxes together as a whole.
The numbers don't matter. You're on gang territory and they aren't afraid to use force on the ones pissing them off.
After watching the conventions in Denver and St.Paul I don't doubt you for a second. But the discussion on who's property it really is had to start being made by every one of us. If our property is our own than not protecting it against the government with the same ferocity as if it were a foreign invader coming to steal it from us is immoral. None of us would stand as chance against an invading party on our own. But if an entire neighborhood stood together any invading entity would have a much harder battle to fight.
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I just love how everyone else is so brave about Ian losing his home...and I'll bet every one of the brave souls pays taxes.
We all pay taxes. Who are you kidding? Those that don't are standing in the ass-rape line next to Jizzy's buddy in Illinois or living a Thoreau lifestyle in the backwoods of Wyoming living off of squirrel meat and working on their human hair suit.
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It's done so that fagots like Militant and his gang of scum don't come to my house and throw me down to Marion, IL with Ed.
Got any data to back up that assertion? Without it, it really does look like you're merely tossing out insults and generally looking stupid, which is just fine if that's what you wanna do, but at least we can take it as a matter of course. :)
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I just love how everyone else is so brave about Ian losing his home...and I'll bet every one of the brave souls pays taxes.
We all pay taxes. Who are you kidding? Those that don't are standing in the ass-rape line next to Jizzy's buddy in Illinois or living a Thoreau lifestyle in the backwoods of Wyoming living off of squirrel meat and working on their human hair suit.
Me? I'm not kidding anyone. I'm making an observation about a hypocritical group calling Ian a pussy.
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It's done so that fagots like Militant and his gang of scum don't come to my house and throw me down to Marion, IL with Ed.
Got any data to back up that assertion? Without it, it really does look like you're merely tossing out insults and generally looking stupid, which is just fine if that's what you wanna do, but at least we can take it as a matter of course. :)
When someone comes here with a name like, "Millitant" they're obviously up to some shady shit. I don't need data, I've got an instinct for bullshit and I'm not afraid to use it.
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It's done so that fagots like Militant and his gang of scum don't come to my house and throw me down to Marion, IL with Ed.
Got any data to back up that assertion? Without it, it really does look like you're merely tossing out insults and generally looking stupid, which is just fine if that's what you wanna do, but at least we can take it as a matter of course. :)
How he came to the conclusion that I have a gang of scum I do not know. I wonder if somebody with a gang of scum would have an amplifier account... Ian needs to get onto updating that.
Oh well, every message board has some idiots. Thankfully this one seems to have less per capita, or so I thought.
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When someone comes here with a name like, "Millitant" they're obviously up to some shady shit. I don't need data, I've got an instinct for bullshit and I'm not afraid to use it.
I've gotten an indicator that somethign might be suspiscious too, but I tend to reserve judgement until patterns emerge.
Oh well, every message board has some idiots. Thankfully this one seems to have less per capita, or so I thought.
You must not be a member of many forums. :S This forum is hands down filled with the most idiotic crap I've ever seen, with one possible exception.
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It's done so that fagots like Militant and his gang of scum don't come to my house and throw me down to Marion, IL with Ed.
Got any data to back up that assertion? Without it, it really does look like you're merely tossing out insults and generally looking stupid, which is just fine if that's what you wanna do, but at least we can take it as a matter of course. :)
How he came to the conclusion that I have a gang of scum I do not know. I wonder if somebody with a gang of scum would have an amplifier account... Ian needs to get onto updating that.
Oh well, every message board has some idiots. Thankfully this one seems to have less per capita, or so I thought.
Ooooooo you have an AMPlifier account! Are my taxes paying for that shit, dog fucker? (I'm ok with it if they do.)
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Bureaucrats don't fuck dogs, they shoot them.
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Oh well, every message board has some idiots. Thankfully this one seems to have less per capita, or so I thought.
You must not be a member of many forums. :S This forum is hands down filled with the most idiotic crap I've ever seen, with one possible exception.
It's because he's busy beating the shit out of protesters. Militant indeed.
Bureaucrats don't fuck dogs, they shoot them.
Maybe they shoot them and THEN fuck them?
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This forum is hands down filled with the most idiotic crap I've ever seen, with one possible exception.
Yeah, I've quickly figured that out pretty quick. I am however left to wonder what my ultimate plan could possibly consist of. I shall post on this message board, with everybody unaware of my secret liberty hating views. I shall gain their trust on this message board of all things... and then... I will destroy the liberty movement by informing my superiors of some crackpot calling his car a fucking vessel. YOU WON'T GET AWAY WITH THAT NOW THAT I'M HERE~!
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Ian, god dammit... It's not just the damn money! Ed is in Marion, IL at the state penitentiary. They won't think twice about throwing you in there. I don't want to see you ending up in the license plate making department.
LOL, you're going to be saying this to me in 9 months..
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I am however left to wonder what my ultimate plan could possibly consist of. I shall post on this message board, with everybody unaware of my secret liberty hating views.
If you're a Fed, take this as notice that "we're onto you". If you're not a fed, take this as an educational experience into the tactics of Feds.
http://sugarfreak.typepad.com/mobtownshank/2008/07/md-state-police.html
http://codshit.blogspot.com/2007/08/undercover-cops-tried-to-incite.html
http://www.citypages.com/2008-05-21/news/moles-wanted/
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I am however left to wonder what my ultimate plan could possibly consist of. I shall post on this message board, with everybody unaware of my secret liberty hating views.
If you're a Fed, take this as notice that "we're onto you". If you're not a fed, take this as an educational experience into the tactics of Feds.
http://sugarfreak.typepad.com/mobtownshank/2008/07/md-state-police.html
http://codshit.blogspot.com/2007/08/undercover-cops-tried-to-incite.html
http://www.citypages.com/2008-05-21/news/moles-wanted/
Are you all really that fucking paranoid? Really? Christ.
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Ian, god dammit... It's not just the damn money! Ed is in Marion, IL at the state penitentiary. They won't think twice about throwing you in there. I don't want to see you ending up in the license plate making department.
LOL, you're going to be saying this to me in 9 months..
GAH! Damn it, Boner... :x
Who's dicks do I have to suck and who's vagoos do I have to lick around here to get you people to stop acting all crazy and shit?!
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I am however left to wonder what my ultimate plan could possibly consist of. I shall post on this message board, with everybody unaware of my secret liberty hating views.
If you're a Fed, take this as notice that "we're onto you". If you're not a fed, take this as an educational experience into the tactics of Feds.
http://sugarfreak.typepad.com/mobtownshank/2008/07/md-state-police.html
http://codshit.blogspot.com/2007/08/undercover-cops-tried-to-incite.html
http://www.citypages.com/2008-05-21/news/moles-wanted/
Are you all really that fucking paranoid? Really? Christ.
Nice quip, but, it's not paranoia if they are out to get you.
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Are you all really that fucking paranoid? Really? Christ.
Well with a name like Millitant... Ya know... Eh?
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
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Are you all really that fucking paranoid? Really? Christ.
Yes and no. I'm quite sure I am on some watch list somewhere. I'm also quite sure that I live in America, and I no longer actually have to DO anything in order to get put on one of those lists, so I simply don't worry about it.
But yes, some people are actually scared shitless of that.
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Get an tax abatement and own your house now?
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Those are her terms.
I wonder if Ian signed a contract with Julia to be her slave. :p
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
..let me write that down. Can I have your name including middle initial.
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
..let me write that down. Can I have your name including middle initial.
Just like a lazy fucking bureaucrat not to try to get others to do his work for him.
Addendum: not -> not
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Who's dicks do I have to suck and who's vagoos do I have to lick around here to get you people to stop acting all crazy and shit?!
Is it crazy to attempt to be free?
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Get an tax abatement and own your house now?
no. I could never beg for an abatement....and Freedom Mortgage is gunna own it.
I don't think I want to own property in this country.
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Are you all really that fucking paranoid? Really? Christ.
Yes and no. I'm quite sure I am on some watch list somewhere. I'm also quite sure that I live in America, and I no longer actually have to DO anything in order to get put on one of those lists, so I simply don't worry about it.
But yes, some people are actually scared shitless of that.
That's rather sad.
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Who's dicks do I have to suck and who's vagoos do I have to lick around here to get you people to stop acting all crazy and shit?!
Is it crazy to attempt to be free?
I think it's crazy if the outcome is worse than what you began with.
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I just love how everyone else is so brave about Ian losing his home...and I'll bet every one of the brave souls pays taxes.
We all pay taxes. Who are you kidding? Those that don't are standing in the ass-rape line next to Jizzy's buddy in Illinois or living a Thoreau lifestyle in the backwoods of Wyoming living off of squirrel meat and working on their human hair suit.
Me? I'm not kidding anyone. I'm making an observation about a hypocritical group calling Ian a pussy.
Hypocritical? Have you read any part of this thread or do you just enjoy seeing your words on a screen?
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Are you homeless and destitute?
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Ian, thanks for clearing all this up on the show last night. I appreciate you explaining it a little more in detail for everyone out there.
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Are you homeless and destitute?
No. I decided to become a dirty renter again and have a six figure salary.
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Are you homeless and destitute?
No. I decided to become a dirty renter again and have a six figure salary.
Essentially, even property owners are just lowly dirty renters from the government.
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I stopped paying my property taxes....and mortgage :lol:
Are you homeless and destitute?
No. I decided to become a dirty renter again and have a six figure salary.
Essentially, even property owners are just lowly dirty renters from the government.
Pretty much.
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As I understand it, Julia's objection to me not paying is the same one that prevents every other property owner from disobeying:
She likes her life as it is and would rather not have govt goons come upset it if she can avoid it.
It's frustrating to me, but I can understand it.
The only other FSP property owner in Keene is Varrin, and he's got a family, so it's even less likely he'd join in.
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There's also the fact that very few homeowners have paid off their mortgage. You can call me crazy for wanting to go it alone - it wouldn't be the first time I've been called it.
Some people think I'm crazy for doing my show, or saying I don't pay federal taxes. No one ever got anywhere without risk, and nothing worth doing is easy. Being comfortable is nice, but I'd rather be free. I'm willing to spend all my money and time getting there. What else do I have to do with my life? I've got a beautiful lady, a nice place to live, and am surrounded by wonderful people. Time to make a stand.
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As I understand it, Julia's objection to me not paying is the same one that prevents every other property owner from disobeying:
She likes her life as it is and would rather not have govt goons come upset it if she can avoid it.
It's frustrating to me, but I can understand it.
The only other FSP property owner in Keene is Varrin, and he's got a family, so it's even less likely he'd join in.
Well, and let's be honest Ian....that's a MONSTER step. And not one to be taken likely. Not paying taxes is about as firm a stand as one could make at trying to distance yourself from governmental control and it's one they are not going to take likely (ie; take your home, throw you in prison, etc). I completely understand you wanting others by your side before even attempting such a thing which is precisely what the FSP is all about.....numbers. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier (better?) to attempt to instigate the same pro-liberty ideas in each state independently however. It seems to me, and I may be and have been wrong, that many seem to love the idea of liberty but are necessarily willing to move to NH for the cause (for whatever reason they may have....I've been working on my wife for months now). How could we replicate what is happening in NH in each and every state? Any ideas?
Also, what's the coffeeshop scene like in NH and Keene? Are there pro-liberty cafes in the area?
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There's also the fact that very few homeowners have paid off their mortgage. You can call me crazy for wanting to go it alone - it wouldn't be the first time I've been called it.
Some people think I'm crazy for doing my show, or saying I don't pay federal taxes. No one ever got anywhere without risk, and nothing worth doing is easy. Being comfortable is nice, but I'd rather be free. I'm willing to spend all my money and time getting there. What else do I have to do with my life? I've got a beautiful lady, a nice place to live, and am surrounded by wonderful people. Time to make a stand.
I love it man. Sincerely. The message is being spread and it is being done under the radar. Having someone like Ron Paul garnering the kind of following he has this year is proof in my eyes.
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I go to Vendetta the bar - not too familiar with the coffee scene. Good question to ask at http://forum.freekeene.com
If people won't move for liberty, what WILL they do? Are they doing anything?
I don't believe you can replicate NH at this point. If you can prove me wrong, that'd be great.
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/V/76/76-16.htm
"I. Selectmen or assessors, for good cause shown, may abate any tax assessed by them or by their predecessors, including any portion of interest accrued on such tax."
No need to take a stand.
Too bad.
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I own a coffeeshop in WI and was just wondering what the Keene-scene provided in that area. I, like a multitude of others, have to try and convince their family that the best thing for a life of freedom is to move to NH so we can attempt our revolution together. It's not nearly as easy as I thought it would be. And that is the frustrating part. Most people have accepted their "fate" as being whatever life the government allows them to live. Has there even been anything so truly sad?
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/V/76/76-16.htm
"I. Selectmen or assessors, for good cause shown, may abate any tax assessed by them or by their predecessors, including any portion of interest accrued on such tax."
No need to take a stand.
Too bad.
Can you explain this a little further Boner? I'm not aware of what this is you're referring to.
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Keene's the "liberal" stronghold of NH, so coffee shops are pretty popular here. Head to the Free Keene Forum and ask there.
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/V/76/76-16.htm
"I. Selectmen or assessors, for good cause shown, may abate any tax assessed by them or by their predecessors, including any portion of interest accrued on such tax."
No need to take a stand.
Too bad.
Can you explain this a little further Boner? I'm not aware of what this is you're referring to.
Which part?
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
Bullshit. The FTP town government would have done the same thing the current town governments do...grant abatements their friend and other people they like.
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/V/76/76-16.htm
"I. Selectmen or assessors, for good cause shown, may abate any tax assessed by them or by their predecessors, including any portion of interest accrued on such tax."
No need to take a stand.
Too bad.
Can you explain this a little further Boner? I'm not aware of what this is you're referring to.
Which part?
The Free Town Project.
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If the Free Town Project had succeeded, the town government could have granted full tax abatements to anyone that applied:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/V/76/76-16.htm
"I. Selectmen or assessors, for good cause shown, may abate any tax assessed by them or by their predecessors, including any portion of interest accrued on such tax."
No need to take a stand.
Too bad.
Can you explain this a little further Boner? I'm not aware of what this is you're referring to.
Which part?
The Free Town Project.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Town_Project
http://freetownproject.com/
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They couldn't even decide what a free Grafton would look like?! How are they expecting to do so with an entire state? A nation?!
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How are they expecting to do so with an entire state?
I know, right?
I mean, it's pretty simple. Either you're for the initiation of force, or your not.
Many FSP'ers still want to initiate force. Kinda sad.
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How are they expecting to do so with an entire state?
I know, right?
I mean, it's pretty simple. Either you're for the initiation of force, or your not.
Many FSP'ers still want to initiate force. Kinda sad.
Man, I couldn't agree more with ya brutha
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How are they expecting to do so with an entire state?
I know, right?
I mean, it's pretty simple. Either you're for the initiation of force, or your not.
Many FSP'ers still want to initiate force. Kinda sad.
Man, I couldn't agree more with ya brutha
It sucks when you have own members of your group turn against you because you decided not to lie to a reporter when asked if "libertarianism' meant getting rid of public education, drug laws, and other victimless crimes.
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How are they expecting to do so with an entire state?
I know, right?
I mean, it's pretty simple. Either you're for the initiation of force, or your not.
Many FSP'ers still want to initiate force. Kinda sad.
Man, I couldn't agree more with ya brutha
It sucks when you have own members of your group turn against you because you decided not to lie to a reporter when asked if "libertarianism' meant getting rid of public education, drug laws, and other victimless crimes.
Groups suck.
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[img]http://www.garryconn.com/images/bullshit2.jpg/img]
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[img]http://www.garryconn.com/images/bullshit2.jpg/img]
Ur doin it rong.
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you're right!
(http://www.erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/super-retard.JPG)
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[img]http://www.garryconn.com/images/bullshit2.jpg/img]
Ur doin it rong.
...and it's a trend...I don't see why he can't muster the energy to fix his posts...
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you're right!
You're not invited.
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Jay, did you change your mind about South America?
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Jay, did you change your mind about South America?
I want to at least TRY the FTP concept before I give up.
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good luck with that
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Jay, did you change your mind about South America?
I want to at least TRY the FTP concept before I give up.
Alright man, that's understandable.
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good luck with that
Can you be the blogger this time too?
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good luck with that
Can you be the blogger this time too?
yup. This time I'll have broadband.
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[img]http://www.garryconn.com/images/bullshit2.jpg/img]
Ur doin it rong.
...and it's a trend...I don't see why he can't muster the energy to fix his posts...
have plenty of energy, don't have any need.
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you're right!
You're not invited.
wat
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Where's it going to be, BJ?
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Where's it going to be, BJ?
There will be an announcement at the appropriate time. I'm not going to spoil the opportunity before I even start by announcing where it is this time.
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Will you say if it's in NH?
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The only place worth trying is Ellsworth, NH (http://www.nh.gov/nhes/elmi/htmlprofiles/ellsworth.html)
There is property for sale under 100k.
http://www.beangroup.com/real-estate/Ellsworth-NH/
This place looks good, and low taxes.
http://www.beangroup.com/real_estate/listings/Homes/NH/Ellsworth/653321
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Population 100.
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voters...like 40...62 registered.
http://www.sos.nh.gov/Voters%20on%20the%20Checklist%20by%20Party%202008-06-12.pdf
4 dems, 6 repubs, 52 und.
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It's not Ellsworth. There's not enough usable property there.
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Then your plan is fail.
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Then your plan is fail.
Probably. But then I can tell myself I actually tried this time.
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But, seriously, what's the chances of getting 40 people (Even for Ellsworth) to register to vote and live there?
I think I'll just pull a Shaw and move to bumfuck Egypt to enjoy myself. There's no point in fighting a battle you know you'll lose.
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But, seriously, what's the chances of getting 40 people (Even for Ellsworth) to register to vote and live there?
Not good, but it's probably got the best chance for a FTP in NH.
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
The racial makeup of the township was 100.00% White.
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
The racial makeup of the township was 100.00% White.
and?
the racial makeup of my house is 100.00% white as well. Too bad it's also 100.00% polack.
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
The racial makeup of the township was 100.00% White.
and?
the racial makeup of my house is 100.00% white as well. Too bad it's also 100.00% polack.
At least there's an unlimited of supply of pirogi. :lol:
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
The racial makeup of the township was 100.00% White.
and?
the racial makeup of my house is 100.00% white as well. Too bad it's also 100.00% polack.
At least there's an unlimited of supply of pirogi. :lol:
There's a 100% polak in my house, and she ain't turnin' out no pierogis.
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(http://www.supremepierogies.ca/catalog/images/trucks.jpg)
same here, all we got is the frozen type. We always have two links of this however:
(http://www.tiendaslatinas.com/centrocomercial/images/alimentos/LM017.jpg)
(http://www.polandbymail.net/onlinepics/4355010.jpg)
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Kielbasinski is the ultimate Polish superhero. He fights Russian Communists by day and delivers kielbasa to orphanages, by night.
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
The racial makeup of the township was 100.00% White.
and?
the racial makeup of my house is 100.00% white as well. Too bad it's also 100.00% polack.
What a great place for an Aryan race! You could write a theme song and everything!
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my theme song is "Real Mother Fuckin' G's" By Ezy E . . how's that for aryan?
who fucking cares it's just fucking color
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my theme song is "Real Mother Fuckin' G's" By Ezy E . . how's that for aryan?
who fucking cares it's just fucking color
I was more of an NWA guy but to each his own. I thought E was better with Dre and Ice Cube. I don't care at all I just thought it amusing that the town mentioned in this thread for the new FTP was 100% white. But I suppose most of New Hampshire is white yes?
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Maine is the #1 whitest state, Vermont is #2 and New Hampshire is #3.
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But I suppose most of New Hampshire is white yes?
Yes.
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Lotsa whities on the dole. They just come with much less drama, violence and faggotry in general.
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Touche. :P
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my theme song is "Real Mother Fuckin' G's" By Ezy E . . how's that for aryan?
who fucking cares it's just fucking color
I was more of an NWA guy but to each his own. I thought E was better with Dre and Ice Cube. I don't care at all I just thought it amusing that the town mentioned in this thread for the new FTP was 100% white. But I suppose most of New Hampshire is white yes?
oh no no my friend. . . you're absolutely right. . . NWA was awesome and still is when I play it. . . he was better with the group but on the other hand some of Dre and E's best stuff came when they were dueling.
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Yep, but that's not likely to happen, so I'll have to wait until we get 5 property owners in Keene willing to do it together. Those are her terms.
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Fair enough Ian. If you say it would be so than I have no reason not to believe you. It just comes across, at times, like you're "hiding" behind her because of the very real consequences you may face if you indeed would stop paying property taxes. I pay mine because I am afraid "they" will steal my home from me or put me in prison. My first real act of "disobedience" is going to be to not file the Social Security taxes for my business this year. I don't know what will happen but I'm willing to risk my business to find out.
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If you don't, they are still going to come after you for not paying your self employment tax. They are trying to extort it from me, but I just ignore them and keep dodging their letters. I think I'm just going to get Puerto Rican citizenship and renounce my US citizenship... Not that it's going to make a difference. The looters want their loot no matter what.
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This is where the beauty of the FSP comes into play. If all of us ended up in one single state how could the Feds possibly do anything to any one of us?
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Ian is officially a crazy son of a bitch.
Indeed. But he just may be a crazy son of a bitch in a good way.
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This is where the beauty of the FSP comes into play. If all of us ended up in one single state how could the Feds possibly do anything to any one of us?
Handcuffs?
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This is where the beauty of the FSP comes into play. If all of us ended up in one single state how could the Feds possibly do anything to any one of us?
Handcuffs?
They're gonna handcuff 20,000 people? And take them to what jail? Police are generally lazy Boner and attest paperwork. This is the reason why most won't even take the time to cite you for speeding. And you're suggesting that they'd round up all 20,000 and "process them"?! Shit, I'd like to see that!
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This is where the beauty of the FSP comes into play. If all of us ended up in one single state how could the Feds possibly do anything to any one of us?
Handcuffs?
They're gonna handcuff 20,000 people? And take them to what jail? Police are generally lazy Boner and attest paperwork. This is the reason why most won't even take the time to cite you for speeding. And you're suggesting that they'd round up all 20,000 and "process them"?! Shit, I'd like to see that!
20k? Where? And how many are willing to have their lives ruined?
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I stated
This is where the beauty of the FSP comes into play. If all of us ended up in one single state how could the Feds possibly do anything to any one of us?
. The FSP is 20,000 like minded liberty-loving individuals. This was my point. What can the Feds do once you have 20,000 people not willing to cooperate? Your answer was "handcuffs". For 20,000 non-cooperatives?! I'd like to see that even be attempted.
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The FSP is 20,000 like minded liberty-loving individuals. This was my point.
no its not.
There are 8616 FSP Participants and 568 that have moved.
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What's with the "nitpicking"?! The FSP is an attempt to get 20,000 like-minded people to New Hampshire. We can all view the tracker on the FSP website to see how many are currently registered. I don't understand what the number at this moment has to do with the conversation. Do you doubt that they'll meet this number eventually?!
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The FSP is 20,000 like minded liberty-loving individuals. This was my point.
no its not.
There are 8616 FSP Participants and 568 that have moved.
Wrong. 8617
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Do you doubt that they'll meet this number eventually?!
Considering that in 5 years the numbers of "participants" has only grown by 2k, I'd probably be dead before they reached 20k. And most people have probably forgotten they ever signed up.
They count over 200 people that already lived in NH at the time of the statistics counting as "movers". So less than 300 people have actually uprooted their lives at this point. 300 in 5 years. And half of them don't vote as part of their philosophy.
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So, are you in disbelief over attaining 20,000 people in New Hampshire or over the idea of a Free State altogether?
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So, are you in disbelief over attaining 20,000 people in New Hampshire or over the idea of a Free State altogether?
Both, cuz if there aren't 20k people, there is no hope for the FSP. Fuck, there's not even 1k that have moved in 5 years! They are waiting for nothing.
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So, are you in disbelief over attaining 20,000 people in New Hampshire or over the idea of a Free State altogether?
Both, cuz if there aren't 20k people, there is no hope for the FSP. Fuck, there's not even 1k that have moved in 5 years! They are waiting for nothing.
this.
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1% of 20k is pretty fucking depressing.
If the FSP faked the number and suddenly said a year from now they had 20k signups, how many of that 8k would abide by their agreements and move? LOL.
It's fucking depressing.
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Caffeine, you are wasting your time arguing with Bonerjoe about the FSP. This has been gone over and over with him and others who don't like the FSP or don't think it will work. It's not worth your time.
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People like Porc are like religious nuts. They truth is always hazy with them.
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Don't worry Jay, you won't last long being burned at my stake.
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How about the hopping metropolis of Millsfield?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millsfield,_New_Hampshire
Millsfield is not a Town. Therefore it is subject to the Planning and Zoning of Coos County. That is unacceptable because we could never be free from Zoning and Planning unless we could incorporate a Town which we couldn't because we would never get the "permission" of the shitheads. Unlike Texas, where there are "must issue" statutes, New Hampshire makes most Town-forming and Town-splitting and School-District-Consolidation-Agreement-dissolving actions subject to State or County discretion (although it is possible to make things so nasty that they will WANT to let you get back your right to be your own School District, IF you were a Town to begin with, which you wouldn't be if you were Millsfield).
Bottom line, Ellsworth IS the best choice. Come on, BonerJoe, it is a lovely place and has a LOT more water than Loving County, where I do now have some lots with legal access if you insist on living on Hot Mars (and if you're willing to hire a bulldozer for a few days at $1,000 a day with driver so everyone can get there in normal cars).
Heck, Ellsworth even has employment over in Plymouth, and that Super WalMart we went to at 3 AM on our very first night in NH.
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Caffeine, you are wasting your time arguing with Bonerjoe about the FSP. This has been gone over and over with him and others who don't like the FSP or don't think it will work. It's not worth your time.
That's the FSP way.
Ignore any possibility of having your belief in the viability of the FSP shaken.
We wouldn't want cold hard reality crushing all those warm optimistic feelings now.
What BJ says about the FSP is totally correct. At the most optimistic the numbers mean it will be decades before any meaningful change occurs. At most realistic it means the FSP will join the ranks of thousands of other libertarian projects that fail to make any meaningful change, and at worst become a sinkhole for time, resources, and enthusiasm.
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I voted A but I wish I had voted D even though they're both more or less the same.
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Bottom line, Ellsworth IS the best choice. Come on, BonerJoe, it is a lovely place and has a LOT more water than Loving County, where I do now have some lots with legal access if you insist on living on Hot Mars (and if you're willing to hire a bulldozer for a few days at $1,000 a day with driver so everyone can get there in normal cars).
Heck, Ellsworth even has employment over in Plymouth, and that Super WalMart we went to at 3 AM on our very first night in NH.
SakalCAI should buy land there.
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It would be a little hypocritical of me to call someone who pays his taxes a pussy. There are a lot of reasons to pay your taxes, such as being able to actually keep your property and live life outside a prison cell.
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Ian has all the fallacies of everyone he makes fun of. For example his silly "unorganized pantheistic religion" Not to worry however b/c he really believes in "himself"
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