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Kevin Freeheart

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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2009, 02:22:33 AM »

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I don't have any preconceptions.  I'm just saying he came off as being capable of adult decisions.  He wasn't,

Preconception.

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If children are capable of adult decisions at age ten, then they should be put in the electric chair if they murder.  Can't have it both ways.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_5_110/ai_n27144918/

Note: ^^ case is in a state without death penalty, thankfully.

They ARE charging 11 year old murderers as adults. So... based on the action of the state... do you honor Ian's choice?

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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2009, 02:35:04 AM »

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I don't have any preconceptions.  I'm just saying he came off as being capable of adult decisions.  He wasn't,

Preconception.

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If children are capable of adult decisions at age ten, then they should be put in the electric chair if they murder.  Can't have it both ways.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_5_110/ai_n27144918/

Note: ^^ case is in a state without death penalty, thankfully.

They ARE charging 11 year old murderers as adults. So... based on the action of the state... do you honor Ian's choice?



They are *sometimes*.  And they have NOT ever  put a child in the electric chair in this country. 

The rest is a non sequitur. 

"Based on the actions of the state do you honor Ians choice?"  Thats just a dumb runtogether.  Jesus. 

Look, if you believe children are capable of adult thinking, go have some.  You'll start thinking different immediately. 
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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 11:34:49 PM »

And they have NOT ever  put a child in the electric chair in this country. 

The rest is a non sequitur. 

Bringing up the death penalty for "children," as if it has anything to do with the argument at hand, was your idea.


Look, if you believe children are capable of adult thinking, go have some.  You'll start thinking different immediately. 

Well gee, I happen to have three children, and I disagree with you. It's such an obvious sign of faulty or non-existent reasoning when someone says "If only you _____, you would surely agree with me!" (Fill in the blank with "had children," "were older," "had served in the military," "weren't so bourgeois," etc.)
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2009, 11:20:55 PM »

It's such an obvious sign of faulty or non-existent reasoning when someone says "If only you _____, you would surely agree with me!" (Fill in the blank with "had children," "were older," "had served in the military," "weren't so bourgeois," etc.)

I agree completely.
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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2009, 12:45:47 PM »

And they have NOT ever  put a child in the electric chair in this country. 

The rest is a non sequitur. 

Bringing up the death penalty for "children," as if it has anything to do with the argument at hand, was your idea.


Look, if you believe children are capable of adult thinking, go have some.  You'll start thinking different immediately. 

Well gee, I happen to have three children, and I disagree with you. It's such an obvious sign of faulty or non-existent reasoning when someone says "If only you _____, you would surely agree with me!" (Fill in the blank with "had children," "were older," "had served in the military," "weren't so bourgeois," etc.)

So....  its good to know your children are capable of adult decisions, and were fully cognizant from day one.  It must be a real thrill to have adult children.  Are you sure they're not midgets? 

Do they live with you, or have their own apartments?  And please explain to the class at what age they were fully prepared to live on their own, and what helped you arrive at those realizations of their adult independence. 

Be advised, if your "children" are not performing in adult situations like adults, and you make decisions for them because they are unable to fend for themselves in *ALL* matters of living, you are a mushy-headed idiot who can't string together two rational thoughts. 

"well, uh, no...  they live with me...  and I provide for their needs...  but, but, but..."

Shut the fuck up, moron. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2009, 01:40:29 PM »

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You can't own... your kids...

You most certainly can. You own your kids until they assert their own self-ownership.

Oh, look at this...  Is it because they're not capable of complex problem-solving at certain ages?  Some decisions are beyond them, due to lack of experience.  

This is cognizance.  This is why they are excused from adult penalties when they take certain actions.  Actions which they are not fully capable of comprehending the ramifications.  

You either support the idea of leniency in the correction of minors in adult situations due to their lack of development, or you don't.  And if you do, you're acknowledging the fact they are incapable of making adult decisions.  They shouldn't own guns, cars, or be allowed to view certain things.  They shouldn't be permitted to make choices about drugs and other substances, what to put in their bodies.  Another one is who they hang out with, and what those people do to them whether they consent or not.

You're so enlightened...  and thats a good thing.  But in your fits of libertarian zeal, try to remember, they shouldn't be riding the subway home alone from daycare, or fucking the passengers who offer friendship and candy.  The stinking crackhead shitbag is a bad man, and should not be permitted to befriend your children, regardless of their appeals.  
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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2009, 02:05:49 PM »

Look, if you believe children are capable of adult thinking, go have some.  You'll start thinking different immediately. 

Well gee, I happen to have three children, and I disagree with you. It's such an obvious sign of faulty or non-existent reasoning when someone says "If only you _____, you would surely agree with me!" (Fill in the blank with "had children," "were older," "had served in the military," "weren't so bourgeois," etc.)

So....  its good to know your children are capable of adult decisions, and were fully cognizant from day one.

Are you serious, resorting to such a blatant strawman? Do you really have no other alternative in this discussion? Fucking pathetic.
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Re: Ian...man love?
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2009, 02:21:39 PM »

You either support the idea of leniency in the correction of minors in adult situations due to their lack of development, or you don't.  And if you do, you're acknowledging the fact they are incapable of making adult decisions.

I assume that what you meant is "you're acknowledging the fact that some minors are incapable of making adult decisions in some situations." I can't think of any other interpretation of your statement that makes any sense. But then, if this is what you meant, I don't know of anyone who contests that point.

Edit: In fact, I'd go so far as to say that many non-"minors" are incapable of making what I would consider to be adult decisions in many situations.
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