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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2009, 12:28:05 PM »

It's a simple equation really...voluntaryists can't be true racists...because in order to BE a true racist, one would have to be an advocate of aggression towards other people. True racists wouldn't believe that those inferior to them have a right to life, liberty or property.


Wow!  Quite a feat to explain what is in the mind of all "racists".  So someone who feels that "races" are not equal automatically feels that the "less-equal" ones have no rights?  How can anyone make such a claim.  Is it impossible in your mind to have a view that some other branch of the human race is not equal to your branch of the human race without a conclusion that they don't have the same rights???

I quite agree that if Ian feels that his finances will suffer from showing any tolerance towards those who have a view that the races are different (a pretty obvious conclusion if you ask me) then he should do what he needs to to stay on the air.  Ian is running a business and needs to make sure the business does not die...

You know, we shouldn't be so afraid of our "differences".  We should be celebrating them.  The French used to have a saying about the "differences" between male and female - "Viva la difference"  I think we should treat the differences in races the same.  Instead of being afraid of these differences (and claiming that there are none) lets be willing to accept them.  If we then are so afraid of these differences, we can try to change them (although I think this is a mistake).

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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2009, 02:04:22 PM »

How could one conclude that another race is inferior (or not equal) to their own, but still feel that that race had the same rights as theirs? Perhaps it was a way over generalized statement. However, I've never met anyone who fell under the umbrella of "racist," who did not feel as though the race that they had such strong feelings against had any right to things like liberty, and in many cases, life. Those who were thrown under the umbrella, and called "racist," because of their preferences against certain aspects of certain cultures or races, I have found do not hold animosity towards them and merely wish to have the freedom to not interact with them. *shrug* perhaps there are more shades of gray then I realize. I don't see why people who simply do not want to engage with other races for their own personal reasons should be considered racist. We create preferences about things every single day, and act on them. I personally do not engage with socialist democrats, people who want to preach their religion at me, feminists or any other number of people/groups for any number of reasons. If any of those groups got the power behind them that minority groups had, then I'm certain they would find appropriate labels for me that were just as denigrating as "racist." Actually, the feminists already have a name for me, "traitor." - but, that's beside the point.

People have the freedom to educate others, about their cultures and their differences. Labeling people racist, because they have a preference, but do not believe that another race/culture should have their rights of life, liberty or property taken from them, just feeds into a victim mentality which creates more of a divide than promotes an atmosphere of individuals wanting to attempt to change mistaken ideas through interaction and education.

I understand weighing the consequences of engaging a principle, against the good of being able to continue spreading the message of liberty. But, if this is the attitude that other volunataryists are going to take up, either because Ian's feelings run stronger than that, or because they don't undertand that it's just a money thing...then I still call inconsistency. Not everyone is going to want to "celebrated their differences." I agree that that's the way things should be, but the truth is, for many people - they just don't want to. Given the choice, they would choose to stay in a protected world of their making, where they had control over who they did business with, who they interacted with socially, and who they met at their local grocery store. We may not like those choices, but my understanding of the voluntaryist principles that Ian advocates, and which I see many people here philosophizing about, is that they have the right to create those worlds. Of course, everyone has the right to ostracize those people, labeling them "racists." I just don't think that that label is accurate in those situations, or helpful in bridging cultural/racial divides.

 
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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2009, 03:13:56 PM »

How could one conclude that another race is inferior (or not equal) to their own, but still feel that that race had the same rights as theirs?

Sorry to be pedantic, but I believe there are plenty of people who are less intelligent, less moral, and all around lesser people than I am, but I still think they have the same rights as me because they're still people.   I just make that determination on an individual basis rather than applying it based on race, because basing it on race is stupid. 
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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2009, 09:04:46 PM »

I don't associate with racists, and no one else here should either.


I think you are mistaken.  Almost everyone is "racist" to some extent and to say that none of the people you hang with are racist is making a mighty big claim...


I certainly have unknowing associated with racists...until that fact became known.  Then I have as little to do with them as possible. I am not going to waste my time trying to change their attitudes.
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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2009, 10:08:00 PM »

I don't associate with racists, and no one else here should either.


I think you are mistaken.  Almost everyone is "racist" to some extent and to say that none of the people you hang with are racist is making a mighty big claim...


I certainly have unknowing associated with racists...until that fact became known.  Then I have as little to do with them as possible. I am not going to waste my time trying to change their attitudes.

Do you associate with known statists?  Or once you find out someone's a statist, do you have as little to do with them as possible?  The concept of a state has resulted in the deaths of at least 100M human beings last century.  As repellent as the idea of racism is, it surely hasn't lead to  as much misery as statism.  This doesn't mean that I'm going to have the neighborhood racist over for dinner but I'm not going to look on him so much differently as a hard core statist.
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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2009, 10:19:03 PM »

I don't associate with racists, and no one else here should either.


I think you are mistaken.  Almost everyone is "racist" to some extent and to say that none of the people you hang with are racist is making a mighty big claim...


I certainly have unknowing associated with racists...until that fact became known.  Then I have as little to do with them as possible. I am not going to waste my time trying to change their attitudes.

Do you associate with known statists?  Or once you find out someone's a statist, do you have as little to do with them as possible?  The concept of a state has resulted in the deaths of at least 100M human beings last century.  As repellent as the idea of racism is, it surely hasn't lead to  as much misery as statism.  This doesn't mean that I'm going to have the neighborhood racist over for dinner but I'm not going to look on him so much differently as a hard core statist.

Amen to that...  The most dangerous "cult" in existence is the cult of government...

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Re: Gene, the Christian Anarchist, was right about racists and racism.
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2009, 09:35:44 PM »

I think the hosts are handling things correctly.

Ostracize, discriminate against, poke fun at, call names, etc. to those who don't think like you do. That'll sure show 'em.
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