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Fashion and Ian
« on: September 09, 2010, 10:55:37 PM »

Tonight, on the show, I laughed hysterically. On one hand, we had Ian saying, "I'm not gonna be a pretender." and on the other side, Mark was saying, "...but, it'll make you popular!"
My input here is this:
A person's clothing style sends a message to others more than "its who I feel like."  When trying to outreach and deliver a message of any sort to other people, it is prudent to consider that how the person is seen will invariably influence said message. If he looks like a nutty bum or a lazy slob, the message will be seen as nutty or ignorant. Therefore, its best to dress in the manner that displays and enhances the message you want to get across.
Its not a matter of pandering or being like other people. By trying to reach out to them at all, a person is including how that person will feel about the message. Ian's line of "not caring" is arbitrary, whether he admits it or not.
None of this was intended to say that Sean (hope I spelled it right) is a detriment to the movement. The "WTF!" reaction is admittedly (on the air) what he's looking for by wearing the cape, so at least he is considering the effect of his fashion choices on his message.
Finally, Ian generalized fashion as "whats trendy." I think the caller was very right to point out the fact that this is ignorance on Ian's part. Fashion is an understanding of the various aesthetic effects of different clothing choices. For example, skinny jeans make your butt look big or black is slimming or different shades of the same color "clash". How someone uses this understanding to put together a logical decision for he/she dresses is their own personal fashion.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2010, 10:58:53 PM »

Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 11:15:03 PM »

Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.

Marks?
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2010, 11:21:15 PM »

Ian did seem a bit silly not to acknowledge the practical benefit of dressing for a particular task.  It still felt like he was digging in his heels and refusing to be at all responsive to any attempt at constructive criticism.

I do, however, pointedly refuse to dress up for court because it feels idolatrous.  I wear shorts and t-shirts to my weekly Quaker Meeting and it's perfectly acceptable.  I refuse to show reverence for a man-made institution by dressing better there than I do at "church".  I'd be glad to do it just as an issue of politeness to other people when there is not this aura of worshipfulness that they try to create in State institutions and this expectation to show reverence.  Not dressing up for that is actually an honest statement about how I feel about that institution.

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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2010, 11:35:40 PM »

Had the show on while I was working, so I wasn't paying close attention. I do remember thinking I was totally on Ian's side on this one.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 11:38:53 PM »

Both sides were childish for a while, but that fashion caller caved Ian's argument completely, only to be cut off.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 11:57:13 PM »

I think if your selling something that requires interacting with the public, dress is absolutely important.

Me? I just buy stuff in person, then sell it over the internet. So I wear cotton t-shirts and shorts. I don't have to look presentable for anyone.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 12:37:50 AM »

I think if your selling something that requires interacting with the public, dress is absolutely important.

Me? I just buy stuff in person, then sell it over the internet. So I wear cotton t-shirts and shorts. I don't have to look presentable for anyone.

Well, that's better than your avatar...
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 12:44:02 AM »

Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.

Inb4 two girls one cup.....
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 07:49:37 PM »

There seem to be idiots on both sides of this issue.  The idiots who think you need to wear a suit to pitch liberty need to recognize that there are people--many of them naturally libertarian in thought--who resent "suits" (as a term for people.)  The idiots who seriously think you can walk into any room wearing anything you want and get recognized as someone with something serious to say need to recognize the power of attire in creating rapport as a first step to persuasion.

That said, the fashion nazis and fashion slaves can kiss my ass.  In my personal life, I'll wear what the fuck I want to wear.  This seems to me a very libertarian attitude, and it's fine if you don't make a habit of offending with your attire, at which time YMMV.  Alternatively, if I'm trying to "sell" myself or my ideology to someone, I'll take some time to create rapport, and that very well may include attire.  Mostly, though, I'll be who I am, and that does not include being a fashion slave.  Yet, not being a fashion slave does not necessarily mean being sloppy.  Clean clothes, a lack of malodor, and a pleasant, disciplined stature can go a long way.

The bottom line, though, is rapport, and anyone who's had any type of communication education knows that means being aware of your "audience" and knowing that much of the message you send is subliminal, including your attire (though as in the case of the yelling dude in the suit, in some other thread here, attire can only help so much.)  In this way, Michael Badnarik and Ian both get an "F" for being obtuse and entirely missing the point.  Being on radio, however, Ian rarely has to care, so it works out for him.  I encourage Mark to continue reminding him when they're together and it does make a difference (such as, conventions.)
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 10:04:33 PM »

It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs?  Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears.  Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam. 
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 10:35:56 PM »

It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs?  Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears.  Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam. 

Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 10:41:10 PM »

It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs?  Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears.  Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam. 

Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.

So plan it out ahead of time!
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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 10:59:58 PM »

It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs?  Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears.  Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam. 

Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.

Ian does the show out of his home.  After he up loads the show it is almost always off to bed with him.   Co-host do have to drive and Mark does like his karioki (sp?)  However, most nights it is just home and to bed.  Really tee shirts and jeans is just done to death in radio.

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Re: Fashion and Ian
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 11:02:47 PM »

I'm a hot babe out jogging.

you look to check out my great pink headband and before you know it, mayhem happens
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