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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: LTKoblinsky on September 09, 2010, 10:55:37 PM
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Tonight, on the show, I laughed hysterically. On one hand, we had Ian saying, "I'm not gonna be a pretender." and on the other side, Mark was saying, "...but, it'll make you popular!"
My input here is this:
A person's clothing style sends a message to others more than "its who I feel like." When trying to outreach and deliver a message of any sort to other people, it is prudent to consider that how the person is seen will invariably influence said message. If he looks like a nutty bum or a lazy slob, the message will be seen as nutty or ignorant. Therefore, its best to dress in the manner that displays and enhances the message you want to get across.
Its not a matter of pandering or being like other people. By trying to reach out to them at all, a person is including how that person will feel about the message. Ian's line of "not caring" is arbitrary, whether he admits it or not.
None of this was intended to say that Sean (hope I spelled it right) is a detriment to the movement. The "WTF!" reaction is admittedly (on the air) what he's looking for by wearing the cape, so at least he is considering the effect of his fashion choices on his message.
Finally, Ian generalized fashion as "whats trendy." I think the caller was very right to point out the fact that this is ignorance on Ian's part. Fashion is an understanding of the various aesthetic effects of different clothing choices. For example, skinny jeans make your butt look big or black is slimming or different shades of the same color "clash". How someone uses this understanding to put together a logical decision for he/she dresses is their own personal fashion.
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
Marks?
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Ian did seem a bit silly not to acknowledge the practical benefit of dressing for a particular task. It still felt like he was digging in his heels and refusing to be at all responsive to any attempt at constructive criticism.
I do, however, pointedly refuse to dress up for court because it feels idolatrous. I wear shorts and t-shirts to my weekly Quaker Meeting and it's perfectly acceptable. I refuse to show reverence for a man-made institution by dressing better there than I do at "church". I'd be glad to do it just as an issue of politeness to other people when there is not this aura of worshipfulness that they try to create in State institutions and this expectation to show reverence. Not dressing up for that is actually an honest statement about how I feel about that institution.
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Had the show on while I was working, so I wasn't paying close attention. I do remember thinking I was totally on Ian's side on this one.
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Both sides were childish for a while, but that fashion caller caved Ian's argument completely, only to be cut off.
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I think if your selling something that requires interacting with the public, dress is absolutely important.
Me? I just buy stuff in person, then sell it over the internet. So I wear cotton t-shirts and shorts. I don't have to look presentable for anyone.
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I think if your selling something that requires interacting with the public, dress is absolutely important.
Me? I just buy stuff in person, then sell it over the internet. So I wear cotton t-shirts and shorts. I don't have to look presentable for anyone.
Well, that's better than your avatar...
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
Inb4 two girls one cup.....
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There seem to be idiots on both sides of this issue. The idiots who think you need to wear a suit to pitch liberty need to recognize that there are people--many of them naturally libertarian in thought--who resent "suits" (as a term for people.) The idiots who seriously think you can walk into any room wearing anything you want and get recognized as someone with something serious to say need to recognize the power of attire in creating rapport as a first step to persuasion.
That said, the fashion nazis and fashion slaves can kiss my ass. In my personal life, I'll wear what the fuck I want to wear. This seems to me a very libertarian attitude, and it's fine if you don't make a habit of offending with your attire, at which time YMMV. Alternatively, if I'm trying to "sell" myself or my ideology to someone, I'll take some time to create rapport, and that very well may include attire. Mostly, though, I'll be who I am, and that does not include being a fashion slave. Yet, not being a fashion slave does not necessarily mean being sloppy. Clean clothes, a lack of malodor, and a pleasant, disciplined stature can go a long way.
The bottom line, though, is rapport, and anyone who's had any type of communication education knows that means being aware of your "audience" and knowing that much of the message you send is subliminal, including your attire (though as in the case of the yelling dude in the suit, in some other thread here, attire can only help so much.) In this way, Michael Badnarik and Ian both get an "F" for being obtuse and entirely missing the point. Being on radio, however, Ian rarely has to care, so it works out for him. I encourage Mark to continue reminding him when they're together and it does make a difference (such as, conventions.)
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It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs? Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears. Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam.
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It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs? Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears. Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam.
Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.
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It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs? Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears. Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam.
Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.
So plan it out ahead of time!
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It is a radio show why can't Ian and Mark just wear some Silk animal print pjs? Maybe even smoking jackets like Hef wears. Seriously a pajama party night would be fun for the few who watch the web cam.
Except some people have places to go before and after they work I bet (even for FTL people) so they need to be dressed appropriately at times.
Ian does the show out of his home. After he up loads the show it is almost always off to bed with him. Co-host do have to drive and Mark does like his karioki (sp?) However, most nights it is just home and to bed. Really tee shirts and jeans is just done to death in radio.
Something for Ian
(http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens7703471module69847181photo_1258753149Mens_drop_seat_FootiePJs.jpg)
And
Something
for
Mark.
This
will
really
help to
sell
those
diet products.
(http://www.pajamashoppe.com/images/clothing/men/mntee_2406_leop_cvr.jpg)
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I'm a hot babe out jogging.
you look to check out my great pink headband and before you know it, mayhem happens
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I think if your selling something that requires interacting with the public, dress is absolutely important.
Me? I just buy stuff in person, then sell it over the internet. So I wear cotton t-shirts and shorts. I don't have to look presentable for anyone.
Well, that's better than your avatar...
That is BJ it is just what he likes to wear when he has to go to the john.
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Since Ian and mark seem very into marketing and selling, I'm surprized that Ian has not forced himself to take on an "image" for maketing sake.
Are people suggesting that Ian should wear a suit? That doesn't sound like a good idea...cuz Mark is already the Mr. Slick dresser guy. Ian needs to be different. It's like those boy bands....you gotta have a bad boy, the guy next door, the cute boyish type, the masculine type, and of course ...the closeted gay guy type.
Having 2 slick dressers is a bad move, cuz that will give the impression that Ian and Mark are gay lovers. Ian should transform his self into the "cool" guy. He should wear sunglasses while doing the show, and maybe heavy metal t-shirts under a trench-coat, and also wear some bad ass combat boots. The ANCAPs will think that Ian is a cool dude, which is better for business....instead of his current image of The Dorky Nerd.
Since the show uses a webcam, it's just dumb for Ian not to take personal image into consideration...but Ian seems like a very stubborn guy, and he prolly doesn't want to listen, cuz he doesn't like anybody telling him what to do.
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Ian should transform his self into the "cool" guy. He should wear sunglasses while doing the show, and maybe heavy metal t-shirts under a trench-coat, and also wear some bad ass combat boots.
does not compute....
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Okay, I have just watched Ian's recent day in court videos and I figured I'd make a post in this thread.
For some context: I never wear suits or ties in day to day life. I like to dress reasonably but am pretty lazy. I think everybody has the right to be as slobbish as they want, and nobody should change "who they are" because of societal norms.
That said, if you keep dressing in shorts and tshirts at occasions like this the videos will not be nearly as powerful to watch for people who are on the fence about the movement. By dressing this way you make it SO EASY for people who are undecided to dismiss you as a kook or stoner. This isn't what I believe, but it's just a fact of reality.
I'm not even saying you should wear a suit and tie, but how about some dark jeans and a shirt at least?
It doesn't matter if Burke and his thugs deliver the exact same verdict, what matters is how bad THEY look to outsiders who see the video. And trust me, making these changes will change people's perceptions.
My $0.02
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Davy I agree. It wouldn't kill people to at least dress half way decent and perceptions are important. If you have dirty greasy hair and ripped up cloths people are going to have a negative impression no mater where you are.
Some places a tee and shorts are expected others places they are not. In a court setting the tee and shorts wearer is seen as being immature and disrespectful. A dress code for a radio show is silly but sometimes and in some places presentation and dress are important. Nixon famously looked idiotic for wearing a suit on the beach. He wasn't dressed for the venue and it made an unfavorable impression.
(http://media.wwd.com/images/processed/wwd/2009/04/16/landscape/03-thumb/richard-nixon.jpg)
http://www.wwd.com/eyescoop/a-dog-day-for-obama-2106758/ (http://www.wwd.com/eyescoop/a-dog-day-for-obama-2106758/) Story about how disconnected Nixon seemed in the picture from real people.
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I regularly wear my pjs in the studio. :lol:
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During the show? I mean watching porn on cam in your pj's after hours is one thing. Not even getting dressed for what you do for a living is another. Though, I'm not one to judge on this matter; I wear sweater vests, slacks, and driver caps whenever possible. It's not for everyone, I admit, but your dress conveys a message, and few outside of the boxers-as-shorts crowd from the 90s see PJ's as a positive one. Jeans and a T-shirt can go a long way towards looking nice.
Full disclosure: I typed this while sitting in my underwear. Also, I haven't seen what Ian has been wearing these last few weeks.
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
What's really funny is that people who are not long-time listeners to the show, will not realize that this is not potty humor, but rather that it is merely a statement of well-documented fact.
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
What's really funny is that people who are not long-time listeners to the show, will not realize that this is not potty humor, but rather that it is merely a statement of well-documented fact.
Lol.
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Ian also blows his load in his dinnerware.
http://www.cookingwithcum.com/
(http://www.cookingwithcum.com/images/natural_harvest_front_cover.jpg) (http://www.cookingwithcum.com/)
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How can I frame this so that it will get through to you Ian?
I've been an avid listener of FTL and consider both Mark and Ian as role models, but up until recently I hadn't seen any of them on video, so I looked up a video of Ian on youtube and when I saw the way he dressed I was like "ooh....". I was disappointed.
Ian you have a powerful personality and an awesome intellect! It would be the last piece of the puzzle if you brushed up on fashion a bit!
I used to not care how I dressed at all. I was thinking along the lines of "I'm not going to play into that stupid game, everyone should just stop wasting money on stupid things like clothes" and "It's good to not care about what other people think of you, so I'll just not care about fashion to show that I don't care about what people are thinking about me".
However the past year I have made an effort to improve my fashion. I've put together a style and started paying attention to what I wear. And the difference is HUGE in interactions. People react to you differently unconsciously, and it actually changes you.
Fashion can be understood within the context of biological signals, it's PROGRAMMED into our genes. Just as female mallards
are attracted to certain colors of feathers on males, people are attracted to certain types of
clothing on other people.
Charles Darwin was the first to
attempt to construct a theory of why
animals have such extravagant
signals and physical ornamentation.
"The sexual struggle is of two kinds:
in the one it is between the
individuals of the same sex, generally
the males, in order to drive away or
kill their rivals, the females
remaining passive; while in the
other, the struggle is likewise
between the individuals of the same
sex, in order to excite or charm those
of the opposite sex, generally the
females, which no longer remain passive, but select the more agreeable partners."
-Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
Having a good style shows that you have the time, energy and money to put into appearances, and that's attractive to all people. Yes fashion is magnified by societal norms and media like many other phenomenons, but it does have it's root in human nature. We are animals just like every other animal on this planet, and the peacook is a perfect example of the importance of fashion.
You're shooting yourself in the foot if you are not putting an effort into creating a good style for you, which after all is relatively easy compared to other areas of improving oneself.
If you're one of the millions of guys out there who's been saying your whole life:“Nah, I'm
not into clothes. I just wear what feels comfortable,” you are missing out on one of the
simplest ways to influence people before you even open your mouth. Once you understand some basic concepts to discover
and perfect your own look, fashion is going to become one of your quickest, easiest, most
reliable tools influencing people. You will start to love putting on the clothing that gets you
noticed by people.
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now that's some shit!
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Looks like the human race needs its genes reprogrammed.
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This guy means business! Side-parting, power-tie wearing business!
Ian should tweak this idea and fashion it into something to boost the AMP program. Once a certain level of funds have been aquired...
"Emo Fridays"
"Halal Wednesdays" (or whatever the word for "properly dressed Islamic man" is)
"Gan'sta Sadidays"
"Redneck Mondays"
etc.
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This guy means business! Side-parting, power-tie wearing business!
Ian should tweak this idea and fashion it into something to boost the AMP program. Once a certain level of funds have been aquired...
"Emo Fridays"
"Halal Wednesdays" (or whatever the word for "properly dressed Islamic man" is)
"Gan'sta Sadidays"
"Redneck Mondays"
etc.
There's a difference between dressing for the occasion and being a fag :lol:
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I know you buddy.. you're a side-parter too.
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I know you buddy.. you're a side-parter too.
lol.
My hair naturally falls like that actually. I keep it short so I don't have to comb it.
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How can I frame this so that it will get through to you Ian?
I've been an avid listener of FTL and consider both Mark and Ian as role models, but up until recently I hadn't seen any of them on video, so I looked up a video of Ian on youtube and when I saw the way he dressed I was like "ooh....". I was disappointed.
Ian you have a powerful personality and an awesome intellect! It would be the last piece of the puzzle if you brushed up on fashion a bit!
I used to not care how I dressed at all. I was thinking along the lines of "I'm not going to play into that stupid game, everyone should just stop wasting money on stupid things like clothes" and "It's good to not care about what other people think of you, so I'll just not care about fashion to show that I don't care about what people are thinking about me".
However the past year I have made an effort to improve my fashion. I've put together a style and started paying attention to what I wear. And the difference is HUGE in interactions. People react to you differently unconsciously, and it actually changes you.
Fashion can be understood within the context of biological signals, it's PROGRAMMED into our genes. Just as female mallards
are attracted to certain colors of feathers on males, people are attracted to certain types of
clothing on other people.
Charles Darwin was the first to
attempt to construct a theory of why
animals have such extravagant
signals and physical ornamentation.
"The sexual struggle is of two kinds:
in the one it is between the
individuals of the same sex, generally
the males, in order to drive away or
kill their rivals, the females
remaining passive; while in the
other, the struggle is likewise
between the individuals of the same
sex, in order to excite or charm those
of the opposite sex, generally the
females, which no longer remain passive, but select the more agreeable partners."
-Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
Having a good style shows that you have the time, energy and money to put into appearances, and that's attractive to all people. Yes fashion is magnified by societal norms and media like many other phenomenons, but it does have it's root in human nature. We are animals just like every other animal on this planet, and the peacook is a perfect example of the importance of fashion.
You're shooting yourself in the foot if you are not putting an effort into creating a good style for you, which after all is relatively easy compared to other areas of improving oneself.
If you're one of the millions of guys out there who's been saying your whole life:“Nah, I'm
not into clothes. I just wear what feels comfortable,” you are missing out on one of the
simplest ways to influence people before you even open your mouth. Once you understand some basic concepts to discover
and perfect your own look, fashion is going to become one of your quickest, easiest, most
reliable tools influencing people. You will start to love putting on the clothing that gets you
noticed by people.
That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
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you're cool ian
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That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
Grey man theory?
Basically wearing dull colors, driving a beat up looking car, blending in to your surroundings so as to be easily dismissed.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=11453
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2010/08/gray-man-concept.html
Its also what homeless people do however.
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Cheap wedding dresses? OH YEAH? SOO COOOL!!!! DOES IT COME WITH CUSTOM EMBROIDERY???
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That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
Ummm, you started a nationally syndicated talk show...That's one way to stay low key. You also go and taunt the local autocrats. There's another 'nothing to see here' tactic.
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Cheap wedding dresses? OH YEAH? SOO COOOL!!!! DOES IT COME WITH CUSTOM EMBROIDERY???
Delete the spam, leave my message responding to it.
Also, Ian , have you made any changes to your attire yet?
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That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
Ummm, you started a nationally syndicated talk show...That's one way to stay low key. You also go and taunt the local autocrats. There's another 'nothing to see here' tactic.
LOLz
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That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
Ummm, you started a nationally syndicated talk show...That's one way to stay low key. You also go and taunt the local autocrats. There's another 'nothing to see here' tactic.
Right, but there's a difference between doing things because you want to be noticed and doing things that need to be done because no one else is doing them. I do not relish the attention that comes with the things I do, but someone has to do them.
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That's nice, but you appear to have confused me with someone who wants to be noticed.
Ummm, you started a nationally syndicated talk show...That's one way to stay low key. You also go and taunt the local autocrats. There's another 'nothing to see here' tactic.
Right, but there's a difference between doing things because you want to be noticed and doing things that need to be done because no one else is doing them. I do not relish the attention that comes with the things I do, but someone has to do them.
I was just messing with you, Ian. Still, doing what needs done (debated) has more impact when you look good and we all know that you could clean up real nice.
Full Disclosure: I haven't seen the webcam in a few months.