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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Stoker on August 27, 2010, 09:57:48 AM
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I've never done news gathering or managing/editing, so I have nothing to really input on this.
No shit? I don't think anybody mistakes your tweakerish rantings and attacks on random people that you cut off when they start making a point on air has anything to do with news.
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I cut people off? You must be listening to the wrong show. Last night we kept the most oppositional caller for a segment and invited him for another one, but he hung up.
Next time you hear it, please call me out on-the-air, so I'll know I've been a bad boy.
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I cut people off? You must be listening to the wrong show. Last night we kept the most oppositional caller for a segment and invited him for another one, but he hung up.
Next time you hear it, please call me out on-the-air, so I'll know I've been a bad boy.
Yes, you cut people off and/or talk over them unless they agree with you, just like yesterday's show with the dillrod from Keene that called in. You call your show "Free Talk", but it is nothing of the sort. When the guy wanted to talk you (or mark- don't recall exactly) announced that "this isn't a soapbox" ,talked over him, cut him off, treated him like an asshole, and then proceeded to treat the show as YOUR soapbox. I didn't agree with the caller, but you guys did chop his call up and badger him to the point that he got disgusted and hung up. Hardly "free talk". Perhaps you should rename the show "We talk, and if you say anything we don't like we talk over you, Live". I have no desire for being treated like this, so don't expect a call from me, ever. BTW, this guy seemed like he was intentionally setting himself up to be knocked down. I am suspicious that he was a plant by you guys to make yourselves look like you are "winning" (or actually having) discussions .
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You're paranoid. I've never planted a call, but you can believe whatever you want, dude.
Also, perhaps you should start a show where you just let people ramble forever without asking them questions to clarify and better understand where they are coming from. You can call it, "You talk, and I won't".
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You're paranoid. I've never planted a call, but you can believe whatever you want, dude.
Also, perhaps you should start a show where you just let people ramble forever without asking them questions to clarify and better understand where they are coming from. You can call it, "You talk, and I won't".
Maybe you didn't plant the call, but I have a really hard time believing that this obvious nutbag represents all of the people in Keene and NH in general that don't like the childish bullshit of the FSP/Free-Keeners. Selectively choosing only the calls of people who make the opposition to the FSP/FK "movement" look like idiots has the same effect as planting them. Choosing only morons to "debate" and then claiming victory is a pathetic fucking joke and I for one see through it.
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We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
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I've made up my mind to give up on Freetalklive and the free state project. It's all due to the lack of respect for one's "fellow man" that I have experienced from both Ian and others here on this board, most of whom have some connection to "The Free State Project".
Last night I was on hold for 1.5 hours to get on and tell about how my 16 year old son now has a driver's license but no SS number, but I guess other things were more important in Ian's eyes. Now I'm sure that Ian will say that I call too much, but really that's a lie. In the last 30 days, I've called the show 2 (that TWO) times (6-11 and 7-03). This shows that "freetalk live" is not "ABOUT YOUR CALLS" as Ian claims, but rather it's about Ian's agenda. The show used to be about "your calls", but no longer. I have no use for another Rush Linbaugh or Alex Jones.
The people on this board are nothing but rude, crude and downright mean. I've put up with this kind of treatment for 6 years now and figured it was just a few bad apples, but the names of the worst offenders keep coming up in discussions on "the free state" so I really don't have any reason to consider myself a participant in the free state anymore. I even tried "NH free" forum a couple of years back because someone told me they are liberty minded people there. Of course as soon as I posted my opinions on "Christian Anarchy" the very same trolls that are on this board started in there. People like Lindsey, Puke, Bonerjoe... these are the ones who are the most vicious and yet these are the names that come to the forefront in discussions on NH?? I have no use for such mean people. And listen Puke, I have a friend who was a Recon Marine in Vietnam and he's a nice guy, not a mean bastard like you. We had a saying when I was brought up and it goes like this... "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all"...
My wife and I were planning on a trip to NH in a couple of months to check it out since our 5 year contract is up here and we really were considering the very expensive proposition of closing our very successful medical practice here and setting up a new one in NH (Keene maybe) but that's not going to happen now. I have no desire to spend lots of money in moving to NH just to be around mean and rude people. In fact, the 5 days we were setting aside for NH may be used for a trip to Rome instead. We have never been to Rome and quite frankly, the Romans will probably be nicer people.
Tolerance is the sign of people who are "liberty minded". I may not like some of the things you do, but I tolerate all people. I've mentioned to Ian many times in the past that if we want the liberty message to get across, we need a "big tent" philosophy. None of us will want to "pall around" with everyone, but all of us should tolerate and be civil to each other.
So "goodbye" freetalklive and Ian (sorry Mark) and "goodbye" NH. You guys have a grand old time up there and I really do hope you can make something of it but if you keep dumping on people who want to join you because they don't fit into your parameters, it's going to be a very small club indeed.
Gene (The Christian Anarchist)
P.S. I will keep my AMP going (for now) because I really do hope you people eventually "get it".
We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
Bullshit. You're just playing semantics. Whether you "screen" calls or just leave people on hold till they hang up the effect is the same- you choose who gets to talk. I don't recall ever hearing an intelligent person with an opposing opinion to yours get on. Any callers that do have opposing views (always morons) get treated exactly the way the "Freekeeners Suck - Go HOME!" guy who got on last night was.
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Chronic callers like Gene have to wait to make room for people who have never called before. Gene knew that, as I'd told him before.
Ho-hum. Go start your own show where you take calls in the order they called and let them yammer until they are tired of talking. I bet that will be a really great show!
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Chronic callers like Gene have to wait to make room for people who have never called before. Gene knew that, as I'd told him before.
Ho-hum. Go start your own show where you take calls in the order they called and let them yammer until they are tired of talking. I bet that will be a really great show!
We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
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Sucks to get caught in a lie , huh?
And since when does pointing out that something sucks automatically mean that I can do it better, or even want to? My underwear are falling apart, and I think they did a shitty job sewing them, does that mean I should try to sew my own?
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Ian knows I don't pull any punches in criticizing him and the show, especially in regard to the "childish bullshit" you referred to (some of which I agree with you on, but I certainly don't think all of the Keene activism is childish, or bullshit.) Additionally, I do think they occasionally tend to jump all over a caller, but....
First, that's the nature of radio. They treat callers with opposing opinions far worse on other shows. Most hosts give people far less opportunity to state their opinions, especially when they disagree with them. Often, the opposing viewpoint will be screened out before it even gets on the air. Second, Mark and Ian enjoy having people with opposing viewpoints on so they can expose them. They have a long history of letting callers show the absurdity of their viewpoints, when they disagree.
I really cannot agree with your claims.
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Chronic callers like Gene have to wait to make room for people who have never called before. Gene knew that, as I'd told him before.
Ho-hum. Go start your own show where you take calls in the order they called and let them yammer until they are tired of talking. I bet that will be a really great show!
We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
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Sucks to get caught in a lie , huh?
And since when does pointing out that something sucks automatically mean that I can do it better, or even want to? My underwear are falling apart, and I think they did a shitty job sewing them, does that mean I should try to sew my own?
What lie? We screen calls but don't refuse to take them. Screening is done to get a name, locatiom, listening method, and topic. Try again, dude.
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Chronic callers like Gene have to wait to make room for people who have never called before. Gene knew that, as I'd told him before.
Ho-hum. Go start your own show where you take calls in the order they called and let them yammer until they are tired of talking. I bet that will be a really great show!
We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
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Sucks to get caught in a lie , huh?
And since when does pointing out that something sucks automatically mean that I can do it better, or even want to? My underwear are falling apart, and I think they did a shitty job sewing them, does that mean I should try to sew my own?
What lie? We screen calls but don't refuse to take them. Screening is done to get a name, locatiom, listening method, and topic. Try again, dude.
I guess you don't understand what a lie is:
lie – noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
Saying that you don't do something, and then admitting that you actually do is a lie. Real simple.
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Thanks for the English lesson.
Thing is, I didn't say we don't screen calls. Please cite when I did.
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Thanks for the English lesson.
Thing is, I didn't say we don't screen calls. Please cite when I did.
We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on. There were 0 additional angry Keeniacs calling in last night. Not that I expect you to believe me.
Ar you smoking crack or what?
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"select" isn't "screen"..
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If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
Umm, because he's talked to them? Just a wild guess. Gene has been on the show many, many, many times.
By the way, screening means that some calls are rejected. Selecting means that some calls are preferred and hence put on the air more quickly. FTL has had a stated preference for female callers, for example, for as long as I can remember.
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Back to the original topic, I think your critique would be better directed toward the caller, not Ian. I would rather hear the back and forth conversation, even a heated conversation, rather than just some jerk rambling on and on without the hosts saying anything.
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If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
Umm, because he's talked to them? Just a wild guess. Gene has been on the show many, many, many times.
By the way, screening means that some calls are rejected. Selecting means that some calls are preferred and hence put on the air more quickly. FTL has had a stated preference for female callers, for example, for as long as I can remember.
Screening doesn't mean that calls are rejected necessarily. We can screen 100% of callers and let 100% through, and usually do. An exception to this would be a caller calling a second time in a show.
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Screening doesn't mean that calls are rejected necessarily. We can screen 100% of callers and let 100% through, and usually do. An exception to this would be a caller calling a second time in a show.
Sounds like I swapped "screen" and "select" around, then.
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is this guy fuckin' tearing up? Calm down.
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Screening doesn't mean that calls are rejected necessarily. We can screen 100% of callers and let 100% through, and usually do. An exception to this would be a caller calling a second time in a show.
Sounds like I swapped "screen" and "select" around, then.
DOI ? Maybe you made that mistake because those two words are synonymous with each other. That makes your idiot's swipe at me by playing a child's semantics game about whether calls are "selected" or "screened" look just a wee bit childish and foolish, huh?
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"Ummmm, Duh, Ian clearly said they don't Select callers they Screen them, DUUUUUH, wait a second, I mean they said they don't Screen callers, they Select them!. Ya that's it. BUT, Anybody can call in and talk about what ever they want-honest!"
If you don't screen calls, how do you know who has called before?
Umm, because he's talked to them? Just a wild guess. Gene has been on the show many, many, many times.
By the way, screening means that some calls are rejected. Selecting means that some calls are preferred and hence put on the air more quickly. FTL has had a stated preference for female callers, for example, for as long as I can remember.
Screening doesn't mean that calls are rejected necessarily. We can screen 100% of callers and let 100% through, and usually do. An exception to this would be a caller calling a second time in a show.
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Ahh, now I get it. You don't "necessarily reject calls", you tell them that they will get on, and kindly ask them if they could they please hold until it is their turn. Then you put their ass on the back of the call list and let 'em rot for a couple of fucking hours till the show ends, or they get disgusted and hang up, whichever comes first. So you have a way of not only selecting who gets to talk, you have a clever way of giving those you don't want on a little jab as well. COOL! NOT! That is just being a punk about selecting who gets to talk. It is also an insult to me by assuming that I can't understand this. The little semantics games you and your followers are playing shows a lack of basic etiquette, otherwise known as respect for others.
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You made contradictory statements that meant that at least one of them was a lie. Instead of accepting this and apologizing (the proper thing to do), you chose to deny that there had been anything wrong with these statements and engaged in a childish semantics game. You say you are a Voluntayrist, based on everyone just following a basic societal etiquette, yet you fail at following basic manners constantly, and just smirk and tell yourself that your view is right and that your Pollyanish ideas about how Voluntaryism would work are perfect. If you are not letting certain people and therefore viewpoints on, man up (otherwise known as being courteous) and tell them and your listeners instead of saying otherwise, thus treating these callers and your listeners as fools.
The part about only wanting new callers is in itself a tool for giving you more power to espouse your side of things and make diverging views look wrong or stupid. New callers are generally timid and uncomfortable, and not used to framing their opinions quickly and succinctly , especially in case an asshole host cuts him off or talks over him. It makes it easy to badger and bully people like the "FreeKeenersSUCK" guy, who was obviously real nervous about being on."Seee! People opposed to the childish antics of FreeKeners are ALL idiots!!". Suuuuuure.
People who call radio shows often understand the games played by hosts, and are able to make their points anyways and you don't want anybody that disagrees with your pet interests to even be heard-"Back to the end of the cal-line- Har Har!". This is why you don't let them back on. Unless of course they are easy to bash around (idiots) or just nutjobs that you use for filler/wallpaper (canadian mental inst. guy).
This behavior is similar to the way you handled violating L. Neil Smith,s property rights. You guys plagarized (sp?) someones work, meaning that you violated his property rights. This is a fact. Hardly Voluntaryist behavior, but also not the end of the world. You had choices to make as to how yo handle this. The proper (Voluntaryist) thing to do would have been to say:
"We are sincerely sorry for using your property without asking. We acknowledge our mistake and offer you our kindest apology for this behavior.We will discontinue using your material until such time as you declare it is permissible for us to do so. If you feel that we have damaged you in any way, we offer anything within our means to amend your grievance. We are obviously impressed with your writings, and would like to negotiate with you to use portions of them . Please forgive our blatant disregard for your personal intellectual property and accept our sincerest apology."
However, when L Neil announced his displeasure at you having used his material without permission the response was to issue him a "Slapology", an insult wrapped in an apology. First, you say
"We are real sorry for using your intellectual property without asking Blah Blah(Giving lip service to an apology)" BUT since we are self righteous pricks we will just keep doing it anyways and declare that we are right to do so-(Fuck You). The first part is to save face, and the second part is an insult. This type of behavior is partially why Anarchy or "Voluntaryism" will not work in the real world. Some People Suck and will do whatever they want, regardless of what proper behavior or etiquette is.
This is why "Voluntaryism" is noting but a Pollyanish fantasy.
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"La La Laa La, I am a Voulntaryist! I believe everyone in the world is nice and will do the "right thing" always! La La Laa La ...."
There has to be an official framework of laws dictating basic behavior and respect for others,and a method for ensuring that they are followed, exactly like the original Constitution of The United States of America.
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Bitch bitch bitch
omg you didn't take calls the way I think you should
and you don't talk to callers the way I think you should
and you don't use words the way I think you should
and you don't wipe your ass how I think you should
and you suck and because you suck voluntarism sucks
and and and and
Good lord.... stfu and go do your own thing and do it better if you think they suck so bad. Stop trying to dictate to these people how the fuck THEY do THEIR fucking show. Fucking children.. god grow up
fuck
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Wait.....you're the same jackass who came in here yelling about how the AMP program is ripping people off, and basically called the entire forum a bunch of faggots, right?
Man, you need a hobby. Or rather, a better hobby than going ballistic on the forum of a show you hate whose philosophy you don't support. I hear knitting is fulfilling.
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Wait.....you're the same jackass who came in here yelling about how the AMP program is ripping people off, and basically called the entire forum a bunch of faggots, right?
Man, you need a hobby. Or rather, a better hobby than going ballistic on the forum of a show you hate whose philosophy you don't support. I hear knitting is fulfilling.
I know I've been as guilty as anyone else, but...
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I have called in twice. I had everything written down, and follow Rush's guidelines to the best of my ability. I got my points out. Ian asked a good question and I didn't have a good enough answer. (By the way, the reason, countries with subsidised health care take such good care of the old, is that retired persons are Socialist's most reliable voting block.)
They take pretty good care of interesting callers. If people get personal why wouldn't Ian get defensive? I have heard callers who were statist, yet civil, and those conversations were pretty interesting.
If I was going to bust Ian's balls about anything, it's his glossing over of OTN Sam and his yelling and aggression toward that cup dude. I admire Sam, but I think he has anger issues that need to be admitted too and addressed.
I expect someone who stands up to cops to show restraint on some unarmed annoying douche bag.
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Wait.....you're the same jackass who came in here yelling about how the AMP program is ripping people off, and basically called the entire forum a bunch of faggots, right?
Man, you need a hobby. Or rather, a better hobby than going ballistic on the forum of a show you hate whose philosophy you don't support. I hear knitting is fulfilling.
You sir are a Liar.
Edit: I am told that you are in fact a female, and I apologize for such a grievous error on my part to not check your profile. See how easy it is to admit that you have made a mistake and apologize?
So,
You, Fine lady, are a Liar!
I said nothing of the sort, and you know it. That bombastic misleading statement is meant to fool people into believing something that is simply not true. In other words, you like to treat people like fools by lying to them. Not an endearing character trait in my book.
I guess you guys do not understand the issue. The program is titled "Free Talk Live", and the tagline is "FreeTalkLive. Where YOU CONTROL THE AIRWAVES Blah Blah". which is repeated approximately 5 gazillion times during every show. According to what Ian says, this is a complete lie, and that they do in fact choose who gets to talk, and it is they that are controlling the airwaves, not YOU. If that's the way it is, then FINE say so. Saying one thing and doing another is deceptive, and treats those that believe there is no controlled agenda to the program as fools. Lying to somebody is an insult. It implies that they are so stupid that you can say what ever you want , regardless of the truth,and that they will buy it. Maybe some of you don't consider that an insult, but I sure do. It is just basic etiquette.
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Rillian is a chick. The proper term is....
You, You lovely, fine, member of the female persuasion are a liar.
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You sir are a Liar.
I said nothing of the sort, and you know it.
A) Not a sir, and B) Not a liar. It was a question.
And it turns out that I was right, actually-- Exhibit A (general moronity) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34253.0), Exhibit B (amp bitching) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34299.0) and Exhibit C (faggotorial accusations) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34299.60).
In which case....again, knitting. And sedatives. Many sedatives.
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You sir are a Liar.
I said nothing of the sort, and you know it.
A) Not a sir, and B) Not a liar. It was a question.
And it turns out that I was right, actually-- Exhibit A (general moronity) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34253.0), Exhibit B (amp bitching) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34299.0) and Exhibit C (faggotorial accusations) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34299.60).
In which case....again, knitting. And sedatives. Many sedatives.
I stand by every post that I have made, especially the ones you are pointing out. If you don't like what I have to say, tough shit. I never called the entire forum a bunch of faggots. I called a couple of faggots a couple of faggots. Sometimes you just have to call a rose a rose. Your implication that I called everyone here a faggot is a complete lie and an insult not just to me, but everyone that you intended to deceive.I also never said that AMP is a "ripoff" in any way shape or form. I said that some specific morons were morons for doing it. Again- you are lying.
I suspect that you may in fact be sedated, you are obviously delusional.
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I stand by every post that I have made, especially the ones you are pointing out.
Of course you do.
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I stand by every post that I have made, especially the ones you are pointing out.
Of course you do.
"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
-Robert A. Heinlein, science-fiction author (1907-1988)
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Bitch bitch bitch
omg you didn't take calls the way I think you should
and you don't talk to callers the way I think you should
and you don't use words the way I think you should
and you don't wipe your ass how I think you should
and you suck and because you suck voluntarism sucks
and and and and
Good lord.... stfu and go do your own thing and do it better if you think they suck so bad. Stop trying to dictate to these people how the fuck THEY do THEIR fucking show. Fucking children.. god grow up
fuck
Wow, so witty. The issue wasn't about usage of words, that was about Ian's (and followers) childish semantics game when he was caught in a lie, wherein I simply held up a mirror, exposing it. Nor is it about my opinion of the childish antics Ian seems to think constitute "activism". It also isn't about how "THEY" do "THEIR SHOW". The issue was about whether the folks running this show are deceiving the listeners about it being "FreeTalkLive, Where YOU CONTROL THE AIRWAVES. According to Ian, they do in fact choose who gets to talk, and coincidentally the callers chosen all seem to bolster the pet causes of the host(s).Those who make the pet causes look good get on all the time and are coaxed and coddled to make them appear intelligent while those who can make sensible points about things like the childish antics of FreeKeener's for instance are generally never heard. Instead what you do hear from those that disagree with the FK/FSP is somebody who is nervous and can't quite make a sensible argument, and is badgered around, cut off, treated like an asshole, and generally made to look like an idiot, thereby painting the whole opposition to the childish antics of FKers and FSPers with the same brush of association. This is the standard tactic of the entire crooked agenda driven media system in this country, and saying this show is somehow different is a slap in the face.
Again: Since they are choosing who gets to talk, it isn't "FreeTalk" at all, it is an agenda driven show and saying otherwise is an insult.
But hey, if being lied to and treated like a fucking FOOL is ok with you, then Bully for you, eat it up!
Personally, I don't like being lied to.
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They are choosing when, not who. Try it. Call in. Discuss it on air with them. They won't screen you out. They even seem to enjoy being trolled, as long as the limit to it isn't dropping the F-bomb.
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They are choosing when, not who. Try it. Call in. Discuss it on air with them. They won't screen you out. They even seem to enjoy being trolled, as long as the limit to it isn't dropping the F-bomb.
OK, you are not smart enough to figure out that being made to wait for hours does in fact exclude people from the show, I get it.
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"Duhh, why would holding for hours exclude me from talking? I believe everything I am told and I will attack you if you don't, so THERE! Duhhhh, Geez, why do people think about stuff so much anyways?"
Here is an example that maybe you can get your pea-sized brain around then: You call me up and I say" Hey thanks for calling I really want to talk to you, just a second, hang on, OK?" Then I swap to another call and let you rot- forever. Your choice is to either sit there like a FOOL, or hang up, because I have no intention of talking to you at all, EVER. You don't understand that I am NOT ALLOWING YOU TO TALK eh? Not only would I be denying you the chance to talk, I would be slapping your face and snickering about it, while you waste your time holding. HAR HAR!
Go right ahead and believe that black is white, you apparently enjoy being treated like a FOOL.
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Awe, now, there there, don't cry little boy. Everything will be Just Fine! I didn't mean to make you cry by pointing out that you are a fool. Now run along, your idol Ian is calling you! Go play like a good little boy! Don't forget your sack of weed and a couple of 40 ouncers, you boys are supposed to play "political activist" in the park later, remember?
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waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaa.... waaaaaaa... and then waaaaaaa waaaaaaa..... I are angry waaaaaa.
hmmm let's play the credibility game. Who has more? The people who sacrifice their time and skin in opposition to the overwhelming force of the police state or the forum troll that spends all his time online bitching but otherwise not doing shit.
lmao. hmmmm
Ignored... goodbye dumbass... lol
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waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaa.... waaaaaaa... and then waaaaaaa waaaaaaa..... I are angry waaaaaa.
hmmm let's play the credibility game. Who has more? The people who sacrifice their time and skin in opposition to the overwhelming force of the police state or the forum troll that spends all his time online bitching but otherwise not doing shit.
lmao. hmmmm
Ignored... goodbye dumbass... lol
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(http://www.foodmatters.tv/images/assets/noise-fingers-in-ears.jpg)
The Hx : "I am Ignoring You!, LALALALA! I can't Hear you! LALALALA!Your a POOPOO Head! LALALA Ian is my hero, LALALA Your a POOPOO face! LALALA"
Awe now, cmon little boy, you don't have to cry. You can come back and play with the big boys when you are done running around with your fingers in your ears....
Credibility game? Is that supposed to be a fucking JOKE? So, the tactic of FreeKeene movement for winning over the general population to bring about meaningful reform is to hang out in the fucking park and smoke weed and drink Beer!?!? I have news for you there simpleton, all that is doing is making EVERYBODY involved look like a bunch of idiots. So you think that Idiots that hang out in the park fucking off have "credibility" eh? SUUUUUURE little boy, you have it all figured out. By that logic, every god damned worthless derelict hanging out drinking and smoking weed in every park in the country is "credible" and a "political activist". Ya dude, you are playing the credibility game alright, but you are apparently too stupid to figure out that you are LOSING!
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2TD6V0BX_FueaM:http://www.passedoutwookies.com/images/wookies/picnic_drunk.jpg&t=1)(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9sH-8qGAaFLasoZM4TFU-CCsIMsmZyYlEzoYh6Mlt7jNU-zU&t=1&usg=__wbkRCGlMQkkFzY2veuHZZ-S7MCE=)(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDOh_lYr5fEhdrJGbeG2XSnMm0y35hnhrniiLasnF-NQEGY54&t=1&usg=__y7H_KsoM5FUo7lmTagD9qLhCnGE=)
"Hey maaan, lay off, I am a political activist, you're just too square to get our MESSAGE man, cough cough! We are taking over this town!If you don't think this is activism, then you're with the PIGS maaan!Liberty! FreeKeene Maaaan!"
A good question would be whether this is being done on purpose, or is everyone doing this just so stupid that you can't figure out that it is detrimental to you being taken seriously?
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The ignore option here is an amazing freedom solution to tuning out trolls without censoring them. Great feature FTL. Thanks!!
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You have a legitimate point in saying that Ian cuts people off, seen that mentioned a few times before, but the "Ian lied" accusation doesn't fit.
They screen callers to see who is who.. maybe someone already called in previously during the same show, maybe it's skirt who'll be bumped up before the lads, maybe it's someone who has specific info on whatever the current topic is, etc. Depending on details like that, they'll select who's up next.
Sometimes the hosts try too hard to get all the callers on, saying "Caller you're next! You've got the last 20 seconds so get it out quick!" ... the caller says "uuhh derrrrr.." and that's how the show ends (badly).
From what I hear, the callers who get bumped to the back of the line are the regular callers (what happened to "drunk" Jeremy by the way?) like Gene. Gene has a lot of good info and passes it on well, usually. It doesn't seem quite right to put him on hold for hours, or anyone, but what ya gonna do?
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FTL is FTL. It's not the Gene show (just using that as an example, no offense to Gene intended). Anyone who calls more than once a week expecting more than a few minutes of time as a caller simply needs to go do their own show. Then they can have all the time they want. Or, if they have something more critical to say that is not being said elsewhere, ask for a lengthier interview.
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I cut people off? You must be listening to the wrong show. Last night we kept the most oppositional caller for a segment and invited him for another one, but he hung up.
Next time you hear it, please call me out on-the-air, so I'll know I've been a bad boy.
Yes, you cut people off and/or talk over them unless they agree with you, just like yesterday's show with the dillrod from Keene that called in. You call your show "Free Talk", but it is nothing of the sort. When the guy wanted to talk you (or mark- don't recall exactly) announced that "this isn't a soapbox" ,talked over him, cut him off, treated him like an asshole, and then proceeded to treat the show as YOUR soapbox. I didn't agree with the caller, but you guys did chop his call up and badger him to the point that he got disgusted and hung up. Hardly "free talk". Perhaps you should rename the show "We talk, and if you say anything we don't like we talk over you, Live". I have no desire for being treated like this, so don't expect a call from me, ever. BTW, this guy seemed like he was intentionally setting himself up to be knocked down. I am suspicious that he was a plant by you guys to make yourselves look like you are "winning" (or actually having) discussions .
First, you say they cut people off, then, its you cut people off and or talk over them, then you give one incident. Then you say can't recall if it was Ian or Mark, then you say they chopped up the guys call. I'm going out on a limb here and say that there was no plant and it was you who called. That would explain why you are so angry and why you are exaggerating! If it was not you, I would suggest you listen to the archives and refresh your memory; they are free, that is unless you claim they aren't!
Free Talk does not mean you can say whatever you want as I am pretty sure profanity is not allowed. There is a line radio talk show host have to draw; profanity is one and if someone is not making any sense or saying stupid stuff while making no sense would be another.
The beautiful thing about freedom is; if you don't like the show, you can turn it off!
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I cut people off? You must be listening to the wrong show. Last night we kept the most oppositional caller for a segment and invited him for another one, but he hung up.
Next time you hear it, please call me out on-the-air, so I'll know I've been a bad boy.
Yes, you cut people off and/or talk over them unless they agree with you, just like yesterday's show with the dillrod from Keene that called in. You call your show "Free Talk", but it is nothing of the sort. When the guy wanted to talk you (or mark- don't recall exactly) announced that "this isn't a soapbox" ,talked over him, cut him off, treated him like an asshole, and then proceeded to treat the show as YOUR soapbox. I didn't agree with the caller, but you guys did chop his call up and badger him to the point that he got disgusted and hung up. Hardly "free talk". Perhaps you should rename the show "We talk, and if you say anything we don't like we talk over you, Live". I have no desire for being treated like this, so don't expect a call from me, ever. BTW, this guy seemed like he was intentionally setting himself up to be knocked down. I am suspicious that he was a plant by you guys to make yourselves look like you are "winning" (or actually having) discussions .
First, you say they cut people off, then, its you cut people off and or talk over them, then you give one incident. Then you say can't recall if it was Ian or Mark, then you say they chopped up the guys call. I'm going out on a limb here and say that there was no plant and it was you who called. That would explain why you are so angry and why you are exaggerating! If it was not you, I would suggest you listen to the archives and refresh your memory; they are free, that is unless you claim they aren't!
Free Talk does not mean you can say whatever you want as I am pretty sure profanity is not allowed. There is a line radio talk show host have to draw; profanity is one and if someone is not making any sense or saying stupid stuff while making no sense would be another.
The beautiful thing about freedom is; if you don't like the show, you can turn it off!
I must say I LOVE the insinuation that it was ME who made that call! Hilarious! Well, guess what? I HAVE CALLED the show, a couple of times, but you are not going to "hear it in the archives" BECAUSE I WAS "PUT ON HOLD" (excluded from talking-NOT FREETALK)AND NEVER GOT ON THE SHOW. You are a real whiz -bang there dude- "Hey man, Like, just check the archives to see how "free" it is MAaaan" Oh Really Maaaan? It is what you are NOT HEARING in the archives that was the entire point I was making. You DON'T hear intelligent people who disagree with them, and in every case that they let on someone who does disagree (ESPECIALLY with anything FreeKeene related) the callers are nervous first time callers and generally idiots(like the freekeeners suck guy thursday), who are then badgered, bulllied, talked over, made to look like fools and then cut off, it is a fact. My comments about the content of the show had nothing to do with profanity either , they were about whether freedom of expression of divergent ideas were part of the show, and they are obviously not.
Now, about the "If you don't like it then don't listen" garbage you spewed. Let me make something perfectly clear: I could care less about the radio show, AND I rarely listen to it. I do however care about the public perception of the Liberty movement in general, and the FreeKeener BS is a zit on our collective image, and Ian in particular seems to be leading the charge of the idiots hellbent on smearing the public image of the FreeKeene/FSP, and by association, the entire Liberty movement..
The question is : Are the people involved in FreeKeene smearing the image of the FreeKeene/FSP on purpose, or are they just naive idiots that don't understand how the world works?
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I, for one, didn't realize you were speaking from experience. That sucks.
For what it's worth both times I called, I called in early, in the first 20 minutes or so.
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What I still haven't figured out is: What's the point of this ranting and raving?
There have been times I called the show and not gotten on for an hour. I know from experience that if I call after 9 pm that it's a crapshoot whether I'll get on at all. And I'm one of the AMP program's largest financial contributors (the AMP lines cost me between $60-100 a month depending on call volume).
So I know that if I have something I want to call in about, I do it early, "at the top of the show," as Ian likes to say.
I expect Ian to do what's best for the show, and while I might have a minor quibble here and there, I don't think this qualifies as something worth bitching about.
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They are choosing when, not who. Try it. Call in. Discuss it on air with them. They won't screen you out. They even seem to enjoy being trolled, as long as the limit to it isn't dropping the F-bomb.
OK, you are not smart enough...
Fuck you. That's where I stopped reading.
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Stoker you're just being an ass. Ian can be a jerk sometimes but you need to remove this stick you have up your ass. Chronic callers get annoying and I'm glad he puts new callers ahead of them. So what if Gene had to wait over an hour one night
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Stoker you're just being an ass. Ian can be a jerk sometimes but you need to remove this stick you have up your ass. Chronic callers get annoying and I'm glad he puts new callers ahead of them. So what if Gene had to wait over an hour one night
Thank you for that brilliant insight. I don't consider paying attention as "having a stick up my ass". If you don't like little things like details and prefer to accept what you are told without question, that is your right. I prefer to look at things analytically and will continue to do so, and I am not looking for your permission or validation.
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I dont think I've ever waited for over 2 minutes.
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I don't think I've ever waited more than 30 seconds, and that's when I called during a break.
Because I am awesome.
(Actually, because I am a girl-type. But just pretend.)
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I cut people off? You must be listening to the wrong show. Last night we kept the most oppositional caller for a segment and invited him for another one, but he hung up.
Next time you hear it, please call me out on-the-air, so I'll know I've been a bad boy.
Yes, you cut people off and/or talk over them unless they agree with you, just like yesterday's show with the dillrod from Keene that called in. You call your show "Free Talk", but it is nothing of the sort. When the guy wanted to talk you (or mark- don't recall exactly) announced that "this isn't a soapbox" ,talked over him, cut him off, treated him like an asshole, and then proceeded to treat the show as YOUR soapbox. I didn't agree with the caller, but you guys did chop his call up and badger him to the point that he got disgusted and hung up. Hardly "free talk". Perhaps you should rename the show "We talk, and if you say anything we don't like we talk over you, Live". I have no desire for being treated like this, so don't expect a call from me, ever. BTW, this guy seemed like he was intentionally setting himself up to be knocked down. I am suspicious that he was a plant by you guys to make yourselves look like you are "winning" (or actually having) discussions .
First, you say they cut people off, then, its you cut people off and or talk over them, then you give one incident. Then you say can't recall if it was Ian or Mark, then you say they chopped up the guys call. I'm going out on a limb here and say that there was no plant and it was you who called. That would explain why you are so angry and why you are exaggerating! If it was not you, I would suggest you listen to the archives and refresh your memory; they are free, that is unless you claim they aren't!
Free Talk does not mean you can say whatever you want as I am pretty sure profanity is not allowed. There is a line radio talk show host have to draw; profanity is one and if someone is not making any sense or saying stupid stuff while making no sense would be another.
The beautiful thing about freedom is; if you don't like the show, you can turn it off!
I must say I LOVE the insinuation that it was ME who made that call! Hilarious! Well, guess what? I HAVE CALLED the show, a couple of times, but you are not going to "hear it in the archives" BECAUSE I WAS "PUT ON HOLD" (excluded from talking-NOT FREETALK)AND NEVER GOT ON THE SHOW. You are a real whiz -bang there dude- "Hey man, Like, just check the archives to see how "free" it is MAaaan" Oh Really Maaaan? It is what you are NOT HEARING in the archives that was the entire point I was making. You DON'T hear intelligent people who disagree with them, and in every case that they let on someone who does disagree (ESPECIALLY with anything FreeKeene related) the callers are nervous first time callers and generally idiots(like the freekeeners suck guy thursday), who are then badgered, bulllied, talked over, made to look like fools and then cut off, it is a fact. My comments about the content of the show had nothing to do with profanity either , they were about whether freedom of expression of divergent ideas were part of the show, and they are obviously not.
Now, about the "If you don't like it then don't listen" garbage you spewed. Let me make something perfectly clear: I could care less about the radio show, AND I rarely listen to it. I do however care about the public perception of the Liberty movement in general, and the FreeKeener BS is a zit on our collective image, and Ian in particular seems to be leading the charge of the idiots hellbent on smearing the public image of the FreeKeene/FSP, and by association, the entire Liberty movement..
The question is : Are the people involved in FreeKeene smearing the image of the FreeKeene/FSP on purpose, or are they just naive idiots that don't understand how the world works?
Maybe you could have a sex change operation then you could call in first? :P
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I was only on hold for a whole 5 seconds tonight. Of course, it was my 1st call ever, it was Sunday, and I think they had 3 callers the entire night :) Shomer fucking Shabbos.
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We don't select calls. If you call and hold, you'll get on.
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa (rolling on the floor)...
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OK. After just discovering this thread and reviewing all that's been said, Stoker is correct (as I've said before) the name of the show is misleading. It used to be Freetalk Live. It used to be that one could call and wait for 5 or so callers and get on to talk about whatever subject one wanted (which made for a very unusual and entertaining show). Now the format is different. The first hour can pretty much be considered dedicated to either a guest or a particular news story that Ian finds compelling. The next hour you will pretty much only hear callers talking about what the news story or guest was talking about (coincidence?). Maybe the last hour some callers will be able to change the subject and talk about what they feel is important, but don't expect them to get much time. If you want to get some time on the air, just call praising the "activism" in Keene or boobies or weed. (Hey, I don't have anything against any of those subjects, but it's getting REAL boring and predictable).
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I think I would prefer to call on Sundays. Because I am very fearful I will drop a curse word and have to be let go. I think I would very much like a FTL type show on satellite radio so the dump for cursing button never has to get used.
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Wow, I clicked on a thread called "critique" and got a rant, a very long rant. I think Ian is a crazy jerk who tends to get personal and defensive on certain callers, but can't agree with anything Stoker is saying, mostly because the manner in which he says it. He seems to be the forum ranter.
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(Hey, I don't have anything against any of those subjects, but it's getting REAL boring and predictable).
THIS
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Wow, I clicked on a thread called "critique" and got a rant, a very long rant. I think Ian is a crazy jerk who tends to get personal and defensive on certain callers, but can't agree with anything Stoker is saying, mostly because the manner in which he says it. He seems to be the forum ranter.
This guy is an obvious sock puppet account created to attack me in a childish and tactless manner. (guess who?)
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wait, who's the sock puppet and who's childish and tactless...
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wait, who's the sock puppet and who's childish and tactless...
You are the sock puppet, and everybody involved with the running of this site are tactless and childish.
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Stoker, sigh.
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wait, who's the sock puppet and who's childish and tactless...
You are the sock puppet, and everybody involved with the running of this site are tactless and childish.
Really, have you read anything else on this forum besides this thread...This account was created in February. Do you think they held onto a sock puppet account for 7 months just to attack you personally?
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FTL is FTL. It's not the Gene show (just using that as an example, no offense to Gene intended). Anyone who calls more than once a week expecting more than a few minutes of time as a caller simply needs to go do their own show. Then they can have all the time they want. Or, if they have something more critical to say that is not being said elsewhere, ask for a lengthier interview.
I figured that out as a newish listener and new caller. I enjoyed the rush of having a public stage for my views so I called in 2 or 3 times a week for a few weeks... and I found myself waiting, and waiting, and waiting. Then I realized that I was one of those "chronic callers" that they mention on the show, and cut it back to a couple times a month.
So last night I called in for the first time in a few months, using my BBS name instead of my actual first name for the first time. And guess how long I waited? A FREAKING HOUR AND A HALF!!! Oh horrors! It's censorship! I think I'll make a thread on the BBS to complain!
...Or not, because the reason I waited so long is because, contrary to the position of the OP, they had a lengthy, reasonable discussion with someone with contrary views, which took almost a half an hour (if I remember correctly), then there was the news, and then two more people in front of me. And then I had my turn, and I think it went pretty well.
Perhaps if the OP decided to try it for himself, he would realize how wrong he is -- and that is why he almost certainly will not.