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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: AngryHateMusic on July 31, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
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Ian mentions in the FTL2009-07-30 broadcast, conformity testing.
I believe he was referring to the ASCH "Conformity" Experiment 1955 in which subjects select the longest line length, this example of majority influence over an individual is simple and telling.
Another and more interesting case is the Milgram "Obedience" Experiment 1963 in which they led people to beleive they were delivering electric shocks to subjects that answerred incorrectly. See just how much hurt an individual will inflict when "just following orders".
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I think Julia mentioned that she didn't think she'd fall for the conformity trick.
Yeah, the vast majority of people say that.
Also: Zimbardo's Prison experiment.
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Both the shocking and the prison experiments had really wild results.
The people had a much easier time shocking the people, but if they were told a puppy was being hurt? Different results.
Look into the ones where they set three people at a table. Two were planted and one was the mark. The plants would agree to some things that the mark knew were wrong yet the mark went along with it.
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Still, they need to explain why a few of us simply are "Fuck you" in regards to conformity. And I don't mean the fellas that walk around barefoot talking to themselves along the highway shoulder.
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Still, they need to explain why a few of us simply are "Fuck you" in regards to conformity. And I don't mean the fellas that walk around barefoot talking to themselves along the highway shoulder.
I would theorize that some of it has to do with the way we were raised. Many liberty minded people didn't have the most stable childhood, maybe that allows a break from the propaganda?
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Still, they need to explain why a few of us simply are "Fuck you" in regards to conformity. And I don't mean the fellas that walk around barefoot talking to themselves along the highway shoulder.
I would theorize that some of it has to do with the way we were raised. Many liberty minded people didn't have the most stable childhood, maybe that allows a break from the propaganda?
An unstable childhood seems to be a common theme.
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There was this study into the human herd mentality at leeds university.
http://www.adsavvy.org/understanding-the-human-herd-mentality/ (http://www.adsavvy.org/understanding-the-human-herd-mentality/)
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Still, they need to explain why a few of us simply are "Fuck you" in regards to conformity. And I don't mean the fellas that walk around barefoot talking to themselves along the highway shoulder.
I would theorize that some of it has to do with the way we were raised. Many liberty minded people didn't have the most stable childhood, maybe that allows a break from the propaganda?
I would say my childhood was meh, but nothing to turn into a movie for Lifetime TV special.
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Still, they need to explain why a few of us simply are "Fuck you" in regards to conformity. And I don't mean the fellas that walk around barefoot talking to themselves along the highway shoulder.
I would theorize that some of it has to do with the way we were raised. Many liberty minded people didn't have the most stable childhood, maybe that allows a break from the propaganda?
An unstable childhood seems to be a common theme.
Not in my case. It was probably driven (in my case) due to constantly getting smashed over the head by idiot leftist teachers in general ed/English classes.
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I actually have a book written by the Milgram guy about his experiment.
If I remember right.
Most of the people did object, they just went ahead with the experiment anyways.
A number of them did refuse to go on with the experiments at some point. I can't remember what the number was but I think it was something like 1/4 or 1/3 refused at some point.
The rate of compliance was much higher in other countries where similar experiments were conducted. Germany was something like 80% compliance rates.
They said that interviews with those people who refused said that they had much stronger moral convictions than those who did not.
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My parents were about the most caring I've ever seen. My childhood was fine. Yet I've always been a little "off" the norm as far as actions and thoughts go.
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I think Julia mentioned that she didn't think she'd fall for the conformity trick.
Yeah, the vast majority of people say that.
I wish I could say that about myself for sure. I don't consider myself a conformist, but I also dislike attracting attention to myself, and I do think that in some cases there is wisdom in avoiding rocking the boat.
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From my earliest memories, I recall an aversion to conformity. If it was due to parenting, it happended before about 4 years old.
I was having "problems" within the first couple weeks of Kindergarten. I didn't feel compelled to ask permission to go to the restroom. I didn't care about the gold stars on the chart and I didn't want to drive the trash-train. Rewards didn't work on me.
I remember taking my own sheet of gold stars. When the teacher offered an "opportunity" to earn a star, I told her I had plenty.
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I think many of us on this board have an aversion to conformity. I've always argued with my teachers, rabbis, and authority figures if I thought my opinion was better when others would just nod their heads and accept whatever they were told.
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I think many of us on this board have an aversion to conformity. I've always argued with my teachers, rabbis, and authority figures if I thought my opinion was better when others would just nod their heads and accept whatever they were told.
Nonconformism is when you have more metal in your face (as piercings) than your car. Arguing with those in positions of power over their stupidity, which you are a direct victim of its results, is simply thinking of yourself. :)
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I think many of us on this board have an aversion to conformity. I've always argued with my teachers, rabbis, and authority figures if I thought my opinion was better when others would just nod their heads and accept whatever they were told.
Nonconformism is when you have more metal in your face (as piercings) than your car. Arguing with those in positions of power over their stupidity, which you are a direct victim of its results, is simply thinking of yourself. :)
Everyone I associate with has extensive piercings; but I don't....