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Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« on: January 11, 2012, 11:50:48 PM »

I'm a long time Free Talk Live listener but first time poster. I was wondering if it could be possible to get Jared Taylor on the show. He runs an anti-immigration organization known as American Renaissance (Website www.AmRen.com) and basically argues that legal & illegal immigration causes tension with the 'native' population and needs to be prevented. There's quite a few videos of him on youtube if anyone wants to learn more. He's not really fringe-- Jared has been on CNN, NBC, Joe Scarborough, and the young Turks before.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 12:13:51 AM »

He runs an anti-immigration organization known as American Renaissance  and basically argues that legal & illegal immigration causes tension with the 'native' population and needs to be prevented.

I'm pretty sure these guys felt the same way, but that didn't stop the "white man" from coming here, did it?

Maybe this Jared Taylor guy oughta think about this before running his mouth, lest he be called a hypocrite.




Personally, I think it would be some nice ear candy to hear Ian & Mark tear this guy a new A-hole on 100 radio stations across the country on the subject.

Send an e-mail to Mark. Maybe he could set it up.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 12:25:52 AM »

I do think it would be a good debate. Jared Taylor is basically the go-to guy when it comes to immigration. I don't have Mark's email address so I can't do that though..
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 12:28:18 AM »

I'll ask him about it.

Cant hurt to give it a try.

I'd imagine he would either say yes or no.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 12:50:43 AM »



I'd imagine he would either say yes or no.

Really?
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 12:55:49 AM »



I'd imagine he would either say yes or no.

Really?

I was trying my best to be Captain Obvious there.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 11:57:36 AM »

Why would they want to give this guy a platform for that sort of speech? It's not the kind of thing they do. It's rare for them to have guests at all and in particular I don't see them having guests on that they sharply disagree with. I don't see them inviting politicians with strongly-opposing views, etc. This seems very out of character. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The guy can always call in, of course.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 12:03:17 PM »

I think it would make for great radio.

The side effect would be all the listeners that agree with the douchebag calling in to defend his side.

I've heard Ian say many times that having nothing but cheerleaders gets boring and that he wishes more people would call in that disagree because it makes for better radio. What better way to do this than to have a guest like that on?

I'm just looking at it from a ratings standpoint.


It would help.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 12:12:54 PM »

I've heard Ian say many times that having nothing but cheerleaders gets boring and that he wishes more people would call in that disagree because it makes for better radio. What better way to do this than to have a guest like that on?

I'm just looking at it from a ratings standpoint.

You're probably right strictly from a ratings standpoint. I don't think Ian is inclined to do stunts like that just for ratings. That was my point. I don't think they will consider it very seriously. If so, they'd be doing this stunt with all sorts of guests who are anti-liberty.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 12:20:05 PM »

I've heard Ian say many times that having nothing but cheerleaders gets boring and that he wishes more people would call in that disagree because it makes for better radio. What better way to do this than to have a guest like that on?

I'm just looking at it from a ratings standpoint.

You're probably right strictly from a ratings standpoint. I don't think Ian is inclined to do stunts like that just for ratings. That was my point. I don't think they will consider it very seriously. If so, they'd be doing this stunt with all sorts of guests who are anti-liberty.

I think you're right.

I just think its a mistake on their part. I say bring everything center stage, out in the open where everyone can see it, make their case and expose these people for what they are. Bring em all out of the woodwork, calling in to defend the guy. Then we would really get the conversation going.

Its a win-win.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 11:46:02 PM »

Especially considering the fact that most Republicans, and a considerable amount of their listeners, probably are anti-illegal immigration as well. It would be a great discussion to have with a real expert.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 12:42:14 AM »

After years of personal deliberation I proudly announce that I am still no further along in reaching a unanimous decision on this issue.

Mike- the current state of natives in America says all that needs to be said.. they should have done more to prevent the invasion by Europeans. The native culture as it is widely known today is only a commercial representation, which sucks. My Papaw's mother was Choctaw - but I know nothing firsthand about the culture or people because he was raised to be embarrassed of his lineage.

I know enough about the popular opinion in Libertarian circles regarding lineage, culture, immigration, etc. to know that my own opinion is unwelcome, but I oppose Taylor's opinion too. I don't think either end is proper or logical.. Libertarian ideas are backed with good intention but simply aren't realistic. AmRen's approach is exclusive and fascist. Any place worth living on the planet has some measure of immigration control. Just isn't realistic to think that open borders will become a reality in the US, so I place this issue equal in priority as "The Roads" issue that so often comes along.

Not to mention the real reason politicians do not enforce border control. It's like a huge open boil on the nose that everyone politely refuses to acknowledge, diverting their gaze to more pleasant things... *politicians want an underclass*  - for obvious reasons that have been explained already.

There's also the other side of things which is rarely mentioned...

Why is it that predominantly "white" countries are encouraged to have open borders in the name of diversity while other countries are not?

Africa proudly proclaims that it is for Africans. Black Africans to be precise... to the extent that gov. supported extermination of white farmers is business as usual. China pretty much stays Chinese with little expectation from anyone to change. Japan practices it's own form of homogeneity by subtly shunning Gaijin. Israel builds walls to keep the riffraff out. Europeans aren't encouraged to move to Arab states. Whities are targets in many South American countries and Mexico too.

So, "white" countries are expected to have open borders and the natives of those countries are expected to stay put. Not only that but also to move aside in order to ensure the newcomers have optimal opportunity to put down new roots. And these countries are expected to bail out failing countries (Haiti)... sounds like a plan only those determined to trash their own culture could back.

To address the inevitable (this necessity a sad thing).. yes, I like being white. I lay no special claim to my "whiteness" and do not feel proud because of it. If you've been to WalMart you'll understand why I do not ascribe to theories dedicated to white supremacy. I like the culture I know. I like to explore all worthy cultures just as much as my own. I will pass knowledge of our lineage down to my kids, be it positive or negative qualities. I will continue to introduce them to all cultures, be they positive or negative.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 03:16:41 AM »

I hear what you are saying with all this. My grandmother was  full Cherokee which means I could probably get govt grant money to open a casino. Maybe the only difference between your situation and mine, is the fact that they wear it like a badge of honor when it is brough up. I dont think of it that way myself, because to me, its just different genetics. They still drive cars, have satellite TV, dont live in tee-pees. nothing left to be "proud" of really.


I guess my feelings on immigration stem from my basic core belief that NOBODY has claim over the planet or any of its part when it comes right down to it. I wasnt shot out of my moms vagina to take orders from some dude waiting outside in the real world to tell me where i can go and when. I do believe though, that societal borders are fine and they will naturally develop themselves on their own without drawing a line on a map. After all, what self respecting redneck would want to live in an all East Indian neighborhood, with the smell of curry spewing out of every open window and vice versa? I dont think either party would be happy with that, so they would natually gravitate towards "their own".


The problem with my way of thinking, is that it exists outside of the current bullshit political environment we live under right now. The argument is "well, if you let the mexicans in, theyll vote for more free stuff" The logical answer seems to be is to get rid of the system that allows people to vote to give themselves free shit at the expense of other people in the first place. We wouldn't need to worry about anyone getting free shit if that were the case.

So although I understand the argument for borders from an economic/welfare standpoint, I think if we force people out due to the welfare reasons, we will never address the real issue of getting rid of government welfare in the first place

 
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 04:27:20 AM »

If Ian believes his stuff he should welcome a bit of conflicting opinion, I know he doesn't but, with the big conservative radio hosts losing so much ground lately a opportunity to hone his persuasion skills should be welcome.
I am disappointed that opinions that conflict anyone in the FTL universe tend to be stifled.
I agree that this guest, Jered Taylor would be interesting.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 09:38:59 AM »

I am disappointed that opinions that conflict anyone in the FTL universe tend to be stifled.

Whoa... he can call in! You're asking Ian to invite him as a guest which Ian rarely does even for people who aren't antagonistic. Saying those opinions are stifled is absurd. I don't know of a single other radio station where it's so easy to call in and actually be heard. All the other ones have HEAVY call screening.
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