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I've ate plenty of acid and mushrooms in college. I had what I thought were deep insights. So I started to write them down. When I came back from my trip I read them. They were insightful but not mind blowing. Birds sure as fuck didn't split split into three separate organisms.
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Big surprise, acid trip insights not particularly insightful.
I did have some pretty awesome insights on acid & shrooms in college... when I finally "groked" material I'd been studying nonstop for weeks on end. Like certain organic chem reactions which are obvious when you have a giant molecule floating in front of you and the pi-orbitals are REALLY HUGE AND NEGATIVELY CHARGED... or like seeing the force vectors during a frisbee's flight and getting an intutive feel for the underlying equations.
But getting that point did require many many hours of solving differential equations, doing integrals, and learning about the convenient fiction of "molecular orbital diagrams". The knowledge was just under the surface, understood by rote and analytically. The drugs just sped up the process of making that understanding intuitive and wholistic.
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If I starve myself for 4 weeks, Dennis, you might look like a hamburger to me. Maybe in alternate universe you actually are a hamburger. Mmmm.
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Talking about acid trips and hamburgers reminds me of this:
You ask for a hamburger, I give you a hamburger. You raise it to your lips and take a bite. Your eye twitches involuntarily. Across the street a father of three falls down the stairs. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. I give you a hamburger. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. You cannot swallow. There are children at the top of the stairs. A pickle shifts uneasily under the bun. I give you a hamburger. You look at my face, and I am pleading with you. The children are crying now. You raise the hamburger to your lips, tears stream down your face as you take a bite. I give you a hamburger. You are on your knees. You plead with me to go across the street. I hear only children's laughter. I give you a hamburger. You are screaming as you fall down the stairs. I am your child. You cannot see anything. You take a bite of the hamburger. The concrete rushes up to meet you. You awake with a start in your own bed. Your eye twitches involuntarily. I give you a hamburger. As you kill me, I do not make a sound. I give you a hamburger.
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If you take a hallucinogen, you are likely to hallucinate. Whatever you see may not represent the actual, objective reality. Any time that you act on your subjective opinion, bad results are likely to occur.
The world exists as an objective reality, and any action taken based on the idea that your mind creates its own reality will almost certainly cause problems. Most human problems stem from the failure to realize this.
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Yes that's exactly the point I was trying to make in my call tonight. I meant to lead out after the break with the fact that every statist idea in history rests upon a moral premise based upon false belief. Ultimately, action based upon falsehood ends in the destruction of consciousness; or, the belief that the mind defines reality rather than the belief that reality is definative leads in practice to the literal non-existence of the mind. That's the point I tried and rather impressively failed to make. I'm easily sidetracked.
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Big surprise, acid trip insights not particularly insightful.
I did have some pretty awesome insights on acid & shrooms in college... when I finally "groked" material I'd been studying nonstop for weeks on end. Like certain organic chem reactions which are obvious when you have a giant molecule floating in front of you and the pi-orbitals are REALLY HUGE AND NEGATIVELY CHARGED... or like seeing the force vectors during a frisbee's flight and getting an intutive feel for the underlying equations.
But getting that point did require many many hours of solving differential equations, doing integrals, and learning about the convenient fiction of "molecular orbital diagrams". The knowledge was just under the surface, understood by rote and analytically. The drugs just sped up the process of making that understanding intuitive and wholistic.
That's an excellent high brow explanation.
The first night I tripped my lady friend and I ended up at one of those 24 hour pancake houses, 3-4 am after a night out. I remember being completely fascinated at the reflected light on the faux wood grain which revealed all the many layers of scratches & dings in it's multi-patterned surface. That of course unlocked the many secrets of the universe!
The next day however, it wasn't so brilliant afterall- but I did retain a residual underlying understanding of .. "something" - profound but all too vague.
I'd like to hear Julia tell this story first hand.
As far as splitting birds, more likely that what was seen was the same as anyone present but not tripping would have seen and that the effects of the acid created something far more profound in it's users.
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I'm not sure what you are asking.
For me, acid gives an interesting look at perspective, and it's fun, but I don't try and justify my drug use by claiming its spiritual. I eat acid because it's fun. Lots of fun.
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I've tried it a few times, and can't say I ever had much fun with it. After a few minutes, it was like, "Uh, okay--you can shut it off now. I said, that's enough!"
I've found that the only thing worse than being stoned on acid is being the straight babysitter for others who are stoned on acid. Not a fun job.
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I've found that the only thing worse than being stoned on acid is being the straight babysitter for others who are stoned on acid. Not a fun job.
Depends if you like fucking with people.
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People who get high on acid and need a babysitter either take too much acid, or don't know how to handle being temporarily insane
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People who get high on acid and need a babysitter either take too much acid, or don't know how to handle being temporarily insane
Affirmative. By far, most of my trips were without company.
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People who get high on acid and need a babysitter either take too much acid, or don't know how to handle being temporarily insane
Well, I certainly don't think your first acid trip should be taken alone. However, the babysitter doesn't necessarily need to be straight.
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I certainly don't think your first acid trip should be taken alone.
Agreed, good point
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I like acid, but it's a workout. I treat it like a lucid dream-- the first time I didn't really understand what was happening, but every time after that it has been easy to separate the trip from reality while still appreciating the trip. I wouldn't ever go out in public while tripping, and will only trip if I can hang out outside and look at the plants, the grass, the sky, and the trees in privacy. It wouldn't be good to have some straight person gawking at me while I watch the vegetation grow. Calling it "fun" seems like a misnomer. Ecstasy is fun. Acid is more like experimenting with reality. I would even call it educational.
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People who get high on acid and need a babysitter either take too much acid, or don't know how to handle being temporarily insane
Affirmative. By far, most of my trips were without company.
Is it even possible to take too much acid?
I wouldn't take acid any more. If I wanted to trip, I would just take shrooms, and only shrooms that I grew myself.
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Is it even possible to take too much acid?
Dear god yes.
I never really took "too much" myself but I've had friends take 10-15 hits at once, of stuff for which 1 hit was plenty enough for me.
I wouldn't take acid any more. If I wanted to trip, I would just take shrooms, and only shrooms that I grew myself.
Shrooms are more fun and it's nice to have a trip that ends in a few hours. You can always eat more as necessary. The visuals can be a bit much though.
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Shrooms are more fun and it's nice to have a trip that ends in a few hours. You can always eat more as necessary. The visuals can be a bit much though.
That's true-- a few hours is really plenty, especially if you want to be anything but useless the next day. The first time I took shrooms I freaked myself out by looking in a mirror....I saw myself turning into some kind of monster. The next time, I did it on purpose. :)
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Is it even possible to take too much acid?
Dear god yes.
I never really took "too much" myself but I've had friends take 10-15 hits at once, of stuff for which 1 hit was plenty enough for me.
For me, I can only trip so hard, and taking extra hits doesn't make me trip any harder. I've done 10+ hits at once. It was just a waste of acid.
I wouldn't take acid any more. If I wanted to trip, I would just take shrooms, and only shrooms that I grew myself.
Shrooms are more fun and it's nice to have a trip that ends in a few hours. You can always eat more as necessary. The visuals can be a bit much though.
I found acid and shroom trips to be almost identical including how long the trip lasts. But shroom are a little bit of work to get down.
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I like acid, but it's a workout. I treat it like a lucid dream-- the first time I didn't really understand what was happening, but every time after that it has been easy to separate the trip from reality while still appreciating the trip. I wouldn't ever go out in public while tripping, and will only trip if I can hang out outside and look at the plants, the grass, the sky, and the trees in privacy. It wouldn't be good to have some straight person gawking at me while I watch the vegetation grow. Calling it "fun" seems like a misnomer. Ecstasy is fun. Acid is more like experimenting with reality. I would even call it educational.
Acid is definitely mentally exhausting.
Ecstasy is a great deal of fun; throw in a little acid and some nitrous oxide and it's even more fun.