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Corey "Cizzle" Moore

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About the possible food shortage...
« on: January 08, 2010, 09:05:09 PM »

Ian and Mark, you need to look into Codex Alimentarius and some of the legislation that the Feds have been trying to pass for the past couple of years to restrict small farms from producing and selling food.  In the event of a food shortage, the black market will be a savior to those looking for food, but the prices will be inflated even moreso than what you can find in the grocery store because of the threat of hefty fines and imprisonment.  Its really easy to brush off this subject as crazy "survivalism", but in reality it is a legitimate concern.

And you say that we can eat canned food and drink off brand soda, but what do you suggest for people like myself that already live like this and are struggling?  Its really easy to paint every person with the same brush...
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 01:54:13 AM »

I was actually just looking into food storage for my bug-out bag and I came across this:
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http://survivalseedbank.com/

Now you can grow all the survival food you will ever need anywhere in the country with a kit that contains a special seed bank of hard to find, open pollinated… super seeds, grown by small, fiercely independent farmers.

Let’s face it. If the stories coming out on the world’s food supply are even half right, we’ve got real problems and they aren’t going to go away quickly. Here are a couple stories that I ran across recently:

    * WorldNet Daily cites strong evidence that some government agencies are stockpiling huge amounts of canned food.
    * Jim Randas, former U.S. Intelligence officer, appeared on ABC telling Americans to start stockpiling food.
    * Grocery store prices are rising faster than any time in U.S. history.
    * Worldwide grain stocks are dropping precipitously as bio-fuels consume inventories… and on and on and on.


I'm not done reading it yet though. This is what I was looking for:
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... "designed to keep seeds fresh for 20 years at 70 degrees. However, if you freeze your “seed bank” you could increase the shelf life by five times or more beyond that."

Score!

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$149

WHEW! Thats a lot. Overpriced.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2010, 01:28:44 PM »

How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 01:37:48 PM »

How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?

Answer: Live in bumfuck egypt.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2010, 02:09:37 PM »

Sounds like real trouble. You're going to need plenty of legal advice before this thing is over. As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of L.A. for at least 48 hours. Blows my weekend. Because naturally I'm going to have to go with you. And we're going to have to arm ourselves... to the teeth.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 03:06:03 PM »

I don't know about the Codex Alibaba, but I do know some farmers have told me that in the event of a serious shortage they will sell on the black market.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 03:08:35 PM »

How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?

Im in WI, not a city.  Also, walls and guns exist. 
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 03:42:36 PM »

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32063.0

I didnt want to clog up this thread with the loading of youtube videos so I made a reply on that thread (showprep 1-8) that is relevant to this one.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 05:19:10 PM »

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32063.0

I didnt want to clog up this thread with the loading of youtube videos so I made a reply on that thread (showprep 1-8) that is relevant to this one.

Yeah I agree that there is no room for fear mongering, but this is a legitimate concern.  The article did seem a bit on the reactionary side, but what if he is right?  If you look at it like that, then what he is suggesting is not so absurd anymore.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 05:37:00 PM »

The more people that take these precautions, the less trouble there will be further down the line. That said, those in large cities are just f*d most likely.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 02:03:50 PM »

I am still having trouble envisioning a scenario where it would be possible to grow a garden in the event of a "total meltdown" as it is envisioned by some of the "survival garden" retailers. I feel it is just wishful thinking.

I don't care how many guns you have, how many walls you have and how remote your residence is. The zombie horde will find you and take your shit, and if they don't... the government will say your actions are illegal and they will take your shit.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 04:45:38 PM »

If things ever get that bad, I'm heading to the nearest government owned forest and living there.

I got mah tent.
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Re: About the possible food shortage...
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2010, 12:02:03 AM »

If things ever get that bad, I'm heading to the nearest government owned forest and living there.

I got mah tent.

Cross your fingers nobody is already living there. Also, you need to get a map now, not when the SHTF. I think (based on my proximity) I'd attempt to head to the wilderness around the Canadian border.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19880601&id=_tgTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6wYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,569160
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 01:36:04 AM »

Today's headlines belied the food shortage story.

I'm not the most trusting of govt. stats, but this is relevent news in any case:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1212670720100112?type=marketsNews

Looks like last year's corn and soybean crops were the largest in history, though the winter plantings were tiny. A price decline following this news could present a buying opportunity, since the long term picture for commodities is still looking inflationary.

on the flip side, I drove through CA's central valley earlier this year (once the richest farmland in the country, and the desolation was shocking:

http://www.california-blog.com/photos-information-places/2009/6/2/congress-created-dust-bowl-ca.html

from where I stand, actual food shortages seem unlikely in the near future in the U.S.,  but a rise in food prices (particuarly fruits, nuts, and most products primarily grown in california, less so for gains) is certianly a possibility, as much do to the gov's printing press as supply problems.
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