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Free Talk Live => The Show => Topic started by: Corey "Cizzle" Moore on January 08, 2010, 09:05:09 PM
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Ian and Mark, you need to look into Codex Alimentarius (http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp) and some of the legislation that the Feds have been trying to pass for the past couple of years to restrict small farms from producing and selling food. In the event of a food shortage, the black market will be a savior to those looking for food, but the prices will be inflated even moreso than what you can find in the grocery store because of the threat of hefty fines and imprisonment. Its really easy to brush off this subject as crazy "survivalism", but in reality it is a legitimate concern.
And you say that we can eat canned food and drink off brand soda, but what do you suggest for people like myself that already live like this and are struggling? Its really easy to paint every person with the same brush...
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I was actually just looking into food storage for my bug-out bag and I came across this:
http://survivalseedbank.com/
Now you can grow all the survival food you will ever need anywhere in the country with a kit that contains a special seed bank of hard to find, open pollinated… super seeds, grown by small, fiercely independent farmers.
Let’s face it. If the stories coming out on the world’s food supply are even half right, we’ve got real problems and they aren’t going to go away quickly. Here are a couple stories that I ran across recently:
* WorldNet Daily cites strong evidence that some government agencies are stockpiling huge amounts of canned food.
* Jim Randas, former U.S. Intelligence officer, appeared on ABC telling Americans to start stockpiling food.
* Grocery store prices are rising faster than any time in U.S. history.
* Worldwide grain stocks are dropping precipitously as bio-fuels consume inventories… and on and on and on.
I'm not done reading it yet though. This is what I was looking for:
... "designed to keep seeds fresh for 20 years at 70 degrees. However, if you freeze your “seed bank” you could increase the shelf life by five times or more beyond that."
Score!
$149
WHEW! Thats a lot. Overpriced.
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How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?
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How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?
Answer: Live in bumfuck egypt.
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Sounds like real trouble. You're going to need plenty of legal advice before this thing is over. As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of L.A. for at least 48 hours. Blows my weekend. Because naturally I'm going to have to go with you. And we're going to have to arm ourselves... to the teeth.
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I don't know about the Codex Alibaba, but I do know some farmers have told me that in the event of a serious shortage they will sell on the black market.
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How are you planning on growing an emergency garden when you are surrounded by tens of thousands of desperate and starving people who are coming to take your shit?
Im in WI, not a city. Also, walls and guns exist.
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People are raising freaking goats and chickens in the middle of Detroit (http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/06/news/economy/detroit_food/index.htm)!
See also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32063.0
I didnt want to clog up this thread with the loading of youtube videos so I made a reply on that thread (showprep 1-8) that is relevant to this one.
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32063.0
I didnt want to clog up this thread with the loading of youtube videos so I made a reply on that thread (showprep 1-8) that is relevant to this one.
Yeah I agree that there is no room for fear mongering, but this is a legitimate concern. The article did seem a bit on the reactionary side, but what if he is right? If you look at it like that, then what he is suggesting is not so absurd anymore.
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The more people that take these precautions, the less trouble there will be further down the line. That said, those in large cities are just f*d most likely.
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I am still having trouble envisioning a scenario where it would be possible to grow a garden in the event of a "total meltdown" as it is envisioned by some of the "survival garden" retailers. I feel it is just wishful thinking.
I don't care how many guns you have, how many walls you have and how remote your residence is. The zombie horde will find you and take your shit, and if they don't... the government will say your actions are illegal and they will take your shit.
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If things ever get that bad, I'm heading to the nearest government owned forest and living there.
I got mah tent.
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If things ever get that bad, I'm heading to the nearest government owned forest and living there.
I got mah tent.
Cross your fingers nobody is already living there. Also, you need to get a map now, not when the SHTF. I think (based on my proximity) I'd attempt to head to the wilderness around the Canadian border.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19880601&id=_tgTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6wYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,569160
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Today's headlines belied the food shortage story.
I'm not the most trusting of govt. stats, but this is relevent news in any case:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1212670720100112?type=marketsNews
Looks like last year's corn and soybean crops were the largest in history, though the winter plantings were tiny. A price decline following this news could present a buying opportunity, since the long term picture for commodities is still looking inflationary.
on the flip side, I drove through CA's central valley earlier this year (once the richest farmland in the country, and the desolation was shocking:
http://www.california-blog.com/photos-information-places/2009/6/2/congress-created-dust-bowl-ca.html
from where I stand, actual food shortages seem unlikely in the near future in the U.S., but a rise in food prices (particuarly fruits, nuts, and most products primarily grown in california, less so for gains) is certianly a possibility, as much do to the gov's printing press as supply problems.
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Ah, the USDA and their fudged numbers. About the only people taking those numbers seriously are traders who aren't actually watching the news. I'll be quite shocked if actual production meets their forecast.
I still want to see numbers for SURE program applications for this year and last year, and maybe some historical data. That's how many farmers applied for crop disaster assistance, and it's not a generally released number. Guess why.
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I read a survey among survivalists somewhere, and almost everyone plans on fleeing to the woods. Second place is staying where you are. If you dont know wilderness survival then staying where you are and hunkering down may be best. If you DO know how to camp in bad conditions, you may be better off going to the places where they may be less people: mountains, deserts, swamps, and plains. Maybe.
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Sounds like real trouble. You're going to need plenty of legal advice before this thing is over. As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of L.A. for at least 48 hours. Blows my weekend. Because naturally I'm going to have to go with you. And we're going to have to arm ourselves... to the teeth.
(http://stetser.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/photo_1230743892.png)
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I read a survey among survivalists somewhere, and almost everyone plans on fleeing to the woods. Second place is staying where you are. If you dont know wilderness survival then staying where you are and hunkering down may be best. If you DO know how to camp in bad conditions, you may be better off going to the places where they may be less people: mountains, deserts, swamps, and plains. Maybe.
Urban survival is certainly possible, and it may even be easier than surviving out in the woods. I saw a book on this not long ago; I'll have to dig it up again.
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Error, when civilization doesn't come to an end this summer because there was no food storage, which new story will you embrace to hope it will collapse?
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on the flip side, I drove through CA's central valley earlier this year (once the richest farmland in the country, and the desolation was shocking:
http://www.california-blog.com/photos-information-places/2009/6/2/congress-created-dust-bowl-ca.html
I think that's because most of California imports most of the water, and drinking it is considered more important than growing rice in lakes of it.
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Error, when civilization doesn't come to an end this summer because there was no food storage, which new story will you embrace to hope it will collapse?
You are living proof that society will collapse -- and should collapse.
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Error, when civilization doesn't come to an end this summer because there was no food storage, which new story will you embrace to hope it will collapse?
You are living proof that society will collapse -- and should collapse.
TROLL'D
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I LOL'd.
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Cold Snap Is Another Blow to Florida's Farmers (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/us/14florida.html)
Vegetables were among the hardest hit. At least one major tomato grower, Ag-Mart Produce, has already declared that most of its Florida crop is “useless due to the freeze.” Other vegetable farms were expected to lose their entire crop, and wholesale prices have already increased.
“Tomatoes were down around $14 for a 25-pound box; now they are up over $20,” said Gene McAvoy, an agriculture expert with the University Florida, who predicted $100 million in vegetable losses. “Peppers — just after New Years they were $8 a box; now they’re up around $18.”
Translation: get ready to pay up to an extra dollar a pound at supermarkets in New York and Chicago.
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Damn I wish I had bought futures a couple weeks ago...
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Yeah, I would have liked to buy futures in the past too.