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What is your Religion

Atheism
- 19 (24.4%)
Christianity
- 7 (9%)
Jewish
- 1 (1.3%)
Catholic
- 1 (1.3%)
Hinduism
- 0 (0%)
Buddhism
- 1 (1.3%)
Rastafarianism
- 1 (1.3%)
Islam
- 3 (3.8%)
Taoism
- 1 (1.3%)
Neopaganism / Pagan
- 4 (5.1%)
Satanism
- 1 (1.3%)
Scientology
- 0 (0%)
Wiccan
- 0 (0%)
Pastafarian
- 0 (0%)
Animistic
- 0 (0%)
All Religions :D
- 1 (1.3%)
No Religion / Not Religious
- 19 (24.4%)
None of these
- 11 (14.1%)
Pantheism
- 2 (2.6%)
Judaism
- 2 (2.6%)
Asatru / Norse Gods
- 2 (2.6%)
Discordian/Subgenius
- 1 (1.3%)
Pantheist
- 1 (1.3%)
Government
- 0 (0%)

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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #180 on: August 11, 2008, 02:06:01 AM »

I would use my Brain-Unwasher2008 to remove all stupidity.
Cop out... no fair. You said one of your main beefs with Muslims was that they don't assimilate into our culture. I asked you what aspect of culture you'd like to mandate. You said logic and critical thinking. These are real world hypotheticals. I want a real world answer. What parts of cultural assimilation would you enforce and how would you do it?

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What shall become of me and others who are "astray"? Those of us who do not share your belief that al khaliq, with the big A, is "the" god.
Ask as a Salafi... you burn hell for all eternity. Ask traditional scholars and they will say Allahualim, "God is the Knower." In traditional schools of thought Muslims believe in Hell, but there are an incalculable number of mitigating circumstances in each soul such that one can not possibly know. For example in traditional schools a soul is only responsible for the knowledge he possesses. If he lives righteously, but never finds faith, he may be judged on his deeds. Also, a soul is only tested according to his capacity. One who strives and fails is superior to one who succeeds without effort. Also heaven and hell are not black and white. There are degrees within each. The saintly righteous receive a higher reward than the simple worshiper. And the genocidal tyrants receive a greater punishment than the common thief. Also hell is not eternal in all cases, but can be a place of atonement.

Salafis don't like these ideas. For them you're either a Salafi or your burning in hell forever. This is a new idea.
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #181 on: August 11, 2008, 02:20:41 AM »

Nonarchist- I'm attempting to prove that most ignorant terrorists in todays world are muslim. Sadly, it's easy for anyone to do so.

Let's crunch some numbers shall we... let's use a liberal estimate and assume that all 1,000,000 names on the Terrorist Watch List are all Islamic Terrorists... even Senator Edward Kennedy, author James Moore, and Bolivian president Evo Morales. In 2000 there were an estimated 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world. Fastest growing, second largest religion in the world. I'll do the math... that's a per capita terrorist rate of .05% or 1 in every 2000 Muslims.

Do you really think it's fair to generalize about a group of 2000 people because of the actions of 1?
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« Reply #182 on: August 11, 2008, 03:09:17 AM »

Your math project was fun... but out of all the terroristic violence occurring since 2000 - how much of that could be attributed to non muslim people? I don't respect violent people.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/ - it's an excellent site. Contains a running list of violent attacks. Also speaks of dhimmitude.

Anything I say to you would likely be said there. Anything you say to me I can likely read in liberal MSM.

Your level of mania is apparent. I shall offer no further challenge to you.
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« Reply #183 on: August 11, 2008, 03:13:12 AM »

Nonarchist- I'm attempting to prove that most ignorant terrorists in todays world are muslim. Sadly, it's easy for anyone to do so.

Do you really think it's fair to generalize about a group of 2000 people because of the actions of 1?

Answer the question, Hellbilly.
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #184 on: August 11, 2008, 04:13:26 AM »

Your math project was fun...
Ok... new math.
The U.N. defined terrorism as "violence against civilians to achieve political or ideological objectives." 100,000 Iraqi civilians died in the first year of the US Occupation. Not militants, not radicals... innocent men women and children. I'd call that terrorism. Estimates in 2007 said that the US had a military of 1,449,428 Total Active Duty Personnel and a population of 301,139,947 citizens. Crunch the numbers... that's a per capita terrorist rate of 4.8% or 1 in 207 Americans.

And yet I don't make that generalization about Americans... or even soldiers. My good friend Khaled served two terms in Iraq.

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but out of all the terroristic violence occurring since 2000 - how much of that could be attributed to non muslim people?
Did you look into those logical fallacies? Unrepresentative sample, Correlation not Causation, and Single Cause.

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I don't respect violent people.
No one is asking you to respect violent people. I'm asking you to respect the other 99.95% of Muslims.

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/ - it's an excellent site.
That's a matter of opinion

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Contains a running list of violent attacks. Also speaks of dhimmitude.
What this? You ever think of using a terrorism watch site that lists all attacks instead of just attacks committed by Muslims? I recommend http://www.satp.org/. Best of all they actually tell you what organization perpetrated the attack, and what their goals and objectives are. Instead of just a number the word "Islam."

Today they list 7 attacks.

Three attacks are from Taliban in Pakistan, the first targeted police officers, the second military and the third was a threat against parliamentarians who supported President Musharaf. Not civilian targets, and all aimed at the political objective of removing Musharaf, a US puppet dictator.

One attack was from the Tamil Tigers in Srilanka who we discussed. The site calls them "arguably the most lethal and well organised terrorist group in the world." BTW they are Hindu... not Muslim.

Another Attack was from the United Liberation Front of Asom who are Socialists
Another from the Communist Party of India-Maoist who are Communists

And the last is from Al Badr... I'm assuming they are Muslim because the name is Arabic. The sites says, "The Al Badr was formed with the professed goal of strengthening the ‘Kashmiri freedom struggle.’ The outfit advocates that Kashmiris should be given the right of self-determination in accordance with the United Nations resolutions.

Freedom fighters, fighting in accordance with UN resolutions... and there's that word "self-determination" again.

Is it clear yet? The common trait amongst terrorists is not Islam, it is the struggle for self determination. All these attacks support my thesis not yours.

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Anything I say to you would likely be said there.
I think that's probably because that's the only site you read. Isn't it interesting that I'm able to support my thesis from a multitude of non Muslim sources and you continually resort to the same web site.

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Anything you say to me I can likely read in liberal MSM.
Yeah... show me. Because I don't read it.

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Your level of mania is apparent. I shall offer no further challenge to you.
Than you either admit defeat, or accept the terms of my truce.

When it's Taliban, say 'Taliban". When it's Al-Qaeda say "Al-Qaeda". When it's Salafis say "Salafis". When it's Wahabis, say "Wahabis". So long as your making broad generalizations that categorize me and those I love with lunatics who throw acid on people I won't sit silently. Would you?
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #185 on: August 11, 2008, 09:03:58 AM »

When it's Taliban, say 'Taliban". When it's Al-Qaeda say "Al-Qaeda". When it's Salafis say "Salafis". When it's Wahabis, say "Wahabis". So long as your making broad generalizations that categorize me and those I love with lunatics who throw acid on people I won't sit silently. Would you?

He can't do it. Just stop trying. Collectivism has rotted his brain to the core.
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« Reply #186 on: August 11, 2008, 10:43:23 AM »

I found out about this in an anthropology class back in college. It turns out all the emperical data shows all people descend from one woman and one man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #187 on: August 11, 2008, 11:35:33 AM »

I found out about this in an anthropology class back in college. It turns out all the emperical data shows all people descend from one woman and one man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

It's not exactly one woman, rather it's a cluster of closely related women. The same for the Y Adam.
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« Reply #188 on: August 11, 2008, 11:42:29 AM »

I found out about this in an anthropology class back in college. It turns out all the emperical data shows all people descend from one woman and one man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

It's not exactly one woman, rather it's a cluster of closely related women. The same for the Y Adam.
It was my understanding that at one point there may have been as little as 30 breeding females.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
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Human mitochondrial DNA (inherited only from one's mother) and Y chromosome DNA (from one's father) show coalescence at around 140,000 and 60,000 years ago respectively. In other words, all living humans' female line ancestry trace back to a single female (Mitochondrial Eve) at around 140,000 years ago. Via the male line, all humans can trace their ancestry back to a single male (Y-chromosomal Adam) at around 60,000 years ago.[2]

However, such coalescence is genetically expected and does not, in itself, indicate a population bottleneck, because mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome are only a small part of the entire genome, and are atypical in that they are inherited exclusively through the mother or through the father, respectively. Most genes in the genome are inherited from either father or mother, thus can be traced back in time via either matrilinear or patrilinear ancestry.[3] Research on many (but not necessarily most) genes find different coalescence points from 2 million years ago to 0 years ago when different genes are considered, thus disproving the existence of more recent extreme bottlenecks (i.e. a single breeding pair).[4][5]

This is consistent with the Toba catastrophe theory which suggests that a bottleneck of the human population occurred ca. 70,000 years ago, proposing that the human population was reduced to a c.15,000 individuals[5] when the Toba supervolcano in Indonesia erupted and triggered a major environmental change. The theory is based on geological evidences of sudden climate change, and on coalescence evidences of some genes (including mitochondrial DNA, Y-chromosome and some nuclear genes)[6] and the relatively low level of genetic variation with humans.[5]

On the other hand, in 2000, a Molecular Biology and Evolution paper suggested a transplanting model or a 'long bottleneck' to account for the limited genetic variation, rather than a catastrophic environmental change.[7] This would be consistent with suggestions that in sub-Saharan Africa numbers could have dropped at times as low as 2,000, for perhaps as long as 100,000 years, before numbers began to expand again in the Late Stone Age[8]
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #189 on: August 11, 2008, 11:42:55 AM »

And they all looked like Paula...
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« Reply #190 on: August 11, 2008, 12:34:53 PM »

And they all looked like Paula...

Actually, they all probably looked like smelly negroids.
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« Reply #191 on: August 12, 2008, 01:53:45 AM »

Fatcat is confusing atheism with agnosticism. Having no good reason to believe in God is not the same thing as believing that there is no God, although the first belief may be a step toward the second belief.

No I'm not. People keep making claims about my beliefs and I keep correcting them.

I've made the point several times that Atheism does not mean believing there is no god.

Atheism means lack of theist beliefs. It does not mean disbelieving theist beliefs. There is a marked difference between not believing something is true and believing it is not true.

Agnosticism refers to forms of knowledge. If we go by the strictest sense of knowledge, I am an Agnostic Atheist. I cannot possibly claim to know for sure there are no supernatural entities as I would have to have total knowledge of everything to say for sure, but I do not believe the claims of any supernatural entities have sufficient evidence for me to believe.

Now, if we are talking in a more practical, day to day form of knowledge, then I actively believe there is no god, based on a few things. Obviously its impossible for me to have the necessary knowledge to fully support this belief, so if we cut down to the wire I will accept I do not know, but I believe no super natural beings exist, just like I believe no leprechauns exist, even though there may be one on some distant planet somewhere. I have made this distinction between Atheism and Agnosticism several times during this thread, and have made my position on what I class my beliefs several times as well. If you disagree with my definitions then fair enough, but it does not change the ones I will use.

I sympathize with much of what you mean to say, but you should consider that if you are just making up definitions to justify your statements, then you are not really communicating effectively.

A non-believer in God may be an agnostic or simply unfamiliar with the concept of God, but to be an atheist, you must be familiar with the concept and deny its validity.

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« Reply #192 on: August 12, 2008, 05:58:53 AM »

Fatcat is confusing atheism with agnosticism. Having no good reason to believe in God is not the same thing as believing that there is no God, although the first belief may be a step toward the second belief.

No I'm not. People keep making claims about my beliefs and I keep correcting them.

I've made the point several times that Atheism does not mean believing there is no god.

Atheism means lack of theist beliefs. It does not mean disbelieving theist beliefs. There is a marked difference between not believing something is true and believing it is not true.

Agnosticism refers to forms of knowledge. If we go by the strictest sense of knowledge, I am an Agnostic Atheist. I cannot possibly claim to know for sure there are no supernatural entities as I would have to have total knowledge of everything to say for sure, but I do not believe the claims of any supernatural entities have sufficient evidence for me to believe.

Now, if we are talking in a more practical, day to day form of knowledge, then I actively believe there is no god, based on a few things. Obviously its impossible for me to have the necessary knowledge to fully support this belief, so if we cut down to the wire I will accept I do not know, but I believe no super natural beings exist, just like I believe no leprechauns exist, even though there may be one on some distant planet somewhere. I have made this distinction between Atheism and Agnosticism several times during this thread, and have made my position on what I class my beliefs several times as well. If you disagree with my definitions then fair enough, but it does not change the ones I will use.

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« Reply #193 on: August 12, 2008, 02:20:18 PM »

I'm Creating the church of Atheism Give me all your money and i will keep the Mormons away and Dem other Pesky God people away

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« Reply #194 on: August 12, 2008, 02:55:57 PM »

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