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Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closes: December 20, 2035, 01:27:29 PM

[Taors]

Bullshit.

Suit yourself.

[The Muslim Agorist]

Nah- I was thinking of the one with me and Nonarchist. It's not really about learning anything as much as it is proving something now- both of us.

Well you're certainly not trying to learn... so what are you trying to prove?

[blackie]

That he is has a big dick.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

Adam and Chava (or as ya'll know her, Eve) had bellybuttons.

[Taors]

Adam and Chava (or as ya'll know her, Eve) had bellybuttons.

That, or they didn't actually exist, which is more likely considering they're both representations of Chokmah and Binah, two opposite Sephira on the Tree of Life. From the Wisdom of Chokmah, came the 'rib', which was used to create the Understanding of Binah.

You people who take the Bible literally should really study up on your Kabbalah.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

Dude, nice. Seriously nice. But since you obviously read up on your Torah, you're familiar with Rambams "Morei Nevuchim" (the guide for the perplexed) which states that they really were real.

Look up mitochondrial Eve on wikipedia.

[Taors]

Dude, nice. Seriously nice. But since you obviously read up on your Torah, you're familiar with Rambams "Morei Nevuchim" (the guide for the perplexed) which states that they really were real.

Look up mitochondrial Eve on wikipedia.

I'm not Jewish. I don't hold any faith in the Torah.

Give me a link to the mitochondrial Eve thing though...but if it's the same bullshit the Mormons have been pulling with their Lamanite DNA, I'm gonna be pissed.

[The Muslim Agorist]

I really like the mitochondrial Eve idea. That Eve would have a belly button. I still suspend judgment, but it's a reality tunnel I'm fond of. In the Islamic paradigm that makes Adam's role as first prophet the distinguishing line between animal man and rational man.

[Taors]

Alright, I just read up on it. Very interesting. I'm not quite sure this is the same woman that the Bible references though. There's absolutely no way of telling or knowing.

Also interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon

[hellbilly]

Mitochondrial Eve was a pretty interesting read, I'll admit that. But the article I read didn't mention who, if anything, created her.

Why would CreatorX have created a man and a woman, complete with belly buttons and nipples?

Nonarchist- I'm attempting to prove that most ignorant terrorists in todays world are muslim. Sadly, it's easy for anyone to do so.

And I'll remind you of yet another question you haven't answered.. what is the proper name of the "Creator" ?

[The Muslim Agorist]

You people who take the Bible literally should really study up on your Kabbalah.

He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental; they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

Sufi's love this verse, because they seek this complete understanding of both the literal and the allegorical. The Radicals hate this because they deny the possibility of allegorical passages. And this is why I suspend judgment. I believe in the Book, and the whole of it is from my Lord. The specifics of belly buttons is inconsequential. Whether it's literal, or allegorical the story is fertile for those who reflect. Whether Adam was created from scratch, or an evolutionary process, the fruits of that reflection are the same.

[The Muslim Agorist]

Nonarchist- I'm attempting to prove that most ignorant terrorists in todays world are muslim. Sadly, it's easy for anyone to do so.

Wow really? That's a tangent... because I think that's the first you've made that claim, and I haven't seen you present any evidence. You really need to work on your communication skills. I'm not even sure I'd dispute it. I've never seen the numbers. I'd like to see the per capta terrorist rate of Muslims compared to environmentalists. If I took a wild guess I'd think that most ignorant terrorists in todays world were government bureaucrats.

I'm attempting to prove that Traditional Mainstream Islam is not the cause of terrorism, but that it is the result of other outside factors such as foreign imperialism, and outside ideologies introduced into the Muslim world. I think I've shown this so thoroughly I've repeated myself like 10 times... and I'm yet to see a descent counter argument.

And I'll remind you of yet another question you haven't answered.. what is the proper name of the "Creator" ?

All right I'll tell you what... one for one... cause there's plenty of stuff you haven't answered me.

Here's my question:
What parts of culture would you like to mandate?

Here's my answer:

The 99 names of Allah

Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate)
Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful)
Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler)
Al-Quddus (The Pure One)
As-Salam (The Source of Peace)
Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith)
Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian)
Al-'Aziz (The Victorious)
Al-Jabbar (The Compeller)
Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest)
Al-Khaliq (The Creator)
Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order)
Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty)
Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving)
Al-Qahhar (The Subduer)
Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All)
Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer)
Al-Fattah (The Opener)
Al-'Alim (The Knower of All)
Al-Qabid (The Constrictor)
Al-Basit (The Reliever)
Al-Khafid (The Abaser)
Ar-Rafi' (The Exalter)
Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors)
Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator)
As-Sami (The Hearer of All)
Al-Basir (The Seer of All)
Al-Hakam (The Judge)
Al-'Adl (The Just)
Al-Latif (The Subtle One)
Al-Khabir (The All-Aware)
Al-Halim (The Forebearing)
Al-'Azim (The Magnificent)
Al-Ghafur (The Forgiver and Hider of Faults)
Ash-Shakur (The Rewarder of Thankfulness)
Al-'Ali (The Highest)
Al-Kabir (The Greatest)
Al-Hafiz (The Preserver)
Al-Muqit (The Nourisher)
Al-Hasib (The Accounter)
Al-Jalil (The Mighty)
Al-Karim (The Generous)
Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One)
Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer)
Al-Wasi' (The All-Comprehending)
Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise)
Al-Wadud (The Loving One)
Al-Majíd (The Majestic One)
Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector)
Ash-Shahid (The Witness)
Al-h Haqq (The Truth)
Al-Wakil (The Trustee)
Al-Qawi (The Possessor of All Strength)
Al-Matin (The Forceful One)
Al-Wáli (The Governor)
Al-Hamid (The Praised One)
Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser)
Al-Mubdi (The Originator)
Al-Mu'id (The Restorer)
Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life)
Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life)
Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One)
Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One)
Al-Wajid (The Finder)
Al-Májid (The Glorious)
Al-Wahid (The Only One)
Al-Ahad (The One)
As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs)
Al-Qadir (The All Powerful)
Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power)
Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter)
Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer)
Al-Awwal (The First)
Al-Akhir (The Last)
Az-Zahir (The Manifest One)
Al-Batin (The Hidden One)
Al-Walí (The Protecting Friend)
Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One)
Al-Barr (The Doer of Good)
At-Tawwib (The Guide to Repentance)
Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger)
Al-Afu    (The Forgiver)
Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement)
Malik al-Mulk (The Owner of All)
Dhul-Jalali Wal-Ikram (The Lord of Majesty and Bounty)
Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One)
Al-Jami (The Gatherer)
Al-Ghani (The Rich One)
Al-Mughni (The Enricher)
Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm)
Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful)
An-Nafi (The Creator of Good)
An-Nur (The Light)
Al-Hadi (The Guide)
Al-Badi (The Originator)
Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One)
Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All)
Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher)
As-Sabur (The Patient One)

[hellbilly]

That's a good question. Sorry if I'd missed it in any of your earlier posts.

I'd mandate that common sense, logic, reason and all things akin to critical thinking be of utmost importance.

You've named whom you believe to be Creator. Is it not true that in islam, there can be but one god?

[The Muslim Agorist]

I'd mandate that common sense, logic, reason and all things akin to critical thinking be of utmost importance.

LMAO ::knee slapping:: Oh man... I'm sorry ::wiping tears from eyes:: ok...

how?

You've named whom you believe to be Creator. Is it not true that in islam, there can be but one god?

Al-Khaliq (The Creator). Yes. However... your question requires some definitions. This is your classic big g little G split. In Arabic the words are illah and Allah. An illah is anything which a person worships. "Allah" is the proper name form of that noun. So, Allah, by any name in any language, is the one and only Creator, and he is the only one worthy of worship, but anything which a person worships other than Allah, such as Jesus, or the pagan gods, or their own desires, is an illah. They exist in the world. But a person who worships them is astray.

[hellbilly]

how?

Well, seeing that we must be speaking in theory, I would use my Brain-Unwasher2008 to remove all stupidity, obsession, mania and mass delusion from those afflicted with said conditions.

What shall become of me and others who are "astray"? Those of us who do not share your belief that al khaliq, with the big A, is "the" god.