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What is your Religion

Atheism
- 19 (24.4%)
Christianity
- 7 (9%)
Jewish
- 1 (1.3%)
Catholic
- 1 (1.3%)
Hinduism
- 0 (0%)
Buddhism
- 1 (1.3%)
Rastafarianism
- 1 (1.3%)
Islam
- 3 (3.8%)
Taoism
- 1 (1.3%)
Neopaganism / Pagan
- 4 (5.1%)
Satanism
- 1 (1.3%)
Scientology
- 0 (0%)
Wiccan
- 0 (0%)
Pastafarian
- 0 (0%)
Animistic
- 0 (0%)
All Religions :D
- 1 (1.3%)
No Religion / Not Religious
- 19 (24.4%)
None of these
- 11 (14.1%)
Pantheism
- 2 (2.6%)
Judaism
- 2 (2.6%)
Asatru / Norse Gods
- 2 (2.6%)
Discordian/Subgenius
- 1 (1.3%)
Pantheist
- 1 (1.3%)
Government
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closes: December 20, 2035, 01:27:29 PM


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What is your Religion
« on: August 04, 2008, 03:22:37 AM »

On a different topic someone said most Libertarians are Atheist so i wanted to see what everyone religion!

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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008, 03:24:15 AM »

Atheism isn't a religion.
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008, 03:24:34 AM »

Where's all of the above?
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 03:25:17 AM »

Missing: Discordianism

Missing: Church of the Subgenius.

Get with the program.
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 03:26:35 AM »

Missing: Thelema

Missing: Asatru

Missing: Druidism
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 03:31:40 AM »

there are waaaay to many to put Every single sub religion in there i just put down most of the Main ones, but i guess i will add a Other and all of the above category lol

and btw im a Druidism pagan

or my Druidism you mean animistic?

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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 03:34:57 AM »

there are waaaay to many to put Every single sub religion in there i just put down most of the Main ones, but i guess i will add a Other and all of the above category lol

and btw im a Druidism pagan

or my Druidism you mean animistic?

Animistic? Shamans originated in every culture and religion, so you can't really call it a religion itself.
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 03:54:49 AM »

Why are atheism and no religion both up there? they mean exactly the same thing.

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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 04:26:08 AM »

This is America, God damnit! Statistically, at least 40% of you all should be Catholic :D
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Re: What is your Religion
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 05:11:06 AM »

Why are atheism and no religion both up there? they mean exactly the same thing.


I disagree completely.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 05:38:27 AM »

Why are atheism and no religion both up there? they mean exactly the same thing.
I disagree completely.

I don't know what definitions you're using.

Atheism means lack of theism. Morality is a useful parallel. There is Immorality, Amorality, and morality, and there is anti theism, atheism, and theism. Atheism is merely a lack of belief in any claim to a god. If your answer to the question "do you believe in god?" is anything other than yes, including I don't know, then you're an atheist.

Theres a common misconception that atheism means you believe there is no god. This is not the case.

Gnosticism and Agnosticism speak to what you claim to know.Theism and Atheism refer to what you believe.You can be a gnostic atheist, an agnostic theist, or any other combination.I would class myself as a gnostic atheist under most meaningful defintions. I don't buy into absolute certainty, its a pretty useless concept.

Much like I can't 100% for sure say there aren't any unicorns on earth, the kind of knowledge that would allow me to say for sure that there are or not, is unattainable and not practical in real terms. So while I accept there is a minuscule chance of there being some super powerful creator/father figure to the universe, I have seen no reason to believe, and I actively disbelieve it based on a few facts:

a) Religions are clearly human inventions. only a mind shattered with cognitive dissonance could dismiss Zeus as a story but accept Jehovah as real

b) Pretty much every major religion makes claims about the nature of the universe that have been proven to be false

c) If a super powerful being existed there should be some sort of measurable effects. since there is a total of 0 measurable effects that can be contributed to any god, then all things being equal, something that cannot be measured in anyway is most likely nothing, rather than some inordinately more complex entity that produces the same effects as nothing but is in fact something.

While these facts are not sufficient to be absolutely certain that there are no god like entities, its enough for me to believe that most likely there are not at the current moment.

most religions work on : Look at this old book, this says what I believe is true so it must be, and the old classic, prove there is no god

even on brass statistics all religions fail. all major religions claim to be true, only one is possible to be true, all of them have the same explanation power, there are more than 2 religions in the world, ergo whatever one you pick you most likely have not picked the correct one, although more importantly:

no religion has ever met the burden of proof for the claims they make
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 05:45:17 AM »

To me "no religion" = nontheist which is not the same as an atheist.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 05:53:11 AM »

To me "no religion" = nontheist which is not the same as an atheist.

what the fuck is a non theist? sounds like atheist to me

atheist is a responsive position to atheism. if you don't believe in god claims then you're atheist, its not about whatever you might believe about anything else, if you want to call yourself non theist aswell it doesn't change whether you're an atheist or not, although if you want to refer to atheist as something else it might make shit more complicated talking to atheists. The only thing that makes you not an atheist is being a theist of any kind. Saying I don't know whether there is a god is not answering the question of whether you believe it to be true or not. If you make a non committal stance then you still lack the belief in god and are still an atheist.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 06:08:09 AM »

To me "no religion" = nontheist which is not the same as an atheist.

what the fuck is a non theist? sounds like atheist to me

atheist is a responsive position to atheism. if you don't believe in god claims then you're atheist, its not about whatever you might believe about anything else, if you want to call yourself non theist aswell it doesn't change whether you're an atheist or not, although if you want to refer to atheist as something else it might make shit more complicated talking to atheists. The only thing that makes you not an atheist is being a theist of any kind. Saying I don't know whether there is a god is not answering the question of whether you believe it to be true or not. If you make a non committal stance then you still lack the belief in god and are still an atheist.
A non theist is pretty much someone who may or may not believe in God, but doesn't give a damn about religions at all.  Non theists are pretty much apathetic to the whole argument and prefer to ignore religious debates and do not identify with atheism, nor with any other religion.  They are just themselves, whether they believe in God or not.  I personally appreciate nontheists over atheists any day.  They don't give me shit, I don't give them shit, we're all cool and don't worry about a thing, whereas most atheists I've come in contact with are pretty militant and repeatedly try to convert me to atheism.
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