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Should individuals be allowed to harvest whales in international waters?

Yes, under current IWC regulations.
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No, the whales are our friends.
- 3 (12%)
Is whaling still around?
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The commons is the problem.
- 11 (44%)
Mark with his shirt off reminds me of Moby Dick.
- 1 (4%)
Yes.
- 6 (24%)

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Phantgeist

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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2008, 01:08:50 PM »

"The commons is the problem."

Whale sashimi is yummy.
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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 08:54:46 AM »

Definitely don't go whaling, my buddy went last night and it was not good.
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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2008, 03:43:25 AM »

It's a commons problem.

This. If private groups were allowed to lease/purchase property rights to large geographic areas, they'd be able to set the rules for passage through the waters. International shipping lines, no problem. Fishing, no problem. Whaling, confiscation of ship & arrest of crew.

Of course, the greenpeace folks are probably too far along the path to militant communism to believe in ownership of anything, so they'd not actually be able to take a useful course of action.

Yeah, this sounds great.  Japan and China could buy the whole ocean outside of our territorial limits and restrict our free trade with the entire rest of the world. 

Ships would have to zig-zag all over the map to go through what was previously a straight line, like not touching the red squares on a checkerboard.

Theoretically, you could buy a circle of plots and the owner of the donut-hole would have no access to their waters. 

Shipping would have increased tariffs like toll booths on the open seas, if the owners wanted, and you can bet they'd enforce it.  Some could pass, others could not, depending on their international trade agreements. 

They're called "International Waters" for a reason.

And, who exactly would they buy the rights from?  Nobody owns them, so, start wars to claim the seas, and the winner gets to sell their conquests to the highest bidder? 

I'm sure the US Navy would approve.  We haven't had a good war at sea in 60 years. 
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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2008, 06:23:29 PM »

Wow, Brasky. Your arguments reek of desperation. You should try and come up with something more concrete than simply positing any 'What if?' scenario that people have been saying about the free market from the beginning about how it can't work because of these scenarios.

You need to advance your argument, or dismiss it.

You must ask the question: How can aggressive interaction between individuals ever improve the situation if humans are able to take into account the non-need for aggression and rise above the incorrect belief that government is necessary?
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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2008, 07:12:48 PM »

As long as there is a market...for anything...
That demand will be filled...somehow...

Enjoy!
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Re: To Whale or Not to Whale
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2008, 10:14:44 PM »

As long as there is a market...for anything...
That demand will be filled...somehow...

Which is exactly why government and the idea of a monopoly on security being better than competition in security is absurd.
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