The Free Talk Live BBS
Free Talk Live => The Polling Pit => Topic started by: Bill Brasky on January 24, 2007, 10:34:09 AM
-
Hear Ye, Hear Ye. We now call this common court of man to session, the Honorable Mr. William F. Brasky presiding. Please remain seated, we are all equals here.
-------------------------------------
Greetings gentlemen, and ladies. Thankyou for attending. I have called you together as concerned citizens to present you with an allegation and a list of evidence, some is verifiable fact, some is witness testimony. Witness testimony is understandably suspect of malfeasance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malfeasance), and should be treated as such. However, the testimony is provided by me, and as a man of honor, I pledge to speak truthfully.
Lets begin, shall we? I will make this as brief as possible.
The allegation: Earthwormzim, the man you see seated before you stands accused of having a bot program he created for the purpose of bitchslapping board members who have angered him.
THE ACCUSED
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7755/zim2ru.jpg)(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/633/indexphp0hg.png)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2068
Last Active: Today at 08:00:42 AM
Last Active: Today at 10:02:22 AM
Last Active: Today at 11:03:10 AM
Earthwormzim 10:02:22 AM Unknown Action
As you will note, his time last active on the boards is 8 am exactly. Over the last few days I had become suspect of his pattern of logging on to the boards, and the regular intervals of being bitchslapped. So, as he would come on-line I would investigate his whereabouts by using the page listed directly below:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=who
If you are unfamiliar with this page, take note of it later and you will see it lists each active member and the page they are reading or posting on. Mr. Zim would be listed, but the programming of the board would not recognize his location, so it would list him as being in an unknown location, which is unusual but not unheard of.
I then became more curious and observed the pattern of logging on, and it was every hour on the hour, plus one minute to work the karma properly, exactly, and each time for a few minutes and gone. I propose the following scenario: Mr. Zim would leave the BBS page open, and his bot would log him into the system, and after the bot had done its dirty little business, it would remain inactive until the BBS timer logged him off for inactivity.
While it is possible he logs on each hour over an entire night for five minutes, bitchslaps me and leaves, I doubt it is manually done. It is too regular. You may also take note of his posts, he got flamed by me in his little anime rant, and became angered. He then posted a whiny diatribe about being slapped down to a negative karma for his behavior in Keti's "I'm in your wi-fi stealing your bandwidth" thread. Yet his posts are rather infrequent, often one or two posts, a day or two apart, then a flurry, then none for a week.
First the slapdown, then the anime argument, then the negative karma thread. Finally, the bot.
This boy has some fucking issues. So, is he capable of writing such a piece of script? Possibly...
Holy crap. I didn't think Google Video would/could show nudity. Shit. I'm in the fucking computer lab at school, and there are boobs flashing all over the screen. Fuckin' shit!
I've never closed a window faster in my life.
Its also quite possible he just has a set of hacker toolz, faders and chatbusters, that sort of shit. But, it's a short step to using devices to snake your IP address and do other unscrupulous things. Either way, not cool. There are many here who post from work and having someone sniff around your firewall in a corporation is serious business.
I propose that Mr Zim cut his fucking bullshit, grow the fuck up, and use the appropriate responses in a forum. Speak your mind, defend your opinions if you feel it to be necessary, or leave if you dislike the participants in a forum you voluntarily choose to attend.
Maybe I'm out of line and this is a non-issue. I dont particularly care about the bitchslaps, thats kid stuff. Its the bizarre behavior and obsession, and acting out of line with general expectations of social interaction.
To be accepted as a peer in a community, it is generally expected you will respect the unspoken rules. When you are expecting to be treated as an equal, it leads to reason you will behave as an equal. Often people color outside the lines, and they will fall into a little cadre of similarly minded peers, and so you get the jocks and geeks and stoners, its perfectly natural. Not everyone gets on perfectly with everyone, but there are some who stand on the fringe and dont get any satisfaction from their subset of equals, instead they seek to use things against people who pay them no heed. These are the columbine types.
Mr Zim, you may go. You are not expected to participate in any deliberations, although it is your right to speak freely in your defense. The verdict, if any, will be delivered in due time. Until then, you know and I know, and you must answer only to yourself. I have formed the opinion that you are a cunt, and you must deal with your issues in your way. I feel sorry for you that you must resort to using a little device of code to extract some sort of malformed revenge upon a person (or people) who disagree with you.
So, any thoughts? The floor is open.
-
Will Mr. Zim have jurors?
If so jury nullification might play a role here.....btw this thread is bodacious
-
I think you have an earthwormzim complex sir.
-
A bot? Lol! You give me too much credit.
Actually, it's just a little help. Let me explain.
A few weeks ago, during the anime rant, I was pretty annoyed by your constant ass-holiness, so I bitchslapped you quite often, but I noticed that my bitchslapping was going nowhere. So, I told a friend of mine about it (who actually posts on this board, too), and he agreed that it was quite strange...he also agreed that your behavior was pretty ass-holy, too. So he began to bitchslap you.
We decided to bitchslap you every day, every single time we sat down at our computers. But something odd was happening. Even though we'd bitchslap you probably 10 or more times a day, your karma would still increase. In fact, constant bitchslapping from two people over a period of about 2 weeks yielded an increase in your karma from approximately 285 to 305.
Considering the fact that we'd bitchslap you, on an average, about 10 times a day (together), this would require you to get 10 or more applauses in such a way to manage a 20 point increase over a two week period. Over the two week period, we estimate that we bitchslapped you at least 50-60 times, and for you to manage to still pull out at over 305, you would have required over 80 applauses over this small two week period...and we believe this to be higly improbable, due to your ass-holy nature.
So, we, in discussion, decided that this phenomenon can only be explained in one of three ways:
1) You have a small group of fans that applaud you every time they get on the board (at least two highly, highly dedicated fanboy friends, that is). I find it highly unlikely that you actually have "fans" when taking your ass-holiness into account, therefore I believe that this is not the case.
2) You have programmed a bot that applauds you. I don't believe this to be the case since the ability to actually program a bot, I believe, is pretty uncommon.
3) You have multiple accounts (at least, more that one), all of which are most likely dumby accounts, onto which you login each day, for the very specific purpose of applauding your main account as Bill Brasky. I feel this is the most likely explanation, being that this is something any Joe Blow can do. Hell, I admit, I even thought about doing it to repair my karma, but I decided that my karma is fine the way it is.
As for me...I have had this same window open on this board for quite some time, and in fact, I often times leave the window open, logged into my account for many, many days at a time. It is true, I don't respond very often, but I do read a lot of it. I don't like to respond to a thread unless I actually have something valid to say, unlike some of the board members who post 50 three-word-or-less posts a day to increase their post count. I don't care about my post count, so I don't partake in such lame behavior.
But, hey...if you think I'm smart enough to program a bot...killer. I'm glad I give that impression on this board.
edit:
Yes, we've been bitchslapping you quite a bit, because of your ass-holiness. But, neither of us cheat our own personal accounts...as it seems you cheat yours.
-
I think you have an earthwormzim complex sir.
I think I am observant, and if you have read my post it would appear you are not. I have not spoken to the jackass in question in approximately a month, maybe three weeks. Nor do I care to, because I have little in common with him. I would hardly call that a complex. A complex would be more accurately defined as someone who obsessively takes steps to interact with another person or is overcome with a need to influence or control a person or object.
Who does that sound like to you, mister eternity? Hmmm? Does that definition ring any bells? As I've outlined, the jackass enters and leaves on an hourly basis and also happens to show up as being in an area of Unknown Action. Thats when the program runs. So, What do you think will happen tonight or today, will the hourly-plus one minute visits continue, or will the program get tweaked?
Or will the visits stop completely? Random chaos? One hour and thirty-seven minutes? I cant wait to see.
Mr Zim already has a second profile created, but never used it, are there more? Will someone go through the strange motions of making thirty posts just to bitchslap someone who dislikes the cartoons you hold so dearly?
Yes, you are an anime lover, but are you a lover of the anime lover?
Guess who else I've been looking at? Thanks for participating.
-
"Hourly plus one minute visits"?
Haha...I've already explained that I leave my account logged on for very long periods of time. I don't log in and out several times a day.
-
I think you have an earthwormzim complex sir.
A complex would be more accurately defined as someone who obsessively takes steps to interact with another person or is overcome with a need to influence or control a person or object.
Actually, more precise definitions, according to Dictionary.com include:
7. Psychology. a system of interrelated, emotion-charged ideas, feelings, memories, and impulses that is usually repressed and that gives rise to abnormal or pathological behavior.
8. a fixed idea; an obsessive notion.
-
Guilty of the lesser charge of being an asstart and abusing the karma system.
Recommended sentence, make him applaud you 60 or 70 times.
-
A bot? Lol! You give me too much credit.
Actually, it's just a little help. Let me explain.
A few weeks ago, during the anime rant, I was pretty annoyed by your constant ass-holiness, so I bitchslapped you quite often, but I noticed that my bitchslapping was going nowhere. So, I told a friend of mine about it (who actually posts on this board, too), and he agreed that it was quite strange...he also agreed that your behavior was pretty ass-holy, too. So he began to bitchslap you.
We decided to bitchslap you every day, every single time we sat down at our computers. But something odd was happening. Even though we'd bitchslap you probably 10 or more times a day, your karma would still increase. In fact, constant bitchslapping from two people over a period of about 2 weeks yielded an increase in your karma from approximately 285 to 305.
Considering the fact that we'd bitchslap you, on an average, about 10 times a day (together), this would require you to get 10 or more applauses in such a way to manage a 20 point increase over a two week period. Over the two week period, we estimate that we bitchslapped you at least 50-60 times, and for you to manage to still pull out at over 305, you would have required over 80 applauses over this small two week period...and we believe this to be higly improbable, due to your ass-holy nature.
So, we, in discussion, decided that this phenomenon can only be explained in one of three ways:
1) You have a small group of fans that applaud you every time they get on the board (at least two highly, highly dedicated fanboy friends, that is). I find it highly unlikely that you actually have "fans" when taking your ass-holiness into account, therefore I believe that this is not the case...
2) You have programmed a bot that applauds you. I don't believe this to be the case since the ability to actually program a bot, I believe, is pretty uncommon.
3) You have multiple accounts (at least, more that one), all of which are most likely dumby accounts, onto which you login into, each day, for the very specific purpose of applauding your main account as Bill Brasky. I feel this is the most likely explanation, being that this is something any Joe Blow can do. Hell, I admit, I even thought about doing it to repair my karma, but I decided that my karma is fine the way it is.
As for me...I have had this same window open on this board for quite some time, and in fact, I often times leave the window open, logged into my account for many, many days at a time. It is true, I don't respond very often, but I do read a lot of it. I don't like to respond to a thread unless I actually have something valid to say, unlike some of the board members who post 50 three-word-or-less posts a day to increase their post count. I don't care about my post count, so I don't partake in such lame behavior.
But, hey...if you think I'm smart enough to program a bot...killer. I'm glad I give that impression on this board.
Splendid. Good show. You've exposed me as a karma masturbator.
Try reading the threads some time. There are a few Mods here who observe assholes, and I've never claimed I wasnt an asshole, that is part of my charm.
Ian, Soundwave, Torgo, Johnson and Lindsey are all capable of seeing IP addresses. I have one account. I post as Brasky, because that is my account. Most of them couldnt give a shit, this is just a board, but I've seen Torgo and Johnson observe IP's, Johnson did it only a week ago in the Christian Anarchy thread. He determined someone was piggybacking accounts.
The point is, my numbers are visable and I dont expect anyone to include themselves in a childish argument, but it COULD be easily determined, I am just me.
Can you say the same?
Secondly, I've already proven your "bot". I've observed it. I posted the activity, right up there in the green box, and thats barely the tip of the iceberg. So, unless you are OBSESSED to the point where three weeks later with ZERO comments you are still roaming the house at night, waiting for the EXACT minute to strike, you are either a fucking deviant or you are running a bot.
Which is it?
I am up all night for employment reasons. You are a student. You sleep at night, after a certain point, normal people are not nocturnal.
I would also like to point out that you've done me a great service by showing the math, that is obsession. To sit down and calculate the number of slaps is pretty fucking bizarre indeed.
"Hourly plus one minute visits"?
Haha...I've already explained that I leave my account logged on for very long periods of time. I don't log in and out several times a day.
HAHAHA
That is not how it works, asshole, and you know it. The BBS times you out after inactivity. Read the green box up there, those are all visits today, 501 602 703 whatever, I'm too lazy to look...
You are owned, boned and chaperoned. I think you're a fucking weirdo man. I know it. You know it.
Admit it, man. Or just fuck off. I'll tell ya what, If I was you, I'd be feeling like a real douchebag right about now.
-
Guilty of the lesser charge of being an asstart and abusing the karma system.
Recommended sentence, make him applaud you 60 or 70 times.
Lesser charge?
Arite man. Guilty is guilty, I'll take it.
Can I have him walk around with a sign around his neck?
-
Yes, I have been awake all night doing work for a project a school, which has, indeed, given me the opportunity to click the bitchslap button every hour, as I was sitting right in front of my computer the whole time. Why would I do something like that? Because, over the past couple of weeks, I've become more and more convinced that you are cheating your karma, which has made me more and more eager to get you at your own game.
And you call me obsessive for calculating those numbers over a span of several weeks? What about you, monitoring my constantly board habits? LOL. I don't even do that to you. Hell, I've never done that to anyone. I have no clue what your last actions were, and I have no intention of finding out.
edit:
Now that I've shared my secrets, why don't you share yours?
-
Yeah, monitoring Zim's board habits is pretty weird. Your weird Brasky. All that over something as petty as Karma.
-
This whole karma thing is a joke. Its way to exploitable, as shown in this thread.
Its just another incarnation of post count and/or e-penis. So now people have multiple ways of inflating their opinions and ideals: Post count and Karma.
-
Will Mr. Zim have jurors?
If so jury nullification might play a role here.....btw this thread is bodacious
Sorry bout that, I've failed in my duties as a good host. It got vocal.
Yeah, the jurors are the board members.
Everybody has a chunk of wood in this fire, its a common law thing. This is a landmark case. It could set precedent on this here board, and the boards of our children... Or not, its just me poking this clown in the chest and calling him a bitch.
Heres my spin, once again, its important to be short and sweet. Ive really got no problem with Zim, but he has shitty taste in cartoons or whatever, that was almost a month ago.
So, he's here developing these weird activities, GET A LIFE, man.
Holy fuck dude, ever heard of pussy? Christ. HELLO?
The guy is a 25 year old college student and he lives in Miami, its not like he has some sort of rotting face disease, go get laid you fuckin goofy bastard.
-
Will Mr. Zim have jurors?
If so jury nullification might play a role here.....btw this thread is bodacious
Sorry bout that, I've failed in my duties as a good host. It got vocal.
Yeah, the jurors are the board members.
Everybody has a chunk of wood in this fire, its a common law thing. This is a landmark case. It could set precedent on this here board, and the boards of our children... Or not, its just me poking this clown in the chest and calling him a bitch.
Heres my spin, once again, its important to be short and sweet. Ive really got no problem with Zim, but he has shitty taste in cartoons or whatever, that was almost a month ago.
So, he's here developing these weird activities, GET A LIFE, man.
Holy fuck dude, ever heard of pussy? Christ. HELLO?
The guy is a 25 year old college student and he lives in Miami, its not like he has some sort of rotting face disease, go get laid you fuckin goofy bastard.
I'm a pussy, I don't get laid, I'm a goofy bastard, and apparently being 25 and in college is a bad thing. That whole post is 110% ad-hominem. You got anything else you wanna add about my personal charactor or my life that you don't really have any clue about?
-
Bill, what you have is circumstantial evidence. Unless, the board mods say otherwise, STFU and GTFO. No one here has the time for this sort of bullshit. If you want to defame people, please do it else where. Until then, you and Zim are on my ignore list of doom. Have fun kiddies.
-- Bridget
-
What's wrong with Zim's taste in cartoons? and what is wrong with being 25 and in college? I am 31 and I'm in college. Is there a problem with that?
-
What's wrong with Zim's taste in cartoons? and what is wrong with being 25 and in college? I am 31 and I'm in college. Is there a problem with that?
You just gave me a vision of my future.... [darth vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........[/darth vader]
Sorry, I had to do it, it's part of the BBS rules.
-- Bridget
-
Heh. I admit that I've spent about half an hour total trying to develop something of this sort. All that I have currently is a shortcut to the BBS at this URL:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=1548
which I refresh about as often as I ping digg. Still of questionable repute, but at least it limits my vendettas to one person, and I didn't need to create any fake accounts nor attempt to dish out more negative karma than is allotted to me. I've thought about setting up some RSS feed monitor to circumvent the whole thing, but that's not nearly as fun.
While I've mostly forgotten about it, the karma of the one person at the top of my list has dropped gradually despite his sporadic presence in recent weeks. It would be kind of fun to waste a bit of time attempting to automate it, but the work required was slightly more extensive than I cared to do.
Hint: You can't use crontab and wget/lynx/mozilla because it requires login cookies. If you wanted to do it right, however, this would probably be the best place to start. I imagine if you use some script language like python and build your headers, sending a Request object through urllib.urlopen() might work.
Oh, yeah. The boy is definitely guilty. 5 months community service. And he owes us all ice cream. Mmmmm. Ice cream.
-
Yeah, monitoring Zim's board habits is pretty weird. Your weird Brasky. All that over something as petty as Karma.
I sit up all night at work.
If you sat up all night, and watched it go on and off on the hour, and slap slap...
How long would it take you to realize its a bot?
These arent difficult questions.
The man is free to slap himself silly if he sits here and reads the posts.
Hey, I know, lets just all get bots and go the fuck home. Then it could just be a cube inside a cube, existing and slapping and nobody would have to lift a fucking finger.
Let the bot wars begin, the cyborg wars of the 21st century
Everybody stop, its a bots only board now. Except for when Zim wants to come in and stick cartoon dicks up his buddies ass. Then we just all do the robotron dance and act like its cool, for his enjoyment, plastic people in prearranged poses, Greetings zim- thankyou for entering the ftl sterile environment please post your thoughts and we will all go ha-ha-ha if you decide we should laugh
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with being 25 in college in miami, thats the whole point Muppet. I think he has better things to do than design bots for an argument that happened a month ago
-
Bitch slap for gandhi because again it's all circumstantial until we have some real data, not just logs. Fucking eh, you remind me of the jackasses that think someone who plays a certain zone in an MMO is a bot because you can't believe their quest does fucking take that long to finish. I'm sure glad I still got your pussy ass on iggy.
-- Bridget
-
maybe he is right about your ass-holiness.
-
What exactly would meet your criteria for having a so-called "life"? How about living with your girlfriend? How about going to college? How about working a full time job? How about having hobbies such as listening to heavy metal or techno, or watching anime, or going to concerts every once-in-a-while? All of these describe me. Do I have a life yet, according to you, Mr. Bill Brasky?
-
I nominate this as "Topic of the Year", although the year has only just begun. I doubt however anything will surpass this. ROFL!
-
Bitch slap for gandhi because again it's all circumstantial until we have some real data, not just logs. Fucking eh, you remind me of the jackasses that think someone who plays a certain zone in an MMO is a bot because you can't believe their quest does fucking take that long to finish. I'm sure glad I still got your pussy ass on iggy.
a) Why was this necessary?
b) What have I done to piss you off lately?
d) Do you Randoids have any sense of humor? ;)
d) How could you read my posts if I'm being ignored?
e) I've thrown up the damned white flag. Can we stop now?
Oh, yeah, /bitchslapped back. This is going to get catty, Bridgie...I'm a karma whore, we all know it, and apparently the worst thing that I could have done to that end was not like Ayn Rand's work. Even after being a complete ass-dick to a few trolls...my karma never dropped so fast.
-
a) Why was this necessary?
Because you're being a nub.
b) What have I done to piss you off lately?
You're still breathing.
d) Do you Randoids have any sense of humor? ;)
Only when it's from a Subgenii.
d) How could you read my posts if I'm being ignored?
You can click a little button that lets you read them.
e) I've thrown up the damned white flag. Can we stop now?
No.
-
...And the Karma Holocaust has begun! lmao!
-
Bitch slap for gandhi because again it's all circumstantial until we have some real data, not just logs. Fucking eh, you remind me of the jackasses that think someone who plays a certain zone in an MMO is a bot because you can't believe their quest does fucking take that long to finish. I'm sure glad I still got your pussy ass on iggy.
-- Bridget
Hey, you know what?
I just read a lengthy thread about how you dislike people who have no business shitting in a discussion.
I posted facts, and there will be no moderation unless the mods decide to include themselves.
You believe you are entitled to your interpretation of a series of events and you draw from them a conclusion, as do I.
Are you better than me? Maybe you are better in math, and you've read some books that apply to specific arguments here of political philosophy, but I'll tell you what, when you argue from the hip, its a total piece of shit.
Bill, what you have is circumstantial evidence. Unless, the board mods say otherwise, STFU and GTFO. No one here has the time for this sort of bullshit. If you want to defame people, please do it else where. Until then, you and Zim are on my ignore list of doom. Have fun kiddies.
-- Bridget
And what the fuck is this shit, twinkletoes?
No one here has the time? Then why participate, o' wise one?
I know I have circumstantial evidence, I stated that in the first post. Most of it is fact, did you also read that, o' wise one?
And who the fuck are you to tell me to STFU and GTFO of my OWN FUCKING THREAD?
I think you need a wakeup call babydoll. You wandered into Galts Gulch and kicked over the water barrel, with malice. You are a hypocrite. You are free to speak, but thats about it. I have opinions as much as you do, perhaps more, and I dare say they make more sense because I learn from my mistakes and I listen to people smarter than me. You do not.
You may speak to me at your leisure, but do it with some self respect next time, not for my benefit, but for yours.
-
Are you better than me?
Morally, yes. Intellectually, yes.
No one here has the time? Then why participate, o' wise one?
To keep trollish assholes like you in your place.
I know I have circumstantial evidence, I stated that in the first post. Most of it is fact, did you also read that, o' wise one?
Yes, and you're false accusing someone of something. If you have no proof, then back down and delete the thread. Otherwise, expect my response.
And who the fuck are you to tell me to STFU and GTFO of my OWN FUCKING THREAD?
Because I am your moral better, boy.
I think you need a wakeup call babydoll. You wandered into Galts Gulch and kicked over the water barrel, with malice. You are a hypocrite. You are free to speak, but thats about it. I have opinions as much as you do, perhaps more, and I dare say they make more sense because I learn from my mistakes and I listen to people smarter than me. You do not.
I think this is completely irrelevant in that you are the one falsely accusing someone of something.
You may speak to me at your leisure, but do it with some self respect next time, not for my benefit, but for yours.
Self-respect, boy? I have no respect for you. I would not even piss on you if you were on fire. Kiss my ass and die, fucktard.
-- Bridget
-
Re: Bridget:
Apart from being absolutely unnecessary, your post has shown a level of vengeance even I couldn't match, and a level of maturity incomparable to most on the board. It is obvious that you have not yet cooled down from the unimaginable offense of being critical of somebody who is very influentual to you. I have apologized repeatedly for the offense, but if you feel threatened by a difference of opinion, I would caution you to remember that this sort of difference will be common in any grouping of intelligent minds.
To continue to have such a feud will really only ruin both yours, mine, and everybody else's time here. A certain amount of disrespect is probably absolvable, but after a while, the dramatic exchange is disregarded by all but the party/parties involved in it. I'm not going to play a part....I'd rather enjoy my time debating with members here, than work up a sweat over insults hurled my way with no initiation of force, nor reason apart from attempting to get my blood boiling. If that is indeed your goal, I'm afraid you will be robbed of the satisfaction. If, however, you wish to continue to act in a disrespectful manner, I would merely ask that you push the button that drops my karma, instead of making loud and meaningless proclamations.
P.S.
I am relatively sure you have mis-spelled "newb."
-
Apart from being absolutely unnecessary, your post has shown a level of vengeance even I couldn't match, and a level of maturity incomparable to most on the board. It is obvious that you have not yet cooled down from the unimaginable offense of being critical of somebody who is very influentual to you. I have apologized repeatedly for the offense, but if you feel threatened by a difference of opinion, I would caution you to remember that this sort of difference will be common in any grouping of intelligent minds.
I just don't particularly like you. Get use to it.
To continue to have such a feud will really only ruin both yours, mine, and everybody else's time here. A certain amount of disrespect is probably absolvable, but after a while, the dramatic exchange is disregarded by all but the party/parties involved in it. I'm not going to play a part....I'd rather enjoy my time debating with members here, than work up a sweat over insults hurled my way with no initiation of force, nor reason apart from attempting to get my blood boiling. If that is indeed your goal, I'm afraid you will be robbed of the satisfaction. If, however, you wish to continue to act in a disrespectful manner, I would merely ask that you merely push the button that drops my karma, instead of making loud and meaningless proclamations.
Fuck off.
P.S.
I am relatively sure you have mis-spelled "newb."
Nub is the new n00b/newb.
-- Bridget
-
Imagine the perfect forum.
Imagine a forum where there was no karma rating, and no post count. Then, every post's merit would be individually and solely dependent upon its content. With karma and post counts, you get people with inflated egos thinking their opinions are of greater value than anyone else's because of their seniority (based upon post count) and/or popularity rating (as given by the karma rating).
Yes, the perfect forum. Imagine seeing a post by a user named "someguy"...and not knowing whether or not he's been a member for years or a single day, and not knowing whether or not he is "well liked" by others...what then? You might actually have to read his posts, and develop opinions about him on your own! How glorious!
-
Agreed.
The problem with postcount and karma is it establishes a fasle and superficial hierarchy of importance.
-
Oh, and Ghandi2...I admit, you are very well-spoken. I wish I had the ability to write so eloquently.
edit:
Now that I think of it, you disagreed with me on the anime thread as well...yet, I don't feel the need to do to you what I've been doing to Brasky. I guess the reason is that you don't come off as being such a giant ass-hole. You, unlike Brasky, stated your objections to anime (and they were quite informed, intellectual points, I might add), and simply resigned to disagreeing with me.
Brasky, on the other hand, had no well-researched/intellectual points. Instead, he just repeatedly called it all childish, and called me 101 different names...I believe "pedophile" was one of them.
-
maybe he is right about your ass-holiness.
Hey, you were in the army, right?
Stop me if these words are nonsensical to you:
Vigilence. Recon. Formation. 04:00 05:00 06:00 Pattern
Halt Who goes there?
-----------------------
The only thing I suggested about being 25 in college in miami is he might want to go do some bed wrestling instead of logging his angry little ass onto a fucking BBS and "once an hour" giving out bitchslaps. If he wants me to believe he recruited EternityAblaze, he doesnt even have to mention it, because I already knew that, too. Post #2 or 3, the guy is wetting his pants at the chance to enter the fray.
Read the whole thread, especially the complex analysis he threw down on post #5 or so about monitoring the clicks I got.
This guys a fuckin spaz, and his buddy is not wrapped too tight either.
--------------------
So, it really doesnt matter all that much to me what they do, its all just fucking bullshit. But I have to say it amuses me to see your response Muppet, this is really a little unexpected. I sit here and watch a pattern, and its really pretty fucking obvious to me, and I call him (them) on it.
I take fact, fact, fact, and wad it up into a snowball. I look at it. I drill it right into a fucking guys head. And you think I'm a dick for pointing a finger at some jackass and asking him what the fucks up?
Arite thats cool. Sounds strange coming from a guy who's advice on a cheating spouse is to kick the guys ass, but I guess everybody bends their beliefs in their own way.
I'll talk to you again in better places, thanks for your input. Sorry if I offended you, maybe tomorrow in the one line funny second amendment threads where we both agree on the obvious.
-
Bots, I don't know anything about. It's probably giving him too much credit, and even if he were using one I'm not sure there's any board rules against it. Either way, he's just bitchslapping excessively. Is it retarded? Yeah, but there's not anything to do about it, it's just part of the system.
I'm not gonna make any judgments about weirdness levels, but it's only fair in light of some of the comments here that I point out that Zim did just admit to obsessively slapping Brasky and recruiting others to do the same. He became suspicious of Brasky's rising karma? He wanted to do something about it? What the fuck? I'd say having that much concern over someone else is a little weirder than noticing your own karma goes down 10 points every night and wondering who it is.
Imagine the perfect forum.
Imagine a forum where there was no karma rating, and no post count. Then, every post's merit would be individually and solely dependent upon its content. With karma and post counts, you get people with inflated egos thinking their opinions are of greater value than anyone else's because of their seniority (based upon post count) and/or popularity rating (as given by the karma rating).
Yes, the perfect forum. Imagine seeing a post by a user named "someguy"...and not knowing whether or not he's been a member for years or a single day, and not knowing whether or not he is "well liked" by others...what then? You might actually have to read his posts, and develop opinions about him on your own! How glorious!
Respect here comes from consistently noticing someone's posts/opinions to be worthy of respect, not the fact that they have been here longer or have a higher karma rating. That's like saying a police officer is automatically worthy of respect because he carries a badge. You and I both know that's definitely not true - people have to earn respect with each person individually. Just because I or the majority respects someone doesn't mean you automatically should. Think for yourself. And as you have so elegantly shown, karma don't mean shit. Anyone with a lot of time and maybe a little mental instability can bend and twist it at their leisure.
I don't approve of your decision to do that, but it's kinda what makes this board cool. This is the perfect forum. Just because it has a couple douchebags doesn't mean the forum itself is unsatisfactory.
-
Brasky's posts cheer me up. I applaud him when I am cheered up enough.
That said, this is the lamest thread ever.
-
The only thing wrong with this forum is that there's a thread like this. Brasky, I love you, and I'm sure you didn't see this thread going here, but shit dude, you opened a can of leeches or something
-
Ah, well...fuck it. The good karma streak couldn't last forever. I imagine that many here with counts in the thousands have bounced back and forth due to shit like this.
I just don't particularly like you. Get use to it.
Sure. I can live with that. Not everybody is bound to like each other. Guess what? I don't particularly like you, either. But I believe I have been relatively respectful of most your opinions, despite a marked disrespect from you for virtually everybody else that even remotely disagrees. You have been rude and loud and tactless, and I think it's about time that it stops, eh?
Fuck off.
My aren't we abrasive this morn? Come on, sweetie. Put on your makeup...you are looking rather disheveled. Here's your Valium...there ya go. Good girl. For heavens' sake, if you don't start to behave yourself, one day you well end up as a miserable old women with nobody to love you.
Oh, not to your liking? Two can be vindictive, and I am confident that I can be infinitely more condescending than you, schnookums. It's the smirk, the poker face...and it requires a more than marginal command of tactful and subtle language. It's just not the same to just say "fuck off" when you could spend a paragraph doing it, between the lines, and still look intelligible during. You are obviously angry, whilst I remain composed...isn't it just so much more...what's the word....punctuated? You mentioned once it would be advisable to not piss me off... You were right. I warned you, and I granted more than a few concessions, which you promptly spit right back in my face.
Brasky called it. You are being a bitch, for the sheer sake of being bitchy. Do not piss off his Braskiness. His following is mighty and vast.
Ah. 8) That felt gooooood. Time for lunch.
Tag, Brasky. Go get her if you care to.
-
I think the thread is well warranted. Bob and I have had our karma go down significantly in the last week. We've been trying to figure out who it is, and it came down to two people: Bridget or Zim. I think it's Zim because of my posts in his anime thread (oh gawd I defiled teh precious animu!). Bob thinks it's Bridget because of some argument they got into about dicks or something.
If you want to keep bitchslapping us, fine. You and your buttfucking pal EternityAblaze can get on here every hour on the hour and just start bitchslapping away...no one can stop you. All I can say is don't come to Porcfest though, or there will be violence. We know what you look like.
And Brasky's karma keeps going up because he's a cool guy. I applaud him all the fucking time. I know Bob and Lindsey do too. I doubt he has multiple accounts or an applause-bot, he's just not a worthless piece of shit like you, Zim.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Taors/fail2.jpg)
-
All I can say is don't come to Porcfest though, or there will be violence. We know what you look like.
thats pretty hardcore dude, are you going to take 'em on alone or will you have help?
-
Brasky's posts cheer me up. I applaud him when I am cheered up enough.
That said, this is the lamest thread ever.
Gahhh! You insolent fuck. Plus one for you, and then minus one, now nothing happened. Nothing !
The only thing wrong with this forum is that there's a thread like this. Brasky, I love you, and I'm sure you didn't see this thread going here, but shit dude, you opened a can of leeches or something
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Ha! Its difficult to use that one with the proper lightning and thunder happening behind them... That was cool.
-
All I can say is don't come to Porcfest though, or there will be violence. We know what you look like.
thats pretty hardcore dude, are you going to take 'em on alone or will you have help?
I'm willing to 1 on 1. If Eternity jumps in then I'd expect one of my friends to jump in as well.
-
It was me. I confess. I got shit-faced drunk the other night and went to town on everybody here.
You know, the whole "You knaw hoo I liyke?? *hic* Youje guyz, thass who. Thisss ith the guy...I luv thiss guy. But, maaan, I tell ya. Thiss guy is a phuckkin ASSHOLE!!"-and-then-you're-up-against-the-wall-smashing-your-buddy's-face-in kind of deal.
Cyro 1:52-53:
For in the temples of the Pharasees did Cyro preach the word of Brasky, which oft caused them anger. Sayeth the sinners, "Who is this Brasky to be so critical in his commandments? Hath he domain over all?" They did long snicker and cast blame upon others, yet yea, even this did little to move the faithful.
And Cyro said to them: "He is the great I Am, the Holy of Holies. He speaks and wisdom cometh from His mouth. For those who have let Brasky into their hearts are cheered by His presence, and theirs is the glory and the victory, amen."
-
Bots, I don't know anything about. It's probably giving him too much credit, and even if he were using one I'm not sure there's any board rules against it. Either way, he's just bitchslapping excessively. Is it retarded? Yeah, but there's not anything to do about it, it's just part of the system.
I'm not gonna make any judgments about weirdness levels, but it's only fair in light of some of the comments here that I point out that Zim did just admit to obsessively slapping Brasky and recruiting others to do the same. He became suspicious of Brasky's rising karma? He wanted to do something about it? What the fuck? I'd say having that much concern over someone else is a little weirder than noticing your own karma goes down 10 points every night and wondering who it is.
Its not againt the rules. There are no rules. So... How come everyone whips out the rulebook and says I violated nonexistant rules?
Paradox.
What I did is shine a flashlight into the face of a rat.
"AHHH bright light, I am not a rat", he says.
Oh yes you are, I reply strangely amused... I've seen rats before and you are indeed a rat.
Where the fucks my dog? Probably licking his nuts in the weeds. I wish I could do that. Not his nuts, mine. Nevermind.
Respect here comes from consistently noticing someone's posts/opinions to be worthy of respect, not the fact that they have been here longer or have a higher karma rating. That's like saying a police officer is automatically worthy of respect because he carries a badge. You and I both know that's definitely not true - people have to earn respect with each person individually. Just because I or the majority respects someone doesn't mean you automatically should. Think for yourself. And as you have so elegantly shown, karma don't mean shit. Anyone with a lot of time and maybe a little mental instability can bend and twist it at their leisure.
I don't approve of your decision to do that, but it's kinda what makes this board cool. This is the perfect forum. Just because it has a couple douchebags doesn't mean the forum itself is unsatisfactory.
I agree this is the perfect place. If you've ever surfed boards, most boards suck really bad... this one doesn't. Most boards have counters, its how they work, if you want a board that isnt a board, maybe you should attempt to find some thing that ......ISN'T A FUCKING BOARD.
How about a place that rubberstamps your opinion ticket? KA-Thunk Approved!
The mods are cool, I could post any picture I want right now. Any. Except for kiddy stuff, thats fucked up, I wouldnt, lets not try to bend the potato chip, it always breaks.
But there are SHITLOADS of places where nobody has counters on their posts, YouTube, maybe you've heard of it? A gazillion others just like it, blogs with feedback, you've heard of blogs? I think that covers about a billion users on six continents, possibly seven.
So, thats not big enough? Fine. Join the BBS you've found and appreciate. Live it up! But dont expect to solve your twisted little nightmares by whacking people over the head anonymously, because that is a sure sign of daffy duck doing the woo-hoo crazy dance.
Know what I'm sayin?
-
I was in the Marines not the army. and I think this should be settled through Trial By Combat.
-
All I can say is don't come to Porcfest though, or there will be violence. We know what you look like.
thats pretty hardcore dude, are you going to take 'em on alone or will you have help?
I'm willing to 1 on 1. If Eternity jumps in then I'd expect one of my friends to jump in as well.
Dont be silly. These are words on screens. This is not bloods and crips, this is cow tipping.
Open invitation, beer on the house.
If you're feeling frisky, bring some tequila, if not just have a beer and chill.
-
I don't understand Taor's obsession with taking people on 1v1. Who cares that you think you are 10ft tall and bullet proof? Secondly, even though I have my own karma vendettas towards people, it doesn't make me his (zim's) accomplice. Everyone here has their own vendettas. And no, mine doesn't (or at least didn't) include Brasky, however, it did include Taors, but that was several weeks ago and only lasted about a week.
And the people who claim 'karma' is such a great system are those who are the best at exploiting it.
-
Agreed. The people I do bitchslap deserve it for being assholes. I don't bitchslap them if they are disagreeing or debating, but as soon as their side of the debate includes remarks such as:
"Here is my my opinion is better than yours ....bitch"
Then its time to take them down a few notches. A good debater doesn't need to resolve to name calling.
-
I was in the Marines not the army. and I think this should be settled through Trial By Combat.
Well then I'm doubly confused, because if youre a Marine, why am I getting shit for using my deductive reasoning to determine a series of incidents requires a response?
Stop! Before you even go there, no. I never served. But I understand the concepts. Stop! Go no further, because I also understand the "You arent one" argument.
This is true. But I respect it and I know more about it than the majority of civilians. So, that gets me a cup of coffee, but I like coffee. I also like looking at people and wondering if they are okay, meeting people, being impressed with their accomplishments, even if its only a janitor or a highly respected businessman. Whatever they are, its not what you are its how you do it.
I gave a good deal of thought to the first post, I laid it all out. I obviously had judgements but I didnt kill the fucker on the spot. I left that up to the townspeople. They can look up the background. Then, dipsy doodle comes in like a retard on stilts and starts throwing firebombs on everyone, mostly me.
So, what did I really do? I observed a series of events, I decided I had the shit all squared away, and I posted it. Then he came in here and committed suicide. Fuck him.
-
(http://www.discountnewagebooks.com/products05/1558964479.jpg)
-
Funny... my karma has been getting hit with a bitchslap hourly... go figure. Zim is an idiot yadda yadda same ol same ol. Bridget if you are going to get pissed and bitchslap everyone then don't post in this topic. I don't know why you are so pissy lately but it's getting old. I miss the sweet fun Bridget.
Oh and I give Brasky applause quite a bit because he is fun to talk to...
as well as...
Taors
Apple
Yixil
Bridget (sometimes)
Lindsey
Cyro
Gandhi...
Need I go on?
-
OMG I cant believe I made the list! *runs to tell friends *
-
I was in the Marines not the army. and I think this should be settled through Trial By Combat.
Well then I'm doubly confused, because if youre a Marine, why am I getting shit for using my deductive reasoning to determine a series of incidents requires a response?
Stop! Before you even go there, no. I never served. But I understand the concepts. Stop! Go no further, because I also understand the "You arent one" argument.
This is true. But I respect it and I know more about it than the majority of civilians. So, that gets me a cup of coffee, but I like coffee. I also like looking at people and wondering if they are okay, meeting people, being impressed with their accomplishments, even if its only a janitor or a highly respected businessman. Whatever they are, its not what you are its how you do it.
I gave a good deal of thought to the first post, I laid it all out. I obviously had judgements but I didnt kill the fucker on the spot. I left that up to the townspeople. They can look up the background. Then, dipsy doodle comes in like a retard on stilts and starts throwing firebombs on everyone, mostly me.
So, what did I really do? I observed a series of events, I decided I had the shit all squared away, and I posted it. Then he came in here and committed suicide. Fuck him.
What the hell are you on? You have lost it. Zim must have really gotten under your skin if you are babbling incoherently about God knows what.
-
I had to put you down lower... it wouldn't have been fair considering I think about you all day.
-
I subscribe to the tit-for-tat cooperative mechansism. I implicitly trust somebody, and am prepared to offer applause. When tit is given, tat is given, and tat is reversed shortly after tit is reversed. It works fairly well, and apart from the BT smite thing as my shortcut, I've not really held a vendetta against people for long after the embers subside.
Eh, who cares, really. I was under the impression (falsely?) that this thread was not to be taken too seriously. Hence my demands for ice cream as recompense.
-
You want ice cream? Fuck I want more vodka and tonic water... the stuff I just bought isn't going to last forever.
-
Fuck the coke... rum is awesome alone. *wanders off to make another MEGA SIZE vodka tonic
-
It's probably fuckass Mcgee doing it... oh well. I'm always in a drinking mood.
-
It's probably fuckass Mcgee doing it...
(http://www.animationmagazine.net/images/articles/assy_mcgree_150.gif)
-
What the hell are you on? You have lost it. Zim must have really gotten under your skin if you are babbling incoherently about God knows what.
Maybe you dont read so good.
I'll lay it out for ya.
I smashed him for being a weirdo.
Im telling you about watching a series of events, were you fucking sick that day?
If you dont have the training, aptitude or basic fucking logic to add one plus one, maybe you shoulda drummed out and spent your hitch giving backrubs to the men who know how to observe a threat and confront it when it is identified. Is that clear?
If you have some fundamental flaw in seeing a name sign on, off, on ,off, and follow it to the douchebag who is doing it every sixty-one minutes, and cannot stretch your fucking head around the extremely limited possibilities of what is being done, you are stupid.
What would your response be to me saying "Your choice of music sucks".
You would probably say, fuck you.
And it would end. Is that clear?
This fuckin puke goes and creates a script that does his automatic work for him, hour by hour while he sleeps and shits. Fuck him. And if you think its a wonderful thing, well then fuck you too.
I already said about a dozen times I dont care about the bitchslaps, I talked to this twink in his thread weeks ago, in a civilized manner, maybe you should read back and scope out the whole thing if you want to get that thick.
Think about this, I've been given gifts of karma, and i didnt do it to myself.
So, every time I say something someone likes and I get one hit, he takes it away nine times over night.
Thats so fuckin cool. I think he should take his little device and shove it up his ass, and if it makes you horny, maybe he could rub it on your pussy a little, you could rub tits and make a day of it.
I hope that was clear enough. Hopefully, that didnt irritate you too badly Muppet, because I said I'll speak to you another day elsewhere. You rejected that plan.
Doesnt matter to me, everyone does what they want, I will too. Or do the rules only apply to me?
Again, I would like to remind the casual observers, Mr Zim is kinda goofy. Beware the goofy guy.
-
Agreed. The people I do bitchslap deserve it for being assholes. I don't bitchslap them if they are disagreeing or debating, but as soon as their side of the debate includes remarks such as:
"Here is my my opinion is better than yours ....bitch"
Then its time to take them down a few notches. A good debater doesn't need to resolve to name calling.
You dont have the slightst fucking clue how it works.
You have fifty posts. Fifty.
Would you care to review the things youve said?
Should we examine your posts for substance, or do half of them say Ha Ha HA?
I wont look, thats dirty pool. I simply refuse to review your posts for content.
Because you know what? I doubt your posts have content. I would be looking for nothing, simply based on what you just said, I have little interest in your previous writings. That doesnt mean I wont read the next one, it simply means I am not impressed and wont make an effort to delve backwards into your thoughts.
HOWEVER
You are invited to review mine, thats what the buttons are for.
I also have a history of stupid meaningless posts, but when I get serious I believe in what I'm saying, and when that happens, it means something. Ever said something worth reading?
I also work on a case by case basis, and I do not bitchslap people, it is stupid. If I see something I like, I +1 it and thats it.
-
Eh, who cares, really. I was under the impression (falsely?) that this thread was not to be taken too seriously. Hence my demands for ice cream as recompense.
No, not falsely. You are exactly right.
But I cant be responsible for the shit-volcano that erupted. I will admit once the blood began to flow and I was being told how much of an asshole I am, I might have ran amok, but hey... Whos writing this bitch?
I tried to be reasonable numerous times, in a general sense I think it worked properly.
Worm has been outed from his closet... Sorry gays, its a metaphor.
Sadly, there are bodies among the rubble, and I did not anticipate some of the damage. Good men have fallen, I might be one of them and not know it yet.
It is reminding me of the haze over the Tolkein battlefields, carnage, damage, loss. The warriors have not yet regrouped, flags still are dancing far away and we arent sure who carries them.
-
Yeah, I can't read. Hooked on Phonics didn't work for me. But I'm fine with that. Perhaps you can remind me again why this is such a big deal. Lay it out for me again big guy. I still don't see the relevence of any of this.
-
Yeah, I can't read. Hooked on Phonics didn't work for me. But I'm fine with that. Perhaps you can remind me again why this is such a big deal. Lay it out for me again big guy. I still don't see the relevence of any of this.
hm
Eh, who cares, really. I was under the impression (falsely?) that this thread was not to be taken too seriously. Hence my demands for ice cream as recompense.
No, not falsely. You are exactly right.
But I cant be responsible for the shit-volcano that erupted. I will admit once the blood began to flow and I was being told how much of an asshole I am, I might have ran amok, but hey... Whos writing this bitch?
-
The weirdness level is definitely up on this subject. I can't say for sure one way or another what's going on here. I know that I've never had a problem with Zim, and I surely have never had a problem with Brasky. I think Brasky's a cool guy. He's a smart guy, and I enjoy talking to him. I don't interact much with Zim because he doesn't really get in to our non-serious threads too often. I don't have a problem with a single member of this board, I really don't. I'm not here to restrict your opinions, access, or anything for that matter. I'm here to correct problems when things step way out of line, help out when I can, have a little fun, and learn a few things. Relax guys, most of us have a few things in common here. Let's make the most out of it.
-
Awww Lindsey is so cute. I like bunnies. Wanna ride bikes?
-
Awww Lindsey is so cute. I like bunnies. Wanna ride bikes?
Thanks, I think. :?
-
You and I would have a blast hanging out and you know it.
-
You and I would have a blast hanging out and you know it.
I know. I wish I had somebody to hang out with. :x
-
Come to NH if you can in a couple years and we can hang out tons! I don't really have a lot of people to hang out with here in VA, work is becoming my life. I'm 100% bachelor these days. My neighbor and I are awesome friends, of course we are also coworkers and she is my landlord so back to the work being my whole life thing. Other than that the only people I socialize with are cops and old scouting friends.
-
Honestly, this whole thing is ridiculous. If there is a bot...whoa. Creative, but...damn. If there isn't, move along - there's nothing to see here. I give up.
-
Well Lindsey if you get bored I think you know how to find my AIM. I'm always bored, and after work I'm usually drunk.
-
What is this shit
-
Don't make me hump you cerp.
-
barf
-
One more post from you and I will eat your face... or I will drink some move vodka tonics.
-
You and I would have a blast hanging out and you know it.
I know. I wish I had somebody to hang out with. :x
Wanna go to Hooters?
-
and old scouting friends.
/me is thinking dirty thoughts after reading that.
-
drink some move vodka tonics
-
Tonic water tastes like poison.
-
I haven't had sex with all my friends... just a good number of them. In all seriousness my scouting friends have been around since I was 11 and they have yet to abandon me. They are my family, I respect and love them. When they need, a place to stay, food, or money, they get it no questions asked.
-
I'm on number eight I think. In other words I am way ahead of you cerp.
-
I haven't had sex with all my friends... just a good number of them. In all seriousness my scouting friends have been around since I was 11 and they have yet to abandon me. They are my family, I respect and love them. When they need, a place to stay, food, or money, they get it no questions asked.
Cool.
-
We really are that close. My family and I didn't get along for years so my friends filled in.
-
I'm on number eight I think. In other words I am way ahead of you cerp.
Should I start drinking to get into the mindset?
-
Probably. If you drop by I'll fix you a vodka tonic.
-
Hold the tonic and I'll take you up on it.
-
It's my favorite vodka Svedka. Hope you like it. I have whiskey and shine as usual.
-
Svedka is cheap and good shit.
-
It is very good for a midrange vodka. I mean grey goose would be awesome, but I don't wanna spend that kinda cash to drink half a bottle in one night.
-
I really think it's as good as Grey Goose. I mean, Vodka is pretty much Vodka.
-
Besides vodka is for mixing. I have to say it goes great with Damien Rice's music.
-
Vodka goes good with anything after about 4 shots and 15 minutes.
-
What the hell are you on? You have lost it. Zim must have really gotten under your skin if you are babbling incoherently about God knows what.
Maybe you dont read so good.
I'll lay it out for ya.
I smashed him for being a weirdo.
Im telling you about watching a series of events, were you fucking sick that day?
If you dont have the training, aptitude or basic fucking logic to add one plus one, maybe you shoulda drummed out and spent your hitch giving backrubs to the men who know how to observe a threat and confront it when it is identified. Is that clear?
If you have some fundamental flaw in seeing a name sign on, off, on ,off, and follow it to the douchebag who is doing it every sixty-one minutes, and cannot stretch your fucking head around the extremely limited possibilities of what is being done, you are stupid.
What would your response be to me saying "Your choice of music sucks".
You would probably say, fuck you.
And it would end. Is that clear?
This fuckin puke goes and creates a script that does his automatic work for him, hour by hour while he sleeps and shits. Fuck him. And if you think its a wonderful thing, well then fuck you too.
I already said about a dozen times I dont care about the bitchslaps, I talked to this twink in his thread weeks ago, in a civilized manner, maybe you should read back and scope out the whole thing if you want to get that thick.
Think about this, I've been given gifts of karma, and i didnt do it to myself.
So, every time I say something someone likes and I get one hit, he takes it away nine times over night.
Thats so fuckin cool. I think he should take his little device and shove it up his ass, and if it makes you horny, maybe he could rub it on your pussy a little, you could rub tits and make a day of it.
I hope that was clear enough. Hopefully, that didnt irritate you too badly Muppet, because I said I'll speak to you another day elsewhere. You rejected that plan.
Doesnt matter to me, everyone does what they want, I will too. Or do the rules only apply to me?
Again, I would like to remind the casual observers, Mr Zim is kinda goofy. Beware the goofy guy.
PARAGRAPHS. GRRRRRRRR!
-- Bridget
-
Honestly, this whole thing is ridiculous. If there is a bot...whoa. Creative, but...damn. If there isn't, move along - there's nothing to see here. I give up.
Fuck. Lindsey's here. It must be a real thread. Oh well... I would just like to say that when I feel the way you guys sound, I close the fucking browser and go watch a movie or something. Please consider unplugging once in a blue moon. Even Lindsey does it.
-
Honestly, this whole thing is ridiculous. If there is a bot...whoa. Creative, but...damn. If there isn't, move along - there's nothing to see here. I give up.
Fuck. Lindsey's here. It must be a real thread. Oh well... I would just like to say that when I feel the way you guys sound, I close the fucking browser and go watch a movie or something. Please consider unplugging once in a blue moon. Even Lindsey does it.
I discovered a pattern recently. When my last "relationship" ended, it just so happened that my router died almost immediately following. I was so much happier when I couldn't see the pictures, e-mails, and other shit that we had exchanged, but also because there was so much less drama going on in my life. I went to work, I did my job, I came home, I watched some TV, and I got some sleep. I'm seriously considering just taking a break from the internet for a while. I love you guys and all, but we've just got to grow the fuck up.
-
Lindsey why do you have such a vendetta against the internets?
-
Lindsey why do you have such a vendetta against the internets?
Don't get me wrong, I like the internet. It's quite handy. I just need a break from everyone sometimes.
-
Go into the wilderness for a few weeks.
-
Go into the wilderness for a few weeks.
I don't want that much of a break.
-
Well, that was amusing.
Maybe I shoulda made it into a public service announcement instead of a trial. Trials are so dramatic.
-
I guess it worked then
-
She only likes her paragraphs.
-
♫ Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together,
try to love one another right now.. ♫
-
What the hell are you on? You have lost it. Zim must have really gotten under your skin if you are babbling incoherently about God knows what.
Maybe you dont read so good.
I'll lay it out for ya.
I smashed him for being a weirdo.
Im telling you about watching a series of events, were you fucking sick that day?
If you dont have the training, aptitude or basic fucking logic to add one plus one, maybe you shoulda drummed out and spent your hitch giving backrubs to the men who know how to observe a threat and confront it when it is identified. Is that clear?
If you have some fundamental flaw in seeing a name sign on, off, on ,off, and follow it to the douchebag who is doing it every sixty-one minutes, and cannot stretch your fucking head around the extremely limited possibilities of what is being done, you are stupid.
What would your response be to me saying "Your choice of music sucks".
You would probably say, fuck you.
And it would end. Is that clear?
This fuckin puke goes and creates a script that does his automatic work for him, hour by hour while he sleeps and shits. Fuck him. And if you think its a wonderful thing, well then fuck you too.
I already said about a dozen times I dont care about the bitchslaps, I talked to this twink in his thread weeks ago, in a civilized manner, maybe you should read back and scope out the whole thing if you want to get that thick.
Think about this, I've been given gifts of karma, and i didnt do it to myself.
So, every time I say something someone likes and I get one hit, he takes it away nine times over night.
Thats so fuckin cool. I think he should take his little device and shove it up his ass, and if it makes you horny, maybe he could rub it on your pussy a little, you could rub tits and make a day of it.
I hope that was clear enough. Hopefully, that didnt irritate you too badly Muppet, because I said I'll speak to you another day elsewhere. You rejected that plan.
Doesnt matter to me, everyone does what they want, I will too. Or do the rules only apply to me?
Again, I would like to remind the casual observers, Mr Zim is kinda goofy. Beware the goofy guy.
PARAGRAPHS. GRRRRRRRR!
-- Bridget
Artistic License
Purposeful syntax.
-
I guess it worked then
I donno what you're exactly referring to, so I've got two answers.
Well, that was amusing.
Maybe I shoulda made it into a public service announcement instead of a trial. Trials are so dramatic.
It created a bunch of drama and namecalling, which was stupid. However a few people did use the chance to hose each other and that was probably necessary, from time to time it happens like a forest fire.
But! I've also got this:
Last Active: January 24, 2007, 10:04:23 pm
It'll show up under a different name in a month or two. Who knows. The whole thing went fubar, but I was certain of the actual thing that was happening and I still am. I dont really know how I could have approached him privately and explained what I thought he was doing. Maybe a PM, I guess. But then I wouldnt have gotten to see The Explanation, which was hysterical. That alone made it worth doing.
Takes all sorts of people to make the world go 'round. And in this case we met a strange guy who got oddly pissed about my opinions on cartoons. Go figure.
-
There you go.
-
I think Anime... is decent. Some of them are good some of them are bad but most are shitty... kinda like cops.
-
I mean, Vodka is pretty much Vodka.
Popov.....it doesn't get cheaper than that.
-
I guess it worked then
I donno what you're exactly referring to, so I've got two answers.
I don't remember, actually
-
I mean, Vodka is pretty much Vodka.
Popov.....it doesn't get cheaper than that.
5 o'clock.
If a vodka is bad, it's really bad. If it's good, it's not bad. All vodka isn't equal. Try some Hangar One at least once. I say once because that's about how many times you'll be able to afford it.
-
I mean, Vodka is pretty much Vodka.
Popov.....it doesn't get cheaper than that.
5 o'clock.
If a vodka is bad, it's really bad. If it's good, it's not bad. All vodka isn't equal. Try some Hangar One at least once. I say once because that's about how many times you'll be able to afford it.
What zombie from Dawn of the Dead is that in your avatar?
-
That ain't no zombie motherfucker, that's a frenchie smoking a ciggie while puttin' on a tie.
I like people and I like smoking, so it follows that I must really like people who are smoking. That may or may not be true, but I do like their photographs. That guy isn't anyone in particular. I'll pick someone more noteworthy next time. We can play Guess Who.
Edit: Changed. Guess Who.
-
That ain't no zombie motherfucker, that's a frenchie smoking a ciggie while puttin' on a tie.
I thought it looked like it was from some french new wave movie... was I right?
-
That ain't no zombie motherfucker, that's a frenchie smoking a ciggie while puttin' on a tie.
I thought it looked like it was from some french new wave movie... was I right?
I have aptly labeled it frenchkidputsonatiewhilesmoking.jpg
Its origins are now unknown.
-
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8310/smokers5px9.jpg)
What the hell is that thing? Is that... Is that a bat?
Naw, can't be. Its way too fucking huge to be a bat.
-
Might be. Bat country and all.
I dunno man, it's the vibe. Those guys aren't really giving off one that interests me.
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/71033487.jpg)
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/katemoss1564op.jpg)
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/coverfeb060038zbhh6.jpg)
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/AP4087-002.jpg)
They're just pictures. I guess the smokes are just a nice accessory.
-
Might be. Bat country and all.
I dunno man, it's the vibe. Those guys aren't really giving off one that interests me.
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/katemoss1564op.jpg)
They're just pictures. I guess the smokes are just a nice accessory.
I love this picture.
-
S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s--s-s-sMOKIN'!
-
I'd smoke 54874359849328 packs a day if it made me look like Kate Moss.
-
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1829/bikersqk4.jpg)
Found the smoker.
The two goobers amused me, because the guy with the shades needs to adjust them on his face.
He also looks vaguely like the french smoker.
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9482/roxybedsa3.jpg)
I personally liked this one, but it's not a photo so it doesn't count.
I used to have a photo of a duck standing on a frozen lake I took in B+W, but he wasnt smoking a cigarette. I woulda photographed him either way, they are just accessories. Cigarettes, I mean. Not ducks.
-
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/71033487arrow.jpg)
Also a smoker.
And just because people seem to like Kate here:
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/smokingfoot.jpg)
-
She's too thin.
-
(http://www.richardhalley.com/pictures/ftl/71033487arrow.jpg)
Also a smoker.
I guess he is. Looked like the flavor saver.
See if you can find the smoker in this photo.
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1125/smokeladytb4.jpg)
-
That's a Wonderjoint.
-
Its probably tobacco, but its cool to think shes got a big spliff.
-
Either way, that's intense.
-
Its probably tobacco, but its cool to think shes got a big spliff.
Her eyes look like she's getting high.
-
Its probably tobacco, but its cool to think shes got a big spliff.
Her eyes look like she's getting high.
Or she's being pleasured off-camera.
-
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9482/roxybedsa3.jpg)
I personally liked this one, but it's not a photo so it doesn't count.
an absolutley beatuiful rendition. sensual. erotic. the muted, nigh-washed-out yellow adds a pleasing aesthetic, reminiscent of the bright rays of a rising morning sun peering through the windows.
wonderfully executed.
do you by chance know the artist's name?
-
It's a character from Gen13. I think her name is Freefall.
-- Bridget
-
Puffy nipples rox.
-
that too.
-
Heh. I admit that I've spent about half an hour total trying to develop something of this sort. All that I have currently is a shortcut to the BBS at this URL:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=1548
which I refresh about as often as I ping digg. Still of questionable repute, but at least it limits my vendettas to one person, and I didn't need to create any fake accounts nor attempt to dish out more negative karma than is allotted to me. I've thought about setting up some RSS feed monitor to circumvent the whole thing, but that's not nearly as fun.
While I've mostly forgotten about it, the karma of the one person at the top of my list has dropped gradually despite his sporadic presence in recent weeks. It would be kind of fun to waste a bit of time attempting to automate it, but the work required was slightly more extensive than I cared to do.
Hint: You can't use crontab and wget/lynx/mozilla because it requires login cookies. If you wanted to do it right, however, this would probably be the best place to start. I imagine if you use some script language like python and build your headers, sending a Request object through urllib.urlopen() might work.
Oh, yeah. The boy is definitely guilty. 5 months community service. And he owes us all ice cream. Mmmmm. Ice cream.
It's not difficult to make a bot. All you need is a browser that supports frames, and the meta refresh. Here ya go:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="3700">
</head>
<frameset rows="0px,*">
<frame src="about:blank">
<frame src="http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=XYZ">
</frameset>
</html>
Save that as an HTML page on your local computer. Change XYZ to be the UID (number, not username) of the person you want to smite, the resave the file. Open Firefox (does not work in Internet Explorer, I think). Log into your FTL BBS account with Firefox. Then open the page you saved on your computer with Firefox. Leave it sit in the background, and as long as that page is open, every hour+100 seconds it will refresh that page, which will call the FTL BBS page that smites someone. Just don't close the window, leave it open, and it will run. You can still browse FTL BBS while this is running, it doesn't effect any other windows including other Firefox ones.
This can also easily be changed to boost someone's Karma from a dummy account. So I'm not saying Zim or Bill are using a bot, but that either one could be.
Full disclosure: I have never used this script, in fact, I just wrote it here on the spot. For proof of concept only (that it's entirely possible, ney, easy to make a smiting script). Do not eat. Do not take while driving. With liberty and justice for all. Amen.
-
Oh rapture. Now you have given us the tools to do such nonsense. :lol:
-
Heh. I admit that I've spent about half an hour total trying to develop something of this sort. All that I have currently is a shortcut to the BBS at this URL:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=1548
which I refresh about as often as I ping digg. Still of questionable repute, but at least it limits my vendettas to one person, and I didn't need to create any fake accounts nor attempt to dish out more negative karma than is allotted to me. I've thought about setting up some RSS feed monitor to circumvent the whole thing, but that's not nearly as fun.
While I've mostly forgotten about it, the karma of the one person at the top of my list has dropped gradually despite his sporadic presence in recent weeks. It would be kind of fun to waste a bit of time attempting to automate it, but the work required was slightly more extensive than I cared to do.
Hint: You can't use crontab and wget/lynx/mozilla because it requires login cookies. If you wanted to do it right, however, this would probably be the best place to start. I imagine if you use some script language like python and build your headers, sending a Request object through urllib.urlopen() might work.
Oh, yeah. The boy is definitely guilty. 5 months community service. And he owes us all ice cream. Mmmmm. Ice cream.
It's not difficult to make a bot. All you need is a browser that supports frames, and the meta refresh. Here ya go:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="3700">
</head>
<frameset rows="0px,*">
<frame src="about:blank">
<frame src="http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=XYZ">
</frameset>
</html>
Save that as an HTML page on your local computer. Change XYZ to be the UID (number, not username) of the person you want to smite, the resave the file. Open Firefox (does not work in Internet Explorer, I think). Log into your FTL BBS account with Firefox. Then open the page you saved on your computer with Firefox. Leave it sit in the background, and as long as that page is open, every hour+100 seconds it will refresh that page, which will call the FTL BBS page that smites someone. Just don't close the window, leave it open, and it will run. You can still browse FTL BBS while this is running, it doesn't effect any other windows including other Firefox ones.
This can also easily be changed to boost someone's Karma from a dummy account. So I'm not saying Zim or Bill are using a bot, but that either one could be.
Full disclosure: I have never used this script, in fact, I just wrote it here on the spot. For proof of concept only (that it's entirely possible, ney, easy to make a smiting script). Do not eat. Do not take while driving. With liberty and justice for all. Amen.
If I knew how to write script, you fuckers would know it. I've asked plenty of techie questions around here, configuring windows and that shit. Just the fact I'm running windows speaks volumes about my skill.
Just sayin'.
----------------------------------------------
Yeah, nice pic, 'eh Baker? I'm glad someone with an artistic streak could see what I felt was well done. Its intimate like a photo, but theres a fantasy perfection about it. Good work by that guy.
-
Here Brasky, learn how to write scripts
http://www.amazon.com/Screenwriters-Bible-Complete-Writing-Formatting/dp/1879505843/sr=1-1/qid=1170015073/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-3593189-0758811?ie=UTF8&s=books
-
Okay. I'm actually gonna look into that 'cause it'll be helpful at work. I've been pushing those tools to send me for training, but they're only interested in sending the old timers who dont know how to re-boot.
The stuff I've briefly looked into, and what I'm actually interested in is getting off windows. Never really got farther than technobabble that assumes you have a complete understanding. I want the introductory stuff. So, it looks like a big pain in the ass and [ X ] goes the window.
-
Save that as an HTML page on your local computer. Change XYZ to be the UID (number, not username) of the person you want to smite, the resave the file. Open Firefox (does not work in Internet Explorer, I think). Log into your FTL BBS account with Firefox. Then open the page you saved on your computer with Firefox. Leave it sit in the background, and as long as that page is open, every hour+100 seconds it will refresh that page, which will call the FTL BBS page that smites someone. Just don't close the window, leave it open, and it will run. You can still browse FTL BBS while this is running, it doesn't effect any other windows including other Firefox ones.
This can also easily be changed to boost someone's Karma from a dummy account. So I'm not saying Zim or Bill are using a bot, but that either one could be.
Full disclosure: I have never used this script, in fact, I just wrote it here on the spot. For proof of concept only (that it's entirely possible, ney, easy to make a smiting script). Do not eat. Do not take while driving. With liberty and justice for all. Amen.
That's cheating. You can't make another account, it's against the rules. The Rules of Fair Play.
Plus, it's not as cool. It's the cheap way to do it. Doesn't even require faking request headers to mimic the session cookies. I want to make one that has a friends list, a bitch list and runs on the command line. I would be non-platform dependent and non-browser dependent. You wouldn't even need to be in Firefox to run it. I want one that runs in my sleep, as Brasky says. And it will be released under the G-DBAD-PL(General Don't Be a Dick Public License). For all to use/abuse. Even the score for some others who are aping accounts or using bots to lower karma of cool peeps.
-
Heh. I admit that I've spent about half an hour total trying to develop something of this sort. All that I have currently is a shortcut to the BBS at this URL:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=1548
which I refresh about as often as I ping digg. Still of questionable repute, but at least it limits my vendettas to one person, and I didn't need to create any fake accounts nor attempt to dish out more negative karma than is allotted to me. I've thought about setting up some RSS feed monitor to circumvent the whole thing, but that's not nearly as fun.
While I've mostly forgotten about it, the karma of the one person at the top of my list has dropped gradually despite his sporadic presence in recent weeks. It would be kind of fun to waste a bit of time attempting to automate it, but the work required was slightly more extensive than I cared to do.
Hint: You can't use crontab and wget/lynx/mozilla because it requires login cookies. If you wanted to do it right, however, this would probably be the best place to start. I imagine if you use some script language like python and build your headers, sending a Request object through urllib.urlopen() might work.
Oh, yeah. The boy is definitely guilty. 5 months community service. And he owes us all ice cream. Mmmmm. Ice cream.
It's not difficult to make a bot. All you need is a browser that supports frames, and the meta refresh. Here ya go:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="3700">
</head>
<frameset rows="0px,*">
<frame src="about:blank">
<frame src="http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=smite;uid=XYZ">
</frameset>
</html>
Save that as an HTML page on your local computer. Change XYZ to be the UID (number, not username) of the person you want to smite, the resave the file. Open Firefox (does not work in Internet Explorer, I think). Log into your FTL BBS account with Firefox. Then open the page you saved on your computer with Firefox. Leave it sit in the background, and as long as that page is open, every hour+100 seconds it will refresh that page, which will call the FTL BBS page that smites someone. Just don't close the window, leave it open, and it will run. You can still browse FTL BBS while this is running, it doesn't effect any other windows including other Firefox ones.
This can also easily be changed to boost someone's Karma from a dummy account. So I'm not saying Zim or Bill are using a bot, but that either one could be.
Full disclosure: I have never used this script, in fact, I just wrote it here on the spot. For proof of concept only (that it's entirely possible, ney, easy to make a smiting script). Do not eat. Do not take while driving. With liberty and justice for all. Amen.
If I knew how to write script, you fuckers would know it. I've asked plenty of techie questions around here, configuring windows and that shit. Just the fact I'm running windows speaks volumes about my skill.
Just sayin'.
Wasn't trying to knock anyone. I was just saying that it doesn't take a hacker or any kind of hacks to make a browser refresh a certain page (in this case, the bitchslapping page) ever hour or so. So I was just pointing out that anyone who knows basic HTML can make a "bot" type thing that bitchslaps every hour. If what you're saying about Zim is true, this type of thing is more plausable than someone spending hours straight clicking on the smite button on the hour.
Re: gandhi2
Of course it's cheating. I never said people "should" do it.
If you want something that works from the command line, you'll need software that can handle cookies or as you said, mimic them. After that, it's just calling the smite URL with whatever UID you want, timed to once per hour. FWIW, it's not that useful to do it to more than one or two people, because you can only smite once per hour.
Hint: wget supports cookies via the "--load-cookies" directive. Since I'm bored, maybe I'll get to work on that now. You don't even have to do anything special, you can use the cookies that your current browser is using. Or if you want a really cross platform thing, you can create a cookie for wget to use by just looking at the cookie FTLBBS sets and passing it with the "--header" directive.
//edit
Done. One liner:
wget --load-cookies "full/path/to/cookies/file/for/your/browser.txt" "http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=applaud/smite;uid=XYZ"
Important notes:
1) Your cookies file must be in a wget-recognizable format. If you use Firefox, it is. Not sure about others.
2) The URL MUST be in quotes. Otherwise the ";" thingies fuck everything up, your shell thinks it's the end of the command when in reality it's part of the URL. So quote it, or at least escape the ; characters with a slash.
3) XYZ must be changed to a UID, likewise, "applaud/smite" must be changed to one or the other.
Set it up as a cron job. If you want, you can manually set the cookies via --header. To do this, look at your cookies and set the proper CFTOKEN and CFID and FTLBBS variables. As I'm not familiar with the SMF software running this board, I'm not sure which of those values means what. I'm guessing the FTLBBS is some sort of unique hash, possibly based on your password. The others I'm not sure. CFID might be an internal ID used for each user, or possibly each session. If you can figure that stuff out, you can avoid having to use your browser's cookie file, although I'm sure that those values are unique for each user,
-
Wasn't trying to knock anyone.
I know you weren't. None taken.
Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself. Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are."
The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click. If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot". The tools you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to. Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason. Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox? Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ? Removing lines from other members posts? Banning a user entirely?
-
Okay. I'm actually gonna look into that 'cause it'll be helpful at work. I've been pushing those tools to send me for training, but they're only interested in sending the old timers who dont know how to re-boot.
The stuff I've briefly looked into, and what I'm actually interested in is getting off windows. Never really got farther than technobabble that assumes you have a complete understanding. I want the introductory stuff. So, it looks like a big pain in the ass and [ X ] goes the window.
Yes. It is. Which is why I still use Windows, even though I know a lot more about UNIX than I do about Windows. Windows is superior as a consumer operating system. Why all the hatred for it? Programmers are a dime a dozen these days. If someone wanted to, they could back-engineer the shit out of it and sell something just outside the patent limits for $25 bucks. Linux is free and it still doesn't have market share even in the corporate world, where there are professionals to take care of your desktop or laptop when it goes haywire. OSX, on the other hand, has a lot of potential. It has something for both the technically inclined and people who don't give a shit as long as they can use it. But to those people, it's not much different than windows. Perhaps making it available on cheaper x86 systems will make it more popular.
Sorry I don't want to start another OS war, but I get tired of people bashing Windows, while at the same time arguing that nothing else is as good???
-
If you want something that works from the command line, you'll need software that can handle cookies or as you said, mimic them. After that, it's just calling the smite URL with whatever UID you want, timed to once per hour. FWIW, it's not that useful to do it to more than one or two people, because you can only smite once per hour.
Hint: wget supports cookies via the "--load-cookies" directive. Since I'm bored, maybe I'll get to work on that now. You don't even have to do anything special, you can use the cookies that your current browser is using. Or if you want a really cross platform thing, you can create a cookie for wget to use by just looking at the cookie FTLBBS sets and passing it with the "--header" directive.
I think you can smite more than once per hour, just not to the same person.
wget can support cookies, but IIRC, the issue is that you'd have to not only store the login cookie, but the session id cookie as well. There are two cookies when logged in, one is for login, the other is to maintain the session so that you can stay logged in. There is also a redirect, from your login page to the karma modify php page, so when you try to do a karma modify, it appears that you are attempting to modify your own karma, which gives an error. I'll have to give it another test.
Must be an unpopular subject. Either people are upset by the discussion, or somebody is employing it against me! ;)
-
Done. One liner:
Quote
wget --load-cookies "full/path/to/cookies/file/for/your/browser.txt" "http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=applaud/smite;uid=XYZ"
Important notes:
1) Your cookies file must be in a wget-recognizable format. If you use Firefox, it is. Not sure about others.
2) The URL MUST be in quotes. Otherwise the ";" thingies fuck everything up, your shell thinks it's the end of the command when in reality it's part of the URL. So quote it, or at least escape the ; characters with a slash.
3) XYZ must be changed to a UID, likewise, "applaud/smite" must be changed to one or the other.
Set it up as a cron job. If you want, you can manually set the cookies via --header. To do this, look at your cookies and set the proper CFTOKEN and CFID and FTLBBS variables. As I'm not familiar with the SMF software running this board, I'm not sure which of those values means what. I'm guessing the FTLBBS is some sort of unique hash, possibly based on your password. The others I'm not sure. CFID might be an internal ID used for each user, or possibly each session. If you can figure that stuff out, you can avoid having to use your browser's cookie file, although I'm sure that those values are unique for each user,
Nope, not quite so easy. Check the page you just downloaded...it's an error which states you can't modify your own karma.
-
Wasn't trying to knock anyone.
I know you weren't. None taken.
Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself. Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are."
The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click. If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot". The tools you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to. Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason. Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox? Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ? Removing lines from other members posts? Banning a user entirely?
Whoh whoh whoh. None of this stuff is hacking. I'm not breaking into anything, or reverse engineering something, or anything of that nature. In fact, nothing these scripts do is against the rules of the system, they all use the system calls (in this case, a URL) provided by the forum software.
My philosophy with computer systems is that if the host is not doing something to prevent this kind of thing, it's their issue. Otherwise, the system admins are leaving it up to blind faith that no one will abuse it.
Whether or not I post how to make such a bot doesn't change that the flaw is there. The admins have to attack the problem at the source: the faulty karma system. Until then, there will always be people who will exploit it. The only difference between before and now is that before, only a certain number of people knew of the flaw. Now everyone does.
I mean, would you rather that only I and a few others knew how to mess up karma? If so, I'll gladly delete it all and have people pay me to boost karma :twisted: But seriously though, whether or not 10 or 1000 people know of this flaw doesn't change that the flaw is there and needs to be corrected. My suggestions are requiring a referring url to be correct (this wouldn't block all of them), or not letting someone change a single person's karma more than one point in 24 hours (so you could, in theory, change 24 people's karma per day, but not one person 24 times).
Plus, I didn't post how to parse a list of UIDs and really make a bot to do this, which would take a lot more time to figure out the right regex.
-
Okay. I'm actually gonna look into that 'cause it'll be helpful at work. I've been pushing those tools to send me for training, but they're only interested in sending the old timers who dont know how to re-boot.
The stuff I've briefly looked into, and what I'm actually interested in is getting off windows. Never really got farther than technobabble that assumes you have a complete understanding. I want the introductory stuff. So, it looks like a big pain in the ass and [ X ] goes the window.
Yes. It is. Which is why I still use Windows, even though I know a lot more about UNIX than I do about Windows. Windows is superior as a consumer operating system. Why all the hatred for it? Programmers are a dime a dozen these days. If someone wanted to, they could back-engineer the shit out of it and sell something just outside the patent limits for $25 bucks. Linux is free and it still doesn't have market share even in the corporate world, where there are professionals to take care of your desktop or laptop when it goes haywire. OSX, on the other hand, has a lot of potential. It has something for both the technically inclined and people who don't give a shit as long as they can use it. But to those people, it's not much different than windows. Perhaps making it available on cheaper x86 systems will make it more popular.
Sorry I don't want to start another OS war, but I get tired of people bashing Windows, while at the same time arguing that nothing else is as good???
I'm just interested in trying it. I want to see what all the hoopla is about. For my needs, windows is fine. Every (most) consumer program works in it, plug and play for every product mass marketed like printers and cameras. I dont HATE windows, I'd just like to have a machine that runs on a different platform and see how it interfaces with my browsing habits. As I've previously stated, I'm not bouncing lasers off the moon or doing greenscreen work for George Lucas, so its really only curiosity, not need.
-
Done. One liner:
Quote
wget --load-cookies "full/path/to/cookies/file/for/your/browser.txt" "http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=modifykarma;sa=applaud/smite;uid=XYZ"
Important notes:
1) Your cookies file must be in a wget-recognizable format. If you use Firefox, it is. Not sure about others.
2) The URL MUST be in quotes. Otherwise the ";" thingies fuck everything up, your shell thinks it's the end of the command when in reality it's part of the URL. So quote it, or at least escape the ; characters with a slash.
3) XYZ must be changed to a UID, likewise, "applaud/smite" must be changed to one or the other.
Set it up as a cron job. If you want, you can manually set the cookies via --header. To do this, look at your cookies and set the proper CFTOKEN and CFID and FTLBBS variables. As I'm not familiar with the SMF software running this board, I'm not sure which of those values means what. I'm guessing the FTLBBS is some sort of unique hash, possibly based on your password. The others I'm not sure. CFID might be an internal ID used for each user, or possibly each session. If you can figure that stuff out, you can avoid having to use your browser's cookie file, although I'm sure that those values are unique for each user,
Nope, not quite so easy. Check the page you just downloaded...it's an error which states you can't modify your own karma.
Dude, I already tested it before I posted. I used it to boost your karma by 1. Let me double check though, it's possible it was a fluke.
You have to have the URL in a quote. It won't work otherwise. I had that same error while testing it because I didn't use quotes and it chopped off everything past "modifykarma;" because of that ";" You *MUST* quote it or use the "\" character to disallow your shell from interpreting the ";" as the end of the command.
-
I'm just interested in trying it. I want to see what all the hoopla is about. For my needs, windows is fine. Every (most) consumer program works in it, plug and play for every product mass marketed like printers and cameras. I dont HATE windows, I'd just like to have a machine that runs on a different platform and see how it interfaces with my browsing habits. As I've previously stated, I'm not bouncing lasers off the moon or doing greenscreen work for George Lucas, so its really only curiosity, not need.
You can buy computers with Linux already installed. Just the first site I found.
http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=2&gclid=CJKEiJWThIoCFSUySAodyXLPMg
And I don't need to mention OSX (you know, from Apple).
-
If you want something that works from the command line, you'll need software that can handle cookies or as you said, mimic them. After that, it's just calling the smite URL with whatever UID you want, timed to once per hour. FWIW, it's not that useful to do it to more than one or two people, because you can only smite once per hour.
Hint: wget supports cookies via the "--load-cookies" directive. Since I'm bored, maybe I'll get to work on that now. You don't even have to do anything special, you can use the cookies that your current browser is using. Or if you want a really cross platform thing, you can create a cookie for wget to use by just looking at the cookie FTLBBS sets and passing it with the "--header" directive.
I think you can smite more than once per hour, just not to the same person.
wget can support cookies, but IIRC, the issue is that you'd have to not only store the login cookie, but the session id cookie as well. There are two cookies when logged in, one is for login, the other is to maintain the session so that you can stay logged in. There is also a redirect, from your login page to the karma modify php page, so when you try to do a karma modify, it appears that you are attempting to modify your own karma, which gives an error. I'll have to give it another test.
Must be an unpopular subject. Either people are upset by the discussion, or somebody is employing it against me! ;)
Can you? Well I believe you, I just don't use the Karma system much at all so I'm not really familiar with all it's limitations.
-
You have to have the URL in a quote. It won't work otherwise. I had that same error while testing it because I didn't use quotes and it chopped off everything past "modifykarma;" because of that ";" You *MUST* quote it or use the "\" character to disallow your shell from interpreting the ";" as the end of the command.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. The shell will stop parsing after the semicolon, and the PHP assumes your own UID. Got it.
-
Wasn't trying to knock anyone.
I know you weren't. None taken.
Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself. Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are."
The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click. If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot". The tools you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to. Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason. Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox? Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ? Removing lines from other members posts? Banning a user entirely?
Whoh whoh whoh. None of this stuff is hacking. I'm not breaking into anything, or reverse engineering something, or anything of that nature. In fact, nothing these scripts do is against the rules of the system, they all use the system calls (in this case, a URL) provided by the forum software.
Semantics. The system is designed for humans to use, not progs. If you can exploit one feature, you can exploit another. The definition you laid out says if the designers havent done anything to prevent it, it can be done with no moral questioning. That means if there is a loophole ANYWHERE you can use it, for any reason. The fault of the loophole is the programmers, and until its closed you can do whatever it is that your unfettered access through that loophole allows.
-
Wasn't trying to knock anyone.
I know you weren't. None taken.
Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself. Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are."
The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click. If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot". The tools you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to. Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason. Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox? Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ? Removing lines from other members posts? Banning a user entirely?
Whoh whoh whoh. None of this stuff is hacking. I'm not breaking into anything, or reverse engineering something, or anything of that nature. In fact, nothing these scripts do is against the rules of the system, they all use the system calls (in this case, a URL) provided by the forum software.
Semantics. The system is designed for humans to use, not progs. If you can exploit one feature, you can exploit another. The definition you laid out says if the designers havent done anything to prevent it, it can be done with no moral questioning. That means if there is a loophole ANYWHERE you can use it, for any reason. The fault of the loophole is the programmers, and until its closed you can do whatever it is that your unfettered access through that loophole allows.
But the script doesn't access anything that a human can't. It doesn't use math to brute force something, or anything. Someone *could* sit at their computer and click the karma links all day if they wanted to. So now they have a computer do it for them.
I think of things from a system security standpoint because I'm a web designer. I know that when I make a system, I *have* to put in safeguards against computers mimicing people. It happens with *any* system. Even something as lame as a top site list is frequently victim of click fraud (when I designed said system, I had to put in all sorts of safeguards). My point is, making a flawed system and expecting people to use blind faith to not abuse it is stupid. There's *nothing* stopping some outsider (maybe a statist) from signing up, posting 30 posts, then running a bot and ruining all of our karma. While I don't really care much about karma, that concerns me more than someone publishing how to do it, because like it or not a lot of people already know. The karma system needs to be fixed or it's only a matter of time (and I'm pretty sure, based on some people's karma, that it already goes on) before the shit really hits the fan and someone with a few dozen bot computers at their disposal ruins everyone's karma. What I posted is only a secret to those who aren't actively searching for how to make a script; anyone with a little determination and some google-fu skills could have found the same things I wrote and used them.
Karma needs to be fixed, or it's going to continue to be abused, or further abused in the future. You can get upset at me if it makes you feel better, but I'm not the one running a system with a flaw, namely that you can bitchslap a lot of people in a short amount of time and there's no safeguard against it.
-
You can buy computers with Linux already installed. Just the first site I found.
http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=2&gclid=CJKEiJWThIoCFSUySAodyXLPMg
And I don't need to mention OSX (you know, from Apple).
I hear good things about Apple. I'm hesitant to get one 'cause it seems like you'd have to pay more attention to the products you buy, but I've also been told it can run in windows format to overcome this.
I started using PC's in '99 for fun, and not much more. Extremely basic stuff. Any other experience I had outside of basic windows was a system called QS2, which probably is AKA "Timmah types number here."
Now at my present job we're getting into deeper water, but it doesnt really matter to me 'cause we've got IT guys and an outside specialist who comes around when everything gets really fucked up. But it would be nice to participate in the convo's.
-
I agree with Brasky. It's a question of ethics more than anything else, though. At the core is: Is it morally OK to make an exploit known with the understanding that by doing so all person's can exploit it equally, or should you attempt to keep it secret, even though others may know about it? The hope is that the administrators will fix the exploit, but the publicity of the knowledge may prove detrimental to them, whether by exposing a security flaw, or by being prone to attack. I agree that it's the owner's responsibility to maintain security, but it's the responsibility of individuals who may know of flaws to act morally.
I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me. I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything. I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around. Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20. Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself. I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.
-
I agree with Brasky. It's a question of ethics more than anything else, though. At the core is: Is it morally OK to make an exploit known with the understanding that by doing so all person's can exploit it equally, or should you attempt to keep it secret, even though others may know about it? The hope is that the administrators will fix the exploit, but the publicity of the knowledge may prove detrimental to them, whether by exposing a security flaw, or by being prone to attack. I agree that it's the owner's responsibility to maintain security, but it's the responsibility of individuals who may know of flaws to act morally.
I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me. I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything. I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around. Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20. Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself. I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.
This is just me talking here, but if I actually did find a major security hole, I would *not* publish it, and instead go straight to the people who make the software. But from a technical standpoint, this isn't really a security hole. It's just a problem with the way the karma system is implemented, but isn't actually a security bug. It's up to the administration of the forum on how liberal or restrictive they want the karma system to be, and in this case, it's pretty liberal, which is what allows people to do things like spam karma.
-
I wonder who I piss off, because mine seems to go up and down pretty regularly.
-
I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me. I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything. I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around. Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20. Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself. I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.
Anonymity is the point, G. If you knew who was tapping your buttons all the time it would just be slap you, you slap me, I slap you, ad infinitum. With the anonymity of it now, it's just a slap or applaud, no one knows unless I say something about it, and then it's done. At least in theory. I don't BS.
I don't know about your karma, but you should keep in mind that all your posts are just hanging around out there for anyone meandering through the boards to run across and get pissy at. Someone could be slapping you around for a post(s) you made a month ago for all you know.
As demonstrated by this thread, some people are just fucking petty, man. But like you said, what goes around does comes around. If you act like a bitch, you get treated like a bitch.
-
Karma needs to be fixed, or it's going to continue to be abused, or further abused in the future. You can get upset at me if it makes you feel better, but I'm not the one running a system with a flaw, namely that you can bitchslap a lot of people in a short amount of time and there's no safeguard against it.
I'm not upset about anything. Depending on how you look at something, a flaw is not always a flaw. If someone is comfortable with being a douchebag, thats his problem. You cant hide secrets from yourself, its no different than people who advocate one thing in public and do the opposite in private. Hypocrites. If you look at the string of incidents surrounding this topic, the person in question OBJECTED to being singled out and bitchslapped for railing against the popular consensus, he made several people greatly annoyed and simply would not shut the fuck up in a thread.
So, he got smacked, hard. I wasnt involved at all, to be honest. So, then he goes on this crying jag about karma and how unfair it is. Well, he got nailed for being a turd and everyone who did it to him did it manually, presumably.
Its all just so stupid.
So, then the dam burst. I insulted his cartoons. So, he takes steps to single me out and use a device to do what a dozen people did to him. These are people who found his ranting untolerable and piled on the smacky-smacks. I didnt participate in that, and made a few comments against something he likes. BFD.
The obvious solution would have been for him to elevate himself by participating in other topics, make some friends and try to wrap his head around the larger theme here of personal responsibility. He is not an unintelligent man. Why he is here to discuss computers and cartoons, exclusively, I donno. In "Real Life" people who attempt to drag others into their little corners of personal hell are fuckups. They are the neighbors who dislike you for unexplained reasons and tell dirty little secrets about you behind your back, to lower the respect you've earned from your neighbors by amiable conversations over back yard fences and doing favors for each other like feeding their dog while they're away for the weekend.
...Fuck it, man. Anyone who can't look at it from a perspective of reason is a lost cause in my book. I guess morals is just another theoretical talking point and not a way to actually exist.
-
I wonder who I piss off, because mine seems to go up and down pretty regularly.
Me. 'Cause you wont show teh boobas.
-
Buy a plane ticket and offer cunnilingus. Maybe that will set them free.
-
That might work. We could meet at the Ballpaureen Inn.
-
I personally don't want to be in a motel where someone got murdered. I've seen the Ghost Hunters at the Stanley Hotel, and it was fucked up.
-
Fake.
-
Stephen King said it was real.
-
You got The Shinning.
-
Nope.