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If found guilty, what should be his fate?

Ostrasization by his peers, on a voluntary basis
- 3 (14.3%)
Bitchslapped into oblivion, beyond any point ever seen
- 3 (14.3%)
Both
- 3 (14.3%)
None
- 2 (9.5%)
Both plus assfucked with a thrashing barracuda
- 10 (47.6%)

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gandhi2

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #150 on: January 28, 2007, 05:27:42 PM »

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You have to have the URL in a quote.  It won't work otherwise.  I had that same error while testing it because I didn't use quotes and it chopped off everything past "modifykarma;" because of that ";"  You *MUST* quote it or use the "\" character to disallow your shell from interpreting the ";" as the end of the command.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Gotcha.  The shell will stop parsing after the semicolon, and the PHP assumes your own UID.  Got it.
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Bill Brasky

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2007, 05:30:05 PM »


Wasn't trying to knock anyone. 

I know you weren't.  None taken. 

Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself.  Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are." 

The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click.  If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot".  The tools  you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to.  Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason.  Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox?  Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ?  Removing lines from other members posts?  Banning a user entirely?   

Whoh whoh whoh.  None of this stuff is hacking.  I'm not breaking into anything, or reverse engineering something, or anything of that nature.  In fact, nothing these scripts do is against the rules of the system, they all use the system calls (in this case, a URL) provided by the forum software.


Semantics.  The system is designed for humans to use, not progs.  If you can exploit one feature, you can exploit another.  The definition you laid out says if the designers havent done anything to prevent it, it can be done with no moral questioning.  That means if there is a loophole ANYWHERE you can use it, for any reason.  The fault of the loophole is the programmers, and until its closed you can do whatever it is that your unfettered access through that loophole allows. 
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Johnny_

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2007, 05:38:48 PM »


Wasn't trying to knock anyone. 

I know you weren't.  None taken. 

Mainly just pointing out that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to start a discussion of this nature if I was doing it myself.  Which is pretty damn funny when you note the rebuttal of The Accused is "No, you are." 

The whole point of having it a button is to place your mouse on it and click.  If the BBS was designed to be used like that, they would have an option for you to tick a box next to someone elses name and click "activate bot".  The tools  you have here are commonly understood to be the things you have access to.  Mods and sysops have tools unavailable to you for a reason.  Would you also condone hacking your way into the mods toolbox?  Viewing PM's and ISP#'s ?  Removing lines from other members posts?  Banning a user entirely?   

Whoh whoh whoh.  None of this stuff is hacking.  I'm not breaking into anything, or reverse engineering something, or anything of that nature.  In fact, nothing these scripts do is against the rules of the system, they all use the system calls (in this case, a URL) provided by the forum software.


Semantics.  The system is designed for humans to use, not progs.  If you can exploit one feature, you can exploit another.  The definition you laid out says if the designers havent done anything to prevent it, it can be done with no moral questioning.  That means if there is a loophole ANYWHERE you can use it, for any reason.  The fault of the loophole is the programmers, and until its closed you can do whatever it is that your unfettered access through that loophole allows. 

But the script doesn't access anything that a human can't.  It doesn't use math to brute force something, or anything.  Someone *could* sit at their computer and click the karma links all day if they wanted to.  So now they have a computer do it for them. 

I think of things from a system security standpoint because I'm a web designer.  I know that when I make a system, I *have* to put in safeguards against computers mimicing people.  It happens with *any* system.  Even something as lame as a top site list is frequently victim of click fraud (when I designed said system, I had to put in all sorts of safeguards).  My point is, making a flawed system and expecting people to use blind faith to not abuse it is stupid.  There's *nothing* stopping some outsider (maybe a statist) from signing up, posting 30 posts, then running a bot and ruining all of our karma.  While I don't really care much about karma, that concerns me more than someone publishing how to do it, because like it or not a lot of people already know.  The karma system needs to be fixed or it's only a matter of time (and I'm pretty sure, based on some people's karma, that it already goes on) before the shit really hits the fan and someone with a few dozen bot computers at their disposal ruins everyone's karma.  What I posted is only a secret to those who aren't actively searching for how to make a script; anyone with a little determination and some google-fu skills could have found the same things I wrote and used them. 

Karma needs to be fixed, or it's going to continue to be abused, or further abused in the future. You can get upset at me if it makes you feel better, but I'm not the one running a system with a flaw, namely that you can bitchslap a lot of people in a short amount of time and there's no safeguard against it. 
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Bill Brasky

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2007, 05:40:49 PM »



You can buy computers with Linux already installed. Just the first site I found.

http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=2&gclid=CJKEiJWThIoCFSUySAodyXLPMg

And I don't need to mention OSX (you know, from Apple).

I hear good things about Apple.  I'm hesitant to get one 'cause it seems like you'd have to pay more attention to the products you buy, but I've also been told it can run in windows format to overcome this. 

I started using PC's in '99 for fun, and not much more.  Extremely basic stuff.  Any other experience I had outside of basic windows was a system called QS2, which probably is AKA "Timmah types number here." 

Now at my present job we're getting into deeper water, but it doesnt really matter to me 'cause we've got IT guys and an outside specialist who comes around when everything gets really fucked up.  But it would be nice to participate in the convo's. 
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gandhi2

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2007, 05:44:29 PM »

I agree with Brasky.  It's a question of ethics more than anything else, though.  At the core is: Is it morally OK to make an exploit known with the understanding that by doing so all person's can exploit it equally, or should you attempt to keep it secret, even though others may know about it?  The hope is that the administrators will fix the exploit, but the publicity of the knowledge may prove detrimental to them, whether by exposing a security flaw, or by being prone to attack.  I agree that it's the owner's responsibility to maintain security, but it's the responsibility of individuals who may know of flaws to act morally.

I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me.  I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything.  I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around.  Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20.  Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself.  I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.
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Johnny_

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2007, 05:50:16 PM »

I agree with Brasky.  It's a question of ethics more than anything else, though.  At the core is: Is it morally OK to make an exploit known with the understanding that by doing so all person's can exploit it equally, or should you attempt to keep it secret, even though others may know about it?  The hope is that the administrators will fix the exploit, but the publicity of the knowledge may prove detrimental to them, whether by exposing a security flaw, or by being prone to attack.  I agree that it's the owner's responsibility to maintain security, but it's the responsibility of individuals who may know of flaws to act morally.

I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me.  I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything.  I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around.  Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20.  Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself.  I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.

This is just me talking here, but if I actually did find a major security hole, I would *not* publish it, and instead go straight to the people who make the software.  But from a technical standpoint, this isn't really a security hole.  It's just a problem with the way the karma system is implemented, but isn't actually a security bug.  It's up to the administration of the forum on how liberal or restrictive they want the karma system to be, and in this case, it's pretty liberal, which is what allows people to do things like spam karma.
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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2007, 05:52:07 PM »

I wonder who I piss off, because mine seems to go up and down pretty regularly. 
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zebraflood

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2007, 05:59:20 PM »

I never really cared about karma too much until somebody started a vendetta against me.  I must have made SOMEBODY mad, because it keeps dropping even when I don't post much of anything.  I suppose that in true fashion of karma, what goes around comes around.  Even when BT was posting only once or twice every 3 days or so, I think I dropped his karma a good 20.  Only fair that I'd have to tough it out myself.  I'd only hope that I knew who had such a vendetta against me...it would be nice to see who applauds or slaps you...as it will affect how giving I would be with those people myself.

Anonymity is the point, G. If you knew who was tapping your buttons all the time it would just be slap you, you slap me, I slap you, ad infinitum. With the anonymity of it now, it's just a slap or applaud, no one knows unless I say something about it, and then it's done. At least in theory. I don't BS.

I don't know about your karma, but you should keep in mind that all your posts are just hanging around out there for anyone meandering through the boards to run across and get pissy at. Someone could be slapping you around for a post(s) you made a month ago for all you know.

As demonstrated by this thread, some people are just fucking petty, man. But like you said, what goes around does comes around. If you act like a bitch, you get treated like a bitch.
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Bill Brasky

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Re: The Trial Of Earthwormzim and his Bot of many bitchslaps
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2007, 06:25:08 PM »


Karma needs to be fixed, or it's going to continue to be abused, or further abused in the future. You can get upset at me if it makes you feel better, but I'm not the one running a system with a flaw, namely that you can bitchslap a lot of people in a short amount of time and there's no safeguard against it. 

I'm not upset about anything.  Depending on how you look at something, a flaw is not always a flaw.  If someone is comfortable with being a douchebag, thats his problem.  You cant hide secrets from yourself, its no different than people who advocate one thing in public and do the opposite in private.  Hypocrites.  If you look at the string of incidents surrounding this topic, the person in question OBJECTED to being singled out and bitchslapped for railing against the popular consensus, he made several people greatly annoyed and simply would not shut the fuck up in a thread.

So, he got smacked, hard.  I wasnt involved at all, to be honest.  So, then he goes on this crying jag about karma and how unfair it is.  Well, he got nailed for being a turd and everyone who did it to him did it manually, presumably. 

Its all just so stupid. 

So, then the dam burst.  I insulted his cartoons.  So, he takes steps to single me out and use a device to do what a dozen people did to him.  These are people who found his ranting untolerable and piled on the smacky-smacks.  I didnt participate in that, and made a few comments against something he likes.  BFD. 

The obvious solution would have been for him to elevate himself by participating in other topics, make some friends and try to wrap his head around the larger theme here of personal responsibility.  He is not an unintelligent man.  Why he is here to discuss computers and cartoons, exclusively, I donno.  In "Real Life" people who attempt to drag others into their little corners of personal hell are fuckups.  They are the neighbors who dislike you for unexplained reasons and tell dirty little secrets about you behind your back, to lower the respect you've earned from your neighbors by amiable conversations over back yard fences and doing favors for each other like feeding their dog while they're away for the weekend. 

...Fuck it, man.  Anyone who can't look at it from a perspective of reason is a lost cause in my book.  I guess morals is just another theoretical talking point and not a way to actually exist. 
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Bill Brasky

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« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2007, 06:27:27 PM »

I wonder who I piss off, because mine seems to go up and down pretty regularly. 

Me.  'Cause you wont show teh boobas. 
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bonerjoe

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« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2007, 06:58:29 PM »

Buy a plane ticket and offer cunnilingus. Maybe that will set them free.
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Bill Brasky

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« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2007, 08:09:00 PM »

That might work.  We could meet at the Ballpaureen Inn. 
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Taors

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« Reply #162 on: January 28, 2007, 08:11:43 PM »

I personally don't want to be in a motel where someone got murdered. I've seen the Ghost Hunters at the Stanley Hotel, and it was fucked up.
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bonerjoe

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« Reply #163 on: January 28, 2007, 08:41:45 PM »

Fake.
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Taors

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« Reply #164 on: January 28, 2007, 09:02:08 PM »

Stephen King said it was real.
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