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Title: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 06, 2008, 09:58:05 AM
I mean, they're just parasites, right? If they don't have anyone to take care of them, the State and therefore the taxpayers have to. If we just eliminated them, we would save a lot of money and decrease the population (always a good thing). It doesn't even have to be the State. Private organizations could round them up and liquidate them for a small fee. It'd be like people in Vietnam and Korea selling their daughters for extra cash...except now you're selling your retarded children to get rid of them.

Who's with me?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
I like them cus they are happy.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Alex Libman on June 06, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
I do hold some eugenic views, but I don't take them that far.  It's a lot better to reduce the numbers of "useless feeders" by preventing them from being born in the first place, which would attend to itself given legalized abortion and proper market incentives (see also "Libertarian Sexual Morality (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=21387)" thread).  Every child that is at least 50% human (in the scenario of human/animal hybrids) should get the "Right to Life" from the point of physical autonomy (i.e. birth), but the Rights to Liberty or Property must, for obvious reasons, wait until s\he can be expected to act rationally.

I've written extensively in the past about the emancipation of minors to change the concept of "minimum age" laws (and facilitate adoption of children from unfit parents), but I still envisioned everyone getting automatically emancipated at a certain age (ex 18).  Perhaps some kind of a legal mechanism could be used to temporarily or permanently challenge automatic emancipation on the grounds of mental incapacity, in which case the parents or guardians of the child would be able to keep guardianship status indefinitely, or pass it to someone else.

Some organizations (for profit or not) might have certain requirements in exchange for accepting guardianship of that person, such as the right to encourage work (in exchange for rewards or avoidance of punishments).  Such organizations can in theory be cruel, but since they're privately funded they have to earn their donations and the trust of the parents / guardians, and that market would self-regulate.

So in a purely capitalist system, "retards" would be very valuable members of the community, taking on jobs that most people would not (and robots would be unfit for).  A retard would make a great sparring partner for martial arts, for example.  Rich people can hire them to dress up in funny costumes and entertain their guests by falling from high places.  And then there's the lucrative market for "cruelty free" cosmetics that, in keeping with their label, are not tested on animals.  Etc.  The possibilities are endless!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: sillyperson on June 06, 2008, 04:18:07 PM
Every child that is at least 50% human
It's speciesists like you that make my blood boil.

So.... a hot 51% bonobo/ 49% homosapien chick with insatiable sex drive and giant boobies can be killed, just like that, just cause the bimbo ain't so bright?

Fuck you, man.

Time to start a revolution!
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Alex Libman on June 06, 2008, 05:03:49 PM
I opened up a can of worms with that offside remark...

OK, fine, if even one base pair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_pair) in your DNA looks human, then you're human!

(And if even one bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit) on your hard drive looks like child porn, it's child porn!)

Who can say you need X base pairs?  How dare you discriminate against entities with X-1 base pairs?!

Don't you dare throw away your shower curtain!  There are trillions of tiny single-celled humans living on it!  :roll:

Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 06, 2008, 05:53:08 PM
Every child that is at least 50% human
It's speciesists like you that make my blood boil.

So.... a hot 51% bonobo/ 49% homosapien chick with insatiable sex drive and giant boobies can be killed, just like that, just cause the bimbo ain't so bright?

Fuck you, man.

Time to start a revolution!


Mmm, chimpanions, humanzees, and bimbonobos.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Elitist Bitch on June 06, 2008, 07:09:25 PM
Adolf HItler favored killing mentally challenged people too. It isn't right because they are people too. And besides, who gets to make the determination that a person is mentally challenged?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 06, 2008, 07:24:11 PM
And besides, who gets to make the determination that a person is mentally challenged?

If they want to lock me up for having sex in public, then they fail.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: hellbilly on June 06, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
"Parasites" - maybe. But harmless ones. Wouldn't teh world be a finer place if we simply chose to "off" the harmful parasites instead?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 06, 2008, 10:21:01 PM
And besides, who gets to make the determination that a person is mentally challenged?

DSM IV-TR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_Codes

I wouldn't trust anything the APA says. Tyranny by scientists.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Hologene Relapse on June 07, 2008, 02:21:17 AM
And besides, who gets to make the determination that a person is mentally challenged?

DSM IV-TR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_Codes

I wouldn't trust anything the APA says. Tyranny by scientists.

By quacks you mean. Oddly, that's what my psychology professor considered the APA most of the time. Then again he's biased toward experimental psychology and the like.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Santiago Johimbe on June 07, 2008, 03:57:55 AM
"Parasites" - maybe. But harmless ones. Wouldn't teh world be a finer place if we simply chose to "off" the harmful parasites instead?

Yeah. Why bother mentalbating over the mentally underequipped when politicians still draw breath?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 07, 2008, 04:01:55 AM
"Parasites" - maybe. But harmless ones. Wouldn't teh world be a finer place if we simply chose to "off" the harmful parasites instead?

Yeah. Why bother mentalbating over the mentally underequipped when politicians still draw breath?


They shall be removed with time.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Elitist Bitch on June 07, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
Remember, the DSM in the past considered homosexuality a mental disorder.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: DogCow on June 07, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
No one can honestly say that our society should execute the retarded.  As Martin Niemöller said "   

 "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."


Anyone who has posted that we murder the handicapped is simply trying to stir the pot here.  Oh... I guess I took the bait took.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 08, 2008, 02:36:39 AM
No one can honestly say that our society should execute the retarded.  As Martin Niemöller said "   

 "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."


Anyone who has posted that we murder the handicapped is simply trying to stir the pot here.  Oh... I guess I took the bait took.

Yeah, I suppose you did.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: mikehz on June 09, 2008, 09:59:46 PM
I'd imagine that liberals would agree that if over half of the voters favor it, then the mentally handicapped are toast. At least, the liberals I've talked to think that it's perfectly okay to take away other rights (such as property rights) if over half the voters decide to do so.

For myself, I accept human rights; that is, the right of every person to be secure in their life, liberty, and property so long as they do not violate the equal rights of others. Unless a mentally handicapped person represents an actual threat to others, they have a right to exist. However, that does not mean anyone is obligated to support that person. If no one undertakes his or her care, then the person may starve.

I'm of the opinion that we as individuals have a moral--but not legal--responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. But, charity is not the work of government.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: AntonLee on June 18, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
over the weekend I took a boat tour of Cumberland Island, Georgia.  A long island owned partly by the Carnegies, which has wild horses on it.  Lots of horses, short life spans from eating "salt grass", lots of inbreeding.

Watching the horses gallop around, we came upon one on the shore. . . a retarded horse.  The tour guide said that this horse has been on the beach for 3 or 4 days, and that it was barely alive.  It sat by itself on the beach, and it would be there until it died.  No one removed the horse from the fields. . . the horse wandered away slowly over time when the others moved on.  Survival of the fittest.

It's sad, what I would have given to put the horse out of its misery.  People of course, you can't just kill or remove from society by force.  I would most generously give to charities that worked to take care of the retarded and mentally handicapped.  I believe that all life is precious, even that of a retarded person.  That being said, I would never ever ever use force to make another person pay against their will to these types of organizations.  I would most likely lobby my neighbors to do so.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: thomasjack on June 19, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
I was about to say that I will respect the property rights of any being which can communicate to me that it has those rights.

But now I'm confused.

If a 75/25% human/chimp tells me "me has property rights", it's certainly communicating to me that it has property rights, right? If a 75/25% chimp/human thing has a banana and when I try to take it, it hollers and beats me up, is it communicating to me the fact that it has property rights? What about, if I try to kill a pig and it runs away from me, is it communicating to me that it has a right to life?

Where's the dividing line? Is there a better criteria for which beings should be given property rights?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: sillyperson on June 19, 2008, 07:30:13 PM
if I try to kill a pig and it runs away from me, is it communicating to me that it has a right to life?

Bingo.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Shara on June 19, 2008, 07:36:02 PM
What about just sterilizing the mentally feeble?

That's humane, AND good for humanity in general.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 19, 2008, 07:53:14 PM
What about just sterilizing the mentally feeble?

That's humane, AND good for humanity in general.


Heil Elistler!
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Shara on June 19, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
What about just sterilizing the mentally feeble?

That's humane, AND good for humanity in general.


Heil Elistler!

Lol... I just about shit myself...
Lol!
Wow!
Hahaha..
I like it... All bow to the Elisteler!!!!! Bwahahahaha
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 19, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
What about just sterilizing the mentally feeble?

That's humane, AND good for humanity in general.


Eugenics sucks.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Puke on June 19, 2008, 08:34:37 PM
If gov't killed off all the tards then who would I talk to on this BBS?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Zat on June 19, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
What about just sterilizing the mentally feeble?

That's humane, AND good for humanity in general.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0220107/plotsummary
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 19, 2008, 08:46:41 PM
If gov't killed off all the tards then who would I talk to on this BBS?

Nobody, since you'd be dead.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 19, 2008, 10:02:37 PM
So 7 people are cruel, heartless, fascist bastards on this BBS. I knew we had a few but not that many.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: hellbilly on June 20, 2008, 10:03:46 PM
If gov't killed off all the tards then who would I talk to on this BBS?

lol
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 20, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
I'm listening to an episode of FTL right now...and Dave from Athens just called in. Would he be put to death in this scenario? :lol:
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Beef Supreme on June 25, 2008, 11:08:25 PM
What the fuck happened to Free Talk Live and these boards.

22% of you actually said yes this question?   
Is this still a Libertarian BBS & broadcast, or did it suddenly turn into a Nazi/Fascist radio show while I was absent.

No wonder I quit amping & stopped listening to the show.   
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: YixilTesiphon on June 25, 2008, 11:24:27 PM
What the fuck happened to Free Talk Live and these boards.

22% of you actually said yes this question?   
Is this still a Libertarian BBS & broadcast, or did it suddenly turn into a Nazi/Fascist radio show while I was absent.

No wonder I quit amping & stopped listening to the show.   

I have no idea who the hell would have voted that way, if it helps. And I'm damn sure Mark and Ian wouldn't. If anything they've been getting more radical.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 25, 2008, 11:25:56 PM
What the fuck happened to Free Talk Live and these boards.

22% of you actually said yes this question?   
Is this still a Libertarian BBS & broadcast, or did it suddenly turn into a Nazi/Fascist radio show while I was absent.

No wonder I quit amping & stopped listening to the show.   

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9163/worldssmallestviolingb4.jpg)
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: smitty on June 26, 2008, 12:46:46 AM
What the fuck happened to Free Talk Live and these boards.

22% of you actually said yes this question?   
Is this still a Libertarian BBS & broadcast, or did it suddenly turn into a Nazi/Fascist radio show while I was absent.

No wonder I quit amping & stopped listening to the show.   

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9163/worldssmallestviolingb4.jpg)

No, he's right. 22%. Yeah it's cool to seem sarcastic and shocking on a message board, but 22 percent, why?
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 26, 2008, 12:51:08 AM
I voted 7 times.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 26, 2008, 01:38:45 AM
What the fuck happened to Free Talk Live and these boards.

22% of you actually said yes this question?   
Is this still a Libertarian BBS & broadcast, or did it suddenly turn into a Nazi/Fascist radio show while I was absent.

No wonder I quit amping & stopped listening to the show.   

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9163/worldssmallestviolingb4.jpg)

No, he's right. 22%. Yeah it's cool to seem sarcastic and shocking on a message board, but 22 percent, why?

Quote
Question: Should mentally challenged folk be removed from society by the State (or a private organization)?

Half of the people on this BBS would slay their parents if it involved a private organization instead of the State, simply because it would be a private organization.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: thomasjack on June 26, 2008, 01:59:47 AM
Half of the people on this BBS would slay their parents if it involved a private organization instead of the State, simply because it would be a private organization.

There are plenty of private organizations which will commit murder for the right price. Have the parents of half the people on this BBS been died suspiciously?

[edit] I think I misunderstood you.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: trollfreezone on June 26, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
An important aspect of this question (one which was probably not intended) is that mental health has been used by oppressive societies as an excuse to mistreat people.  For that reason, it seems unwise to make any generalizations based on fitness of mind.  I suppose in a free society, the "harmless" would be "rounded up" and taken care of by charities.  However, the clearly insane (say, criminally insane) may need to demonstrate their capacity for harming others before anything could be done about them, and the question of what to do would be vexing.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: theodorelogan on June 26, 2008, 02:34:37 PM
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Half of the people on this BBS would slay their parents if it involved a private organization instead of the State, simply because it would be a private organization.

That's an interesting made up statistic.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 26, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
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Half of the people on this BBS would slay their parents if it involved a private organization instead of the State, simply because it would be a private organization.

That's an interesting made up statistic.

Thank you. My point still stands.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: theodorelogan on June 26, 2008, 02:42:27 PM
Interesting /= true

Made up = the point does not stand.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: trollfreezone on June 26, 2008, 03:59:09 PM
79% of all statistics cited are made up, misrepresented, or inaccurate.

Including this one.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 26, 2008, 09:56:29 PM
Interesting /= true

Made up = the point does not stand.

Then you must not have understood the point.

Run along, young one.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: John Shaw on June 27, 2008, 12:06:19 PM
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Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: BonerJoe on June 27, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
^ Thread over.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Taors on June 27, 2008, 03:08:18 PM
(http://shackpics.com/files/sadhappyboom_7n95lmiquajrzjlt1yyc.gif)

Nuke 'em all. Good idea.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: Kevin Freeheart on July 06, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
I am not God. I do not have the capacity to see through time and I did not lay out a design for the universe.

Sickle Cell Anemia is fatal, but it also has a benefit in that sickle cell carriers are immune to malaria. My friend's son has Aspergers and while he can't speak well, the kid is an electronics guru. His brain functions just fine, it happens to function differently than mine. He's sentient (which is my criteria for the life, liberty, property thing) and therefore killing him would be immoral.

If being a retard (in whatever form, for the sake of this thread) is a negative trait, it will extinct itself. I support no action against the retarded, and not artificial actions to support them.
Title: Re: Should retards be put to death?
Post by: darcgun on July 11, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
I mean, they're just parasites, right? If they don't have anyone to take care of them, the State and therefore the taxpayers have to. If we just eliminated them, we would save a lot of money and decrease the population (always a good thing). It doesn't even have to be the State. Private organizations could round them up and liquidate them for a small fee. It'd be like people in Vietnam and Korea selling their daughters for extra cash...except now you're selling your retarded children to get rid of them.

Who's with me?

Some people deserve to be harassed anyhow.