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Is sadness rational?

Yes.
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No.
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Sometimes.
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Sadness and Grief
« on: April 03, 2007, 12:36:56 PM »

I want to know your opinion.
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 12:53:55 PM »

I could see clinical depression as being sometimes irrational.  You know, when you're sad and anxious all the time, even when there's no explainable reason for it.  But generally, if you have a reason to be sad it's a rational behavior and/or feeling. 
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 01:01:58 PM »

if you have a reason to be sad it's a rational behavior and/or feeling. 

How does being sad help?
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 01:05:55 PM »

if you have a reason to be sad it's a rational behavior and/or feeling. 

How does being sad help?

It's a natural reaction.  Are you telling me that when I came home and found out my father was dead, that my sadness was wrong? 
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 01:15:16 PM »

It creates empathy with others and gains support and charity to aid in solving said problem.

Why can't one communicate to achieve this?

Are you telling me that when I came home and found out my father was dead, that my sadness was wrong? 

In that is does not accomplish anything.
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 01:29:26 PM »

As that would be sympathy

Exactly how are you distinguishing them?

emotional bonds are more powerful than mental bonds.

What makes you believe that?

Humans are emotional creatures after all.

Oh, I thought we were rational creatures.
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 03:37:52 PM »

Sympathy is a general understanding, empathy is deep personal attachment.

Why are you defining these terms this way?

what's the more effective motivator; Fear or the rational decision that it would be beneficial not to die.

I think it depends. Initially it might be fear, but if one realizes that the fear is irrational, it would not be a more effective motivator.

Oh, I thought we were rational creatures.
Not naturally

Then how does it come about initially?

have you ever seen a child act rationally?

If using reason to solve goals is acting rationally, then yes, I think they do so on their own.

We are taught rationality, we survive by instinct.

I don't think I could disagree more.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 03:52:55 PM »

Since sadness is an emotion, isn't it, by definition, irrational?  Or, are they wholly separate?
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 04:03:50 PM »

Since sadness is an emotion, isn't it, by definition, irrational?

You're right, but my question is what the benefit of sadness is.
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 04:04:00 PM »

It can be rational, or irrational, depending on the circumstances. If a loved one dies, it's reasonable to be saddened by the event. But, I read today about a couple that committed suicide due to depression because their dog died.

Over-emotion, or inappropriate emotion can be due to a brain chemical imbalance.
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2007, 04:08:56 PM »

If a loved one dies, it's reasonable to be saddened by the event.

What does being sad accomplish? The person is still dead.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2007, 09:39:33 PM »

Curiosity is any natural inquisitive behaviour, evident by observation in many animal species, and is the emotional aspect of living beings that engenders exploration, investigation, and learning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity


I win, you lose.  Your irrational interest in other peoples actions (creating these polls) shows you to be inquisitive, and thus proves emotional motivation. 
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2007, 11:40:02 PM »

Curiosity is any natural inquisitive behaviour, evident by observation in many animal species, and is the emotional aspect of living beings that engenders exploration, investigation, and learning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity


I win, you lose.  Your irrational interest in other peoples actions (creating these polls) shows you to be inquisitive, and thus proves emotional motivation. 


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What does being sad accomplish? The person is still dead.

Making you ask stupid fucking questions. 
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Re: Sadness and Grief
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2007, 11:47:14 PM »

What's the point of this thread? Why does it matter if emotions are rational or not?
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2007, 11:48:49 PM »

What's the point of this thread? Why does it matter if emotions are rational or not?

Obviously those of us with emotions are inferior.  :roll:  You make an excellent point, by the way. 
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