Politics vs Antipolitics

I believe politics and antipolitical methods are both viable.

16 (64%)

I believe politics is viable, and antipolitics is not.

1 (4%)

I believe antipolitics is viable, and politics is not.

5 (20%)

Other

3 (12%)

Total Members Voted: 15

[MobileDigit]

I am working on the problems of Agorist theory, and how Ukagnostism and convincing people on a one on one basis is superior and achievable.

http://AdvanceTheArgument.com/ - Always being updated.

What in the universe makes you think agorism excludes convincing people on a one-on-one basis?

That's not what I think. I think Agorism has problems that Ukagnosticism acknowledges and refutes. I will work on my argument today. I hope I will be able to convince you to abandon Agorism in favor of my better theory, which incorporates all of the good in Agorism, and rejects all of the bad.

Doesn't that seem reasonable?

But you ARE a dolphin fucker.

What's wrong with dolphin fucking?

And no, I haven't confessed to having sex with dolphins yet.

I don't think anyone should be appalled when you do so.

[Porcupine_in_MA]

As long as its between two consenting parties 

[jimmed]

I don't think anyone should be appalled when you do so.

They shouldn't jail him. Animals are property.  I don't know about people not being legitimately disgusted.

[Andy]

Other.

I don't think either are particularly viable in terms of changing the world. (for more liberty)

As far far as changing your life for the better anti-politics/black market stuff might work, it really depends how risk averse you are and what your skills and abilities are.

Politics would obviously only have a negative effect on you personally, even if you win the freedom you can achieve won't be worth the effort so you'll still lose. (unless you're corrupt.

[MobileDigit]

As long as its between two consenting parties 

Dolphins have no problem consenting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphins

I don't think anyone should be appalled when you do so.

They shouldn't jail him. Animals are property.  I don't know about people not being legitimately disgusted.

Animals are just part of humanity's family. They generally do not have the ability to communicate with humans, and that is why they can legitimately be owned. Just like a lion can amorally eat a zebra, a human can amorally keep a lion.

Why should people be disgusted with love?

Other.
I believe politics is viable damage control and antipolitics is a viable solution.

Absolutely.

I don't think either are particularly viable in terms of changing the world. (for more liberty)

I don't think that statement has any basis in reality.

As far far as changing your life for the better anti-politics/black market stuff might work, it really depends how risk averse you are and what your skills and abilities are.

It is much simpler than that. Really all you have to do is want liberty now, and be willing to help other liberty activists by putting down your own money on it.

Yesterday I told my friend Bubba, a homeless man, that I would provide him with money if he would spread the message of liberty. He agreed.

Send me money: http://AdvanceTheArgument.com/

Politics would obviously only have a negative effect on you personally, even if you win the freedom you can achieve won't be worth the effort so you'll still lose. (unless you're corrupt.

I don't think it is even necessary. Remember Rothbard talking about the rebellions convincing the Soviet tanks to fight for them? We can do this on a one on one basis with cops. You must convince them they, you, and society would be better off if they did not aggress against you. It is definitely possible. Do not resist, this is going to happen because of the interweb, and there is nothing you can do to stop human enlightenment.

[Zhwazi]

there is nothing you can do to stop human enlightenment.

I wish that were true. But encouraging poor thinking skills and ignorance certainly does stop human enlightenment.

[MobileDigit]

there is nothing you can do to stop human enlightenment.

I wish that were true. But encouraging poor thinking skills and ignorance certainly does stop human enlightenment.

Ultimately, no it won't.

Post that in the form of a question, I will elaborate on FTL.

[TheHave]

It seems too idealistic to me to think that we can seriously accomplish much in any appealing time frame without participating in politics. I think it's good for people to drop out and refuse to participate because they can live more freely and they lend seriousness and viability to external opinion of libertarian ideas, but there are only so many people that can really be reached that way.

Even if your ultimate goal is the elimination of government altogether (which is unrealistic, in my opinion), you'll get there faster (nonviolently, anyway) if you change the structure from the inside.

*cracks knuckles* who's first?

[sillyperson]

working at more and more local levels of government will result in failure in the significant races and no results in the winnable races

Then, how do you explain this?

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[jimmed]

And what has he done to make NH freer?

[sillyperson]

And what has he done to make NH freer?

Among others, there's this:

http://generalcourt.org/bills/2007/hb685
AN ACT prohibiting New Hampshire from participating in a national identification card system

[jimmed]

And what has he done to make NH freer?

Among others, there's this:

http://generalcourt.org/bills/2007/hb685
AN ACT prohibiting New Hampshire from participating in a national identification card system

I said what has he done to make it freer? There is no national ID card. It does not affect my freedom.

[sillyperson]

And what has he done to make NH freer?

Among others, there's this:

http://generalcourt.org/bills/2007/hb685
AN ACT prohibiting New Hampshire from participating in a national identification card system

I said what has he done to make it freer? There is no national ID card. It does not affect my freedom.

Fair enough.
We'll see if you feel any different after May 11.

[jimmed]

"On May 11, 2008, state driver's licenses and identification cards will not be accepted for federal purposes unless DHS determines a state is compliant with the Real ID"

I don't do anything that involves having to show ID to federal agents. I don't fly or cross borders and avoid any immigration checkpoints on interstate highways.

But that means NH's bill is going to inconvenience a lot of travelers. It's gonna be repealed this () quick when voters start bitching.

Fail.

[Laetitia]

With that May 2008 deadline, I was wondering if I should maybe renew early this year, since I'm due for the DMV photoshoot/fingerprint renewal in June. In checking the GA state government site, there is absolutely no information about any new standards going into place this year.
 

I don't know if this means the governor has already taken the permission to delay implementing compliance (until DHS shows how the information of Georgia's citizens will be protected from ID theft) or if it's just slow updates on the GA site. Although, since GA already takes a finger scan, it's possible that the licenses issued by the state are already compliant.

More research is necessary. Damn. The only thing I hate more than wasting my time in line at the DMV is wasting my time thinking about the time I'll be wasting in line at the DMV.