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Given Ron Paul's evident failure to win the Republican nomination, are you disillusioned with political methods, and/or do you advocate anti-political solutions such as "Shrugging", dropping out, or agorism and underground economics?

I believe politics and antipolitical methods are both viable.
- 16 (64%)
I believe politics is viable, and antipolitics is not.
- 1 (4%)
I believe antipolitics is viable, and politics is not.
- 5 (20%)
Other
- 3 (12%)

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Politics vs Antipolitics
« on: February 13, 2008, 07:36:17 PM »

Ron Paul's Revolution is dead. We all know it. To most people, it's the most painfully obvious sign possible that libertarianism has no hope in politics. The best that Libertarian politics had to offer wasn't even a serious contender. To others, it's merely a sign that we should work at a more local level.

IMO we should start at the most local level: The individual. Free yourself. Get those around you to free themselves. I think working at more and more local levels of government will result in failure in the significant races and no results in the winnable races, ultimately a long, time-consuming process that'll eventually lead right back to freeing yourself and helping those around you to do the same. Collectivism is no means to individualism. This is the fatal flaw of Libertarian politics.

But that's just my analysis. Share yours if you like.

(In before MobileDigit tells me I'm wrong.)
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 07:38:00 PM »

I believe politics and antipolitical methods are both viable.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 07:38:22 PM »

Will antipolitics power a warp core?
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 08:01:07 PM »

Will antipolitics power a warp core?
It'll build the warp core, power it, and write the operating manual.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 09:07:42 PM »

I am working on the problems of Agorist theory, and how Ukagnostism and convincing people on a one on one basis is superior and achievable.

http://AdvanceTheArgument.com/ - Always being updated.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 09:24:31 PM »

I am working on the problems of Agorist theory, and how Ukagnostism and convincing people on a one on one basis is superior and achievable.

http://AdvanceTheArgument.com/ - Always being updated.
What in the universe makes you think agorism excludes convincing people on a one-on-one basis?
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 09:25:51 PM »

Watch the language, people.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 09:27:15 PM »

Watch the language, people.
So you'll stop calling me dolphin fucker?
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 09:29:57 PM »

It was a mistake to believe a libertarian could make it into the white house without any other societal/political change to make it come about.

It seems far more logical for libertarians to concentrate on making a single state more free and then concentrating on a secessionist movement

If you think Ron Paul was the only hope for liberty in your lifetime then give up if you want. Although I think you are grossly over estimating how likely an RP presidency was, and grossly under valuing other avenues to bring about liberty.  Ron Pauls best success has always been brining new people into the liberty movement, although i don't know how effective that has been if it turns out most RP supporters just get burnt out and drop out of any form of liberty activism whatsoever. I've heard quite a few former RP supporters claim they think achieving anything towards freedom is impossible now, so we should just "wait" for government to run its course. This seems like a totally destructive attitude for anyone who cares about liberty to have.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 09:34:10 PM »

Watch the language, people.
So you'll stop calling me dolphin fucker?

But you ARE a dolphin fucker.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 09:47:57 PM »

Watch the language, people.
So you'll stop calling me dolphin fucker?

But you ARE a dolphin fucker.

He never said he actually fucked any dolphins. Yet.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 09:48:58 PM »

Watch the language, people.
So you'll stop calling me dolphin fucker?

Maybe.

You know I'm just messing with you when I say that, right?
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 09:56:52 PM »

Yeah, I know you're messing with me.

And no, I haven't confessed to having sex with dolphins yet.
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 10:00:38 PM »

And no, I haven't confessed to having sex with dolphins yet.

Hmm...
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Re: Politics vs Antipolitics
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 08:46:17 AM »

And no, I haven't confessed to having sex with dolphins yet.

Okay, well keep us updated on that.
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