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Would you support a US invasion of Pakistan if you knew (somehow) it would lead to Osama's capture?

Yes, he's the reason we went to the Middle East
- 1 (3.1%)
Yes, take over the whole Middle East - invade 'em all
- 2 (6.3%)
No, military occupation is the wrong choice made for any reason
- 19 (59.4%)
No, Osama bin Laden is just old news - who cares?
- 10 (31.3%)

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EricG

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Osama bin Laden - Dead or Captured
« on: September 13, 2007, 02:47:18 PM »

This is slightly referring the comments made by Barack Obama on the issue of Pakistan but mainly I'm interested to know if there are certain circumstances in which a Libertarian choses to ignore their own N.A.P. and back a solution involving the use of force.
Also I want to point out that massive military operations are not how you catch guys running around in caves and hiding under bushes. You catch them by running around in caves are looking under bushes.
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 02:52:26 PM »

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Also I want to point out that massive military operations are not how you catch guys running around in caves and hiding under bushes. You catch them by running around in caves are looking under bushes.

This.

So technically yes I would support an "Invasion", of course Pakistan is America's bitch so if they actually had control of the territory were Osama was hiding they would probably hand him over. They don't. So it probably doesn't even qualify as an invasion.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 02:56:50 PM »

Absolutely not. We need to do what we should have done in the first place - put a bounty on the heads of all of Al Qaida's leaders, including Osama bin Laden. $50,000,000 per head. It would have cost less than invading Afghanistan and would have been resolved in a matter of months, maybe weeks.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 02:57:44 PM »

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Also I want to point out that massive military operations are not how you catch guys running around in caves and hiding under bushes. You catch them by running around in caves are looking under bushes.

This.

So technically yes I would support an "Invasion", of course Pakistan is America's bitch so if they actually had control of the territory were Osama was hiding they would probably hand him over. They don't. So it probably doesn't even qualify as an invasion.
oh i know, who knows where the heck that guy is? He's probably not in Pakistan, it's true. But if we knew we had to invade 'fill-in-the-blank' country to get him is more what I'm going for here. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 06:13:46 PM »

Letters of marque and reprisal.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 12:35:18 AM »

Letters of marque and reprisal.

This.  But he's dead, so we don't even need to do this.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 11:30:16 AM »

I met bin Laden at the Crossroads.
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Bill Brasky

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 08:52:37 PM »

Yeah, the bounty woulda done it.  Cost is no option when we've spent a half a trillion bucks or whatever it is.

The furthest I'm willing to comprimise the "invasion" is a commando team doing a snuff job, but not a whole invasion.  It shouldn't take 150,000 soldiers to put some guy in the dirt.  Ten, fifteen, and you drop packages to 'em as they need it.  Have choppers ready to extract.  150,000 is ridiculous. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 04:48:19 PM »

Yeah, the bounty woulda done it.  Cost is no option when we've spent a half a trillion bucks or whatever it is.

The furthest I'm willing to comprimise the "invasion" is a commando team doing a snuff job, but not a whole invasion.  It shouldn't take 150,000 soldiers to put some guy in the dirt.  Ten, fifteen, and you drop packages to 'em as they need it.  Have choppers ready to extract.  150,000 is ridiculous. 

I agree completely with your definition of invasion in terms of what our military would be better used for if we had to use them.  Though what often happens here is whatever country we are in (Afghanistan) has an incentive to take care of the problem themselves so the 150 thousand Americans roaming around their country will go away. Basically scare other countries to do what we want them to is the tactic used by the US in these "dispose of a terrorist leader" situations (as I understand it anyway.)
I would argue that had we used this tactic with Afghanistan and its leaders, and poured the resources we have into Iraq towards that endeavor we would have Osama in lock down.
The bounty issue is a good talking point but how realistic is that? If you made the bounty let's say One Trillion then every one who ever heard someone talk about meeting Osama would be on the hunt and chances are the ensuing chaos would be horrific. If you make it too low then no right minded individuals would go try to track him down at all, only the self-taught maniacs would be on the job. Who sets what exactly a bounty for fundung terrorism would be? For every dollar he invested in helping killers or every minute he spent training / teaching them?
The point here is that bounties work better when single people are victims but when a society is the victim there must be a practice in the Code of Law even if it is a military action. I believe we did the wrong military action when we invaded Iraq and had the existing war in Afghanistan been properly analyzed and funded by the Bush Administration we would currently have at the very least a report of his death regarding Bin Laden.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 12:19:50 PM »

of course Pakistan is America's bitch so if they actually had control of the territory were Osama was hiding they would probably hand him over. They don't. So it probably doesn't even qualify as an invasion.

Actually it is America that is Pakistan's bitch. You got it backwards. Right before the voting of Congress for future funding for Pakistan takes place, Pakistan suddenly comes up with a "high valued" target and hand them over to the U.S., it is a game to them. Pakistan has bin Laden and is just waiting to use that hole card at the right time.
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